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Message no. 1
From: bull@*********.com (Bull)
Subject: Neverwinter Shadowruns (was RE: Shadowout, or maybe Fallrun 2)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 05:53:03 -0500
I would love to be able to do something shadowrunish with NWN. Sure, it's
d20 based, and we all know how much I love d20 (And for those of you who
don't know... Well, I like d20 just a bit more than I like a root canal or
getting kicked in the mommy-daddy button).

Still, it has an awesome Toolset editor so you can create entire modules
and do a lot of fun stuff with it. There's a group working on a d20 modern
conversion hakpak, and if they ever get that working, I might play with it
and see what I can do. If it works, ooooo..... Much with the fun. :]

Bull
Message no. 2
From: graht1@*******.com (David Buehrer)
Subject: Neverwinter Shadowruns (was RE: Shadowout, or maybe Fallrun 2)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 08:00:18 -0700
>From: Bull <bull@*********.com>
>
>I would love to be able to do something shadowrunish with NWN. Sure, it's
>d20 based, and we all know how much I love d20 (And for those of you who
>don't know... Well, I like d20 just a bit more than I like a root canal or
>getting kicked in the mommy-daddy button).
>
>Still, it has an awesome Toolset editor so you can create entire modules
>and do a lot of fun stuff with it. There's a group working on a d20 modern
>conversion hakpak, and if they ever get that working, I might play with it
>and see what I can do. If it works, ooooo..... Much with the fun. :]

NWN definitely has the easiest to use toolset I've ever seen :) Please let
us know when the modern conversion hakpak is finished. I will probably give
it a go.

I wish there was a user friendly toolset for Deus Ex :/ For that matter, I
wish I knew how to use CAD programs (I've tried to use UT's Editor several
times, but I just don't get it :( )

-Graht

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Message no. 3
From: The_Sarge@***.de (MatthÀus_Cebulla)
Subject: Neverwinter Shadowruns (was RE: Shadowout, or maybeFallrun 2)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 17:51:05 +0100
> Please inform this unhip paper gamer what you are talking about, and how
it
> relates to something I can do. OK?
> --Anders

Erm...

You are online (meaning here: connected to the internet and knowing how to
use it.), but don't know what Neverwinter Nights, Deus Ex, Unreal Tournament
or even CAD are? *truly suprised*

. . .

Strange times indeed.

That's by no means an insult.
I'm just startled.

Matthäus
Message no. 4
From: crusader-x@*******.net (E.L.King)
Subject: Neverwinter Shadowruns (was RE: Shadowout, or maybeFallrun 2)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 12:12:56 -0500
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Neverwinter Nights is a D&D 3rd Edition Computer RPG. It can be played
as a single player game, or in multiplayer mode on a LAN (Local Area
Network) or over the internet. It has a Toolset which allows players
to design their own adventures.

Unreal Tournament is a 1st Person Shooter Computer Game which allows
you to pick up neat weapons and blow lots of things up. Most often
played in multiplayer as described above.

Deus Ex is also more of a 1st shooter than a RPG.

CAD stands for Computer Aided/Assisted Design

Hope this helps.

Erick___________________________________
"We are dreamers, shapers, singers, and makers."
On Mar 4, 2004, at 11:51 AM, Matthäus Cebulla wrote:

>> Please inform this unhip paper gamer what you are talking about, and
>> how
> it
>> relates to something I can do. OK?
>> --Anders
> Erm...
>
> You are online (meaning here: connected to the internet and knowing
> how to
> use it.), but don't know what Neverwinter Nights, Deus Ex, Unreal
> Tournament
> or even CAD are? *truly suprised*
> . . .
> Strange times indeed.
>
> That's by no means an insult.
> I'm just startled.
>
> Matthäus
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Message no. 5
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Neverwinter Shadowruns (was RE: Shadowout, or maybeFallrun 2)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 19:32:41 +0100
According to Matthäus Cebulla, on Thursday 04 March 2004 17:51 the word on
the street was...

> You are online (meaning here: connected to the internet and knowing how
> to use it.), but don't know what Neverwinter Nights, Deus Ex, Unreal
> Tournament or even CAD are? *truly suprised*

Erm... I know what CAD is (I used to do some stuff with AutoCAD 10-15 years
ago but haven't had a use for CAD software since then) and I've seen
Unreal get played (I think -- in any case I recognize the name as
belonging to a first-person shooter game, IIRC) but the others...?

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Message no. 6
From: dv8@*************.com (Dennis)
Subject: Neverwinter Shadowruns (was RE: Shadowout, or maybeFallrun 2)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 21:09:05 +0100
> According to Matthäus Cebulla, on Thursday 04 March 2004 17:51 the word on
> the street was...
>
> > You are online (meaning here: connected to the internet and knowing how
> > to use it.), but don't know what Neverwinter Nights, Deus Ex, Unreal
> > Tournament or even CAD are? *truly suprised*
>
> Erm... I know what CAD is (I used to do some stuff with AutoCAD 10-15
years
> ago but haven't had a use for CAD software since then) and I've seen
> Unreal get played (I think -- in any case I recognize the name as
> belonging to a first-person shooter game, IIRC) but the others...?

I think what Matthaus is trying to say, Gurth, is that since you are (well)
connected to the Internet, you are almost unmistakably confronted with the
wonderful concept of www.google.com. Hell, even if you're not connected to
the Internet; it seems to have ranked third among the top five easiest
recognisable brands, after Apple and Coca Cola. So a quick google search
would've given you all the information you would've needed to figure out
what the other things were. Instead, you chose to wear your ignorance like a
badge of honour.

Regards,

Dennis
http://www.wiredreflexes.com
Message no. 7
From: graht1@*******.com (David Buehrer)
Subject: Neverwinter Shadowruns (was RE: Shadowout, or maybeFallrun 2)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 15:54:43 -0700
>From: "Dennis" <dv8@*************.com>
>
> > According to Matthäus Cebulla, on Thursday 04 March 2004 17:51 the word
>on
> > the street was...
> >
> > > You are online (meaning here: connected to the internet and knowing
>how
> > > to use it.), but don't know what Neverwinter Nights, Deus Ex, Unreal
> > > Tournament or even CAD are? *truly suprised*
> >
> > Erm... I know what CAD is (I used to do some stuff with AutoCAD 10-15
>years
> > ago but haven't had a use for CAD software since then) and I've seen
> > Unreal get played (I think -- in any case I recognize the name as
> > belonging to a first-person shooter game, IIRC) but the others...?
>
>I think what Matthaus is trying to say, Gurth, is that since you are (well)
>connected to the Internet, you are almost unmistakably confronted with the
>wonderful concept of www.google.com. Hell, even if you're not connected to
>the Internet; it seems to have ranked third among the top five easiest
>recognisable brands, after Apple and Coca Cola. So a quick google search
>would've given you all the information you would've needed to figure out
>what the other things were. Instead, you chose to wear your ignorance like
>a
>badge of honour.

Speaking of ignorance :) are you aware that almost all European list members
(and list members of many other countries) have to pay for their online time
by the minute? It is much more cost effective for them to ask a question
via email and then send that email (a few seconds of connection time) then
it is for them to spend several minutes searching via Google.

Not everyone has easy/cheap access to the internet. On the other hand they
laugh at the United States poor excuse for mobile phones, so I guess we're
even ;)

-Graht

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Message no. 8
From: dv8@*************.com (Dennis)
Subject: Neverwinter Shadowruns (was RE: Shadowout, or maybeFallrun 2)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 08:55:41 +0100
> Speaking of ignorance :) are you aware that almost all
> European list members
> (and list members of many other countries) have to pay for
> their online time
> by the minute? It is much more cost effective for them to
> ask a question
> via email and then send that email (a few seconds of
> connection time) then
> it is for them to spend several minutes searching via Google.

Speaking of ignorance. :) I _am_ a European list member - in fact, I'm
Dutch, like Gurth is - and I know what state our infrastructure is in
and how many people are still on dail-up. I also know how much time it
takes to find said information and I think the difference is neglible.

> > Instead, you chose to wear your ignorance like a badge of honour.
> Gee, words like that could start such a flame war. I'm not
> biting, but please write nicely in the future. --Anders

It's easy to pick one sentence out of many and miss the core of the
message.

Dennis
http://www.wiredreflexes.com
Message no. 9
From: scott@**********.com (Scott Harrison)
Subject: Neverwinter Shadowruns (was RE: Shadowout, or maybeFallrun 2)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:17:09 -0500
On Mar 4, 2004, at 17:54, David Buehrer wrote:

>
> Speaking of ignorance :) are you aware that almost all European list
> members (and list members of many other countries) have to pay for
> their online time by the minute? It is much more cost effective for
> them to ask a question via email and then send that email (a few
> seconds of connection time) then it is for them to spend several
> minutes searching via Google.
>
> Not everyone has easy/cheap access to the internet. On the other hand
> they laugh at the United States poor excuse for mobile phones, so I
> guess we're even ;)
>
>
Actually, you can easily get DSL in Europe for 50 euros per month. In
most of France it is available (meaning little villages that look like
electricity is a recent addition) and if you use the right ISP you can
even get a static IP address for free. Tons of people I know in
Germany have it. My only complaint with my DSL in the mountains is my
slower speed -- but the point is that it is a flat rate.

The funny thing I find based on my experience is it is harder for me
to get good cheap high-speed Internet access in the States. In Reston,
Virginia, (basically the East Coast Internet capital), for example, my
house does not have DSL access. This is because the local phone
company does not want to invest money to put the proper electronics in
place. Luckily in the past few years cable modems have become
available. However, down the road about 5 miles a friend of mine who
has a brand new house in a brand new development does not have DSL
access (again because the phone company does not want to invest in
putting the DSL signal over light), and the local cable company does
not have Internet access. And I can go on about other locations in the
States with which I am familiar. :-)

Luckily in the world of SR, there is always a jack point within the
same block assuming you are in a city. ;-)

--
Scott Harrison PGP Key ID: 0x0f0b5b86
Message no. 10
From: graht1@*******.com (David Buehrer)
Subject: Neverwinter Shadowruns (was RE: Shadowout, or maybeFallrun 2)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 09:11:59 -0700
>From: "Dennis" <dv8@*************.com>
>
> > Speaking of ignorance :) are you aware that almost all
> > European list members
> > (and list members of many other countries) have to pay for
> > their online time
> > by the minute? It is much more cost effective for them to
> > ask a question
> > via email and then send that email (a few seconds of
> > connection time) then
> > it is for them to spend several minutes searching via Google.
>
>Speaking of ignorance. :) I _am_ a European list member - in fact, I'm
>Dutch, like Gurth is - and I know what state our infrastructure is in
>and how many people are still on dail-up. I also know how much time it
>takes to find said information and I think the difference is neglible.

Woops. Sorry bout that. I confused your email domain with someone else's,
and thought you lived in California :)

> > > Instead, you chose to wear your ignorance like a badge of honour.
> > Gee, words like that could start such a flame war. I'm not
> > biting, but please write nicely in the future. --Anders
>
>It's easy to pick one sentence out of many and miss the core of the
>message.

Yeah, but that's what happens in email... <shrug>

Hmmm.... getting a Shadowrun idea. The runners are hired for a simple
extraction (get a programmer out of one corp and deliver him to another).
Little do they know that the programmer just came up with a new search
algorithm that will blow every search engine out of the water. Of course
the runners don't find out how valuable the programmer is until after they
pull him and every corp worth it's salt sends teams after him. And of
course there's the twist: the programmer has the algorithm stored and
running on his deck and it's becomming sentient, or at the very least is
mimicing sentience, and doesn't want to be owned by anyone. The runners
will be faced with a moral dilemma whether or not to turn the program over
or let it go "free".

-Graht

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Message no. 11
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: Neverwinter Shadowruns (was RE: Shadowout, or maybeFallrun 2)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 19:34:28 +0100
> Hmmm.... getting a Shadowrun idea. The runners are hired for a simple
> extraction (get a programmer out of one corp and deliver him to
> another). Little do they know that the programmer just came up with a
> new search algorithm that will blow every search engine out of the
> water. Of course the runners don't find out how valuable the
> programmer is until after they pull him and every corp worth it's salt
> sends teams after him. And of course there's the twist: the
> programmer has the algorithm stored and running on his deck and it's
> becomming sentient, or at the very least is mimicing sentience, and
> doesn't want to be owned by anyone. The runners will be faced with a
> moral dilemma whether or not to turn the program over or let it go
> "free".

Nice idea... And for an additional twist, what if some of the 'runner
teams had been hired by the program itself? (which, originally being a
search algorithm, would probably be very skilled in finding and
locating people -- Enemy of the State anyone?)

-- Wild_Cat
maxnoel_fr@*****.fr -- ICQ #85274019
"Look at you hacker... A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting
and sweating as you run through my corridors... How can you challenge a
perfect, immortal machine?"
Message no. 12
From: rich@****.net (Rich Stokes)
Subject: Neverwinter Shadowruns (was RE: Shadowout, or maybeFallrun 2)
Date: 18 Mar 2004 22:21:50 +0000
Actually, you can easily get DSL in Europe for 50 euros per month.

I'm in the uk and get adsl for 10 gbp per month with static ip. I did have to supply my
own modem though.

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