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Message no. 1
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Narcoject vs Impact Armor
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:50:01 -0700
For the mere cost of a Thaum, K in the Shadows wrote:
/
/ In a message dated 10/30/1998 7:58:29 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
/ dghost@****.COM writes:
/
/ > >Narcoject is a very poor choice against a character with high armor, as
/ > >you need to roll more successes than the Impact armor rating to get
/ > >through it.
/ > <SNIP>
/ >
/ > Uhm, Gurth ... Where are you getting this from? It's NOT in SSC. In
/ > fact I don't recall reading this anywhere ... Are you sure you're not
/ > quoting a houserule?
/ >
/ After reading and rereading this twice, I think I have to agree with D. Ghost
/ here Gurth.

Well, I've read it. It's either in BBB2, or NAGEE. IIRC the rule
stated that in addition to hitting your target you had to roll more
successes then the target's impact armor (for the needle to get through
the armor). Only combat pool could be used to keep from getting hit.
If the target is hit by a Narcoject needle they then make a damage
resistance roll vs the toxin/drug in the needle.

-David B.
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Message no. 2
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Narcoject vs Impact Armor
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:05:21 EST
In a message dated 10/30/1998 12:49:52 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG writes:

>
> Well, I've read it. It's either in BBB2, or NAGEE. IIRC the rule
> stated that in addition to hitting your target you had to roll more
> successes then the target's impact armor (for the needle to get through
> the armor). Only combat pool could be used to keep from getting hit.
> If the target is hit by a Narcoject needle they then make a damage
> resistance roll vs the toxin/drug in the needle.
>
I can't find it in BBB2, but I could have simply skimmed past it. NAGEE??? I
never knew any of that was official... :P

-K
Message no. 3
From: John Pederson <pedersje@******.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU>
Subject: Re: Narcoject vs Impact Armor
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:23:48 -0500
K in the Shadows wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/30/1998 12:49:52 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG writes:
>
> >
> > Well, I've read it. It's either in BBB2, or NAGEE. IIRC the rule
> > stated that in addition to hitting your target you had to roll more
> > successes then the target's impact armor (for the needle to get through
> > the armor). Only combat pool could be used to keep from getting hit.
> > If the target is hit by a Narcoject needle they then make a damage
> > resistance roll vs the toxin/drug in the needle.
> >
> I can't find it in BBB2, but I could have simply skimmed past it. NAGEE??? I
> never knew any of that was official... :P

I rather suspect that the rule that's being discussed is something that
came up in one of the SR erratas -- I'd go looking for an errata for the
SSC, because I can pretty surely guarantee that it wouldn't be in the
BBB (checking the Sourcebook Updates for 1st ed. to 2nd...). And then
again... The BBB2 states that the rules in the original SSC concerning
the use of Narcoject weapons are different from those used later on
("Narcoject weapons (SSC, p67) use standard Ranged Combat Rules, instead
of the rules listed in SSC." page 277, Shadowrun Second Edition Main
Rulebook -- Hey, it's not entirely useless yet!). I'm guessing if anyone
has a copy of the old SSC (one that doesn't say 'Updated for Second
Edition' or somesuch on the cover), now would be the time to open it up
and check around for the rules in question.

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Message no. 4
From: Wordman <wordman@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Narcoject vs Impact Armor
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 22:29:13 -0500
>/ In a message dated 10/30/1998 7:58:29 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
>/ dghost@****.COM writes:
>/
>/ > Are you sure you're not quoting a houserule?

I sort of missed the beginning of this, but I know the ShadowFAQ
(http://pobox.com/~wordman/ShadowFAQ.html) has a question (number C6)
devoted to Narcoject weapons, so maybe that's what people are remembering.

Wordman

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