| From: | shadowrn@*********.com (hier-soir) |
|---|---|
| Subject: | NEWBIE: drone operation |
| Date: | Sun Jul 21 09:00:01 2002 |
the list each answering single mail. (I hope it doesn't touch this list's
rules... if it does, sorry.)
Chris Shaffer <chris@*****.net> wrote:
> You're wrong. We've told you so several ways, you just don't agree with
> us. You don't have to wait any more, ok?
>
> It's just a game, so in the context of the game I play in, you're dead
> wrong, sorry. However, you can play it any way you want and if you want
> to change the rules that's entirely your prerogative. Change the rules,
have
> fun, live life.
Hey, didn't mean to offend you, boss! Sorry for that.
Yeah, I know I can change the rules in any way I want, but I wanted to know
what you veterans think about my idea. So don't get me like I'm some
self-centered churlish callow youth, cause I'm not :) (at least this is what
i think...)
Matthew Bond <mattgbond@********.com> wrote:
> Ok, how about this... <snip>
> This is why VCR are so expensive in terms of essence... they are very
> pervasive systems that are a bit like a specialised version of wired
> reflexes and move-by-wire that make you feel in some way disconnected from
> what your body is doing...
Maybe... that's kind of nifty explanation. I think I buy that.
Thanatos <grendel@*****.veldt.org> wrote:
> >Yeah, and this is exactly my problem. Why does he have a skill of 4 in
> >Rotorcraft, when he have never sat behind any rotor vehicle's controls
> >before?
> You and I are saying the same thing here. I don't think he can
> realistically have a skill of 4 without having sat in a cockpit of a
> helicopter before.
So here's the reason to change the rules.
Unless I agree with one of your solutions (that is, yours, or other
members'):
> But, for arguments sake, let's say that what you postulate is
> true. Rigger X has learned his rotorcraft skill solely from his
> experience....... <snip>
> ......Observation and empirical
> data, as demonstrated above, would be enough to get you through the
> basics, though.
Makes a lot of sense. Thanks, I think this is what I needed. So what I
should do is more like roleplaying thing, not changing the rules part.....
So if I had that player who would sit in a vehicle without an experience in
that field, except for piloting drones of similar kind, I would just
roleplay to him, that he would have to have a short period (a day or two..)
of exercises, to become familiarized with the manual controls vehicle.
I think this is the way I'll do this, along with some extra penalties which
Mark suggested (below). Thanks again.
Bira <ra002585@**.unicamp.br> wrote:
> Well, to get a 4 in the general skill, the rigger certainly has piloted
> a real helicopter before - it's not, IMHO, a skill level you get only
> through simulators and such. He most certainly flew a chopper for some
> time before play began.
There CAN be a case when he didn't ;) (at least - in my interpretation of
SR3's Skills technics) But that was thoroughly discussed already.
> Actually, I suspect a VCR is one of those things you only give to ace
> pilots. By the time a pilot or driver becomes a rigger (i.e. gets his
> VCR), he already knows his way around the cockpits of his vehicles of
> choice.
What about black market? The most present in SR3's player character's life,
I don't think that majority of our PC riggers got their VCRs the legal way.
There can be a case when some twisted punk who was just curious and bloodily
ambitious to become the world's best driver in history, have put that VCR
into his head (that cost him a hell of an Essence, but who cares? he didn't
have much use of his brain anyway), with little experience in vehicle/drone
piloting before.
Mark M. Smith <belgand@**************.com> wrote:
> Makes a lot of sense to me at least. I think the simplest thing though is
> to just go through it logically and extend off of this. If a rigger has
> never piloted a real whatever slap on some extra penalties. Consider them
> to be defaulting to the skill (yeah, they know how to pilot the drone
> version, but for this case they're defaulting to that drone experience) if
> need be. That way you don't need to create two separate skills, but merely
> apply the proper penalties when appropriate.
This is another reasonable solution, which I will surely implement in my
game. Thanks guys, sorry to those who I offended, and thanks for all your
voices of experience.
If you want, you can consider the topic closed, though if someone wants to
reply to the above, I'm open to further discussion. :)
Greets,
hier-soir
