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Message no. 1
From: Shadow Shadow <b2414@******.IUT-ORSAY.FR>
Subject: Net and Money
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 13:50:38 WET
I think the cost is pretty important, but I don't see the right cost.
I've prepared a plan to design a system, but don't see the prices.


You must first choose the security rating you want.
The price of ALL components(Hardware and Software) would depend of
that rating.

Then, here comes the hardware:

You must then buy (or design) a CPU wich corresponds to the security
rating AND to the TOTAL load of the global system (perhaps to the
number of SPU).

Then, you must buy SPUs, wich would have the load of the nodes they'll
have to manage, and their own load rating.

Then you must buy the other nodes.

If some of the SAN's are in contact of the net, you must pay to be
linked to it(perhaps would it be a monthly loan).


Then, the software:

I suppose all the nodes come with their base operations in hardware, but
for others, you'll have to design special programs.
(big part of the work)

Then you must buy ICE (wich cost very much).


If you want your nodes not to look classical, you have to design or buy
some chips OR soft, but the soft would cost lower, but would use 1/4 of
the rating of the node.

What do you think of this?


If don't like it,

I THWAP you with a WET CARP noise.



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Message no. 2
From: Role Playing Manager <MORIA@*****.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Net and Money
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 13:50:49 GMT
I'll try to answer by following your plan:

1 - Choose the level of security:
I agree, but you must be aware thet sometimes it's necessary to have
different levels of security in your system.

2 - choose CPU
I think that the number of SPUs is not important.
I would prefer to give a CPU a max number of SPU. If you're higher, you
need a 2nd CPU.

3 - Buy nodes
OK!

4 - Buy the connection to the matrix
Price will depends of you architecture ( Size and power )

5 - Software
Buy them and install them. Price is independant from your system

> What do you think of this?
> If don't like it,
> I THWAP you with a WET CARP noise.

Don't THWAP, that's not necessary! I agree on most of the points you
presented.

BTW, Hi french chummer! ;)


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Message no. 3
From: Shadow Shadow <b2414@******.IUT-ORSAY.FR>
Subject: Re: Net and Money
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 14:17:03 WET
> 2 - choose CPU
> I think that the number of SPUs is not important.
> I would prefer to give a CPU a max number of SPU. If you're higher, you
> need a 2nd CPU.

NO!! You can't have more than 1 CPU in a System,
but you can buy a more powerfull one.


> 4 - Buy the connection to the matrix
> Price will depends of you architecture ( Size and power )

Perhaps will it depend more of the rate of exchange with the net.
( the load rating of the SAN).

> 5 - Software
> Buy them and install them. Price is independant from your system

OK, but, it's not from it's rating.

8-) Salut a toi !!!

Shadow (b2414@******.iut-orsay.fr)
Message no. 4
From: Role Playing Manager <moria@*****.EERIE.FR>
Subject: Re: Net and Money
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 16:28:24 GMT
> 2- choose CPU
> NO!! You can't have more than 1 CPU in a System,
> but you can buy a more powerfull one.

So you have to define also a level of power. Or the level is linked with the level of
security, and therefore, if you don't want a high level of security, you can't have a
powerful CPU. That's the reason why I proposed to take a second CPU.

> 4 - Buy the connection to the matrix
> Perhaps will it depend more of the rate of exchange with the net.
> ( the load rating of the SAN).

Yes! it's like a fee for a certain amout of time ( a month, a year,...)

> > 5 - Software
> OK, but, it's not from its rating.

I don't know, but I think that 2 ICE program level X are the same price, regardless to the
system rating

> 8-) Salut a toi !!!

;)


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Message no. 5
From: Richard Pieri <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Net and Money
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 12:18:56 -0500
There is one /very/ important thing that people seem to be forgetting about
SR's computers: they're abstracted. A ``system'' has a single ``node'' called
the ``CPU.'' There could be literally millions of physical processors in
the machine (a massively parallel system), but Shadowrun still treats them
as a single ``CPU'' as far as the netrunner is concerned. Don't confuse
real-world terminology with Shadowrun terminology, they don't meant the
same things.

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Message no. 6
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@***.GWU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Net and Money
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 14:25:18 -0500
All your points are, IMHO, correct. But, the reasons for the cost
are no different than they are today.
For example, a system on the Internet usually relies heavily on
its front door security (if you don't know the login: and Password:, you
can't get in.) But, there are a number of back doors out there, and on
some systems there are ways to monitor what other people type (or so I've
heard -- I don't know how, so don't ask me.)
Which leads to the need for more security, on each node
(subsystem, subsite, whatever.) And for periodic security checks, usually
run automatically by specialized software.
See, its not all that different after all...just cooler.

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