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Message no. 1
From: Airwisp@***.com Airwisp@***.com
Subject: New Geasa ...
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:46:17 EST
Hey guys,

How does this sound.

A adept, for some reason or another, decides to come up with a geasa to make
their killing hands/other power cheaper. The geasa is 'Always Active.'

This means that the power is always in force and that whenever the adept
comes into flesh to flesh contact with another living being that being will
suffer the effects of the killing hands/power in question.

Which brings another question, when another living being runs into this adept
and bumps/hits them, what are they resisting? Since the adept is not the one
doing the punching/striking, the opponent is not being hit with the full
strength of the adept. Would the damage be on the lines of [1(Damage Level
of power)]?

Steve Kenson, perhaps this could be something to consider for one of the
future update books.

-Mike
Message no. 2
From: Lars Ericson lericson@****.edu
Subject: New Geasa ...
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:27:55 -0600
Airwisp@***.com wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> How does this sound.
>
> A adept, for some reason or another, decides to come up with a geasa to make
> their killing hands/other power cheaper. The geasa is 'Always Active.'
>
> This means that the power is always in force and that whenever the adept
> comes into flesh to flesh contact with another living being that being will
> suffer the effects of the killing hands/power in question.
>
> Which brings another question, when another living being runs into this adept
> and bumps/hits them, what are they resisting? Since the adept is not the one
> doing the punching/striking, the opponent is not being hit with the full
> strength of the adept. Would the damage be on the lines of [1(Damage Level
> of power)]?

Killing Hands is the ability of the physical adept to focus and channel
magical energies into their unarmed attacks to make them physical
damage. It isn't any kind of lethal touch. So, always on doesn't work.
Bumping into someone is not going to be an unarmed attack. I would say
it Killing Hands works when it is an intentional physical attack.
Shoulder smashing someone, yes; bumping into someone by accident, no.

A geas should be a crutch that the magical person uses to help them
foster and use an ability more easily. With the above paragraph in mind,
"Always Active" doesn't hinder its use, it attempts to change its
definition and effect. So, basically look for another geas.


--
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Lars Ericson: Professional Vagabond
Smalley Research Group, Rice University
E-Mail: lericson@****.edu
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despair, and the compression of stress in one's life, there's that one
spark of enjoyment that keeps you going.
Message no. 3
From: Strago strago@***.com
Subject: New Geasa ...
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 02:02:06 -0500
Lars Ericson wrote:

> <SNIP>

> A geas should be a crutch that the magical person uses to help them
> foster and use an ability more easily. With the above paragraph in mind,
> "Always Active" doesn't hinder its use, it attempts to change its
> definition and effect. So, basically look for another geas.

BUT, imagine the difficulties involved. You could never touch another person, never
have sex with them. You'd have to avoid contact with everyone. I agree that it
isn't a crutch to help you focus your magic, such as the kuju-kiri (sp?)
hand-wiggle. It also wouldn't be a condition geas. It wouldn't be a geas. However,
it would be interesting. Roleplaying it would be difficult, as well. Imagine the
number of times you touch a person in your day-to-day life. It really wouldn't be a
pleasant experience. I'd imagine a person like that would go mad from the strain
within a few months. I'd not want it to be me.
<SNIP SIG>

--
--Strago

In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder,
bloodshed - they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In
Switzerland they had brotherly
love, five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The
cuckoo clock!
-Orson Welles

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Message no. 4
From: Archimage4@***.com Archimage4@***.com
Subject: New Geasa ...
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 02:24:24 EST
Strago spake thusly:

>BUT, imagine the difficulties involved. You could never touch another person,
>never have sex with them. You'd have to avoid contact with everyone. I agree
>that it isn't a crutch to help you focus your magic, such as the kuju-kiri
(sp?)
>hand-wiggle. It also wouldn't be a condition geas. It wouldn't be a geas.
>However, it would be interesting. Roleplaying it would be difficult, as
well. Imagine
>the number of times you touch a person in your day-to-day life. It really
wouldn't
>be a pleasant experience. I'd imagine a person like that would go mad from
the
>strain within a few months. I'd not want it to be me.

Amen to that. How many graceful ways are there to decline a handshake? In
the increasingly cramped world of Shadowrun, how can you possibly AVOID
bumping into people while walking down the street? Best of all, how many
times would he give his teammates nasty wounds by tapping their shoulder,
trying to get their attention?

If the GM wanted to be REALLY evil, he could have it apply to EVERYTHING the
person touches, not just people. The guy would go through guns like a
tornado in a trailer park. After a hard run, his payment would crumble in
his hands. Even getting dressed in the morning would be a nightmare!

-- The Archimage
Message no. 5
From: Sebastian Wiers m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: New Geasa ...
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 02:08:47 -0600
From: Strago <strago@***.com>
:> A geas should be a crutch that the magical person uses to help them
:> foster and use an ability more easily. With the above paragraph in mind,
:> "Always Active" doesn't hinder its use, it attempts to change its
:> definition and effect. So, basically look for another geas.
:
:BUT, imagine the difficulties involved. You could never touch another
person, never
:have sex with them. You'd have to avoid contact with everyone. I agree that
it
:isn't a crutch to help you focus your magic, such as the kuju-kiri (sp?)
:hand-wiggle. It also wouldn't be a condition geas. It wouldn't be a geas.
However,
:it would be interesting. Roleplaying it would be difficult, as well.
Imagine the
:number of times you touch a person in your day-to-day life. It really
wouldn't be a
:pleasant experience. I'd imagine a person like that would go mad from the
strain
:within a few months. I'd not want it to be me.

So make the geas be that you can't have any non-combative physical
contact with anybody. Its not as psyicicly warping, but it is a nice source
of dilema if, say, you have to drag a friend to safety...
Basically, what you are proposing would have to be a whole new power- it
seems like the equivalent of giving somebody the "corrosive secretions"
critter power, without quite as many drawbacks.

Mongoose
Message no. 6
From: Alfredo B Alves dghost@****.com
Subject: New Geasa ...
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 02:54:11 -0800
On Sat, 19 Feb 2000 02:24:24 EST Archimage4@***.com writes:
<SNIP>
> If the GM wanted to be REALLY evil, he could have it apply to
EVERYTHING the
> person touches, not just people.
<SNIP>
> Even getting dressed in the morning would be a nightmare!

Don't you mean "Even staying dressed would be a nightmare."? ;)

--
D. Ghost
A Mathmatician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems
--Paul Erdos

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Message no. 7
From: Strago strago@***.com
Subject: New Geasa ...
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:25:57 -0500
Sebastian Wiers wrote:

> <SNIP>

> So make the geas be that you can't have any non-combative physical
> contact with anybody. Its not as psyicicly warping, but it is a nice source
> of dilema if, say, you have to drag a friend to safety...
>

That would work. The only question I have is one I've had about ALL physad
geasa: If you forgo the geas (say, dragging a friend to safety), then is the
geas broken forever, for one day, or what?

> Basically, what you are proposing would have to be a whole new power- it
> seems like the equivalent of giving somebody the "corrosive secretions"
> critter power, without quite as many drawbacks.
>

I'm proposing something like the X-Man Rogue's powers, except instead of drawing
their energy into you, you're sending energy back out at them. That's all.
<SNIP>
--
--Strago

In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder,
bloodshed - they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance.
In Switzerland they had brotherly
love, five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The
cuckoo clock!
-Orson Welles

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Message no. 8
From: Simon Fuller sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: New Geasa ...
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 10:16:17 +1100
-----Original Message-----
From: Strago <strago@***.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Sunday, February 20, 2000 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: New Geasa ...


>> Basically, what you are proposing would have to be a whole new power-
it
>> seems like the equivalent of giving somebody the "corrosive secretions"
>> critter power, without quite as many drawbacks.
>>
>
>I'm proposing something like the X-Man Rogue's powers, except instead of
drawing
>their energy into you, you're sending energy back out at them. That's all.
><SNIP>
>--
>--Strago


Well, since you brought the comic books into it, Marvel used to have a
character that did have corrosive secretions that he couldn't turn off. His
clothes were all full of holes and his house slowly fell apart, etc. When he
was angry the secretions hyped up, burning all his clothes off, but he was
mean in a fight. I think he could also spit the acid. The guy's life was a
living hell, couldn't touch anyone (like Rogue, strangely), couldn't stay in
one place for too long without people getting suss. I'd let a GOOD player
have a character like this, there are a lot of role playing opportunities,
and their cred would be -ahem- eaten up buying new equipment, and don't let
him touch the grenades!
Message no. 9
From: Sebastian Wiers m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: New Geasa ...
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:20:55 -0600
From: Strago <strago@***.com>
:> So make the geas be that you can't have any non-combative physical
:> contact with anybody. Its not as psyicicly warping, but it is a nice
source
:> of dilema if, say, you have to drag a friend to safety...
:>
:
:That would work. The only question I have is one I've had about ALL physad
:geasa: If you forgo the geas (say, dragging a friend to safety), then is
the
:geas broken forever, for one day, or what?

I believe the base time period for "abstinance" geas is 24 hours. For
example, if you have a "fasting" geas, and you eat, you can't use the power
for 24 hours. The "no touching" geas would be similar. This does not apply
for "condition" geas; a "nightime" geas is borken during the day, but
the
power works automatically come sundown. The same goes for a "percieving"
geas; as soon as you turn on astral perception, you can use the power.


:I'm proposing something like the X-Man Rogue's powers, except instead of
drawing
:their energy into you, you're sending energy back out at them. That's all.


"That's all"? :-)

Mongoose

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