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Message no. 1
From: riftspyro@*****.com (Mike Watren)
Subject: Nega Mage? & Sidhe?
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:19:29 -0800 (PST)
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I have just a few basic questions.. Last night I was just surfing the web and I came
across this page where every one posted there dead chars. You know how they died , last
words and so on.. I was looking around a bit and for shadowrun this guy had "Nega
Mage" listed as the type of char and it was for shadowrun.. any one know any thing
of this.. and in what book ...or is this just simply some thing some one made up and
posted on the net?? Had to ask becuse only one table top game I have ever played had any
thing to do with "Nega" and that was Rifts. ( Well besides D&D with thoses
nega worm things ) They were called "Nega Psy" and could stop any type of magic
or Psi with a simple thought .. so I wasnt sure what this was all about when I spoted it
last night? My other question is.. do any of the SR books cover a type of race called
"Sidhe"? N ot the native american ones but the type of elvish fairy people...
maybe Im just loseing my mind.. or some person made it up and put it on a web page.. any
thoughts on both of theses issues would be wonderful thanks.....



The great Mr Slamm-0! ( Try not to let your mind wander its to small to go out all
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Message no. 2
From: Shannon@*****.co.za (Shannon Buys)
Subject: Nega Mage? & Sidhe?
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 17:39:57 +0200
Mike Watren wrote:

I have just a few basic questions.. Last night I was just surfing the web
and I came across this page where every one posted there dead chars. You
know how they died , last words and so on.. I was looking around a bit and
for shadowrun this guy had "Nega Mage" listed as the type of char and it was
for shadowrun.. any one know any thing of this.. and in what book ...or is
this just simply some thing some one made up and posted on the net?? Had to
ask becuse only one table top game I have ever played had any thing to do
with "Nega" and that was Rifts. ( Well besides D&D with thoses nega worm
things ) They were called "Nega Psy" and could stop any type of magic or Psi
with a simple thought .. so I wasnt sure what this was all about when I
spoted it last night? My other question is.. do any of the SR books cover a
type of race called "Sidhe"? N ot the native american ones but the type of
elvish fairy people... maybe Im just l oseing my mind.. or some person made
it up and put it on a web page.. any thoughts on both of theses issues would
be wonderful thanks.....
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Dude, I really like your posts, but 3 points that would really make me like
them more:

1) Post in plain text, NOT HTML
2) The "Enter" key. It creates new lines and paragraphs. Use it.
3) The "." period. It ends sentences. Use only one.

Plastic Rat
Message no. 3
From: shadowrun@******.com (Epilogue)
Subject: Nega Mage? & Sidhe?
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 10:45:11 -0500
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At 10:19 AM 3/6/2003, you wrote:

>I have just a few basic questions.. Last night I was just surfing the web
>and I came across this page where every one posted there dead chars. You
>know how they died , last words and so on.. I was looking around a bit and
>for shadowrun this guy had "Nega Mage" listed as the type of char and it
>was for shadowrun.. any one know any thing of this.. and in what book
>...or is this just simply some thing some one made up and posted on the
>net?? Had to ask becuse only one table top game I have ever played had any
>thing to do with "Nega" and that was Rifts. ( Well besides D&D with
>thoses nega worm things ) They were called "Nega Psy" and could stop any
>type of magic or Psi with a simple thought .. so I wasnt sure what this
>was all about when I spoted it last night? My other question is.. do any
>of the SR books cover a type of race called "Sidhe"? N ot the native
>american ones but the type of elvish fairy people... maybe Im just l
>oseing my mind.. or some person made it up and put it on a web page.. any
>thoughts on both of theses issues would be wonderful thanks.....

Nega-Mage...

Haven't heard that in years.... It was first published in an old issue of
White Wolf

Basically it was a new archtype that was immune to magic... in fact it was
completely undetectable by spirits, spells, etc etc etc... however, it
*was* a type of mage, so the addition of cyber would potentially cause that
particular effect to fail...

I can look and see if I have any thing floating around that describes it...
chances are no, but you never know... also, some of the older issues of the
NAGEE might have references to it...

Epilogue

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Message no. 4
From: loneeagle@********.co.uk (Lone Eagle)
Subject: Nega Mage? & Sidhe?
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 18:39:45 +0000
At 03:45 PM 6/3/2003, Epilogue wrote:
>Nega-Mage...
>
>Haven't heard that in years.... It was first published in an old issue of
>White Wolf
>
>Basically it was a new archtype that was immune to magic... in fact it was
>completely undetectable by spirits, spells, etc etc etc... however, it
>*was* a type of mage, so the addition of cyber would potentially cause
>that particular effect to fail...
>
>I can look and see if I have any thing floating around that describes
>it... chances are no, but you never know... also, some of the older issues
>of the NAGEE might have references to it...

That sounds similar to the Null adept... Now where in the hell did I read that?


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Message no. 5
From: me@******.net (Hexren)
Subject: Nega Mage? & Sidhe?
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:57:49 +0100
..

LE> That sounds similar to the Null adept... Now where in the hell did I read that?

Dunno but I read it too my guess woud be NAGEE or another online
puplication. But a quick googling for "Shadowrun Null Adept" turned up
this http://udel.edu/stu-org/galadrim/srii/magick/antimage.htm
Message no. 6
From: loneeagle@********.co.uk (Lone Eagle)
Subject: Nega Mage? & Sidhe?
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 21:02:31 +0000
At 06:57 PM 6/3/2003, Hexren wrote:
>LE> That sounds similar to the Null adept... Now where in the hell did I
>read that?
>
>Dunno but I read it too my guess woud be NAGEE or another online
>puplication. But a quick googling for "Shadowrun Null Adept" turned up
>this http://udel.edu/stu-org/galadrim/srii/magick/antimage.htm

Ahh! Found it! I found the bit I read in the BKK's HTML N.E.R.P.S. :
Shadowlore, seems to be about the same as the entry here but lacking the
Negamage <reads the Neagmage> Might throw one of those at my players, or
rather two of them...<Grin>

One interesting point, "rare as hen's teeth" that's one per bird isn't it?
doesn't seem that rare to me... :D


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Message no. 7
From: l-hansen@*****.tele.dk (Lars Wagner Hansen)
Subject: Nega Mage? & Sidhe?
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:42:09 +0100
From: "Mike Watren" <riftspyro@*****.com>
>
> I have just a few basic questions.. Last night I was just surfing the web
> and I came across this page where every one posted there dead chars. You
> know how they died , last words and so on.. I was looking around a bit
> and for shadowrun this guy had "Nega Mage" listed as the type of char and
> it was for shadowrun.. any one know any thing of this.. and in what
> book ...or is this just simply some thing some one made up and posted on
> the net??

I have found this bit of information:

2049: In the UCAS, Professor Matthew Hawkins reappears from his search with
Miles Freeman, the worlds first reported nega-magician (magically immune
person).

Although I can't exactly find the original reference. It might be in one of
those flyers FASA handed out in the early days of SR.

The only official reference I can remember is in the Shadowrun novel "Never
Deal With a Dragon", part one of The Secrets of Power trilogy by Robert N.
Charerette. On page 209 Sam Verner mentions negamages. Professor Laverty
(Sean?) say that negamages don't astrally project.

That's all the official information I think there ever was.

I have however seen two unofficial articles in print for negamages:

First in the Danish magazine SAGA, issue 8, August 1991, page 12, in an
article with new Physical Adept abilities, new magicians (Astral Adept,
Negamage, Specialtist Conjurer, Specialist Sorcerer and Totem Adepts),
rules for Improvised magic, clarifications on the use of Sorcery &
Conjuring, rules for changing your type of magician, and three new
archtypes, 8 pages all-in-all. Everything written by yours truely, and very
much influenced by the first SR novels.

Later in Challenge, Issue 68, December 1992, page 54, 2 pages including an
archtype. Written by David Perry.

There are also som rules on the net, like the following:
http://members.aol.com/tnguyen418/new.html
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dreamworld/4808/Shadowrun/SHRules.html
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/1757/Magic.html (GURPS-SR
rules)
http://battle.free.fr/JdR/Shadowrun/supShadowrun.htm#néga (in French)
http://www.hoboes.com/pub/Role-Playing/Shadowrun/NAGEE/HTML/6th_NAGEE/NAGEE
_06.16.html (soory if the link is too long) or the originale at
http://plastic.dumpshock.com/nagee/index.html (Issue 6) or in the collected
NAGEE page 137
http://www.hoboes.com/pub/Role-Playing/Shadowrun/NAGEE/Collected/6Magic.pdf
http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~leirbakk/rpg/shadowrun/rules/shadowrun_rules_dorman
tmages.html (too long aswell)


> My other question is..
> do any of the SR books cover a type of race called "Sidhe"? N ot the
> native american ones but the type of elvish fairy people... maybe Im just
> loseing my mind.. or some person made it up and put it on a web page..
> any thoughts on both of theses issues would be wonderful thanks.....

In Paranormal Animals of Europe there is a creature called Bean Sidhe (a
relative of Mr. Bean?) which might be what you were thinking about. It is
not included in the Critters book.

Lars
Message no. 8
From: sf_fuller@********.com.au (Simon & Fiona)
Subject: Nega Mage? & Sidhe?
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:53:01 +1100
>My other question is.. do any of the SR books cover a type of race called
"Sidhe"? N ot the native american ones but the type of elvish fairy
people... maybe Im just l oseing my mind.. or some person made it up and
put it on a web page.. any >thoughts on both of theses issues would be
wonderful thanks.....

It's a gaelic word, I'm not sure of the exact translation but it has to do
with the supernatural and otherworldly, pronounced "Shee".
In SR Sidhe refers to elves. I think there was shadowtalk in one of the
sourcebooks (Aztlan?) about elves inhabited by powerful spirits, called
Sidhe. The passage possibly referred to the good old Immortal Elves that
everyone loves so much. There's never been anything more concrete or canon
that I know of, but a fan might have ran with the idea.
Message no. 9
From: ValeuJ@*************.navy.mil (Valeu John EMFA)
Subject: Nega Mage? & Sidhe?
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 04:01:22 -0800
>> I have just a few basic questions.. Last night I was just surfing the web
>> and I came across this page where every one posted there dead chars. You
> >> know how they died , last words and so on.. I was looking around a bit
> >> and for shadowrun this guy had "Nega Mage" listed as the type of
char
> and
> >> it was for shadowrun.. any one know any thing of this.. and in what
> >> book ...or is this just simply some thing some one made up and posted
> on
>> the net??

>2049: In the UCAS, Professor Matthew Hawkins reappears from his search with
>Miles Freeman, the worlds first reported nega-magician (magically immune
>person).

>Although I can't exactly find the original reference. It might be in one of
>those flyers FASA handed out in the early days of SR.

>The only official reference I can remember is in the Shadowrun novel "Never
>Deal With a Dragon", part one of The Secrets of Power trilogy by Robert N.
>Charerette. On page 209 Sam Verner mentions negamages. Professor Laverty
>(Sean?) say that negamages don't astrally project.

>That's all the official information I think there ever was.

>I have however seen two unofficial articles in print for negamages:

>First in the Danish magazine SAGA, issue 8, August 1991, page 12, in an
>article with new Physical Adept abilities, new magicians (Astral Adept,
>Negamage, Specialtist Conjurer, Specialist Sorcerer and Totem Adepts),
>rules for Improvised magic, clarifications on the use of Sorcery &
>Conjuring, rules for changing your type of magician, and three new
>archtypes, 8 pages all-in-all. Everything written by yours truely, and very
>much influenced by the first SR novels.

>Later in Challenge, Issue 68, December 1992, page 54, 2 pages including an
>archtype. Written by David Perry.


Ok, just a couple of questions... Can these Nega-mages use magic (such as
spells or summoning), or are they just immune to it? Could diffinently mess
up my players. Too bad I'll have to wait until my player are more
exprienced.
Message no. 10
From: me@******.net (Hexren)
Subject: Nega Mage? & Sidhe?
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 02:11:46 +0100
>>My other question is.. do any of the SR books cover a type of race called
SF> "Sidhe"? N ot the native american ones but the type of elvish fairy
SF> people... maybe Im just l oseing my mind.. or some person made it up and
SF> put it on a web page.. any >thoughts on both of theses issues would be
SF> wonderful thanks.....

SF> It's a gaelic word, I'm not sure of the exact translation but it has to do
SF> with the supernatural and otherworldly, pronounced "Shee".
SF> In SR Sidhe refers to elves. I think there was shadowtalk in one of the
SF> sourcebooks (Aztlan?) about elves inhabited by powerful spirits, called
SF> Sidhe. The passage possibly referred to the good old Immortal Elves that
SF> everyone loves so much. There's never been anything more concrete or canon
SF> that I know of, but a fan might have ran with the idea.

---------------------------------------------

I think the Word is pretty common in some World of Darkness Lines and
I think I remember it being used in some Novels concerning the Elves
of Tir Na Nog. But I am not sure of that.

Greetz
Hexren
Message no. 11
From: iridios@********.net (Iridios)
Subject: Nega Mage? & Sidhe?
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 21:20:37 -0500
Mike Watren wrote:

> other question is.. do any of the SR books cover a type of race called
> "Sidhe"? N ot the native american ones but the type of elvish fairy
> people...

The 'Sidhe' in Salish-Sidhe refers to elves. That particular member
of the NAN was formed by a coalition of the Salish Indians and Elves
who didn't make it into the Tir for some reason.

IMO, Sidhe is just another word for elves. I have never seen (or at
least don't remember) it applied to anything else.

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Message no. 12
From: l-hansen@*****.tele.dk (Lars Wagner Hansen)
Subject: Nega Mage? & Sidhe?
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 20:07:58 +0100
From: "Valeu John EMFA" <ValeuJ@*************.navy.mil>
<Snip>
> >2049: In the UCAS, Professor Matthew Hawkins reappears from his search
with
> >Miles Freeman, the worlds first reported nega-magician (magically immune
> >person).
<Snip>
> Ok, just a couple of questions... Can these Nega-mages use magic (such as
> spells or summoning), or are they just immune to it? Could diffinently
mess
> up my players. Too bad I'll have to wait until my player are more
> exprienced.

They are just immune to magic. How much depends on what rules you use.

I personally never considered nega-magicians totally immune. Here is the
short version of my rules from SAGA, but the rules were for SR1:

Negamages can use Spell Defense, but they add their Magic-attribute to
their Magic Pool (Magic Pool was equal to your Sorcery skill in those days,
and you could only use Sepll Defense on a numbner of people equal to your
Sorcery Skill). So a Negamage with Sorcery 3 and Magic 5, could use Spell
Defence on up to 3 persons with a Spell Deence bonus of 8 dice. If the
Negamage didn't have any Sorcery Skill, then he could only use Spell
Defence on himself.

If a Negamage Initiated, then he could use Shielding, even though he
couldn't Astrally Project or Percive.

To become a Negamage you had to use Priority 2 as a Human, and Priority 1
as a Metahuman (in those days the Priority was 0-4, which later changed to
E-A, a 2 would be a C, and 1 would be a D. Characters had to use priority 4
(A) to be Metahuman).

Negamagicians also had to follow all other rules for magical active
charaters, such as Healing, Magic Loss, groups, Initiation etc.

I haven't bothered with converting the rules to 2nd or 3rd edition, as I
have never used them in actual play, only in playtests.

I found my rules to make Negamages difficult to take down with magic, but
not totally immune to magic as some of the other rules have suggested..

Lars
Message no. 13
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: Nega Mage? & Sidhe?
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 21:03:51 +0100
I seem to recall reading somewhere (think it was on DSF) that
nega-mages (along with their rules) appeared in some German edition
official rulebooks. But I may be wrong... Can someone confirm?

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Message no. 14
From: nichlas@****.dk (Nichlas Hummelsberger)
Subject: Nega Mage? & Sidhe?
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:30:35 +0100
Epilogue wrote:
> Nega-Mage...
>
> Haven't heard that in years.... It was first published in an old
> issue of White Wolf [...]

and in "Challenge" issue 67.
Message no. 15
From: Tobias.D@********.de (Burning Avatar)
Subject: Nega Mage? & Sidhe?
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 11:11:56 +0100
On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 20:07:58 +0100 Lars Wagner Hansen wrote:

> I haven't bothered with converting the rules to 2nd or 3rd edition, as
> I have never used them in actual play, only in playtests.

As a quick hack: what do you think of make his half Magic rating (or
full?) as an additionally Threshold, when somebody cast a spell (or do
some other magic upon him) on the Nega Mage. He also would be allowed to
use his Spellpool (calculated normally) for upto [Sorcery] people and
Shielding if initiated. As for character generation, I'll put him on the
same level as all the other Aspekted/Adepts are.

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