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Message no. 1
From: Joshua Bell <joshbell@**********.COM>
Subject: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:42:19 -0400
Josh here... I was wondering?

Nadja Daviar.. The new Vice president of UCAS basically owns everything
that Dunklunzan had, minus a few trinkets in his will...

So how rich is she? Is she the richest <meta>person in the world at this
time (Not counting dragons)?

I mean the dragon must have had Trillions of nuyen....

-Josh
Message no. 2
From: Randy Nickel <RANNIC@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:09:33 -0700
<<Josh here... I was wondering?

Nadja Daviar.. The new Vice president of UCAS basically owns
everything
that Dunklunzan had, minus a few trinkets in his will...

So how rich is she? Is she the richest <meta>person in the
world at this
time (Not counting dragons)?

I mean the dragon must have had Trillions of nuyen....>>

I believe she is the Executor of the Big D's estate. Which is
not the same thing as owning everything. If she takes anything out of
the estate that is not specifically owned by her she has to have a very
good reason.

However, I am quite sure that she has more nuyen then she knows
what to do with, I think her true power and respect comes from her being
the CEO of the Draco Foundation. Let's not forget that she is also the
VP of the UCAS.

Since we are discussing her Highness though.....does anyone
think she might be another of the Immortal Elves? There are already a
couple of them on the Board.

- Eclipse

"They shall all drown in lakes of blood. Now they shall know why
they are afraid of the dark. Now learn why they fear the night."
Message no. 3
From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:19:01 -0400
Randy Nickel wrote:
> <<Josh here... I was wondering?
>
> Nadja Daviar.. The new Vice president of UCAS basically owns
>everything
> that Dunklunzan had, minus a few trinkets in his will...
[snip]
> However, I am quite sure that she has more nuyen then she knows
>what to do with, I think her true power and respect comes from her being
>the CEO of the Draco Foundation. Let's not forget that she is also the
>VP of the UCAS.
>
> Since we are discussing her Highness though.....does anyone
>think she might be another of the Immortal Elves? There are already a
>couple of them on the Board.

In short: No, I don't. If you want more info, read the DragonHeart
trilogy...

James Ojaste
Message no. 4
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:55:59 EDT
In a message dated 98-06-18 15:36:02 EDT, you write:

<< I believe she is the Executor of the Big D's estate. Which is
not the same thing as owning everything. If she takes anything out of
the estate that is not specifically owned by her she has to have a very
good reason.>>

Yes, but I think the Big D's first bequest was to give her everything he
didn't give someone else.

<<However, I am quite sure that she has more nuyen then she knows
what to do with, I think her true power and respect comes from her being
the CEO of the Draco Foundation. Let's not forget that she is also the
VP of the UCAS. >>

Yes, and I'm certain she gets so much respect for being VP of the UCAS. Why,
I bet if you only consider those laurels, whe gets at least as much respect
as... Dan Quayle did.

Nexx
Message no. 5
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:36:52 EDT
In a message dated 6/18/98 2:05:57 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
RANNIC@****.COM writes:

> Since we are discussing her Highness though.....does anyone
> think she might be another of the Immortal Elves? There are already a
> couple of them on the Board.
>
Nope, but -what- she is has not been exposed. there is a mentioning of a
picture in the last book of the trilogy (recent one) that talks of two little
dragons being talked to by a big dragon....in the end of the book, Ryan
becomes "more than elven", and I have a feeling that Nadja is as well...

AND BOY DOES THAT JUST IRK ME!!!

-K (sorry, it's something that just rubbed me *at least* as raw as the topic
of IE's does other folks)
Message no. 6
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:57:43 EDT
In a message dated 6/18/98 6:42:23 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
joshbell@**********.COM writes:

> Josh here... I was wondering?
>
> Nadja Daviar.. The new Vice president of UCAS basically owns everything
> that Dunklunzan had, minus a few trinkets in his will...

Hey, brains, BEAUTY, and money .. what a wonderful combination .. pity she is
already spoken for ...

> So how rich is she? Is she the richest <meta>person in the world at this
> time (Not counting dragons)?

How about a multi-billionaire ...

> I mean the dragon must have had Trillions of nuyen....

Yeah, but a lot of his cred and other things were handed over to the UCAS
government courtesy of the IRS.

-Mike
Message no. 7
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:10:45 EDT
In a message dated 6/18/98 7:35:46 PM !!!First Boot!!!, RANNIC@****.COM
writes:

> Since we are discussing her Highness though.....does anyone
> think she might be another of the Immortal Elves? There are already a
> couple of them on the Board.

She is an immortal elf only because of one thing ... she is the voice of
Dunkhelzahn, and since he was unable to revoke the power contained within her,
she is then still an immortal ... as we consider them to be ... (this could be
considered a House Rule of sorts) ... just something to make Voices different
from normal public representatives ...

-Mike
Message no. 8
From: Randy Nickel <RANNIC@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:09:07 -0700
<<-K (sorry, it's something that just rubbed me *at least* as
raw as the topic of IE's does other folks)>>

Sorry, I know that it is not popular opinion but I happen to
like the immortal elf stuff and have allowed one of my players to be
born as one.

Now before I get slammed he does not do anything neat or spiffy.
He does nothing out of the norm and it is just concept and roleplaying.
His dad is immortal (no, it is not Ehran or the big H) so it made sense.
The character does not know it and it provides some good plot stuff in
my campaign. Which involves more then just making runs against corps,
mobs, and bodyguarding high profile types.

- Eclipse
Message no. 9
From: Randy Nickel <RANNIC@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:40:02 -0700
<<She is an immortal elf only because of one thing ... she is
the voice of
> Dunkhelzahn, and since he was unable to revoke the power contained
> within her, she is then still an immortal ... as we consider them to
> be ... (this could be considered a House Rule of sorts) ... just
> something to make Voices different from normal public representatives
> ...
>
> -Mike>>
>
Okay, I'm confused. Maybe I need to read the DragonHeart Trilogy
to get this but how could Dunkhelzahn have taken away the fact that
Nadja is immortal? Which I am told that she is not.

Though I do like the thought of her being one of the new
immortal elves. i.e. just born this century.

- Eclipse
Message no. 10
From: Randy Nickel <RANNIC@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:36:30 -0700
> ----------
> From: Mike Bobroff[SMTP:Airwasp@***.COM]
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 1998 7:10 AM
> To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
> Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
>
> In a message dated 6/18/98 7:35:46 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
> RANNIC@****.COM
> writes:
>
> > Since we are discussing her Highness though.....does anyone
> > think she might be another of the Immortal Elves? There are already
> a
> > couple of them on the Board.
>
> She is an immortal elf only because of one thing ... she is the voice
> of
> Dunkhelzahn, and since he was unable to revoke the power contained
> within her,
> she is then still an immortal ... as we consider them to be ... (this
> could be
> considered a House Rule of sorts) ... just something to make Voices
> different
> from normal public representatives ...
>
> -Mike
>
Message no. 11
From: Wraith <wraith@************.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:15:51 -0500
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Nickel <RANNIC@****.COM>


> <<She is an immortal elf only because of one thing ... she is
>the voice of
>> Dunkhelzahn, and since he was unable to revoke the power contained
>> within her, she is then still an immortal ... as we consider them to
>> be ... (this could be considered a House Rule of sorts) ... just
>> something to make Voices different from normal public representatives
>> ...
>>
>> -Mike>>
>>
> Okay, I'm confused. Maybe I need to read the DragonHeart Trilogy
>to get this but how could Dunkhelzahn have taken away the fact that
>Nadja is immortal? Which I am told that she is not.
>
> Though I do like the thought of her being one of the new
>immortal elves. i.e. just born this century.


First, definitely read the DragonHeart Trilogy. Explains why you don't want
to make a pass at her :) Second, I think Mike was saying that when
Dunkhelzahn made her his "Voice" that's what made her Immortal. the fact
that he never had a chance to revoke that, means she is STILL immortal. I
think that's what he's trying to say.

Wraith
Message no. 12
From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:21:56 -0400
Wraith wrote:
>> <<She is an immortal elf only because of one thing ... she is
>>the voice of
>>> Dunkhelzahn, and since he was unable to revoke the power contained
>>> within her, she is then still an immortal ... as we consider them to
>>> be ... (this could be considered a House Rule of sorts) ... just
>>> something to make Voices different from normal public representatives
>
>First, definitely read the DragonHeart Trilogy. Explains why you don't want
>to make a pass at her :) Second, I think Mike was saying that when
>Dunkhelzahn made her his "Voice" that's what made her Immortal. the fact
>that he never had a chance to revoke that, means she is STILL immortal. I
>think that's what he's trying to say.

I'd just like to point out that nowhere does it say that D making N his
voice would make her immortal - it's a House Deviancy.

Really, read the Dragonheart Trilogy. She's not an Immortal Elf in the
sense that it's meant - it's not clear how old she actually is (and
whether that would qualify her for "immortality" - it could be
interpreted several ways based on the info in the books - on purpose,
I'm sure).

James Ojaste
Message no. 13
From: Randy Nickel <RANNIC@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:35:24 -0700
<<Really, read the Dragonheart Trilogy. She's not an Immortal
Elf in the
> sense that it's meant - it's not clear how old she actually is (and
> whether that would qualify her for "immortality" - it could be
> interpreted several ways based on the info in the books - on purpose,
> I'm sure).
>
> James Ojaste>>
>
Okay, I am intrigued enough that I will read the series.

I suppose it is something that qualifies as a "FASA secret".

- Eclipse
Message no. 14
From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:55:42 -0400
On 19 Jun 98, at 13:15, Wraith wrote:

> First, definitely read the DragonHeart Trilogy. Explains why you don't
> want to make a pass at her :) Second, I think Mike was saying that when
> Dunkhelzahn made her his "Voice" that's what made her Immortal. the fact
> that he never had a chance to revoke that, means she is STILL >
immortal.

I didn't get the impression that she was immortal. Look at the way
Harley and Frosty treated her. It certainly wasn't as a peer.

--

=================================================================
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-----------------------------------------------------------------
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Message no. 15
From: Philippe Garneau <pgarneau@****.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:19:43 -0400
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
À : SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
Date : 19 juin, 1998 14:56
Objet : Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?


>On 19 Jun 98, at 13:15, Wraith wrote:
>
>> First, definitely read the DragonHeart Trilogy. Explains why you don't
>> want to make a pass at her :) Second, I think Mike was saying that when
>> Dunkhelzahn made her his "Voice" that's what made her Immortal. the
fact
>> that he never had a chance to revoke that, means she is STILL >
>immortal.
>
>I didn't get the impression that she was immortal. Look at the way
>Harley and Frosty treated her. It certainly wasn't as a peer.
>
Maybe they did'nt check her aura...
Message no. 16
From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:21:04 -0400
Drekhead wrote:
>> First, definitely read the DragonHeart Trilogy. Explains why you don't
>> want to make a pass at her :) Second, I think Mike was saying that when
>> Dunkhelzahn made her his "Voice" that's what made her Immortal. the
fact
>> that he never had a chance to revoke that, means she is STILL >
>immortal.
>
>I didn't get the impression that she was immortal. Look at the way
>Harley and Frosty treated her. It certainly wasn't as a peer.

Well, if she's immortal, only the Dragons would know - H didn't know
much about what was going on, really. Nadja definitely does not believe
that she's immortal, but that really doesn't matter.

James Ojaste
Message no. 17
From: Philippe Garneau <pgarneau@****.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:23:00 -0400
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Randy Nickel <RANNIC@****.COM>
À : SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
Date : 19 juin, 1998 13:37
Objet : Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?


>> ----------
>> From: Mike Bobroff[SMTP:Airwasp@***.COM]
>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 1998 7:10 AM
>> To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
>> Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
>>
>> In a message dated 6/18/98 7:35:46 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
>> RANNIC@****.COM
>> writes:
>>
>> > Since we are discussing her Highness though.....does anyone
>> > think she might be another of the Immortal Elves? There are already
>> a
>> > couple of them on the Board.
>>
>> She is an immortal elf only because of one thing ... she is the voice
>> of
>> Dunkhelzahn, and since he was unable to revoke the power contained
>> within her,
>> she is then still an immortal ... as we consider them to be ... (this
>> could be
>> considered a House Rule of sorts) ... just something to make Voices
>> different
>> from normal public representatives ...
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>

well, maybe she is immortal, though it's not very useful to know...

When Dunkie said Ryan and Daviar were special, that they had a weird sort of
luck, I was under the impression that they were lucky in much of the same
way, the same way we discovers Ryan to be at the end of the triloogy
Message no. 18
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:40:35 -0500
On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:55:42 -0400 Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET> writes:
>On 19 Jun 98, at 13:15, Wraith wrote:
>> First, definitely read the DragonHeart Trilogy. Explains why you
don't
>> want to make a pass at her :) Second, I think Mike was saying that
when
>> Dunkhelzahn made her his "Voice" that's what made her Immortal. the
fact
>> that he never had a chance to revoke that, means she is STILL
immortal.

>I didn't get the impression that she was immortal. Look at the way
>Harley and Frosty treated her. It certainly wasn't as a peer.
>
>--
>
>=================================================================
> - Tim Kerby -
<SNIP>

Well, Frosty doesn't know she's an IE, and Harly could 've looked down at
her as "Born IE" vrs a "created IE" sort of thing (like new versus old
money) but more likely, It's just attitude, IMO ...

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
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Message no. 19
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:15:23 -0500
On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:10:45 EDT Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM> writes:
>In a message dated 6/18/98 7:35:46 PM !!!First Boot!!!, RANNIC@****.COM
>writes:
>> Since we are discussing her Highness though.....does anyone
>> think she might be another of the Immortal Elves? There are already a
>> couple of them on the Board.

>She is an immortal elf only because of one thing ... she is the voice of
>Dunkhelzahn, and since he was unable to revoke the power contained
within her,
>she is then still an immortal ... as we consider them to be ... (this
could be
>considered a House Rule of sorts) ... just something to make Voices
different
>from normal public representatives ...
>
>-Mike

I think by her being Dunk's "voice" it just that since Dunk in dragon
form spoke telepathically, she just spoke on his behalf, saying what he
told her to say ...

*Activates Herring (red of course) anti-carp defense system*
Hmmmm ... speaking of creating Immortals ... what about a way for a
character (PC and/or NPC depending on how you run your game) to become
immortal? That way you can stop pestering your characters with Immortal
Elves (damn IEs) and start pestering them with Immortal Trolls (Damn ITs)
... I was thinking of something like a ritual that can only be performed
by a Grade 10 or 20 Initiate (On him/herself or someone else ...) ...
Just a random thought ... :)

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
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Message no. 20
From: Randy Nickel <RANNIC@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:59:36 -0700
<<Well, Frosty doesn't know she's an IE, and Harly could 've
looked down at her as "Born IE" vrs a "created IE" sort of thing (like
new versus old money) but more likely, It's just attitude, IMO ...>>

Huh, how could Frosty not know by now? I mean surely Harly must
have told her by now?!? Is this something else that is in the novels?

I mean, even when they are in Harly's Back I was pretty sure
that she knew. I could be wrong though.

- Eclipse
Message no. 21
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:42:24 -0500
On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:59:36 -0700 Randy Nickel <RANNIC@****.COM> writes:
> <<Well, Frosty doesn't know she's an IE, and Harly could 've
>looked down at her as "Born IE" vrs a "created IE" sort of thing
(like
>new versus old money) but more likely, It's just attitude, IMO ...>>
>
> Huh, how could Frosty not know by now? I mean surely Harly must
>have told her by now?!? Is this something else that is in the novels?
>
> I mean, even when they are in Harly's Back I was pretty sure
>that she knew. I could be wrong though.
>
> - Eclipse

pg 148 Harley's Back "She carries her father's immortality trait, though
Harlequin has not yet told her this."

D.Ghost
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Message no. 22
From: Randy Nickel <RANNIC@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:08:37 -0700
<<pg 148 Harley's Back "She carries her father's immortality
trait, though Harlequin has not yet told her this.">>

Okay, so I missed that......

- Eclipse
(AKA Randy Nickel, Otter, Warloc, and Orion)
Message no. 23
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 03:07:33 EDT
In a message dated 6/19/98 12:05:31 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
RANNIC@****.COM writes:

> <<-K (sorry, it's something that just rubbed me *at least* as
> raw as the topic of IE's does other folks)>>
>
> Sorry, I know that it is not popular opinion but I happen to
> like the immortal elf stuff and have allowed one of my players to be
> born as one.
>
> Now before I get slammed he does not do anything neat or spiffy.
> He does nothing out of the norm and it is just concept and roleplaying.
> His dad is immortal (no, it is not Ehran or the big H) so it made sense.
> The character does not know it and it provides some good plot stuff in
> my campaign. Which involves more then just making runs against corps,
> mobs, and bodyguarding high profile types.

Hey, that is not problem. My reasons for my distaste of the "Nadja and Ryan"
thing have nothing to do with game power. We have a guy who is "Immortal" as
well, using the generic rules much like those for Frost in Harlequin's Back.
He -does- have a higher than normal essence, BUT he has no cyberware, and he
trying his best to stay completely away from it.

In short, I do not mind the Immortal Elves thing either, nope, I just mind it
when the game creators leave themselves ways of saying "Nope, you are never
gonna be able to do that and no you can't use them as an example, because they
aren't possible as "Player Characters" for a species..."

-K
Message no. 24
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 03:12:25 EDT
In a message dated 6/19/98 12:36:21 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
RANNIC@****.COM writes:

> Okay, I'm confused. Maybe I need to read the DragonHeart Trilogy
> to get this but how could Dunkhelzahn have taken away the fact that
> Nadja is immortal? Which I am told that she is not.
>
> Though I do like the thought of her being one of the new
> immortal elves. i.e. just born this century.
>
Nadja could be either one, but she's not. She's Immortal (IMO) because of her
latent, powerful, nature. Yes, she was the "Voice" of Dunkelzahn, a position
in the home games here that is like being an "Ally Spirit" of sorts for the
dracoform in question.

Damn, I had forgotten about Lofwyr's annoying habit of "multiple voices" in
our home games...

-K (who is rethinking a plot)
Message no. 25
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 03:15:22 EDT
In a message dated 6/19/98 1:56:16 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
drekhead@***.NET writes:

> > First, definitely read the DragonHeart Trilogy. Explains why you don't
> > want to make a pass at her :) Second, I think Mike was saying that when
> > Dunkhelzahn made her his "Voice" that's what made her Immortal. the
fact
> > that he never had a chance to revoke that, means she is STILL >
> immortal.
>
> I didn't get the impression that she was immortal. Look at the way
> Harley and Frosty treated her. It certainly wasn't as a peer.
>
I think that is because Harley is Harley and Frosty is just -there- sometimes.
Harley is also an IE, and has a certain degree of mistrust of Dracoforms (like
they have no basis for this of course ;p

-K
Message no. 26
From: NightRain <nightrain@***.BRISNET.ORG.AU>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:07:25 +1000
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shadowrun Discussion [mailto:SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET]On
> Behalf Of K is the Symbol
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 1998 12:37 PM
>
>
> Nope, but -what- she is has not been exposed. there is a mentioning of a
> picture in the last book of the trilogy (recent one) that talks
> of two little
> dragons being talked to by a big dragon....in the end of the book, Ryan
> becomes "more than elven", and I have a feeling that Nadja is as well...

Ryan was human though, and Nadja is Elven.

NightRain.

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Message no. 27
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 08:56:00 EDT
In a message dated 6/19/98 5:36:22 PM !!!First Boot!!!, RANNIC@****.COM
writes:

> <<She is an immortal elf only because of one thing ... she is
> the voice of
> > Dunkhelzahn, and since he was unable to revoke the power contained
> > within her, she is then still an immortal ... as we consider them to
> > be ... (this could be considered a House Rule of sorts) ... just
> > something to make Voices different from normal public representatives
> > ...
> >
> > -Mike>>
> >
> Okay, I'm confused. Maybe I need to read the DragonHeart Trilogy
> to get this but how could Dunkhelzahn have taken away the fact that
> Nadja is immortal? Which I am told that she is not.

Nadja in the books or elsewhere is not mentioned as an immortal, we did it
here to make it seem that being a voice had some side benefits though ...

> Though I do like the thought of her being one of the new
> immortal elves. i.e. just born this century.
>
Yeah ... she'd be considered nouveau riche by all of the older IE's ...

-Mike
Message no. 28
From: Randy Nickel <DeSynn@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:06:15 EDT
In a message dated 98-06-20 03:08:57 EDT, Ereskanti@***.COM writes:

<< In short, I do not mind the Immortal Elves thing either, nope, I just mind
it
when the game creators leave themselves ways of saying "Nope, you are never
gonna be able to do that and no you can't use them as an example, because
they
aren't possible as "Player Characters" for a species...">>

Yea, I agree. I think it should be left up to the GM as to whether or not they
wish to allow that.

I have considered writing rules for a game that would allow players to choose
to be either Immortal Elves, Dragons, Free Spirits, etc.

This would obviously not be Shadowrun game, but would be a totally different
style of game. It would take me too long to go into and I sure that some
people would call it munchkining.

- Eclipse
(AKA Randy Nickel, Otter, Warloc, and Orion)
Message no. 29
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:53:48 EDT
In a message dated 20/06/98 02:16:34 Central Daylight Time, Ereskanti@***.COM
writes:

> I think that is because Harley is Harley and Frosty is just -there-
sometimes.
>
> Harley is also an IE, and has a certain degree of mistrust of Dracoforms (
> like
> they have no basis for this of course ;p

Someone tell me if I'm completely off my rocker on this, but isn't the only
reason that IE's are so powerful because they lived through a couple of ages,
not because of any inborn powers (other than to live really, really long and
perform magic)?

Nexx
Message no. 30
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:53:42 EDT
In a message dated 6/20/98 6:05:41 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
nightrain@***.BRISNET.ORG.AU writes:

> Ryan was human though, and Nadja is Elven.
>
The key word there is -WAS- human...

-K
Message no. 31
From: BigDaddy <bigdaddy@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 01:12:51 -0400
K is the Symbol wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/20/98 6:05:41 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> nightrain@***.BRISNET.ORG.AU writes:
>
> > Ryan was human though, and Nadja is Elven.
> >
> The key word there is -WAS- human...
>
> -K
what is he now?
--
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Message no. 32
From: Wraith <wraith@************.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:16:07 -0500
-----Original Message-----
From: BigDaddy <bigdaddy@*****.COM>
>K is the Symbol wrote:
>>
>> In a message dated 6/20/98 6:05:41 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
>> nightrain@***.BRISNET.ORG.AU writes:
>>
>> > Ryan was human though, and Nadja is Elven.
>> >
>> The key word there is -WAS- human...
>>
>> -K
>what is he now?
>--


Read the book :) Seriously, beyond closing a segment of Shadowrun history,
they are also very good books (All 3 of them). I would suggest reading them
even if they weren't kinda important to the timeline/direction of Shadowrun.

Wraith
Message no. 33
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 01:19:03 EDT
In a message dated 6/20/98 8:55:16 PM US Eastern Standard Time, Nexx3@***.COM
writes:

> Someone tell me if I'm completely off my rocker on this, but isn't the only
> reason that IE's are so powerful because they lived through a couple of
ages,
>
> not because of any inborn powers (other than to live really, really long
and
> perform magic)?
>
>
Mostly you are correct Nexx, that when combined with their probably (but NOT a
guaranteed) accumulated wealth, would make them a force.

But they are still a killable one. We treat the IE's sort of like "the
Immortals" from the Highlander Series. Sure, they are tough, and many are
richer than the darkest, thickest, brownie, but they can be killed. It just
takes more.

Hell, I think the funniest thing I have done in ages was the "Immortal Storm"
that someone found in an Ancient Text. They uttered the spell, and the next
thing everyone knew, a whole bunch of "famous" or "mysterious" people
started
trying to bump each other off all over the globe.

Yep, had a blast with that one.

-K
Message no. 34
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 01:25:16 -0400
At 01:12 AM 6/21/98 -0400, BigDaddy wrote these timeless words:
>K is the Symbol wrote:
>>
>> In a message dated 6/20/98 6:05:41 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
>> nightrain@***.BRISNET.ORG.AU writes:
>>
>> > Ryan was human though, and Nadja is Elven.
>> >
>> The key word there is -WAS- human...
>>
Of course, seeing as what he turned out to be, it can always be debated
wehther or not he was ever human to begin with... :]

>
>what is he now?
>
Ahhhh, for that, BigDaddy-san, you will need to read Jak Koke's Dragonheart
Trilogy :]

Trust me, it's good :]

Bull
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Message no. 35
From: BigDaddy <bigdaddy@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 01:24:32 -0400
>
> Read the book :) Seriously, beyond closing a segment of Shadowrun history,
> they are also very good books (All 3 of them). I would suggest reading them
> even if they weren't kinda important to the timeline/direction of Shadowrun.

i must have missed something in the previous posts what books. thanks
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Message no. 36
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 01:33:34 EDT
In a message dated 6/21/98 12:12:06 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
bigdaddy@*****.COM writes:

> > > Ryan was human though, and Nadja is Elven.
> > >
> > The key word there is -WAS- human...
> >
> > -K
> what is he now?
>
Not Human, Not Elven, Not Ork, Not any player character race for that
matter...

-K
Message no. 37
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 01:36:05 EDT
In a message dated 6/21/98 12:23:01 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
bigdaddy@*****.COM writes:

> > Read the book :) Seriously, beyond closing a segment of Shadowrun
history,
> > they are also very good books (All 3 of them). I would suggest reading
> them
> > even if they weren't kinda important to the timeline/direction of
> Shadowrun.
>
> i must have missed something in the previous posts what books. thanks
>
The Dragonheart Trilogy (Stranger Souls, Clockwork Asylum, Beyond the Pale)

-K
Message no. 38
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 08:13:25 EDT
In a message dated 6/21/98 5:11:35 AM !!!First Boot!!!, bigdaddy@*****.COM
writes:

> > > Ryan was human though, and Nadja is Elven.
> > >
> > The key word there is -WAS- human...
> >
> > -K
> what is he now?

Ryan is some form of specially developed draconic humaniod ... basically
something comparable to a Gold Draconian from AD&D's Dragonlance thing ...

And since Dunkie mentioned that both Nadja and him both share something in
common (besides being engaged ?!?) is they both may be Draconians ...

Or whatever the race was called in the Dragonheart series ...

-Mike
Message no. 39
From: wafflemiester <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:41:07 -0500
>
> Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she? (Nexx Many-Scars , Sat 20:53)

> Someone tell me if I'm completely off my rocker on this, but isn't the only
> reason that IE's are so powerful because they lived through a couple of ages,
> not because of any inborn powers (other than to live really, really long and
> perform magic)?

I think they may be rather like shape-shifters, in that thier essence
(hence possibly magic) is higher than normal for thier type. I could be
wrong. They may also be likey benificiers of the lightbearer "greater
incarnation" power, where by the life enregy and power of a dying
lightbearer may be given to another. But in general, I believe you are
correct, a norm who lived an equally long and healthy life would be as
"powerful", given the same training, etc. That's with the exception of
"dragon magic", which may not be usable by metahumans.

-Mongoose
Message no. 40
From: Damion Milliken <milko@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 06:22:27 +1000
Mike Bobroff writes:

> Ryan is some form of specially developed draconic humaniod ... basically
> something comparable to a Gold Draconian from AD&D's Dragonlance thing ...
>
> And since Dunkie mentioned that both Nadja and him both share something in
> common (besides being engaged ?!?) is they both may be Draconians ...
>
> Or whatever the race was called in the Dragonheart series ...

Drake. I am assuming that this type of Drake is different from the types in
the Pattersons' guides.

--
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Unofficial Shadowrun Guru E-mail: milko@***.edu.au
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Message no. 41
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:28:56 -0300
wafflemiester wrote:
>
> >
> > Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she? (Nexx Many-Scars , Sat 20:53)
>
> > Someone tell me if I'm completely off my rocker on this, but isn't the only
> > reason that IE's are so powerful because they lived through a couple of ages,
> > not because of any inborn powers (other than to live really, really long and
> > perform magic)?
>
> I think they may be rather like shape-shifters, in that thier essence
> (hence possibly magic) is higher than normal for thier type. I could be
> wrong. They may also be likey benificiers of the lightbearer "greater
> incarnation" power, where by the life enregy and power of a dying
> lightbearer may be given to another. But in general, I believe you are
> correct, a norm who lived an equally long and healthy life would be as
> "powerful", given the same training, etc. That's with the exception of
> "dragon magic", which may not be usable by metahumans.
>
> -Mongoose

Elves don't use dragon magic either... Or at least they shouldn't :)
.

Bira
Message no. 42
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:39:06 -0500
On Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:41:07 -0500 wafflemiester
<evamarie@**********.net> writes:
>> Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she? (Nexx Many-Scars , Sat 20:53)
>>Someone tell me if I'm completely off my rocker on this, but isn't the
only
>>reason that IE's are so powerful because they lived through a couple of
ages,
>>not because of any inborn powers (other than to live really, really
long and
>>perform magic)?

> I think they may be rather like shape-shifters, in that thier
essence
>(hence possibly magic) is higher than normal for thier type. I could be
>wrong.

Nope from Harlequin's Back, Thayla & Frosty both have 6 Essence (and no
stats are given for Harley)

>They may also be likey benificiers of the lightbearer "greater
>incarnation" power, where by the life enregy and power of a dying
>lightbearer may be given to another. But in general, I believe you are
>correct, a norm who lived an equally long and healthy life would be as
>"powerful", given the same training, etc. That's with the exception of
>"dragon magic", which may not be usable by metahumans.
>
>-Mongoose


I don't know about the ED stuff, but I think that IE's power levels come
from hanging around long enough (Frosty is new to the scene and isn't so
tough.)

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
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Message no. 43
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:22:25 -0500
On Mon, 22 Jun 1998 06:22:27 +1000 Damion Milliken <milko@***.EDU.AU>
writes:
>Mike Bobroff writes:
>> Ryan is some form of specially developed draconic humaniod ...
basically
>> something comparable to a Gold Draconian from AD&D's Dragonlance thing
...
>>
>> And since Dunkie mentioned that both Nadja and him both share
something in
>> common (besides being engaged ?!?) is they both may be Draconians ...
>>
>> Or whatever the race was called in the Dragonheart series ...

>Drake. I am assuming that this type of Drake is different from the
types in
>the Pattersons' guides.
>
>--
>Damion Milliken
<SNIP Sig>

Well, Someone (Harley?) said that Drakes were possibly even more magical
than Dragons and that magic level should have been too low for one to
"awaken" ... so, I think you're right ... I think these Drakes are
something out of ED but I'm not familiar with ED, so someone else will
have to confirm/deny it ... (Descript was like a dragon [western, IIRC]
with wings but no arms ... ) Hmmm... if FASA SBs/Novels keep making
references to new critters, perhaps FASA will put out a new critter book
... I for one would really go for a collected critter compendium with
some new and all of the old (from BBB, P/NA, P/E, CyberPirates, & T:SH)
portrayed in the Patterson's Guide format (which is why I included the
BBB) but even just the already existing critters would make for a large
SB ... even so, I'd go for it ...

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
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Message no. 44
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:47:04 EDT
In a message dated 6/21/98 3:22:59 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
milko@***.EDU.AU writes:

> > And since Dunkie mentioned that both Nadja and him both share something in
> > common (besides being engaged ?!?) is they both may be Draconians ...
> >
> > Or whatever the race was called in the Dragonheart series ...
>
> Drake. I am assuming that this type of Drake is different from the types
in
> the Pattersons' guides.
>
By what I had seen, and the sheer description of strength and size that Ryan
assumed at the near-end of the last book, MOST definitely not one of those
things in the Patterson's Guides...

-K
Message no. 45
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:15:45 EDT
In a message dated 6/21/98 8:22:59 PM !!!First Boot!!!, milko@***.EDU.AU
writes:

> > And since Dunkie mentioned that both Nadja and him both share something in
> > common (besides being engaged ?!?) is they both may be Draconians ...
> >
> > Or whatever the race was called in the Dragonheart series ...
>
> Drake. I am assuming that this type of Drake is different from the types
in
> the Pattersons' guides.

Yeah, something far more powerful than some rinky dink race Patterson was
given disinformation on yet again ...

-Mike
Message no. 46
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:17:57 EDT
In a message dated 6/21/98 8:25:42 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR writes:

> > I think they may be rather like shape-shifters, in that thier
> essence
> > (hence possibly magic) is higher than normal for thier type. I could be
> > wrong. They may also be likey benificiers of the lightbearer "greater
> > incarnation" power, where by the life enregy and power of a dying
> > lightbearer may be given to another. But in general, I believe you are
> > correct, a norm who lived an equally long and healthy life would be as
> > "powerful", given the same training, etc. That's with the exception
of
> > "dragon magic", which may not be usable by metahumans.
> >
> > -Mongoose
>
> Elves don't use dragon magic either... Or at least they shouldn't :)

Here in our home games, Draconic Magic is something Humanity fears, as most
spells which a dragon casts are done with no fatigue at all, for something
that would kill the normal mage in the world ... and woe be to anyone who is
the target of some spell a dragon takes some drain in the process of casting
it ...

-Mike (Who forsees this sort of magic being used in the games against Lofwyr)
Message no. 47
From: Randy Nickel <RANNIC@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:06:37 -0700
<<Ryan is some form of specially developed draconic humaniod ...
basically something comparable to a Gold Draconian from AD&D's
Dragonlance thing ...

> And since Dunkie mentioned that both Nadja and him both share
> something in common (besides being engaged ?!?) is they both may be
> Draconians ...
>
> Or whatever the race was called in the Dragonheart series ...
>
> -Mike>>
>
Mike, I wish that you had put spoiler on this or something. I
was very happy that no one had given it away.

- Eclipse
Message no. 48
From: "Droopy ." <mmanhardt@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:48:26 +0000
> From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
> Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
> In short, I do not mind the Immortal Elves thing either, nope, I just mind it
> when the game creators leave themselves ways of saying "Nope, you are never
> gonna be able to do that and no you can't use them as an example, because they
> aren't possible as "Player Characters" for a species..."

Well...I happen to like Mike's viewpoint on this subject...in short
that no one born in this cycle of magic has lived long enough to be
immortal yet. Kinda leaves it in the air.


--Droopy
Message no. 49
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:14:50 -0500
On Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:48:26 +0000 "Droopy ." <mmanhardt@*****.NET>
writes:
>> From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
>> Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?

>>In short, I do not mind the Immortal Elves thing either, nope, I just
mind it
>>when the game creators leave themselves ways of saying "Nope, you are
never
>>gonna be able to do that and no you can't use them as an example,
because
>>they aren't possible as "Player Characters" for a species..."

>Well...I happen to like Mike's viewpoint on this subject...in short
>that no one born in this cycle of magic has lived long enough to be
>immortal yet. Kinda leaves it in the air.
>
>
>--Droopy

Well ... Your reply makes it hard to tell whether you know everything on
the matter (no offense) If you already know this stuff, disregard :) but
I wanted to state it in case you didn't and for those who don't ... IEs
(Immortal Elves) are generally mysterious elves who have been around
since the 4th world (SR is the 6th) and are too often used as a shortcut
in explaining why things are. Now immortals born this mana cycle are a
different matter. They are generally (I think) used as supporting cast
for the Longer lived IEs (a la Frosty for Harly & Ehran). I personally
like the idea of immortal elves (as plot devices AND PCs ...) but think
they could be overworked easily.

Anybody have house rules for playing IEs? (since they get those nifty
immunities)

D.Ghost
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Message no. 50
From: wafflemiester <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:20:51 -0500
> Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she? (Damion Milliken , Sun 15:22)
>
> Mike Bobroff writes:
>
> > Ryan is some form of specially developed draconic humaniod ... basically
> > something comparable to a Gold Draconian from AD&D's Dragonlance thing ...
> >
> > And since Dunkie mentioned that both Nadja and him both share something in
> > common (besides being engaged ?!?) is they both may be Draconians ...
> >
> > Or whatever the race was called in the Dragonheart series ...
>
> Drake. I am assuming that this type of Drake is different from the types in
> the Pattersons' guides.

Very. "Drakes" from ED are bibedal "dragonettes", known to
serve the
dragons, and, IIRC, made by them somehow. No published ED material goes
into rules or much other depth on thier nature and abilities, though.

-Mongoose
Message no. 51
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:03:36 EDT
In a message dated 6/22/98 7:19:05 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
Airwasp@***.COM writes:

> -Mike (Who forsees this sort of magic being used in the games against
Lofwyr)
>
>
Yeah, and us rinky tonk people are gonna likely get caught in the crossfire...

-K (who thought the negotiations with Ehran went -well-)

(Binder---WELL!!! What is -WELL-?!?)
Message no. 52
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:10:31 -0300
Mike Bobroff wrote:
>
>
>
> Here in our home games, Draconic Magic is something Humanity fears, as most
> spells which a dragon casts are done with no fatigue at all, for something
> that would kill the normal mage in the world ... and woe be to anyone who is
> the target of some spell a dragon takes some drain in the process of casting
> it ...
>
> -Mike (Who forsees this sort of magic being used in the games against Lofwyr)


You know, that line besides your sig just remembered me of the War of
the Gods in
the beginning of the anime "Records of Lodoss War"... Judging from the
power level
you and K seem to use, I guess the comparison isn't to far off :) .
BTW, the fight against Lofwyr is gonne be fun... How much does the
ticket cost? :)

Bira
Message no. 53
From: NightRain <nightrain@***.BRISNET.ORG.AU>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:40:11 +1000
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shadowrun Discussion [mailto:SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET]On
> Behalf Of K is the Symbol
> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 1998 2:54 PM
>
>
> > Ryan was human though, and Nadja is Elven.
> >
> The key word there is -WAS- human...

Yeah, but now he is just LONG lived, not immortal.

NightRain.

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Message no. 54
From: John W Thornton <whitewolfplayer@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:01:42 -0500
On Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:10:31 -0300 "Ubiratan P. Alberton"
<ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR> writes:
>Mike Bobroff wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Here in our home games, Draconic Magic is something Humanity fears,
>as most
>> spells which a dragon casts are done with no fatigue at all, for
>something
>> that would kill the normal mage in the world ... and woe be to
>anyone who is
>> the target of some spell a dragon takes some drain in the process of
>casting
>> it ...
>>
>> -Mike (Who forsees this sort of magic being used in the games
>against Lofwyr)
>
>
> You know, that line besides your sig just remembered me of the War
>of
>the Gods in
>the beginning of the anime "Records of Lodoss War"... Judging from the
>power level
>you and K seem to use, I guess the comparison isn't to far off :) .
> BTW, the fight against Lofwyr is gonne be fun... How much does the
>ticket cost? :)
>
> Bira
>
Tickets. each costing 2 billion nuyen. Just don't get in the way or you
might be Lofwyr toe jam---------ewwwwww. Personally I'm dreading the day
when we confront Lofwyr directly. Things could get messy when his Drek
hits the fan.

John

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Message no. 55
From: roun <roun@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Nadja Daviar.. How rich is she?
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:34:40 PDT
on the subject of IE's. IMC, i tend to think of them not as anybody
special at all. elves live for a very long time anyways and i loo to the
Paths for elves for my view. so IMHO, the IE's IMC (what a mouthful!!:)
are just those elves who refuse to take the trip to the northern isles.
they are those individual elves with a string sense of will and refuse to
leave...OR...they have some (maybe more than one??) unfulfilled purpose and
that is why they are still around. as ws said before, their great power
(and usually wealth too) comes from the fact that they have been able to
better their abilities because of the amount of time they have lived.

roun aka david
roun@***.net

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