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Message no. 1
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:12:40 +0100
Tal Kedem said on 12 Mar 96...

> Is there a Shadowrun Movie/Anime/Animated series (I.e. not Japanese) out
> there? Something like it?

Having seen an episode of the BattleTech cartoon last week (yes, it's on
Dutch TV too...), I can honestly say that I hope FASA don't ever do
something like that again... The only halfway cool thing were the
computer animations, the rest sucked big-time. If they were ever to do
anything with Shadowrun, I hope they make a more decent show out of it.

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Message no. 2
From: TopCat <topcat@******.net>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 10:06:48 -0600
>>Is there a Shadowrun Movie/Anime/Animated series (I.e. not Japanese) out
>>there? Something like it?

>I don't know, but I was wondering if anyone had seen anything similiar to
>shadowrun in a non-novel printed graphic (read: comic book/manga) format?
>I've always kind of hoped that Vertigo would do an SR series. Help get an
>idea of what the SR world looks like from another persons view.

(comics) Someone suggested Amerikan Flagg to me once before, but I haven't
gone out hunting for it yet. I suggest Sin City and Cyber Force (don't
laugh TOO hard at the last one, it has cyberware, nasty corps, mutants-which
could be metas if you thought about it a bit, and supertypes-which could be
magicians if you thought about that for a while too). If you love (or love
to hate) the EI, check out Poison Elves.

Met a few new friends who are BIGTIME into anime, I'm going to try to get
some suggestions out of them soon...


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* Bob Ooton -- <topcat@******.net> *
* Golden Tiger Association -- Submission Fighting Team *
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* With the speed of a striking cobra he pulled his machine *
* pistol and jammed the muzzle against Mozart's nose. "I *
* put my gun on rock and roll, there nothing left of you *
* but ears, man." -- "Mozart in Mirrorshades" *
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Message no. 3
From: Roger Ramirez <chariot@*******.net>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:15:28 -0500 (EST)
At 11:12 AM 3/13/96 +0100, you wrote:
>Tal Kedem said on 12 Mar 96...
>
>> Is there a Shadowrun Movie/Anime/Animated series (I.e. not Japanese) out
>> there? Something like it?
>
>Having seen an episode of the BattleTech cartoon last week (yes, it's on
>Dutch TV too...), I can honestly say that I hope FASA don't ever do
>something like that again... The only halfway cool thing were the
>computer animations, the rest sucked big-time. If they were ever to do
>anything with Shadowrun, I hope they make a more decent show out of it.
>
If they put shadowrun on saturday morning I would just totally refuse
to watch it.
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Message no. 4
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 16:50:35 +0000 (GMT)
|At 11:12 AM 3/13/96 +0100, you wrote:
|If they put shadowrun on saturday morning I would just totally refuse
|to watch it.

Oh, I don't know.
We get Anamaniacs and Tazmania on saturday mornings sometimes.
They're always worth a laugh.
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Message no. 5
From: TopCat <topcat@******.net>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:19:29 -0600
>Oh, I don't know.
>We get Anamaniacs and Tazmania on saturday mornings sometimes.
>They're always worth a laugh.

Yeah, but it's not Cybermaniacs or ShadowTaz. You can't put a violent, dark
game into cartoon format for Saturday morning viewers and expect to get by
without having murders, satanism, and the despoiling of youths blamed on you
at every corner. I know that SR logo goes over well with parents everywhere
as is. I personally can't stand the "moral majority" and their influence
over such things, but I'm forced to live with it. *sigh*

Am I ranting?


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* Bob Ooton -- <topcat@******.net> *
* Golden Tiger Association -- Submission Fighting Team *
------------------------------------------------------------
* With the speed of a striking cobra he pulled his machine *
* pistol and jammed the muzzle against Mozart's nose. "I *
* put my gun on rock and roll, there nothing left of you *
* but ears, man." -- "Mozart in Mirrorshades" *
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Message no. 6
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 17:24:46 +0000 (GMT)
|
|>Oh, I don't know.
|>We get Anamaniacs and Tazmania on saturday mornings sometimes.
|>They're always worth a laugh.
|
|Yeah, but it's not Cybermaniacs or ShadowTaz. You can't put a violent, dark
|game into cartoon format for Saturday morning viewers and expect to get by
|without having murders, satanism, and the despoiling of youths blamed on you
|at every corner. I know that SR logo goes over well with parents everywhere
|as is. I personally can't stand the "moral majority" and their influence
|over such things, but I'm forced to live with it. *sigh*

Point taken. :)

|Am I ranting?

Only a little.

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Message no. 7
From: tsbtal@********.com (Tal Kedem)
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 13:47:47 -0500
On Mar 13, 1996 11:12:40, '"Gurth" <gurth@******.NL>' wrote:


>Tal Kedem said on 12 Mar 96...
>
>> Is there a Shadowrun Movie/Anime/Animated series (I.e. not Japanese) out

>> there? Something like it?
>
>Having seen an episode of the BattleTech cartoon last week (yes, it's on
>Dutch TV too...), I can honestly say that I hope FASA don't ever do
>something like that again... The only halfway cool thing were the
>computer animations, the rest sucked big-time. If they were ever to do
>anything with Shadowrun, I hope they make a more decent show out of it.
>
>Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html

Don't remind me, I saw one episode of that and nearly blew my Lo Mein
across the room. Besides, If FASA did a "Live-Action" Movie of a
particularly deep adventure...
(Note the dot-dot-dot :) )

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Message no. 8
From: tsbtal@********.com (Tal Kedem)
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 13:51:17 -0500
On Mar 13, 1996 11:19:29, 'TopCat <topcat@******.net>' wrote:


>>Oh, I don't know.
>>We get Anamaniacs and Tazmania on saturday mornings sometimes.
>>They're always worth a laugh.
>
>Yeah, but it's not Cybermaniacs or ShadowTaz. You can't put a violent,
dark
>game into cartoon format for Saturday morning viewers and expect to get by

>without having murders, satanism, and the despoiling of youths blamed on
you
>at every corner. I know that SR logo goes over well with parents
everywhere
>as is. I personally can't stand the "moral majority" and their influence
>over such things, but I'm forced to live with it. *sigh*
>
>Am I ranting?

Yes, but rant on brother TopCat!

Honestly I think the US (the country I live in, Go New York!) is
populated with a bunch of wimpy, right wing, religious conservative uptight
tight-assed pansies who'd probably get "woozy" after riding Space Mountain.
While I would probably not want to see Shadowrun as a Saturday Morning
cartoon, because It would be dumbed down to the level in which 8-year old
kids can understand it (and understand the merchandise, "Harlequin with his
power action Manaball!", ugh).
But I COULD see it as a darker series, or a movie (as said earilier),
perhaps on HBO or something? (with less strict censorship blah blah blah)
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Message no. 9
From: Roger Ramirez <chariot@*******.net>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 16:31:17 -0500 (EST)
At 11:19 AM 3/13/96 -0600, you wrote:
>>Oh, I don't know.
>>We get Anamaniacs and Tazmania on saturday mornings sometimes.
>>They're always worth a laugh.
>
>Yeah, but it's not Cybermaniacs or ShadowTaz. You can't put a violent, dark
>game into cartoon format for Saturday morning viewers and expect to get by
>without having murders, satanism, and the despoiling of youths blamed on you
>at every corner. I know that SR logo goes over well with parents everywhere
>as is. I personally can't stand the "moral majority" and their influence
>over such things, but I'm forced to live with it. *sigh*
>
Actually... they should just make a TV series. Hey they have Kindred coming
out for Vampire why can't they do Shadowrun?

Chariot
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Message no. 10
From: TopCat <topcat@******.net>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 17:48:32 -0600
>Actually... they should just make a TV series. Hey they have Kindred coming
>out for Vampire why can't they do Shadowrun?

Imagine with me the hideously cheesy effects used for magic. Now picture a
dwarf character. Ok, a troll now. And then there's the matrix. Film
companies spend megacash to create matrices for films like Johnny Mnemonic
and Hackers and we're still not satisfied *grin*. Can you just imagine what
the Matrix would look like through the eyes of some TV exec who just had to
drop a load of cash for crappy magic effects and makeup artists?

*shudders*

That's why we won't have a TV series. I hope.

Give us a R-going-on-NC17 rating, a budget that'd put Waterworld to shame, a
script by people who know what they're talking about, a whole boatload of
struggling actors who need a break and will kill themselves to get a role in
this kinda film and THEN we'll have a movie ;)


------------------------------------------------------------
* Bob Ooton -- <topcat@******.net> *
* Golden Tiger Association -- Submission Fighting Team *
------------------------------------------------------------
* With the speed of a striking cobra he pulled his machine *
* pistol and jammed the muzzle against Mozart's nose. "I *
* put my gun on rock and roll, there nothing left of you *
* but ears, man." -- "Mozart in Mirrorshades" *
------------------------------------------------------------
Message no. 11
From: Kenneth Horner <kwhorner@*******.edu>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 20:19:31 -0800 (PST)
On Wed, 13 Mar 1996, TopCat wrote:

> >Oh, I don't know.
> >We get Anamaniacs and Tazmania on saturday mornings sometimes.
> >They're always worth a laugh.
>
> Yeah, but it's not Cybermaniacs or ShadowTaz. You can't put a violent, dark
> game into cartoon format for Saturday morning viewers and expect to get by
> without having murders, satanism, and the despoiling of youths blamed on you
> at every corner. I know that SR logo goes over well with parents everywhere
> as is. I personally can't stand the "moral majority" and their influence
> over such things, but I'm forced to live with it. *sigh*
>
> Am I ranting?
>
Probably not, but you haven't seen the cartoons on T.V. such as GI Joe
Extreme (no more of the cluzty but loveable Cobra) or the violent martial
arts shows. I mean there are still good shows, Looney Toons is still on
and the Tick is on of the best satires on T.V. Somehow I don't think a
shadowrun cartoon that stayed away from wetwork could be any worse than
the Power Derangers(take your TM and shove it on this one). On the other
hand, why not make a primetime, liveaction show out of shadow run?
Probably wouldn't get a good network or time slot, but would be infanitly
easier to do than Battletech.

Nutcracker
<ranting as well>
Message no. 12
From: Kenneth Horner <kwhorner@*******.edu>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 20:24:22 -0800 (PST)
On Wed, 13 Mar 1996, Tal Kedem wrote:

> On Mar 13, 1996 11:12:40, '"Gurth" <gurth@******.NL>' wrote:
>
>
> >Tal Kedem said on 12 Mar 96...
> >
> >> Is there a Shadowrun Movie/Anime/Animated series (I.e. not Japanese) out
>
> >> there? Something like it?
> >
> >Having seen an episode of the BattleTech cartoon last week (yes, it's on
> >Dutch TV too...), I can honestly say that I hope FASA don't ever do
> >something like that again... The only halfway cool thing were the
> >computer animations, the rest sucked big-time. If they were ever to do
> >anything with Shadowrun, I hope they make a more decent show out of it.
> >
> >Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
>
> Don't remind me, I saw one episode of that and nearly blew my Lo Mein
> across the room. Besides, If FASA did a "Live-Action" Movie of a
> particularly deep adventure...
> (Note the dot-dot-dot :) )

Sorry, but Sam says their working on a live action battletech movie
first, through the turner company that did "The Mask". He couldn't say
much about it though, because they were in negotiations and that could
have been a legal impropriety or some such...

Nutcracker

>
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>
Message no. 13
From: tsbtal@********.com (Tal Kedem)
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 23:40:16 -0500
On Mar 13, 1996 20:24:22, 'Kenneth Horner <kwhorner@*******.edu>' wrote:


>> Don't remind me, I saw one episode of that and nearly blew my Lo Mein
>> across the room. Besides, If FASA did a "Live-Action" Movie of a
>> particularly deep adventure...
>> (Note the dot-dot-dot :) )
>
>Sorry, but Sam says their working on a live action battletech movie
>first, through the turner company that did "The Mask". He couldn't say
>much about it though, because they were in negotiations and that could
>have been a legal impropriety or some such...
>
>Nutcracker

Well the Battletech "Cartoon" was bad, I could easily see FASA and ...
turner so it seems ... making a pretty good Battletech "Movie". Hope it
has the clans in it!

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Message no. 14
From: James Meiers <polbdm@***.unm.EDU>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 22:30:50 -0700 (MST)
On Wed, 13 Mar 1996, Tal Kedem wrote:

> On Mar 13, 1996 20:24:22, 'Kenneth Horner <kwhorner@*******.edu>' wrote:
>
>
> >> Don't remind me, I saw one episode of that and nearly blew my Lo Mein
> >> across the room. Besides, If FASA did a "Live-Action" Movie of a
> >> particularly deep adventure...
> >> (Note the dot-dot-dot :) )
> >
> >Sorry, but Sam says their working on a live action battletech movie
> >first, through the turner company that did "The Mask". He couldn't say

> >much about it though, because they were in negotiations and that could
> >have been a legal impropriety or some such...
> >
> >Nutcracker
>
> Well the Battletech "Cartoon" was bad, I could easily see FASA and ...
> turner so it seems ... making a pretty good Battletech "Movie". Hope it
> has the clans in it!

Why is it than when I read this the movie Robot Jox comes to mind? If
they make a movie like that, it will _bomb_ like nothing else.

>
> --
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>

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Message no. 15
From: tsbtal@********.com (Tal Kedem)
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 00:45:30 -0500
On Mar 13, 1996 22:30:50, 'James Meiers <polbdm@***.unm.EDU>' wrote:


>> >Sorry, but Sam says their working on a live action battletech movie
>> >first, through the turner company that did "The Mask". He couldn't
say

>> >much about it though, because they were in negotiations and that could

>> >have been a legal impropriety or some such...
>> >
>> >Nutcracker
>>
>> Well the Battletech "Cartoon" was bad, I could easily see FASA and ...
>> turner so it seems ... making a pretty good Battletech "Movie". Hope
it

>> has the clans in it!
>
>Why is it than when I read this the movie Robot Jox comes to mind? If
>they make a movie like that, it will _bomb_ like nothing else.

Bad Example, but if you want worse, go see Robot Wars (made by the same
people, and man, they must be talented, cause they made it worse :)

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Message no. 16
From: Kenneth Horner <kwhorner@*******.edu>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 21:50:43 -0800 (PST)
On Wed, 13 Mar 1996, James Meiers wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Mar 1996, Tal Kedem wrote:
>
> > On Mar 13, 1996 20:24:22, 'Kenneth Horner <kwhorner@*******.edu>' wrote:
> >
> >
> > >> Don't remind me, I saw one episode of that and nearly blew my Lo Mein
> > >> across the room. Besides, If FASA did a "Live-Action" Movie
of a
> > >> particularly deep adventure...
> > >> (Note the dot-dot-dot :) )
> > >
> > >Sorry, but Sam says their working on a live action battletech movie
> > >first, through the turner company that did "The Mask". He
couldn't say
> > >much about it though, because they were in negotiations and that could
> > >have been a legal impropriety or some such...
> > >
> > >Nutcracker
> >
> > Well the Battletech "Cartoon" was bad, I could easily see FASA and ...
> > turner so it seems ... making a pretty good Battletech "Movie". Hope
it
> > has the clans in it!
>
> Why is it than when I read this the movie Robot Jox comes to mind? If
> they make a movie like that, it will _bomb_ like nothing else.
>
They kept making jokes about that movie. They though it was really funny
in a cheese-ball sort of way. They liked the special effects but thought
the script sucked big time. "Crash and burn!" "Kill you dead!" Sam
kept quoting those two lines like people quote Jim Carrey/Ace Ventura.
I think they'll do a much better job.

Nutcracker
Message no. 17
From: Roger Ramirez <chariot@*******.net>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 02:08:27 -0500 (EST)
At 05:48 PM 3/13/96 -0600, you wrote:
>>Actually... they should just make a TV series. Hey they have Kindred coming
>>out for Vampire why can't they do Shadowrun?
>
>Imagine with me the hideously cheesy effects used for magic. Now picture a
>dwarf character. Ok, a troll now. And then there's the matrix. Film
>companies spend megacash to create matrices for films like Johnny Mnemonic
>and Hackers and we're still not satisfied *grin*. Can you just imagine what
>the Matrix would look like through the eyes of some TV exec who just had to
>drop a load of cash for crappy magic effects and makeup artists?
>
Ok ok ok... so maybe they'll have trouble doing a Drawf and a Troll. Orks
and Elves shouldn't be too hard. As for the magic? Well... I suppose the
low budget of a tv series might not be too good. As for the matrix. I have
to say that I can not agree with you. There is actually one TV series, or
TV Movie series that was really cool for the matrix.. (at least the first
one was). TekWar. I think it could be done if you got the right people
together. Although a movie would definitely be better.

Chariot
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Message no. 18
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:36:44 +0100
Kenneth Horner said on 13 Mar 96...

> Probably not, but you haven't seen the cartoons on T.V. such as GI Joe
> Extreme (no more of the cluzty but loveable Cobra) or the violent martial
> arts shows. I mean there are still good shows, Looney Toons is still on
> and the Tick is on of the best satires on T.V. Somehow I don't think a
> shadowrun cartoon that stayed away from wetwork could be any worse than
> the Power Derangers(take your TM and shove it on this one). On the other
> hand, why not make a primetime, liveaction show out of shadow run?
> Probably wouldn't get a good network or time slot, but would be infanitly
> easier to do than Battletech.

Are you sure about that? BattleMechs would be easy enough to do using
models and stop-action animation (or whatever), or computers if you feel
like spending more cash, whereas metahumans are a lot more difficult.
Elves: easy enough, just hire a tall, uderweight actor and borrow some
ears off the Star Trek set :)
Dwarfs: easy too -- hire some "little people" if you want to be PC, dwarfs
if you don't.
Orks: hmm, that one's a bit harder... tall body builders with a latex mask
and good makeup should do the trick, I think.
Trolls: erm... ahem... yes... where do you find people 2.8 meters tall?
Creative use of masks, makeup, and cutting and pasting could make them
work too, but I don't think there'd be a scene where the heroes visit
"That troll bar on 76th Street"...

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Message no. 19
From: neon@******.backbone.olemiss.edu (Mike Broadwater)
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 07:39:25 -0600
>Ok ok ok... so maybe they'll have trouble doing a Drawf
Ewoks
>and a Troll.
Chembacca
>Orks and Elves shouldn't be too hard. As for the magic?
Lightsabers
> Well... I suppose the
>low budget of a tv series might not be too good. As for the matrix.
That stuff is easier than ever

Star Wars could do great costumes almost 20 years ago, we can do better ones
now.

Mike Broadwater
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon
"You only need two things in this world. WD40 to make things go, and
duct tape to make them stop."
Message no. 20
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:36:37 +0000 (GMT)
|Are you sure about that? BattleMechs would be easy enough to do using
|models and stop-action animation (or whatever), or computers if you feel
|like spending more cash, whereas metahumans are a lot more difficult.
|Elves: easy enough, just hire a tall, uderweight actor and borrow some
|ears off the Star Trek set :)
|Dwarfs: easy too -- hire some "little people" if you want to be PC, dwarfs
|if you don't.
|Orks: hmm, that one's a bit harder... tall body builders with a latex mask
|and good makeup should do the trick, I think.
|Trolls: erm... ahem... yes... where do you find people 2.8 meters tall?
|Creative use of masks, makeup, and cutting and pasting could make them
|work too, but I don't think there'd be a scene where the heroes visit
|"That troll bar on 76th Street"...

Jim Henson did some amazing stuff with *big* creatures.
They'd just have to hire the services of the creature shop. They could
probably handle it.....
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Message no. 21
From: tsbtal@********.com (Tal Kedem)
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:43:20 -0500
On Mar 13, 1996 22:30:50, 'James Meiers <polbdm@***.unm.EDU>' wrote:


>> >Sorry, but Sam says their working on a live action battletech movie
>> >first, through the turner company that did "The Mask". He couldn't
say

>> >much about it though, because they were in negotiations and that could

>> >have been a legal impropriety or some such...
>> >
>> >Nutcracker
>>
>> Well the Battletech "Cartoon" was bad, I could easily see FASA and ...
>> turner so it seems ... making a pretty good Battletech "Movie". Hope
it

>> has the clans in it!
>
>Why is it than when I read this the movie Robot Jox comes to mind? If
>they make a movie like that, it will _bomb_ like nothing else.

Well, that's a bad example if I ever saw one, but If you want worse go see
Robot Jox! :)

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Message no. 22
From: tsbtal@********.com (Tal Kedem)
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:52:59 -0500
On Mar 14, 1996 07:39:25, 'neon@******.backbone.olemiss.edu (Mike
Broadwater)' wrote:


>>Ok ok ok... so maybe they'll have trouble doing a Drawf
>Ewoks
>>and a Troll.
>Chembacca
>>Orks and Elves shouldn't be too hard. As for the magic?
>Lightsabers
>> Well... I suppose the
>>low budget of a tv series might not be too good. As for the matrix.
>That stuff is easier than ever
>
>Star Wars could do great costumes almost 20 years ago, we can do better
ones
>now.
>
>Mike Broadwater

And it's budget was $5 mil, small even back then. I think that as long as
the people who make it:

a) Try to get decent acting
b) Don't rely solely on special effects
-And-
c) Have a DETAILED and DEEP plot

It'll be okay :)

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Message no. 23
From: "A. Blair Blackwell" <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:06:48 -0500
At 02:08 3/14/96 -0500, Chariot wrote:

[SNIP] (Stuff about TV shows)

>Ok ok ok... so maybe they'll have trouble doing a Drawf and a Troll. Orks
>and Elves shouldn't be too hard. As for the magic? Well... I suppose the
>low budget of a tv series might not be too good. As for the matrix. I have
>to say that I can not agree with you. There is actually one TV series, or
>TV Movie series that was really cool for the matrix.. (at least the first
>one was). TekWar. I think it could be done if you got the right people
>together. Although a movie would definitely be better.
>
>Chariot
>--

OK Tekwar wasn't that bad, but did any of you catch the RL TV movie called
Generation X? It was based on the comic book of the same name, but it used
real people. It was horrible! The SR world is too complex to translate to
low-budget TV. It would be hard enough to make it into a good RL movie.
Forget about RL TV. Best it could do on TV is a cartoon. A very dark
cartoon. The kindred is going to have a very hard time of it to say the least.

BLAIR
Message no. 24
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:12:17 -0700 (MST)
A Halliwell wrote:
|
[snip] talking about how do create dwarves, trolls, orcs, etc for a
ShadowRun movie.
|
|Jim Henson did some amazing stuff with *big* creatures.
|They'd just have to hire the services of the creature shop. They could
|probably handle it.....

"What are we gonna do tonight Kermit?"
"Same thing we do every night Fuzzy. We're going to go ShadowMuppeting!"

;) Sorry, couldn't resist. I agree with you though. The creature shop could
easily handle an orc or a troll. And the guys that do the effects for
Babylon V could handle the matrix. The skill and technology to create a
good SR tv show is there, you just need the right mix of producer,
director, actors, etc., and good stories.

-David

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Message no. 25
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:16:05 +0000 (GMT)
|
|At 02:08 3/14/96 -0500, Chariot wrote:
|OK Tekwar wasn't that bad, but did any of you catch the RL TV movie called
|Generation X? It was based on the comic book of the same name, but it used
|real people. It was horrible! The SR world is too complex to translate to
|low-budget TV. It would be hard enough to make it into a good RL movie.
|Forget about RL TV. Best it could do on TV is a cartoon. A very dark
|cartoon. The kindred is going to have a very hard time of it to say the least.

The best cartoon I can think of that could compare to a decent shadowrun
cartoon is Warner Brothers "Batman" (and later, "The adventures of Batman
and Robin").

And, even though Batman was Dark and Moody, it still made it to saturday
morning TV over here.

The full length one "Mask of the Fantasm" was excellent.
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Message no. 26
From: "A. Blair Blackwell" <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:27:32 -0500
At 07:39 3/14/96 -0600, Mike wrote:
[SNIP]

>That stuff is easier than ever
>
>Star Wars could do great costumes almost 20 years ago, we can do better ones
>now.
>
>Mike Broadwater

You'd think that wouldn't you?. The industry took a great leap forward to do
Star Wars. Its gone a bit stagnant since then. We need a new visionary to
get a good SR movie. Even Ind. Light and Magic would have a hard time. Magic
has always had a hard time translating to movies. Name one blockbuster that
involved good magic effects.

BLAIR
Message no. 27
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:33:50 +0000 (GMT)
|
|At 07:39 3/14/96 -0600, Mike wrote:
|[SNIP]
|
|>That stuff is easier than ever
|>
|>Star Wars could do great costumes almost 20 years ago, we can do better ones
|>now.
|>
|>Mike Broadwater
|
|You'd think that wouldn't you?. The industry took a great leap forward to do
|Star Wars. Its gone a bit stagnant since then. We need a new visionary to
|get a good SR movie. Even Ind. Light and Magic would have a hard time. Magic
|has always had a hard time translating to movies. Name one blockbuster that
|involved good magic effects.

Big trouble in little china wasn't all *that* bad.
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Message no. 28
From: "A. Blair Blackwell" <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:41:07 -0500
At 15:33 3/14/96 +0000, Mike wrote:
>|
>|At 07:39 3/14/96 -0600, Mike wrote:
>|[SNIP]
>|
>|>That stuff is easier than ever
>|>
>|>Star Wars could do great costumes almost 20 years ago, we can do better ones
>|>now.
>|>
>|>Mike Broadwater
>|
>|You'd think that wouldn't you?. The industry took a great leap forward to do
>|Star Wars. Its gone a bit stagnant since then. We need a new visionary to
>|get a good SR movie. Even Ind. Light and Magic would have a hard time. Magic
>|has always had a hard time translating to movies. Name one blockbuster that
>|involved good magic effects.
>
>Big trouble in little china wasn't all *that* bad.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....can't
breathe.....*gasp*..hahahahahahaha...too
funny.....hahahahahah*gasp*hahahahahah...not that bad....hahahahahahah.....
*URK* *CROAK*

The recently deceased (due to laughing too hard)

BLAIR
Message no. 29
From: paolo@*********.it (Paolo Marcucci)
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 17:55:13 +0100
At 10.41 14/03/96 -0500, A. Blair Blackwell wrote:
>Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....can't
>breathe.....*gasp*..hahahahahahaha...too
>funny.....hahahahahah*gasp*hahahahahah...not that bad....hahahahahahah.....
>*URK* *CROAK*
>
>The recently deceased (due to laughing too hard)

(seriuos look on, raising eyebrows, Sean Connery's voice etc...)

Actually, I quite liked that movie.

(seriuos look off)

Bye, Paolo
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Message no. 30
From: tsbtal@********.com (Tal Kedem)
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:59:45 -0500
On Mar 14, 1996 09:43:20, 'tsbtal@********.com (Tal Kedem)' wrote:


>Well, that's a bad example if I ever saw one, but If you want worse go see

>Robot Jox! :)

That, obviously, was a typo, I hoped to cancel it but I see it got through,
I made a "correct" post later, sorry :)

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Message no. 31
From: paolo@*********.it (Paolo Marcucci)
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 18:00:54 +0100
At 10.06 14/03/96 -0500, A. Blair Blackwell wrote:
>OK Tekwar wasn't that bad, but did any of you catch the RL TV movie called
>Generation X? It was based on the comic book of the same name, but it used
>real people. It was horrible! The SR world is too complex to translate to
>low-budget TV. It would be hard enough to make it into a good RL movie.
>Forget about RL TV. Best it could do on TV is a cartoon. A very dark
>cartoon. The kindred is going to have a very hard time of it to say the least.

Luckily, Shadowrun is not a comic. All the characters are only in our minds
and this has two effects: good and bad.

Good because they don't have to mimick anything, a producer is quite free on
scenography (sp?) and costumes, when they are "correctly" portraied into the
dark future typical of Gibsonesque fiction (I know Johnny Mnemonic kinda
sucks, but the elements are there, just trim them down to TV budget and
you're ok)

Bad because anyone have a different mental image of the Shadowrun world and
it will be for sure that meny of us will be disappointed is some way: matrix
sucks! magic sucks! trolls sucks! - well, this in any case :) -

Bye, Paolo
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Message no. 32
From: James Meiers <polbdm@***.unm.EDU>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:19:10 -0700 (MST)
Not willing to waste alot of space for this:
In some of the older sourcebooks, FASA used photographs of people and
thing for ads(this usually being in places SBs). One of the books(I
believe it was London) actually had a guy dressed up like an ork and
didn't look too unrealistic(considering). They also had a guy with those
cybereyes that cover the whole eye socket. the point is, it has been done
and it is possible. As for trolls, there used to be a TV show of the
movie "Harry and the hendersons"(Which was really lame, BTW) and I
figured if they can someone in a costume rouighgly 7 and a half or eihgt
feet tall for a weeklyshow, why can't they do the same for a troll who
definitley wouldn't have to worry about the hair issue.


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Message no. 33
From: James Meiers <polbdm@***.unm.EDU>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:21:46 -0700 (MST)
On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, Tal Kedem wrote:

> On Mar 13, 1996 22:30:50, 'James Meiers <polbdm@***.unm.EDU>' wrote:
>
>
> >> >Sorry, but Sam says their working on a live action battletech movie
> >> >first, through the turner company that did "The Mask". He
couldn't say
>
> >> >much about it though, because they were in negotiations and that could
>
> >> >have been a legal impropriety or some such...
> >> >
> >> >Nutcracker
> >>
> >> Well the Battletech "Cartoon" was bad, I could easily see FASA and
...
> >> turner so it seems ... making a pretty good Battletech "Movie".
Hope it
>
> >> has the clans in it!
> >
> >Why is it than when I read this the movie Robot Jox comes to mind? If
> >they make a movie like that, it will _bomb_ like nothing else.
>
> Well, that's a bad example if I ever saw one, but If you want worse go see
> Robot Jox! :)
Um, I did say Robot Jox. Maybe you should read the comments more
carefully next time.
>
> --
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>

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Message no. 34
From: Sgt Pepper <GRBENNET@*****.CIS.ECU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 96 13:38:16 EST
On Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:19:10 -0700 (MST) James Meiers said:
>Not willing to waste alot of space for this:
>In some of the older sourcebooks, FASA used photographs of people and
>thing for ads(this usually being in places SBs). One of the books(I
>believe it was London) actually had a guy dressed up like an ork and
>didn't look too unrealistic(considering). They also had a guy with those
>cybereyes that cover the whole eye socket. the point is, it has been done
>and it is possible. As for trolls, there used to be a TV show of the
>movie "Harry and the hendersons"(Which was really lame, BTW) and I
>figured if they can someone in a costume rouighgly 7 and a half or eihgt
>feet tall for a weeklyshow, why can't they do the same for a troll who
>definitley wouldn't have to worry about the hair issue.
>
>
Yeah, what about that guy that played Jaws in the 007 movies. If he was
willing to put those metal teeth in his mouth, Im sure a little troll make-
up wouldnt bother him. And the guy that played Chewbacca, he was rather tall.

(Ill stop babbling now)

Sgt Pepper


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Message no. 35
From: "A. Blair Blackwell" <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:58:02 -0500
At 11:19 3/14/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Not willing to waste alot of space for this:
>In some of the older sourcebooks, FASA used photographs of people and
>thing for ads(this usually being in places SBs). One of the books(I
>believe it was London) actually had a guy dressed up like an ork and
>didn't look too unrealistic(considering). They also had a guy with those
>cybereyes that cover the whole eye socket. the point is, it has been done
>and it is possible. As for trolls, there used to be a TV show of the
>movie "Harry and the hendersons"(Which was really lame, BTW) and I
>figured if they can someone in a costume rouighgly 7 and a half or eihgt
>feet tall for a weeklyshow, why can't they do the same for a troll who
>definitley wouldn't have to worry about the hair issue.
>
>
>"How many times do I have to tell you? Don't shoot the nuclear weapons!."
> -John Travolta, "Broken Arrow"
> "Be cool. You... Be cool"
> -George Clooney, "From Dusk Till Dawn"
> Visit Me At: http://www.arc.unm.edu/~polbdm/home.html
>
>

The guy how originally palyed Harry in the movie of the same name was the
same guy who played Chewbacca.(I believe he has since passed on. RIP) His
replacement was one of the BF's from the TV show "227". Both of these
gentlmen where very tall already. The costume hadvery little to do with it.

BLAIR
Message no. 36
From: "A. Blair Blackwell" <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:00:33 -0500
At 13:38 3/14/96 EST, you wrote:
[SNIP] (already responded to that)

>Yeah, what about that guy that played Jaws in the 007 movies. If he was
>willing to put those metal teeth in his mouth, Im sure a little troll make-
>up wouldnt bother him. And the guy that played Chewbacca, he was rather tall.
>
>(Ill stop babbling now)
>
>Sgt Pepper
>

FYI: I think those are his REAL teeth. While they did add a bit he already
is a dentists worse nightmare.

BLAIR
Message no. 37
From: paolo@*********.it (Paolo Marcucci)
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 17:55:13 +0100
Paolo:

>At 10.41 14/03/96 -0500, A. Blair Blackwell wrote:
>>Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....can't
>>breathe.....*gasp*..hahahahahahaha...too
>>funny.....hahahahahah*gasp*hahahahahah...not that bad....hahahahahahah.....
>>*URK* *CROAK*
>>
>>The recently deceased (due to laughing too hard)
>
>(seriuos look on, raising eyebrows, Sean Connery's voice etc...)
>
>Actually, I quite liked that movie.
>
>(seriuos look off)
>
>Bye, Paolo

I'm with you Paolo. I not only liked it, I loved it. Of course it's not
for everyone, but what movie is?

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something seriously wrong here."
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"All I know is this guy appears in the middle of a god D*mn alley while
his buddies are flying around on wires cuttin' everyone to shreds, and
he just stands there, with light coming out of mouth!"
"Lo-pan appeared on the street? Wang Chi, why didn't you tell me?"
"It didn't happen uncle chou, not like he said."
"Yeah it did uncle chou, two hours ago. Tall guy, weird clothes, first
you see him then you don't."

--
U-Gene << "It's all in the reflexes" >>

>____________________________________________________________
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Message no. 38
From: Kenneth Horner <kwhorner@*******.edu>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:52:49 -0800 (PST)
On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, A. Blair Blackwell wrote:

> At 07:39 3/14/96 -0600, Mike wrote:
> [SNIP]
>
> >That stuff is easier than ever
> >
> >Star Wars could do great costumes almost 20 years ago, we can do better ones
> >now.
> >
> >Mike Broadwater
>
> You'd think that wouldn't you?. The industry took a great leap forward to do
> Star Wars. Its gone a bit stagnant since then. We need a new visionary to
> get a good SR movie. Even Ind. Light and Magic would have a hard time. Magic
> has always had a hard time translating to movies. Name one blockbuster that
> involved good magic effects.
>
> BLAIR
>
>
Does that include "the force"?

Nutcracker
Message no. 39
From: Kenneth Horner <kwhorner@*******.edu>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:52:49 -0800 (PST)
Blair:
>>At 07:39 3/14/96 -0600, Mike wrote:
>>[SNIP]
>>
>>>That stuff is easier than ever
>>>
>>Star Wars could do great costumes almost 20 years ago, we can do better ones
>>>now.
>>>
>>>Mike Broadwater
>>
>> You'd think that wouldn't you?. The industry took a great leap forward to do
>> Star Wars. Its gone a bit stagnant since then. We need a new visionary to
>> get a good SR movie. Even Ind. Light and Magic would have a hard time. Magic
>> has always had a hard time translating to movies. Name one blockbuster that
>> involved good magic effects.
>>
>> BLAIR
>>
>>
>Does that include "the force"?
>
What about Lord of Illusions?

>Nutcracker

U-Gene << hmmm...drawin' blanks >>
Message no. 40
From: James Meiers <polbdm@***.unm.EDU>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 17:45:24 -0700 (MST)
On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, A. Blair Blackwell wrote:

> At 13:38 3/14/96 EST, you wrote:
> [SNIP about "Jaws"]
>
> FYI: I think those are his REAL teeth. While they did add a bit he already
> is a dentists worse nightmare.
I don't think so. I remember an interview with him, and his teeth were
quite normal.

>
> BLAIR
>


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Message no. 41
From: Sgt Pepper <GRBENNET@*****.CIS.ECU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 96 20:33:14 EST
On Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:00:33 -0500 A. Blair Blackwell said:
>At 13:38 3/14/96 EST, you wrote:
>[SNIP] (already responded to that)
>
>>Yeah, what about that guy that played Jaws in the 007 movies. If he was
>>willing to put those metal teeth in his mouth, Im sure a little troll make-
>>up wouldnt bother him. And the guy that played Chewbacca, he was rather tall.
>>
>>(Ill stop babbling now)
>>
>>Sgt Pepper
>>
>
>FYI: I think those are his REAL teeth. While they did add a bit he already
>is a dentists worse nightmare.
>
>BLAIR
>
I saw him in a commercial once, he had regular (if a bit ugly looking) teeth
The metal was added just for the Bond movies.

Sgt Pepper
Message no. 42
From: fauxpas@******.net (Faux Pas)
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:30:26 -0600
>>> You'd think that wouldn't you?. The industry took a great leap forward to do
>>> Star Wars. Its gone a bit stagnant since then. We need a new visionary to
>>> get a good SR movie. Even Ind. Light and Magic would have a hard time. Magic
>>> has always had a hard time translating to movies. Name one blockbuster that
>>> involved good magic effects.

>What about Lord of Illusions?

Both _Big Trouble in Little China_ and _Lord of Illusions_ are far from
being called blockbuster films.

How about _Fantasia_?

-Thomas Deeny
Cartoonist At Large

"Fear and suppression: the twin cornerstones of good government."
-Lord Gessler, _Crossbow_
Message no. 43
From: Benjamin <benjamin@*****.com>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 21:51:11 PST
>>>> You'd think that wouldn't you?. The industry took a great leap forward to
do
>>>>> Star Wars. Its gone a bit stagnant since then. We need a new
visionary to
>>>> get a good SR movie. Even Ind. Light and Magic would have a hard time.
Magic
>>>> has always had a hard time translating to movies. Name one blockbuster
that
>>>> involved good magic effects.
>
>>What about Lord of Illusions?
>
>Both _Big Trouble in Little China_ and _Lord of Illusions_ are far from
>being called blockbuster films.
>
>How about _Fantasia_?
>

Uh... Right... You aren't serious, are you?

>-Thomas Deeny
>Cartoonist At Large
>
>"Fear and suppression: the twin cornerstones of good government."
> -Lord Gessler, _Crossbow_


--
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Message no. 44
From: "Andre' Selmer" <031ANDRE@******.wits.ac.za>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 09:10:04 GMT + 2:00
As for trolls, there used to be a TV show of the
@ movie "Harry and the hendersons"(Which was really lame, BTW) and I
@ figured if they can someone in a costume rouighgly 7 and a half or eihgt
@ feet tall for a weeklyshow, why can't they do the same for a troll who
@ definitley wouldn't have to worry about the hair issue.
@
The problem arises that the hair issues hides all the facts like
muscles rippling, chnages in expression etc. But thereagain the troll
is covered in dermals so it wouldn't make that much of a difference.



Andre'

-- We exist because you want us to, because you are
|__|__ afraid to fact the facts. We are what you fear
/\ /\ \ in the deep recesses of your soul, yourselves.
|\ /\ /| | It is there in the shadows of your soul and those
|/ \/ \| | of the street that we exist. Through the use of
\/__\/ might, magic, cunning, blood, sweat and tears we
protect you from your fears, from youselves, from
others and keep your utopia, not ours, intact.
Message no. 45
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:58:26 +0100
Tal Kedem said on 14 Mar 96...

> And it's budget was $5 mil, small even back then. I think that as long as
> the people who make it:
>
> a) Try to get decent acting
> b) Don't rely solely on special effects
> -And-
> c) Have a DETAILED and DEEP plot
>
> It'll be okay :)

You'd also have to have

d) a writer, a director, producer, and everyone else who has
something to say about how the movie looks and feels, who
knows the Shadowrun world like their pocket, and does not
want to compromise it for the dumb majority's sake...

All in all, not very likely :)


I'll also add that I wouldn't go and see it, unless perhaps absolutely
everyone I know (especially those on this list) would tell me it was real
cool and very much the Shadowrun as I know it from the novels and
sourcebooks.
I read Johnny Mnemonic a few years ago, and I liked it. But I didn't go
see the movie, for exactly that reason. I'm also still wondering whether
or not I should rent Interview With The Vampire, seeing that I've read the
book, and cannot place any of the clips I've seen of the movie...

As for a Shadowrun movie or TV show, well... maybe if they ever made
serious plans for that kind of thing, they'd do better IMHO to invest the
money in expanding their SR department or something.

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
And it's a problem that we can't mend, because it happened once, it
will happen again.
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Message no. 46
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:58:26 +0100
Mike Broadwater said on 14 Mar 96...

> Star Wars could do great costumes almost 20 years ago, we can do better ones
> now.

Nah, now they'd just try to use computers for everything... Look at
Jumanji or whatever the hell that's called. Wouldn't it be easier to let a
real elephant walk over some steps, and cut the footage in such a way that
it looks like it's walking over a car? Or let the elephant walk over the
car if you don't much care about animal rights activists? It'd look more
realistic, IMHO... (At least, from the clips I've seen it looks distinctly
like a computer-generated elephant.)

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
And it's a problem that we can't mend, because it happened once, it
will happen again.
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Message no. 47
From: Roger Ramirez <chariot@*******.net>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 09:55:19 -0500 (EST)
At 10:58 AM 3/15/96 +0100, you wrote:
>Tal Kedem said on 14 Mar 96...
>
>> And it's budget was $5 mil, small even back then. I think that as long as
>> the people who make it:
>>
>> a) Try to get decent acting
>> b) Don't rely solely on special effects
>> -And-
>> c) Have a DETAILED and DEEP plot
>>
>> It'll be okay :)
>
>You'd also have to have
>
> d) a writer, a director, producer, and everyone else who has
> something to say about how the movie looks and feels, who
> knows the Shadowrun world like their pocket, and does not
> want to compromise it for the dumb majority's sake...
>

Ok Gurth... I nominate you for the writer/directer/producer/and everyone
else! :)
--
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Check out my home page at...
http://www.icanect.net/~chariot
Now finally with some content. (although very little)
Message no. 48
From: Robert Watkins <robertdw@*******.com.au>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 96 00:38:29 +1030
>> [SNIP about "Jaws"]
>>
>> FYI: I think those are his REAL teeth. While they did add a bit he already
>> is a dentists worse nightmare.
>I don't think so. I remember an interview with him, and his teeth were
>quite normal.

Maybe they paid him enough for some dentures?


--
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Message no. 49
From: fauxpas@******.net (Faux Pas)
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:45:06 -0600
>>Both _Big Trouble in Little China_ and _Lord of Illusions_ are far from
>>being called blockbuster films.
>>
>>How about _Fantasia_?
>
>Uh... Right... You aren't serious, are you?

The one scene that most people remember from _Fantasia_ is Mickey's
"Sorcerer's Apprentice" bit. Animated magic, but magic none the less.

Come to think about it, I'm not certain if _Fantasia_ was well received at
the box office when it opened. _Fantasia_ did have some incredible video
purchase sales.

Like the man said, that's the only successful movie I can think of that
included magic. Even _Willow_ didn't do well in the theater.

-Thomas Deeny
Cartoonist At Large

"Fear and suppression: the twin cornerstones of good government."
-Lord Gessler, _Crossbow_
Message no. 50
From: neon@******.backbone.olemiss.edu (Mike Broadwater)
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:43:14 -0600
>>You'd also have to have
>>
>> d) a writer, a director, producer, and everyone else who has
>> something to say about how the movie looks and feels, who
>> knows the Shadowrun world like their pocket, and does not
>> want to compromise it for the dumb majority's sake...
>>
>
>Ok Gurth... I nominate you for the writer/directer/producer/and everyone
>else! :)
>--
>chariot@*******.net
Wow, you really _hate_ Gurth, don't you? :)

Mike Broadwater
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon
"You only need two things in this world. WD40 to make things go, and
duct tape to make them stop."
Message no. 51
From: Bob <R3EGK@***.CC.UAKRON.EDU>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 96 15:07:27 EST
hey Blair...you better not let U-Gene see you laughing at Big Trouble... thats
his most favoritist movie in the whole world...he knows every line, ok maybe
almost every line :)
--<<<<Warning in Wadsworth>>>>--
"All I wanted to do was get a burrito, and you f***ing punks had to bug me just
because I was walking through the barrens with an Uzi III TM in my hand, well
that's why your dead and I'm eating a burrito, If I'm carrying a gun through th
e barrens in the middle of the afternoon, it's for a good reason"(eating burrit
to number 6)
--Bob (ya gotta keep those superthyroids goin ya know)
Message no. 52
From: TopCat <topcat@******.net>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:41:58 -0600
>Star Wars could do great costumes almost 20 years ago, we can do better ones
>now.

I hope we can do better ones now, foam rubber was state-of-the-art back in
the 70's but now that I go back and look at some of those things I wonder
why I was so amazed with them. Was probably because I was a lot younger and
far more easily entertained.

I anxiously await the redone films...


------------------------------------------------------------
* Bob Ooton -- <topcat@******.net> *
* Golden Tiger Association -- Submission Fighting Team *
------------------------------------------------------------
* With the speed of a striking cobra he pulled his machine *
* pistol and jammed the muzzle against Mozart's nose. "I *
* put my gun on rock and roll, there nothing left of you *
* but ears, man." -- "Mozart in Mirrorshades" *
------------------------------------------------------------
Message no. 53
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 18:14:32 +0000 (GMT)
|
|hey Blair...you better not let U-Gene see you laughing at Big Trouble... thats
|his most favoritist movie in the whole world...he knows every line, ok maybe
|almost every line :)
|--<<<<Warning in Wadsworth>>>>--
|"All I wanted to do was get a burrito, and you f***ing punks had to bug me just
| because I was walking through the barrens with an Uzi III TM in my hand, well
|that's why your dead and I'm eating a burrito, If I'm carrying a gun through th
|e barrens in the middle of the afternoon, it's for a good reason"(eating burrit
|to number 6)
| --Bob (ya gotta keep those superthyroids goin ya know)
|

You *do* realise that this is for OOC discussions don't you?
I think you want shadowTK.
--
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|u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk |the ground beneath a giant boulder, which you can't |
| |move, with no hope of rescue. |
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Message no. 54
From: Marizhavashti Kali <xenya@********.com>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 11:17:35 -0800 (PST)
On Sun, 17 Mar 1996, A Halliwell wrote:

> You *do* realise that this is for OOC discussions don't you?
> I think you want shadowTK.

I think he was simply modifying a movie quote to fit SRun...

Deirdre M. Brooks | xenya@********.com | Marizhavashti Kali
"Whose religion is this?" "It's not a religion, it's a cult."
"Whose cult
is this?" "It's Hubbard's cult, baby." "Who's Hubbard?"
"Hubbard's dead,
baby. Hubbard's dead." -Meme-
Message no. 55
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 19:45:40 +0000 (GMT)
|
|On Sun, 17 Mar 1996, A Halliwell wrote:
|
|> You *do* realise that this is for OOC discussions don't you?
|> I think you want shadowTK.
|
|I think he was simply modifying a movie quote to fit SRun...

I'm not too sure. It was in a shadowtk(ish) format.....
--
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| |What to do if you find yourself stuck in a crack in |
|u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk |the ground beneath a giant boulder, which you can't |
| |move, with no hope of rescue. |
|Andrew Halliwell |Consider how lucky you are that life has been good |
|Principal subjects in:-|to you so far... |
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Message no. 56
From: TopCat <topcat@******.net>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 13:55:07 -0600
>[snipped the *.sig]

>>> You *do* realise that this is for OOC discussions don't you?
>>> I think you want shadowTK.

>>|I think he was simply modifying a movie quote to fit SRun...

>I'm not too sure. It was in a shadowtk(ish) format.....

Looks to me like a character quote from a game session, doesn't appear to be
in ShadowTK format, either (unless it changed a lot since last I was there).
Just a standard quote (and a humorous one as well) :)


------------------------------------------------------------
* Bob Ooton -- <topcat@******.net> *
* Golden Tiger Association -- Submission Fighting Team *
------------------------------------------------------------
* With the speed of a striking cobra he pulled his machine *
* pistol and jammed the muzzle against Mozart's nose. "I *
* put my gun on rock and roll, there nothing left of you *
* but ears, man." -- "Mozart in Mirrorshades" *
------------------------------------------------------------
Message no. 57
From: gilean@****.muscanet.com (Kurt Montgomery)
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:38:33 -0600
>>Ok ok ok... so maybe they'll have trouble doing a Drawf
>Ewoks
>>and a Troll.
>Chembacca

Hello?!? Chewbacca was person-sized Trolls are nearly 3-meters tall!!!

>>Orks and Elves shouldn't be too hard. As for the magic?
>Lightsabers
>> Well... I suppose the
>>low budget of a tv series might not be too good. As for the matrix.
>That stuff is easier than ever
>
>Star Wars could do great costumes almost 20 years ago, we can do better ones
>now.
>
>Mike Broadwater
>http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon
>"You only need two things in this world. WD40 to make things go, and
>duct tape to make them stop."
>
>
>
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Message no. 58
From: Marizhavashti Kali <xenya@********.com>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 19:38:12 -0800 (PST)
On Sun, 17 Mar 1996, A Halliwell wrote:

> |I think he was simply modifying a movie quote to fit SRun...
>
> I'm not too sure. It was in a shadowtk(ish) format.....

That wasn't my impression, but hey...

Deirdre M. Brooks | xenya@********.com | Marizhavashti Kali
"Whose religion is this?" "It's not a religion, it's a cult."
"Whose cult
is this?" "It's Hubbard's cult, baby." "Who's Hubbard?"
"Hubbard's dead,
baby. Hubbard's dead." -Meme-
Message no. 59
From: neon@******.backbone.olemiss.edu (Mike Broadwater)
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 07:27:53 -0600
>>>Ok ok ok... so maybe they'll have trouble doing a Drawf
>>Ewoks
>>>and a Troll.
>>Chembacca
>
>Hello?!? Chewbacca was person-sized Trolls are nearly 3-meters tall!!!
Chewbacca is like 7-8 feet tall. That was 20 years ago. Just because
they're tall(ok, really tall) doesn't mean it can't be done.

Mike Broadwater
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon
"You only need two things in this world. WD40 to make things go, and
duct tape to make them stop."
Message no. 60
From: "Sedah Drol" <CCRODRIG@****.indstate.edu>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 14:11:04 EST
> >>>Ok ok ok... so maybe they'll have trouble doing a Drawf
> >>Ewoks
> >>>and a Troll.
> >>Chembacca
> >
> >Hello?!? Chewbacca was person-sized Trolls are nearly 3-meters tall!!!
> Chewbacca is like 7-8 feet tall. That was 20 years ago. Just because
> they're tall(ok, really tall) doesn't mean it can't be done.
3 meters is roughly three yards which is equal to 9 ft, so it is very
feasible. Hell look how big the Jaba the Hut muppet was. I could
see Andre the Giant playing a troll. He's almost the right height.
---Sedah Drol
Message no. 61
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 12:16:11 -0700 (MST)
Sedah Drol wrote:
|
|> >Hello?!? Chewbacca was person-sized Trolls are nearly 3-meters tall!!!
|> Chewbacca is like 7-8 feet tall. That was 20 years ago. Just because
|> they're tall(ok, really tall) doesn't mean it can't be done.
|
|3 meters is roughly three yards which is equal to 9 ft, so it is very
|feasible. Hell look how big the Jaba the Hut muppet was. I could
|see Andre the Giant playing a troll. He's almost the right height.

Um...Andre is dead :(

-David

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Message no. 62
From: "Meredith L. Patterson" <ST5F2@******.UH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:39:04 -0600 (CST)
>I could see Andre the Giant playing a troll. He's almost the right height.

Unfortunately, medical science has not yet advanced to the point where Andre
the Giant could play another movie role. He died of a heart attack; it wasn't
long after the movie _The Princess Bride_ came out, if I'm not mistaken.

Regards,
Meredith
Message no. 63
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 14:51:23 -0500 (EST)
On Tue, 19 Mar 1996, Sedah Drol wrote:

> 3 meters is roughly three yards which is equal to 9 ft, so it is very
> feasible. Hell look how big the Jaba the Hut muppet was. I could
> see Andre the Giant playing a troll. He's almost the right height.

That would be tough, considering they'd have to dig him outta six
feet of dirt to read for the part. Death puts a crimp in one's acting
career, don'tcha know. ;)

Marc
Message no. 64
From: Hairy Smurf <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 16:11:25 -0500 (EST)
On Tue, 19 Mar 1996, Sedah Drol wrote:

>
> 3 meters is roughly three yards which is equal to 9 ft, so it is very
> feasible. Hell look how big the Jaba the Hut muppet was. I could
> see Andre the Giant playing a troll. He's almost the right height.
> ---Sedah Drol
>
Andre is dead. RIP
Message no. 65
From: Kenneth Horner <kwhorner@*******.edu>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 14:56:52 -0800 (PST)
On Tue, 19 Mar 1996, Sedah Drol wrote:

>
> > >>>Ok ok ok... so maybe they'll have trouble doing a Drawf
> > >>Ewoks
> > >>>and a Troll.
> > >>Chembacca
> > >
> > >Hello?!? Chewbacca was person-sized Trolls are nearly 3-meters tall!!!
> > Chewbacca is like 7-8 feet tall. That was 20 years ago. Just because
> > they're tall(ok, really tall) doesn't mean it can't be done.
> 3 meters is roughly three yards which is equal to 9 ft, so it is very
> feasible. Hell look how big the Jaba the Hut muppet was. I could
> see Andre the Giant playing a troll. He's almost the right height.

He's currently hoizontal due to a fatal heart attack.
> ---Sedah Drol
>
Message no. 66
From: "Sedah Drol" <CCRODRIG@****.indstate.edu>
Subject: Re: Nemesis, another bad Shadowrunny movie <WAS: New GM and
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 12:24:43 EST
> Sedah Drol wrote:
> |
> |> >Hello?!? Chewbacca was person-sized Trolls are nearly 3-meters tall!!!
> |> Chewbacca is like 7-8 feet tall. That was 20 years ago. Just because
> |> they're tall(ok, really tall) doesn't mean it can't be done.
> |
> |3 meters is roughly three yards which is equal to 9 ft, so it is very
> |feasible. Hell look how big the Jaba the Hut muppet was. I could
> |see Andre the Giant playing a troll. He's almost the right height.
>
> Um...Andre is dead :(
Whoops, I didn't know that. Never mind then.
---Sedah Drol

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