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From:	The Deb Decker <RJR96326@****.UTULSA.EDU>
Subject:	New Archetypes
Date:	Fri, 16 Jul 1993 12:30:13 -0500

Message no. 1 Far be it from me to denounce nwew archetypes. But these two do needs
some work:

Corporate Stealth? There's Corp Etiquette, but stealth deals wioth
places. I believe the closest concentration would be Urban Stealth,
unless it is meant to be a specialization in modern buildings. At any
rate since corps can have just about any kind of building, I don't think
you can specialize in something like that.

I believe that no character may start with a skill level higher than 6.

Reactive Trigger: Redundant in 2nd Ed; all guns except revolvers are
assumed to have Reactive Triggers (understandable if you don't have
2nd Ed).

My only other comment is that this Security Guard seems to have a lot of
cyber. He must have been guarding the really important stuff.

Boy I hope this isn't gibberish when it reaches you guys. . .

J Roberson

From:	The Deb Decker <RJR96326@****.UTULSA.EDU>
Subject:	New Archetypes
Date:	Fri, 16 Jul 1993 14:46:17 -0500

Message no. 2 I posted this before, but I'm afraid it came out as gibberish. . .

Corporate Stealth: I think you mean urban stealth. Corporate territory
can vary from warehouses to skyscrapers, from the grounds surrounding
a building to a massive fusion-powered algae farm :). If you mean
to limit yourselves to buildings, go right ahead, but I wouldn't.

Reactive triggers are standard for semiautomatic pistols in 2nd Ed.

AS A GUIDELINE--the rules state that no starting character may have a
skill level higher than six, and no attribute above racial maximums.

J Roberson

From:	Martin Steffens <BDI05626@***.RHIJ.NL>
Subject:	New archetypes :)
Date:	Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:27:43 +0100

Message no. 3 Elven Speed Samurai
by Martin Steffens & Gurth
"Sure,Idothe100metersin4.3290043seconds*butsodoesmybike(notso-
muchfaster,though).Alltheworldlivesinslowmotion,comeonSPEEDUP-
,guys!!Theyexpectyoutowaitaroundforwhatmustbewholeseconds-
beforetheygetintogear,it'sjustpathetic!Abunchoffragging-
turtlesI'mlivingwithonthisplanet!"
"Yeah,mygirlfriendleftme.Whotoldyou?FRAGOFF,slowmo!!"

Commentary: asyou'venoticed... erm, sorry, as you've noticed,
this guy's FAST. He's dedicated his whole life to being faster
than others, maybe without even knowing it himself. What more
need we say, except that he's saving his money to buy a semi-
ballistic...

* = yes, we actually rolled dice and calculated how fast he
did the 100 meters. This is what came out, and mind you we
rolled pretty badly in the second turn...

Attributes
Body: 6(7)
Quickness: 7(12)
Strength: 2(7)
Charisma: 3
Intelligence: 6(8)
Willpower: 3
Body Index: 6
Essence: .5
Reaction: 6 (17)
Initiative: 17+4D6

Skills
Athletics (Running specialization): 8(9)
Bike: 6
Firearms: 2(3)
Negotiation (Fast Talk): 7

Cyberware
Smartlink II
Wired Reflexes (3)

Bioware
Cerebral Booster (2)
Enhanced Articulation
Muscle Augmentation (4)
Suprathyroid Gland

Contacts (look up their Initiatives :)
Bartender
Former Troll Bounty Hunter

Gear
BMW Blitzen 2050
DocWagon Contract (Platinum)
Ingram SuperMach 100 (with internal smartlink II, 4 60-round
clips, and 240 APDS rounds)
Lined Coat (4/2)
(4) doses Speed

Lifestyle
Medium

Money
3,125Y + 3D6 x 1,000Y

From:	Martin Steffens <BDI05626@***.RHIJ.NL>
Subject:	New archetypes :)
Date:	Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:27:43 +0100

Message no. 4 (Too) Rich Kid
by Martin Steffens & Gurth

"Hey, what do you mean, like, I don't know what tough is?
Like, it's easy living the way I do, you know? You don't know
just, like, how hard my life really is, you know? Like, your
dad's constantly hassling you about, like, your future, and
your mom's always, you know, out to her office for, like,
work, you know? And then, like, your little sister's stealing
your clothes, and like, never gives them back, and then I
haven't even mentioned, like, boyfriends, you know?
"And like, what should I wear to the prom next week? I still
haven't, like, decided to buy that gorgeous Final Highlights
or that beautiful, like, Collection Challice dress. I wanted
to wear the Avenue I bought for like, really expensive, but
then that, that_Dorothy had one too, you know?! And then
maybe, like, some cosmetic surgery_(sigh) Decisions, decisi-
ons, decisions."

Commentary: Yep, and you thought they only existed on the
trid_Beverly Models 90012, Incr, that sort of trash. But to
your surprise (and shock, perhaps), you found out they really
exist! Her mom and dad have more money than they'll ever
spend, let alone than you'll see in the rest of your lifetime,
she's living in a 1,000 m^2 apartment in Madison Park, and then
she's talking about the hardships of life. And worst of all,
she wants to run the shadows_
Like, you know?

Attributes
Body: 2
Quickness: 4
Strength: 1
Charisma: 6
Intelligence: 3
Willpower: 1
Body Index: .4
Essence: 5.75
Reaction: 3
Initiative: 3+1D6

Skills
Athletics (Fitness): 5
Bike: 2
Computer: 2
Etiquette (Corporate): 2
Etiquette (High School): 3
Etiquette (Media): 2
Firearms: 1

Cyberware
Datajack (4)

Bioware
Mnemonic Enhancer (2) [so she doesn't have to study so hard in
high school]

Contacts
Bodyguard
Buddy: Corporate Secretary
Followers (the following archetypes/contacts: Club Habitue,
Pedestrian, Rocker, Simsense Star, Media Producer)
Gang (rich-kid thrill gang from Luxury-lifestyle area of
Seattle. Wait till they run into real gangers_)
Magical Security Specialist

Lifestyle:
Luxury

Gear
Armante "Ancien"Shawl (1/0)
Armante "Starlight" Dress (1/1)
BangOE & Olufsonr Home Entertainment System
Barton Arms Bracer (with 10 Regular rounds)
Binder (rating 6, one dose against carbon monoxide)
BMW Blitzen 2055 (use Blitzen 2050 stats)
DocWagonOE Contract (Platinum)
Fellini-Med Breather (expensive model)
Fichetti Arms Needler (with 2 clips and 10 Needle rounds)
(2) NERPS
Rolls-Royce "Phaeton" Limousine (with chauffeur)
Tres Chic Clothing (0/0)
Whitelaw Electric Sunglasses (really expensive model)
Zeta-Interferon (rating 6, one dose against AIDS)
Zoe "Retrovision" Skirt Suit (3/1)

Pocket Money: 5,030yen + 3D6 x 1,000yen

From:	Martin Steffens <BDI05626@***.RHIJ.NL>
Subject:	New archetypes :)
Date:	Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:27:43 +0100

Message no. 5 During his holiday Gurth stayed with me for a couple of days and
as you could have known, work never stops for Gurth and he didn't
want to lose his title as SR-Guru :) so here are two archetypes he and
I came up with (hopes this makes it intact to the list)

Greetings,

Martin

From:	Martin Steffens <BDI05626@***.RHIJ.NL>
Subject:	Re: New archetypes :)
Date:	Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:49:38 +0100

Message no. 6 Elven Speed Samurai
by Martin Steffens & Gurth
"Sure,Idothe100metersin4.3290043seconds*butsodoesmybike(notsomuchfaster,though).Alltheworldlivesinslowmotion,comeonSPEEDUP,guys!!Theyexpectyoutowaitaroundforwhatmustbewholesecondsbeforetheygetintogear,it'sjustpathetic!AbunchoffraggingturtlesI'mlivingwithonthisplanet!"
"Yeah,mygirlfriendleftme.Whotoldyou?FRAGOFF,slowmo!!"
Commentary: asyou'venoticed... erm, sorry, as you've noticed, this guy's FAST. He's
dedicated his whole life to being faster than others, maybe without even knowing it
himself. What more need we say, except that he's saving his money to buy a
semi-ballistic...

* = yes, we actually rolled dice and calculated how fast he did the 100 meters. This is
what came out, and mind you we rolled pretty badly in the second turn...

Attributes
Body: 6(7)
Quickness: 7(12)
Strength: 2(7)
Charisma: 3
Intelligence: 6(8)
Willpower: 3
Body Index: 6
Essence: .5
Reaction: 6 (17)
Initiative: 17+4D6

Skills
Athletics (Running specialization): 8(9)
Bike: 6
Firearms: 2(3)
Negotiation (Fast Talk): 7

Cyberware
Smartlink II
Wired Reflexes (3)

Bioware
Cerebral Booster (2)
Enhanced Articulation
Muscle Augmentation (4)
Suprathyroid Gland

Contacts (look up their Initiatives :)
Bartender
Former Troll Bounty Hunter

Gear
BMW Blitzen 2050
DocWagon Contract (Platinum)
Ingram SuperMach 100 (with internal smartlink II, 4 60-round clips, and 240 APDS rounds)
Lined Coat (4/2)
(4) doses Speed

Lifestyle
Medium

Money
3,125Y + 3D6 x 1,000Y

From:	Martin Steffens <BDI05626@***.RHIJ.NL>
Subject:	Re: New archetypes :)
Date:	Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:49:40 +0100

Message no. 7 Guess they didn't made it so I try it again. If this still doesn't
work, look out for the new Plastic Warriors by Gurth.

From:	Martin Steffens <BDI05626@***.RHIJ.NL>
Subject:	Re: New archetypes :)
Date:	Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:50:23 +0100

Message no. 8 (Too) Rich Kid
by Martin Steffens & Gurth
"Hey, what do you mean, like, I don't know what tough is? Like, it's easy living the
way I do, you know? You don't know just, like, how hard my life really is, you know? Like,
your dad's constantly hassling you about, like, your future, and your mom's always, you
know, out to her office for, like, work, you know? And then, like, your little sister's
stealing your clothes, and like, never gives them back, and then I haven't even mentioned,
like, boyfriends, you know?
"And like, what should I wear to the prom next week? I still haven't, like, decided
to buy that gorgeous Final Highlights or that beautiful, like, Collection Challice dress.
I wanted to wear the Avenue I bought for like, really expensive, but then that,
that_Dorothy had one too, you know?! And then maybe, like, some cosmetic surgery_(sigh)
Decisions, decisions, decisions."
Commentary: Yep, and you thought they only existed on the trid_Beverly Models 90012, Incr,
that sort of trash. But to your surprise (and shock, perhaps), you found out they really
exist! Her mom and dad have more money than they'll ever spend, let alone than you'll see
in the rest of your lifetime, she's living in a 1,000 m^2 apartment in Madison Park, and
then she's talking about the hardships of life. And worst of all, she wants to run the
shadows_
Like, you know?

Attributes
Body: 2
Quickness: 4
Strength: 1
Charisma: 6
Intelligence: 3
Willpower: 1
Body Index: .4
Essence: 5.75
Reaction: 3
Initiative: 3+1D6

Skills
Athletics (Fitness): 5
Bike: 2
Computer: 2
Etiquette (Corporate): 2
Etiquette (High School): 3
Etiquette (Media): 2
Firearms: 1

Cyberware
Datajack (4)

Bioware
Mnemonic Enhancer (2) [so she doesn't have to study so hard in high school]

Contacts
Bodyguard
Buddy: Corporate Secretary
Followers (the following archetypes/contacts: Club Habitue, Pedestrian, Rocker, Simsense
Star, Media Producer)
Gang (rich-kid thrill gang from Luxury-lifestyle area of Seattle. Wait till they run into
real gangers_)
Magical Security Specialist

Lifestyle:
Luxury

Gear
Armante "Ancien"Shawl (1/0)
Armante "Starlight" Dress (1/1)
BangOE & Olufsonr Home Entertainment System
Barton Arms Bracer (with 10 Regular rounds)
Binder (rating 6, one dose against carbon monoxide)
BMW Blitzen 2055 (use Blitzen 2050 stats)
DocWagonOE Contract (Platinum)
Fellini-Med Breather (expensive model)
Fichetti Arms Needler (with 2 clips and 10 Needle rounds)
(2) NERPS
Rolls-Royce "Phaeton" Limousine (with chauffeur)
Tres Chic Clothing (0/0)
Whitelaw Electric Sunglasses (really expensive model)
Zeta-Interferon (rating 6, one dose against AIDS)
Zoe "Retrovision" Skirt Suit (3/1)

Pocket Money: 5,030yen + 3D6 x 1,000yen

From:	Martin Steffens <BDI05626@***.RHIJ.NL>
Subject:	Re: New archetypes :)
Date:	Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:50:25 +0100

Message no. 9 and here is the second one:

Martin Steffens
GeekCode v2.1
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From:	Todd James Gillespie <toddg@****.ACS.UNT.EDU>
Subject:	Re: New archetypes :)
Date:	Wed, 28 Jun 1995 09:04:00 -0500

Message no. 10 I find one problem with this kid's attributes. I usually interpret a 1
in a (meta)human as being a severe deficiency, like a disease causing the
char's strength to go to 1 (and be bedridden.) In the below case, the
strength of 1 would cause the kid to be extremely exhausted only a bit of
a way into a run, also with 1 willpower, she would pass out in the middle
of a gunfight or any other sort of fight. (Imagine carrying this kid
through a running gun battle) Also, with 1 willpower and almost always a
failure when willpower rolls come up, why would anyone want this person
on their team? I think willpower is the most important attrib in SR,
because if you can't hold your mind together, you're hamburger.

On Wednesday, Martin gleefully wrote
> (Too) Rich Kid

> Attributes
> Body: 2
> Quickness: 4
> Strength: 1
> Charisma: 6
> Intelligence: 3
> Willpower: 1
> Body Index: .4
> Essence: 5.75
> Reaction: 3
> Initiative: 3+1D6
>
> Skills
> Athletics (Fitness): 5
> Bike: 2
> Computer: 2
> Etiquette (Corporate): 2
> Etiquette (High School): 3
> Etiquette (Media): 2
> Firearms: 1
>
> Cyberware
> Datajack (4)
>
> Bioware
> Mnemonic Enhancer (2) [so she doesn't have to study so hard in high school]

From:	Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject:	Re: New archetypes :)
Date:	Thu, 29 Jun 1995 00:21:44 +0930

Message no. 11 Todd James Gillespie wrote:
>
> I find one problem with this kid's attributes. I usually interpret a 1
> in a (meta)human as being a severe deficiency, like a disease causing the
> char's strength to go to 1 (and be bedridden.) In the below case, the
> strength of 1 would cause the kid to be extremely exhausted only a bit of
> a way into a run, also with 1 willpower, she would pass out in the middle
> of a gunfight or any other sort of fight. (Imagine carrying this kid
> through a running gun battle) Also, with 1 willpower and almost always a
> failure when willpower rolls come up, why would anyone want this person
> on their team? I think willpower is the most important attrib in SR,
> because if you can't hold your mind together, you're hamburger.

I've got a different problem... Rich Spoiled Brats are the most stubborn
bastards in the universe. That willpower should be 6.

> On Wednesday, Martin gleefully wrote
> > (Too) Rich Kid
>
> > Attributes
> > Body: 2
> > Quickness: 4
> > Strength: 1
> > Charisma: 6
> > Intelligence: 3
> > Willpower: 1
> > Body Index: .4
> > Essence: 5.75
> > Reaction: 3
> > Initiative: 3+1D6

--
Robert Watkins bob@**.ntu.edu.au
Real Programmers never work 9 to 5. If any real programmers
are around at 9 am, it's because they were up all night.
*** Finger me for my geek code ***

From:	Michael Orion Jackson <moj0001@****.ACS.UNT.EDU>
Subject:	Re: New archetypes :)
Date:	Wed, 28 Jun 1995 10:10:45 -0500

Message no. 12 On Thu, 29 Jun 1995, Robert Watkins wrote:

> Todd James Gillespie wrote:
> >
> > I find one problem with this kid's attributes. I usually interpret a 1
> > in a (meta)human as being a severe deficiency, like a disease causing the
> > char's strength to go to 1 (and be bedridden.) In the below case, the
> > strength of 1 would cause the kid to be extremely exhausted only a bit of
> > a way into a run, also with 1 willpower, she would pass out in the middle
> > of a gunfight or any other sort of fight. (Imagine carrying this kid
> > through a running gun battle) Also, with 1 willpower and almost always a
> > failure when willpower rolls come up, why would anyone want this person
> > on their team? I think willpower is the most important attrib in SR,
> > because if you can't hold your mind together, you're hamburger.
>
> I've got a different problem... Rich Spoiled Brats are the most stubborn
> bastards in the universe. That willpower should be 6.
>
Not the one's I've had to deal with. As soon as they realize that their
money or contacts don't inpress/threaten you, they fold pretty fast.
Admittedly, the willpower of 1 is a little low, but willpower 6 is for
people possessed of a determination only found in the truly
fanatic/dedicated. Like chechen death commandos, kamikaze pilots, or
special-forces snipers. ("I waited 36 hours in a pile of festering pig
shit for that shot...")

> > On Wednesday, Martin gleefully wrote
>
> > (Too) Rich Kid
> >
> > > Attributes
> > > Body: 2
> > > Quickness: 4
> > > Strength: 1
> > > Charisma: 6
> > > Intelligence: 3
> > > Willpower: 1
> > > Body Index: .4
> > > Essence: 5.75
> > > Reaction: 3
> > > Initiative: 3+1D6
>
> --
> Robert Watkins bob@**.ntu.edu.au
> Real Programmers never work 9 to 5. If any real programmers
> are around at 9 am, it's because they were up all night.
> *** Finger me for my geek code ***
>

__________________________________________________________________________
|Michael Orion Jackson |"A college student is a mechanism for |
|moj0001@****.acs.unt.edu |converting caffeine into finished |
|>Flaming is immature.< |homework" -unknown, but perceptive author |
__________________________________________________________________________

From:	SilverFire <SSHERMAN@****.STEVENS-TECH.EDU>
Subject:	Re: New archetypes :)
Date:	Wed, 28 Jun 1995 15:18:31 -0500

Message no. 13 On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Todd James Gillespie wrote:

> I find one problem with this kid's attributes. I usually interpret a 1
> in a (meta)human as being a severe deficiency, like a disease causing the
> char's strength to go to 1 (and be bedridden.) In the below case, the
> strength of 1 would cause the kid to be extremely exhausted only a bit of
> a way into a run, also with 1 willpower, she would pass out in the middle
> of a gunfight or any other sort of fight. (Imagine carrying this kid
> through a running gun battle) Also, with 1 willpower and almost always a
> failure when willpower rolls come up, why would anyone want this person
> on their team? I think willpower is the most important attrib in SR,
> because if you can't hold your mind together, you're hamburger.
>
[stuff on (too) rich kid snipped]

Whoever said that you wanted that rich kid around? I've known
kids like that in high school, hell I had a cousin like that on my
stepfather's side of the family.
Any road, I had a questin 'bout the speed freak. I thought that
if you enhanced an attribute more than double you had to deal with system
overstress. i.e. someone with Q 4 couldn't get higher than Q 8 with the
bioware before system overstress.

Ciao.

SilverFire

****************************************************************************
Love could be so damn resilient, or it could be as fragile as glass. And like
broken glass, it could cut you so you bled to death. Love could be so damn
resilient.
Where does reality end and illusion begin?

Mary Rosenbaum
_Chimera_

From:	Todd James Gillespie <toddg@****.ACS.UNT.EDU>
Subject:	Re: New archetypes :)
Date:	Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:01:05 -0500

Message no. 14 On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, SilverFire wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Todd James Gillespie wrote:
> Any road, I had a questin 'bout the speed freak. I thought that
> if you enhanced an attribute more than double you had to deal with system
> overstress. i.e. someone with Q 4 couldn't get higher than Q 8 with the
> bioware before system overstress.
>

Who says he isn't overstressed? Look at the way the speed freak talks. I
think he's already suffering from system overstress.

From:	Martin Steffens <BDI05626@***.RHIJ.NL>
Subject:	Re: New archetypes :)
Date:	Thu, 29 Jun 1995 19:37:44 +0100

Message no. 15 Sorry the archetypes were send to the list twice. I don't exactly
know what happened the first time, but the files were send seperately
from the main message and arrived later.

About the rich-kid: a willpower of 1 is very realistic for these kind
of kids; once they notice that daddy is not going to help them, they
collaps and follow you meekly (had some experience :)

The speed-sam is indeed prone to body overstress, but, hey, speed is
everything and the samurai willingly decided to thake the risc to run
just a bit faster :)

Hope you liked them (we did :)

Greetings,

Martin Steffens
GeekCode v2.1
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of) D++ B? e+$ (hah) u-(++) h f+ r n--- y+

From:	Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject:	Re: New archetypes :)
Date:	Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:04:29 +0200

Message no. 16 >Sorry the archetypes were send to the list twice. I don't exactly
>know what happened the first time, but the files were send seperately
>from the main message and arrived later.

Damn! I missed them!

>About the rich-kid: a willpower of 1 is very realistic for these kind
>of kids; once they notice that daddy is not going to help them, they
>collaps and follow you meekly (had some experience :)

Now all I'm looking for is a gif of a 90210-like kid to paste next to the
description :)

Gurth@******.nl - Gurth@***.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
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