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Message no. 1
From: "Damion Milliken" <dam01@***.edu.au>
Subject: NAGNA
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 01:34:24 +1000 (EST)
Hi guys,

I'm back from holidays, where upon I visited a friend in far away Melbourne
(well, it seemed far away...). Anyway, the reason I'm telling you this is
because I saw something absolutely amazing while I was there. I saw a brand
new copy of the Neo Anarchists Guide to North America in the Nepoleons
Military Bookshop there. I'd already bought I copy secondhand at a con last
year, so I didn't pick it up. I was wondering if anyone was really wanting
it, for if so, they might be able to acquire it. Remembering that it is in
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Or at least was a week and a half ago.
Anyway, if you are one of the many persons who wants this item, I might be
able to organise acquiring it and sending it someplace, or I might be able
to find contact details for the shop itself.

Anyways, it's great to be back!

--
Damion Milliken University of Wollongong E-mail: dam01@***.edu.au

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Message no. 2
From: RAY MACEY <r.macey@*******.qut.edu.au>
Subject: Re: NAGNA
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:15:15 +1000 (EST)
On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Damion Milliken wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> I'm back from holidays, where upon I visited a friend in far away Melbourne
> (well, it seemed far away...). Anyway, the reason I'm telling you this is
> because I saw something absolutely amazing while I was there. I saw a brand
> new copy of the Neo Anarchists Guide to North America in the Nepoleons
> Military Bookshop there. I'd already bought I copy secondhand at a con last
> year, so I didn't pick it up. I was wondering if anyone was really wanting
> it, for if so, they might be able to acquire it. Remembering that it is in
> Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Or at least was a week and a half ago.
> Anyway, if you are one of the many persons who wants this item, I might be
> able to organise acquiring it and sending it someplace, or I might be able
> to find contact details for the shop itself.

What's so special about it? It's just re-released for 2nd Edition.
There's been a few of them at the Napoleans in Brisbane as well.

Ray.
Message no. 3
From: npeach@*******.brisnet.org.au (Neil Peach)
Subject: Re: NAGNA
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 15:40:42 +1000
>
>
>On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Damion Milliken wrote:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I'm back from holidays, where upon I visited a friend in far away Melbourne
>> (well, it seemed far away...). Anyway, the reason I'm telling you this is
>> because I saw something absolutely amazing while I was there. I saw a brand
>> new copy of the Neo Anarchists Guide to North America in the Nepoleons
>> Military Bookshop there. I'd already bought I copy secondhand at a con last
>> year, so I didn't pick it up. I was wondering if anyone was really wanting
>> it, for if so, they might be able to acquire it. Remembering that it is in
>> Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Or at least was a week and a half ago.
>> Anyway, if you are one of the many persons who wants this item, I might be
>> able to organise acquiring it and sending it someplace, or I might be able
>> to find contact details for the shop itself.
>
> What's so special about it? It's just re-released for 2nd Edition.
>There's been a few of them at the Napoleans in Brisbane as well.
>
> Ray.
>
>I'm in Brisbane,
what is this Neo Anarchists book anyway

Tristan
Message no. 4
From: RAY MACEY <r.macey@*******.qut.edu.au>
Subject: Re: NAGNA
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 15:43:51 +1000 (EST)
On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, RAY MACEY wrote:

> What's so special about it? It's just re-released for 2nd Edition.
> There's been a few of them at the Napoleans in Brisbane as well.
>
> Ray.
>

Errr, Sorry guys,
I thought you were talking about the Neo-A's Guide to Real Life
2nd ed.

Ray.
Message no. 5
From: RAY MACEY <r.macey@*******.qut.edu.au>
Subject: Re: NAGNA
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 15:47:22 +1000 (EST)
On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Neil Peach wrote:


> > What's so special about it? It's just re-released for 2nd Edition.
> >There's been a few of them at the Napoleans in Brisbane as well.
> >
> > Ray.
> >
> I'm in Brisbane,
> what is this Neo Anarchists book anyway
>
> Tristan

It's the Neo-Anarchist's Guide to North america which is a sourcebook on
a few cities and things around North America. Mostly out of date now
anyway, especially with bug city and the like.

By the way, I have a copy of it. How much are people willing to spend
to get their hands on it?

Ray.
Message no. 6
From: npeach@*******.brisnet.org.au (Neil Peach)
Subject: Re: NAGNA
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 15:56:55 +1000
>>
>>
>>On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Damion Milliken wrote:
>>
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> I'm back from holidays, where upon I visited a friend in far away Melbourne
>>> (well, it seemed far away...). Anyway, the reason I'm telling you this is
>>> because I saw something absolutely amazing while I was there. I saw a brand
>>> new copy of the Neo Anarchists Guide to North America in the Nepoleons
>>> Military Bookshop there. I'd already bought I copy secondhand at a con last
>>> year, so I didn't pick it up. I was wondering if anyone was really wanting
>>> it, for if so, they might be able to acquire it. Remembering that it is in
>>> Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Or at least was a week and a half ago.
>>> Anyway, if you are one of the many persons who wants this item, I might be
>>> able to organise acquiring it and sending it someplace, or I might be able
>>> to find contact details for the shop itself.
>>
>> What's so special about it? It's just re-released for 2nd Edition.
>>There's been a few of them at the Napoleans in Brisbane as well.
>>
>> Ray.
>>
>>I'm in Brisbane,
>what is this Neo Anarchists book anyway
>
>Tristan
>
>What?
>
Message no. 7
From: RAY MACEY <r.macey@*******.qut.edu.au>
Subject: Re: NAGNA
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 15:55:34 +1000 (EST)
On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, RAY MACEY wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Neil Peach wrote:
>
>
> > > What's so special about it? It's just re-released for 2nd Edition.
> > >There's been a few of them at the Napoleans in Brisbane as well.
> > >
> > > Ray.
> > >
> > I'm in Brisbane,
> > what is this Neo Anarchists book anyway
> >
> > Tristan
>
> It's the Neo-Anarchist's Guide to North america which is a sourcebook on
> a few cities and things around North America. Mostly out of date now
> anyway, especially with bug city and the like.
>
> By the way, I have a copy of it. How much are people willing to spend
> to get their hands on it?
>
> Ray.
>
That didn't come out the way I meant it to. It's more a curiosity thing
than wanting to sell it.

Ray.
Message no. 8
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: NAGNA
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 12:32:33 +0100
Neil Peach said on 15:40/16 Jul 96...

> what is this Neo Anarchists book anyway

The Neo-A Guide to North America is an out of print sourcebook with
information about the UCAS, CAS, Quebec, and California Free State; it's
similar to the Native American Nation books except it doesn't have the
adventure those two have, and it has maps in the back.

The CFS info has now been overtaken by the CFS sourcebook, and Chicago,
well... let's say the stuff about that city isn't really valid anymore
either :)

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Message no. 9
From: Faux Pas <fauxpas@******.net>
Subject: Re: NAGNA
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:14:59 -0500
At 11:15 AM 7/16/96 +1000, you wrote:
> What's so special about it? It's just re-released for 2nd Edition.
>There's been a few of them at the Napoleans in Brisbane as well.
>
> Ray.
>

Check out the dates in the book, the latest one mentioned in the book should
be 2052. Also there is a pre-Bug City Chicago in there. The book most
likely went out of print because the release of Bug City updated the Chicago
section of the NAGNA.

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Still a Cartoonist at Large Despite the Rumors

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Message no. 10
From: "Paolo Falco the FoxMaster" <Falco@****.it>
Subject: Re: NAGNA
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 18:45:06 +0200
On 16 Jul 96, RAY MACEY wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Neil Peach wrote:
>
> > I'm in Brisbane,
> > what is this Neo Anarchists book anyway
> >
> > Tristan
>
> It's the Neo-Anarchist's Guide to North america which is a >
> sourcebook on > a few cities and things around North America.
> Mostly out of > date now anyway, especially with bug city and
> the like.
> By the way, I have a copy of it. How much are people willing
> to spend to get their hands on it?

I could trade it for a near-quasi-mint (ie tattered) copy of
Shadowtech since nobody's won it in the GRAND PRIZE... (yagga
yagga)

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Message no. 11
From: "John R. Wicker II" <jrwick00@********.uky.edu>
Subject: Re: NAGNA
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:46:22 -0400 (EDT)
>Check out the dates in the book, the latest one mentioned in the book should
>be 2052. Also there is a pre-Bug City Chicago in there. The book most
>likely went out of print because the release of Bug City updated the Chicago
>section of the NAGNA.

Actually, it went out of print long before that simply because FASA
has to put all of the books somewhere between the time they're printed and
the time that they're shipped. Wharehouse space costs money, so they
discontinue older books as newer books come out. They've only got so much
room to work with. Tom Dowd was quite sad about this fact at a convention
last year...
Message no. 12
From: CHARLIE@*******.com
Subject: Re: NAGNA
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:01:49 -0400
At 06:45 PM 7/16/96 +0200, you wrote:
>On 16 Jul 96, RAY MACEY wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Neil Peach wrote:
>>
>> > I'm in Brisbane,
>> > what is this Neo Anarchists book anyway
>> >
>> > Tristan
>>
>> It's the Neo-Anarchist's Guide to North america which is a >
>> sourcebook on > a few cities and things around North America.
>> Mostly out of > date now anyway, especially with bug city and
>> the like.
>> By the way, I have a copy of it. How much are people willing
>> to spend to get their hands on it?
>
>I could trade it for a near-quasi-mint (ie tattered) copy of
>Shadowtech since nobody's won it in the GRAND PRIZE... (yagga
>yagga)
Hmmm......for either.....max I'd be able to spend is $20......more in $20
installments, up to $60[all amounts U.S. funds]
Message no. 13
From: Wynd <jeltzz@*******.com.au>
Subject: Re: NAGNA
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 21:56:32 +1000
Hey, could someone tell me what NAGNA has to say about
Quebec? I have a few characters born there, and I
want to flesh out their backgrounds, and give my
GM even more plot hooks (Like he hasn't got enough to
last him 'til doomsday already)

--
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<jeltzz@*******.com.au>
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jeltzz

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As the Fallen One, | and the sky, just moments Winter's white
He-Who-Walks-Alone, | turned black, as if night had descended"
Under Star, Moon and Sun." | - Flight of the Ravens
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Message no. 14
From: Ubiquitous <weberm@*******.net>
Subject: Re: NAGNA
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:10:49 -0400 (EDT)
At 09:56 PM 7/13/96 +1000, Wynd wrote:

>Hey, could someone tell me what NAGNA has to say about Quebec? I have a few
>characters born there, and I want to flesh out their backgrounds, and give my
>GM even more plot hooks (Like he hasn't got enough to last him 'til doomsday
>already)

The most I recall without looking at the book is that it's practically
illegal to speak anything but English and they're much more lax about BTL's
and other vices.

--
"You cannot escape. Everyday a part of you turns to shit."
Message no. 15
From: Rogue Cheddar <fenrir@******.cc.purdue.edu>
Subject: Re: NAGNA
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 16:00:07 -0500 (EST)
On Thu, 18 Jul 1996, Ubiquitous wrote:

> The most I recall without looking at the book is that it's practically
> illegal to speak anything but English and they're much more lax about BTL's
> and other vices.

Not quite. It's illegal to conduct business in any other language but
French, and a major faux-pas the rest of the time.
Don't remember about the BTL's and the like, but I do remember the book
saying that it's legal to own a firearm, illegal to carry it concealed, AND
illegal to carry it out in the open- considered being a public threat or
something like that.

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Message no. 16
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: NAGNA
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:50:51 +0100
Ubiquitous said on 15:10/18 Jul 96...

> >Hey, could someone tell me what NAGNA has to say about Quebec?
>
> The most I recall without looking at the book is that it's practically
> illegal to speak anything but English and they're much more lax about BTL's
> and other vices.

French. It's illegal to speak anything but French to officials, when
conducting business, writing things, etc. This does seem a bit odd to me,
as it says on page 67 of the NAGNA that "All printed material sold in
Quebec, and all signage, must be in French." That signage bit is somewhat
understandable, but all printed matter...?

How do they learn foreign languages?
Is anyone in possession of a foreign magazine (except those from other
French-speaking countries) breaking the law?
Are tourists almost by definition criminals, because they have brochures
from their own country with them?

Lawbreakers are often put into jail for some time instead of just getting
fined, and the death penalty also exists (guillotine time :)

Money in Quebec is the Franc, worth about half a nuyen and abbreviated
with a kind of wavy lower-case f that's normally used to indicate Dutch
guilders :) (alt+0131 in Windows.) Costs of living are *much* higher than
in Seattle, except for melee weapons, survival gear, lifestyle, magical
supplies, power foci and spell foci, which are cheaper (80-95% of Seattle
costs).

Getting into the country is a bit hard (why is it *always* hard to get
into another coutnry in SR?) and getting to live there is even harder.
Visitors usually have to pay a sum of money to get in, which is refunded
when they leave, except if they stay longer than they said they would...

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Message no. 17
From: Elfman <elfman@*********.net>
Subject: Re: NAGNA
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 08:32:56 -0700 (PDT)
At 15:10 18-07-96 -0400, you wrote:
>At 09:56 PM 7/13/96 +1000, Wynd wrote:
>
>>Hey, could someone tell me what NAGNA has to say about Quebec? I have a few
>>characters born there, and I want to flesh out their backgrounds, and give my
>>GM even more plot hooks (Like he hasn't got enough to last him 'til doomsday
>>already)
>
>The most I recall without looking at the book is that it's practically
>illegal to speak anything but English and they're much more lax about BTL's
>and other vices.

Nope, they outlawed the USE of English in most every sector of life, right
after
they declared they're independence. Several other provinces did declare
themselves
"English-only", but not Quebec.

Sgt Pepper

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Message no. 18
From: Brian Johnson <john0375@****.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: NAGNA
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:49:06 -0500 (CDT)
> f:Gurth
>
> French. It's illegal to speak anything but French to officials, when
> conducting business, writing things, etc. This does seem a bit odd to me,
> as it says on page 67 of the NAGNA that "All printed material sold in
> Quebec, and all signage, must be in French." That signage bit is somewhat
> understandable, but all printed matter...?

Ok, read as All Printed Business matter, contracts, writs, IDs,
Disclaimers, anything assoc. with business, law, property, govt...
Kind of like when We (USA) banned German instruction/printing during WWII.

>
> How do they learn foreign languages?
Ask Bob Dole :), He wants an official English language law just like the
one in 2050 Quebec. (it's a joke!)

> Is anyone in possession of a foreign magazine (except those from other
> French-speaking countries) breaking the law?
> Are tourists almost by definition criminals, because they have brochures
> from their own country with them?

most foreign magazines have french editions that they put out,
like time/newsweek, etc.

tourists have a 'tourist pass' and are unlikely to conduct 'business'.

> Money in Quebec is the Franc, worth about half a nuyen and abbreviated
> with a kind of wavy lower-case f that's normally used to indicate Dutch
> guilders :) (alt+0131 in Windows.) Costs of living are *much* higher than
> in Seattle, except for melee weapons, survival gear, lifestyle, magical
> supplies, power foci and spell foci, which are cheaper (80-95% of Seattle
> costs).

I remember decks being almost impossible, and don't bring your own.
Technology laws are very defensive, but if you speak french and have
computer theo/B/R, bon jour chummer! cybertech, too.

> Getting into the country is a bit hard (why is it *always* hard?
more fun that way, the cash siphon...<on>

Illegally, there are a lot of panzer runs, due to the tech laws...

> and getting to live there is even harder.

You must basically prove Fr citizenship, Fr blood, or previous Quebecois
(appologies for the lack of accents) relatives to get in on a permanent
basis. There is, of course, an unskilled labor pool of non FR/QB people,
talk about underpaid. You can buy a forged Identity.

Oh yeah, they don't like ork/troll/dwarf (duh, who does ?:)
Message no. 19
From: RAY MACEY <r.macey@*******.qut.edu.au>
Subject: Re: NAGNA
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 17:34:47 +1000 (EST)
On Thu, 18 Jul 1996, Ubiquitous wrote:


> The most I recall without looking at the book is that it's practically
> illegal to speak anything but English and they're much more lax about BTL's

You mean it's illegal to speak anything but French.

Ray.

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