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Message no. 1
From: Bredget Stroud <bstroud@*********.COM>
Subject: Newbie question
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:45:14 -0700
Somehow I've misplaced my FAQ that has all the set commands for
shadowRN. Would someone be so kind as to send me another copy or let me
know where to find it?

Bredget Stroud
MSMail Support Engineer
bstroud@*********.com

"Difficulties, hardships, &
challenges cause some to break,
> and others to break records." -- unknown
Message no. 2
From: Dvixen <dvixen@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Newbie question
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:21:07 -0700
Bredget Stroud wrote:
>
> Somehow I've misplaced my FAQ that has all the set commands for
> shadowRN. Would someone be so kind as to send me another copy or let me
> know where to find it?

I just posted it last week!!!

<grin>

Check the sig. ;)

Or drop me a line off list, and I'll send it to you.

--

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Message no. 3
From: Logan Graves <logan1@*****.INTERCOM.NET>
Subject: Re: Newbie question
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:05:05 -0400
In our last one, Dvixen wrote:
>
> In quick responce to Bredget Stroud's calamity:
> >
> > Somehow I've misplaced my FAQ that has all the set commands for
> > shadowRN. Would someone be so kind as to send me another copy or let
> > me know where to find it?
> >
> > Bredget Stroud
> > MSMail Support Engineer
> > bstroud@*********.com

D> I just posted it last week!!!
D> <grin>

Hey, give the newbie a break. <checking that .sig>
Can't ya see that's enuff problems... ;D

--Fenris
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(>) To war with trolls is to die! --Genghis Grimtooth
Message no. 4
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Newbie Question
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:53:19 -0700
Nexx wrote:
/
/ Newbie Question: BBB = Big, Black, Book, the SR Main Book, right?

Correct. The abbreviations that we use for Shadowrun products are in
the FAQ :)

-David
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but of all the beauty that still remains."
- Anne Frank
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Message no. 5
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Newbie Question
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:13:45 -0600
> Correct. The abbreviations that we use for Shadowrun products are in
> the FAQ :)
Actually, they're not. I just read that puppy from end to end.

***************
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aka Pope Nexx Many-Scars
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************
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paradise of the eye.........
***********
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poisoned, Only after the last fish has been caught, Only then will you find
that money cannot be eaten.
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Message no. 6
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Newbie Question
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:23:58 -0700
Nexx wrote:
/
/ > Correct. The abbreviations that we use for Shadowrun products are in
/ > the FAQ :)
/
/ Actually, they're not. I just read that puppy from end to end.

What the? Well, they used to be there. I'm gonna have to bug Adam
about that.

-David
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but of all the beauty that still remains."
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Message no. 7
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Newbie Question
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:42:36 -0600
Jonny D. Robinson wrote:
/
/ (P.S., since I am a newbie, tell me about thwappings and carps, etc.)

A thwap is the sound a 1000 year old carp makes as it strikes someone.

-David
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Message no. 8
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Newbie Question
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:44:57 +0100
And verily, did David Buehrer hastily scribble thusly...
|
|Jonny D. Robinson wrote:
|/
|/ (P.S., since I am a newbie, tell me about thwappings and carps, etc.)
|
|A thwap is the sound a 1000 year old carp makes as it strikes someone.

Not quite. A Thwap is the sound any carp makes when it strikes bare flesh.
The 1000 year old one is just a very smelly bonus....

:)

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Message no. 9
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Newbie Question
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:12:53 -0600
Spike wrote:
/
/ And verily, did David Buehrer hastily scribble thusly...
/ |
/ |Jonny D. Robinson wrote:
/ |/
/ |/ (P.S., since I am a newbie, tell me about thwappings and carps, etc.)
/ |
/ |A thwap is the sound a 1000 year old carp makes as it strikes someone.
/
/ Not quite. A Thwap is the sound any carp makes when it strikes bare flesh.
/ The 1000 year old one is just a very smelly bonus....
/
/ :)

<Monty Python>

oooooOOOOOOOoooooo

</Monty Python>

-David
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Message no. 10
From: "Jonny D. Robinson" <OracleBlur@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Newbie Question
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:14:42 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-14 10:42:12 EDT, you write:

> (P.S., since I am a newbie, tell me about thwappings and carps, etc.)
>
> A thwap is the sound a 1000 year old carp makes as it strikes someone.

Now I know...and knowing is half the battle <rousing GI JOE theme song>

Robinson
-still confused by the wackiness of the RNers
Message no. 11
From: "Jonny D. Robinson" <OracleBlur@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Newbie Question
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:16:24 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-14 11:12:37 EDT, you write:

> Spike wrote:
> /
> / And verily, did David Buehrer hastily scribble thusly...
> / |
> / |Jonny D. Robinson wrote:
> / |/
> / |/ (P.S., since I am a newbie, tell me about thwappings and carps, etc.)
> / |
> / |A thwap is the sound a 1000 year old carp makes as it strikes someone.
> /
> / Not quite. A Thwap is the sound any carp makes when it strikes bare
flesh.
> / The 1000 year old one is just a very smelly bonus....
> /
> / :)
>
> <Monty Python>
>
> oooooOOOOOOOoooooo
>
> </Monty Python


What? <Spazzes the way only newbies can>

-Robinson
you're silly but I love you all
Message no. 12
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Newbie Question
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:35:19 +0100
David Buehrer said on 8:42/14 Jul 98,...

> A thwap is the sound a 1000 year old carp makes as it strikes someone.

Actually, a wet carp, according to the message by Rob Hayden
that started it all off. The 1,000-year-old part is optional, and was
added on later (I don't know when, but I suppose it's from the
first time that big ASCII carp was used).

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Message no. 13
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Newbie Question
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:06:53 -0600
At 12:14 14/07/98 EDT, you wrote:

>Robinson
>-still confused by the wackiness of the RNers

It will all make sense in time.. On second thought, it won't, because it
still doesn't make much sense (Except on the cosmic scale..) to me, and I
run the damned list.

You'll get used to it in time.. :)

-Adam
-
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< FreeRPG & Shadowrun Webring Admin / The Shadowrun Supplemental >
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Message no. 14
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Newbie Question
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:53:51 +0100
And verily, did Jonny D. Robinson hastily scribble thusly...
|What? <Spazzes the way only newbies can>

The reason we all THWAP wach other across the face with wet carps when we
say something stupid, start a flame war or tell an incredibly corny joke, is
in defference to the monty python character in a suit of armour who used to
walk on set, take his carp, and slap someone across the face with it when
THEY said something corny or stupid....

(A lot of net humour is based on the pythons or other such things... SPAM is
another good example.....)

And now for something... completely different....
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Message no. 15
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Newbie Question
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:53:55 +0100
And verily, did Adam J hastily scribble thusly...
|
|At 12:14 14/07/98 EDT, you wrote:
|
|>Robinson
|>-still confused by the wackiness of the RNers
|
|It will all make sense in time.. On second thought, it won't, because it
|still doesn't make much sense (Except on the cosmic scale..) to me, and I
|run the damned list.

Now, now Adam....
You've not been on half as long as some people....

|You'll get used to it in time.. :)

Or go mad trying....
:)

wibble
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Message no. 16
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Newbie Question
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:28:18 -0600
Jonny D. Robinson wrote:
/
/ > <Monty Python>
/ >
/ > oooooOOOOOOOoooooo
/ >
/ > </Monty Python
/
/
/ What? <Spazzes the way only newbies can>

Run to your neighborhood video store and rent Monty Python and the Holy
Grail.

/ -Robinson
/ you're silly but I love you all

Aww, shucks ;)

-David
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Message no. 17
From: "Jonny D. Robinson" <OracleBlur@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Newbie Question
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:04:06 EDT
Spike wrote (the way only spike can):

> |What? <Spazzes the way only newbies can>
>
> The reason we all THWAP wach other across the face with wet carps when we
> say something stupid, start a flame war or tell an incredibly corny joke,
is
> in defference to the monty python character in a suit of armour who used to
> walk on set, take his carp, and slap someone across the face with it when
> THEY said something corny or stupid....
>
> (A lot of net humour is based on the pythons or other such things... SPAM
is
> another good example.....)
>
> And now for something... completely different....
> --
Ahhhh...the beauty that is monty python. I've never seen the carp guy tho...!

Robinson
-joy incarnate, alias Monty Python
Message no. 18
From: "Jonny D. Robinson" <OracleBlur@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Newbie Question
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:19:57 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-15 09:27:58 EDT, you write:

>
> / > <Monty Python>
> / >
> / > oooooOOOOOOOoooooo
> / >
> / > </Monty Python
> /
> /
> / What? <Spazzes the way only newbies can>
>
> Run to your neighborhood video store and rent Monty Python and the Holy
> Grail.
>

I don't get it...I've seen the holy grail a million times, but nothing like
that has occured on film...I was wondering about the ooooOOOOOooooo.

Robinson
-Python! Monty!
Message no. 19
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Newbie Question
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:22:48 -0600
Jonny D. Robinson wrote:
/
/ > / > <Monty Python>
/ > / >
/ > / > oooooOOOOOOOoooooo
/ > / >
/ > / > </Monty Python
/ > /
/ > / What? <Spazzes the way only newbies can>
/ >
/ > Run to your neighborhood video store and rent Monty Python and the Holy
/ > Grail.
/
/ I don't get it...I've seen the holy grail a million times, but nothing like
/ that has occured on film...I was wondering about the ooooOOOOOooooo.

Remember when they're in the cave after fighting the Rabit? And (I
can't remember why) everyone goes "oooOOOOOoooo", except for one guy
(sorry, can't remember the name) goes "eeeeeEEEEEEeeeee". Then
everyone tries to teach him to go "oooooOOOOOOoooo". His reply is
(approximately), "No no. You misunderstand. I don't mean
`ooooOOOoooo' as in amazament. I mean `eeeEEEEEeeee' as in I'm very
frightened, because of the monster." Then everyone else turns around
and sees the monster which begins the chase through the cave which ends
when the cartoonist has a heart attack.

Damn, it's about time to rent that movie again :)

-David
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Message no. 20
From: "Jonny D. Robinson" <OracleBlur@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Newbie Question
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:05:02 EDT
Some strange person (D. Buehrer) wrote:

> Remember when they're in the cave after fighting the Rabit? And (I
> can't remember why) everyone goes "oooOOOOOoooo", except for one guy
> (sorry, can't remember the name) goes "eeeeeEEEEEEeeeee". Then
> everyone tries to teach him to go "oooooOOOOOOoooo". His reply is
> (approximately), "No no. You misunderstand. I don't mean
> `ooooOOOoooo' as in amazament. I mean `eeeEEEEEeeee' as in I'm very
> frightened, because of the monster." Then everyone else turns around
> and sees the monster which begins the chase through the cave which ends
> when the cartoonist has a heart attack.
>
> Damn, it's about time to rent that movie again :)


OOooooooh Yeah!! I remember now! thank you so much, I love reminiscing about
that movie (classic Monty Python)
Message no. 21
From: bandwidthoracle@*********.net (Bandwidth Oracle)
Subject: Newbie question
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:04:33 -0600
I've GM'ed for awhile but I've never actually played a game of
Shadowrun, now my term of GM is up, is there anything vastly different
from being a GM to a player? Any big adjustments I'll need to make?
Message no. 22
From: anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: Newbie question
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:45:29 -0700
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bandwidth Oracle" <bandwidthoracle@*********.net>
To: <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:04 PM
Subject: Newbie question


> I've GM'ed for awhile but I've never actually played a game of
> Shadowrun, now my term of GM is up, is there anything vastly different
> from being a GM to a player? Any big adjustments I'll need to make?
>
You have seen play, after all. Just remembere what you'd do to your
character if you were GM!
--Anders
Message no. 23
From: dam01@***.edu.au (Damion Milliken)
Subject: Newbie question
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:05:39 +1000
Bandwidth Oracle writes:

> I've GM'ed for awhile but I've never actually played a game of
> Shadowrun, now my term of GM is up, is there anything vastly different
> from being a GM to a player? Any big adjustments I'll need to make?

The only thing that I'd point out is that your view of the SR world might
not be the same as your GMs. As a SR GM of some 13 years experience, I can
say that I have difficulty playing SR sometimes because I have preconceived
views about how the SR world fits together and works. Not everyone has the
same views as me, though ;-). Fortunately, I only get to play about once
every two years or so (at cons, or when someone else *gasp* runs a SR game),
so it rarely causes problems ;-). So, remember, your GM is running SR in
_his_ SR universe, not yours, so don't try to force your SR world view on
him ;-).

--
Damion Milliken University of Wollongong
Unofficial Shadowrun Guru E-mail: dam01@***.edu.au
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Message no. 24
From: arcaist@************.de (Patrick 'Arcaist' Theiner)
Subject: Newbie question
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:57:22 +0200
From: "Damion Milliken"
> because I have preconceived views about how the SR
> world fits together and works.

I noticed that this is especially true when it comes to how npcs react to the players
(cops, guards, fixers), how difficult transactions are or when in the course of the
adventure the real problems are starting (some GMs seem to throw everything at you while
you're en route to your grandmother, others wait 'till you arrive at the scene of the
crime) - for example, at a recent con, a GM wanted to see my character's driving license,
since he was 100% sure that this is seperate from the physical SIN-stick. Not being the
quickest thinker at the time, I responded "What driving license?", which got me
in quite a
lot of trouble with the cops...

--
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Message no. 25
From: loneeagle2061@*******.com (Lone Eagle)
Subject: Newbie question
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:45:47 +0000
>From: Bandwidth Oracle <bandwidthoracle@*********.net>
>I've GM'ed for awhile but I've never actually played a game of Shadowrun,
>now my term of GM is up, is there anything vastly different from being a GM
>to a player? Any big adjustments I'll need to make?

Only one real one, those lovely plot twists you do, the hugely imaginitive
ways of sending the run six ways to drek in a handcart, all that time you
spend copying stuff from the critters book into your notes, checking powers
and making empathic pained sounds to yourself while your players sit looking
on...
Suddenly you're on the recieving end.
Enjoy!

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Message no. 26
From: davidb@****.imcprint.com (Graht)
Subject: Newbie question
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:15:06 -0600
At 03:05 PM 9/10/2002 +1000, Damion Milliken wrote:
>Bandwidth Oracle writes:
>
> > I've GM'ed for awhile but I've never actually played a game of
> > Shadowrun, now my term of GM is up, is there anything vastly different
> > from being a GM to a player? Any big adjustments I'll need to make?
>
>The only thing that I'd point out is that your view of the SR world might
>not be the same as your GMs. As a SR GM of some 13 years experience, I can
>say that I have difficulty playing SR sometimes because I have preconceived
>views about how the SR world fits together and works. Not everyone has the
>same views as me, though ;-). Fortunately, I only get to play about once
>every two years or so (at cons, or when someone else *gasp* runs a SR game),
>so it rarely causes problems ;-). So, remember, your GM is running SR in
>_his_ SR universe, not yours, so don't try to force your SR world view on
>him ;-).

Or to make it short: remember that as a player you are no longer the GM :)

This means that it isn't you world, your interpretation of the rules, your
knowledge of the rules, etc. If the other GM does something that you
wouldn't do, or doesn't do something that you would due, don't say anything
and just play the game :)

To Life,
-Graht
ShadowRN Assistant Fearless Leader II
http://www.graht.com
--
Message no. 27
From: bouillon.jeremie@*******.fr (Jeremie Bouillon)
Subject: Newbie question
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:08:48 +0200
Le 20:15 10/09/2002, Graht écrivait :
>This means that it isn't you world, your interpretation of the rules, your
>knowledge of the rules, etc. If the other GM does something that you
>wouldn't do, or doesn't do something that you would due, don't say
>anything and just play the game :)

As in any rpg you may discuss it with him and/or the other players _after_
the game, but do not try to argue with your GM during play, even if he's
making huge mistakes.

Let him his own view of SR rules&universe, and learn step by step.
Message no. 28
From: chrome_ghoul@*****.com (Darren Gilliver)
Subject: Newbie question
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:37:10 +0100 (BST)
--- Bandwidth Oracle <bandwidthoracle@*********.net>
wrote: > I've GM'ed for awhile but I've never actually
played
> a game of
> Shadowrun, now my term of GM is up, is there
> anything vastly different
> from being a GM to a player? Any big adjustments
> I'll need to make?

Firstly if your like the Gms ive served under you will
require a sense of humour implant *smirks*.

Other then that its a lot more fun being a player.

You have a,lot more time to do what YOU want to do and
I find less is expected of you.

Plus you get to devote all your time to one character
and how they interect with the world rather then a
whole bunch of npcs who take attention away from the
main guys.

As you can tell,I resent being a GM a lot of the time.

Darren.(It's a dirty job,and I don't want to do it.)


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