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Message no. 1
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: New North American Metahumans final draft now up
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 04:05:22 -0400
I finally finished my Native Metahumans article.
It's posted on my website at ...

http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard/NAmetas.html

If anyone can't get to this link, I'd be glad to email the data to you as
text, just let me know.
Oh yeah, I'd love to hear your opinions too.
Doesn't mean I'll listen to them, but I'd still like to hear them! ;-)

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard
"Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end." - Semisonic
Message no. 2
From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: New North American Metahumans final draft now up
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:40:37 -0400
Tinner wrote:
>I finally finished my Native Metahumans article.
>It's posted on my website at ...
>
>http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard/NAmetas.html

I don't think so. I tried NAmetas.html, NAMetas.html, nametas.html,
NAmetas.htm, NAMETAS.HTML, NAMETAS.HTM. You're sure you're not
hallucinating? ;-)
>
>If anyone can't get to this link, I'd be glad to email the data to you as
>text, just let me know.
>Oh yeah, I'd love to hear your opinions too.
>Doesn't mean I'll listen to them, but I'd still like to hear them! ;-)

Looks like you'll be doing a lot of emailing. :-)

James Ojaste
Message no. 3
From: Jeremy Zimmerman <jeremy@***********.COM>
Subject: Re: New North American Metahumans final draft now up
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:55:52 -0700
On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, Steven A. Tinner wrote:

> I finally finished my Native Metahumans article.
> It's posted on my website at ...
>
> http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard/NAmetas.html
>
> If anyone can't get to this link, I'd be glad to email the data to you as
> text, just let me know.
> Oh yeah, I'd love to hear your opinions too.
> Doesn't mean I'll listen to them, but I'd still like to hear them! ;-)

I thought it was neat! The only thing I'd do differently is make the
Pu'Gwis something besides a "Human Varient". It strikes me as running
counter to the notion of them being meta-human varients. I don't recall
off hand if there are any in the Compendium that are human varients... but
I suppose technically elves, dwarves, trolls, and orcs could be classified
as such. What I think would be a bit o' irony is if they were Elf
varients since if I remember the C:tD version of them, they were a once
vain and beautiful race that was cursed with this. Just my .02 nuyen.
Message no. 4
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: New North American Metahumans final draft now up
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:57:28 -0500
> I thought it was neat! The only thing I'd do differently is make the
> Pu'Gwis something besides a "Human Varient". It strikes me as running
> counter to the notion of them being meta-human varients.

Actually, they struck me as a variant on the ghoul.
Message no. 5
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: New North American Metahumans final draft now up
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:59:41 -0500
Did the Rock Giant strike anyone else as a variation, not on the troll, but on
the Obsidiman?
Message no. 6
From: Ogre <ogre@***.CYBNET.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: New North American Metahumans final draft now up
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 10:08:36 +0100
On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, Nexx wrote:

> Did the Rock Giant strike anyone else as a variation, not on the troll, but on
> the Obsidiman?
>
Early Awakening Obsidman? American edition?

Can anyone clear something up for me? Ghouls areprs people infected with a
virus like version of HMVV, right? Humans become Vampires, Orks, Wendigo
etc. Right But Ghouls don't 'express' like them..... right.

Sooo, can other metahumans (Trolls, Orks, etc) become Ghouls or is it
just Humes?

The Ghouls creation rules in Target:UCAS were a little (like completly)
unclear on this.

Any one help?

Ogre

Http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/2815/
Message no. 7
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: New North American Metahumans final draft now up
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:16:27 -0500
> Sooo, can other metahumans (Trolls, Orks, etc) become Ghouls or is it
> just Humes?

I was going to say "Of course they can", but then I realized I know of
no
cases where one actually did. None of the NPC's presented were
non-breeder, and any dwarf who succumbed to the disease would be more
likely to retain his intellect.
Message no. 8
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: New North American Metahumans final draft now up
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 13:24:51 EDT
In a message dated 4/11/98 3:11:40 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
ogre@***.CYBNET.CO.UK writes:

> Can anyone clear something up for me? Ghouls areprs people infected with a
> virus like version of HMVV, right? Humans become Vampires, Orks, Wendigo
> etc. Right But Ghouls don't 'express' like them..... right.

IIRC, it's the Krieger Straing of the HMHVV (I think), which is also what
makes some people become Nosferatu. But please, do NOT quote me on that one.
I know however that the expression factor is definitely different.

> Sooo, can other metahumans (Trolls, Orks, etc) become Ghouls or is it
> just Humes?

IIRC again, there are modules with "Ork Ghouls" and "Troll Ghouls". I
also
remember reading something somewhere that Elves don't become Ghouls (anyone
know why??). I know that we have a variation of a "Ghoul Vampire" that we
call a "Wight". Particularly nasty, even if they are blind still. Home Rules
of course :)

> The Ghouls creation rules in Target:UCAS were a little (like completly)
> unclear on this.

Actually, they seemed okay to me. Simplified, it basically means coming into
a "spittle contact" now with another Ghoul. Conversion time varies, usually
in days and is highly painful (like a second "Goblinization" period if you
will). Willpower tests to keep some measure of sanity, and certain degrees of
essence loss and the like (probably due to the changes in the Aural Template
wrought by the virus).

We have a Ghoul player-character that is really pretty cool. I am amazed we
all get along as well as we do. Right now that character is out to try and
unite a bunch of other ghoul communities to at least work together.

We've also had to resort to nasty chemistry and Alchemical Methods to hide his
"scent" from others, especially on run times that we have (stupid dogs). But,
having someone with inherent astral perception can be very helpful. He's a
Spider Shamanic Physical Adept (meaning a Physical Adept who follows Spider's
belief structure). He's trying to "evolve" into a Shamanic Adept type, which
is all sorts of fun.

-K
Message no. 9
From: Wyrmy The powerful <elfman@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: New North American Metahumans final draft now up
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 12:42:16 -0500
> remember reading something somewhere that Elves don't become Ghouls (anyone
> know why??).
I think it's because their genes are set where they can only be
Banshees.honestly, I don't know for sure.
--
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If you are a dreeamer, a wisher,
A liar, a magic jelly bean buyer,
Come In!
-What should be the motto of all internet users.
Message no. 10
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: New North American Metahumans final draft now up
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 13:12:54 -0500
> IIRC again, there are modules with "Ork Ghouls" and "Troll
Ghouls". I
also
> remember reading something somewhere that Elves don't become Ghouls
(anyone
> know why??).

The only rules I've ever heard of that say "elves can't become ghouls" is
in AD&D, which you might be thinking of.

***************
Rev. Mark Hall, Bardagh
aka Pope Nexx Many-Scars
************
Yet, I'm also a man who's constantly strivin' for a perfection I'll never
achieve... and probably wouldn't even recognize it if I did.
-Logan, in issue 124 of "Wolverine"
***********
Am Moireach Mor!
Message no. 11
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: New North American Metahumans final draft now up
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:20:49 -0700
> Can anyone clear something up for me? Ghouls areprs people infected with
a
> virus like version of HMVV, right? Humans become Vampires, Orks, Wendigo
> etc. Right But Ghouls don't 'express' like them..... right.
>
> Sooo, can other metahumans (Trolls, Orks, etc) become Ghouls or is it
> just Humes?
>
> The Ghouls creation rules in Target:UCAS were a little (like completly)
> unclear on this.
>
> Any one help?

AFAIK only the Kreuger (sp?) strain of Ghouls express in that way, normal
ghouls are a standard metatype just like dwarves or trolls. IMHO that's
the only kind of PC ghoul you could play unless you turned into a ghoul
later in RP.


Caric
Message no. 12
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: New North American Metahumans final draft now up
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:40:22 EDT
In a message dated 4/11/98 1:20:11 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
nexx@********.NET writes:

> The only rules I've ever heard of that say "elves can't become ghouls" is
> in AD&D, which you might be thinking of.
>
No, it wasn't a rule, it was "there are no accounts of elven ghouls to date"
sort of thing. Keep thinking it came from either Bug City or Target UCAS.
-K
Message no. 13
From: Wafflemeisters <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: New North American Metahumans final draft now up
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 04:40:05 -0500
> Re: New North American Metahumans final draft now up (Nexx , Sat 13:12)
>
> > IIRC again, there are modules with "Ork Ghouls" and "Troll
Ghouls". I
> also remember reading something somewhere that Elves don't become Ghouls
> (anyone know why??).
>
> The only rules I've ever heard of that say "elves can't become ghouls" is
> in AD&D, which you might be thinking of.

I think that ghouls find elf flesh to be rather particularly tasty, so
maybe most elves who would get infected get eaten before "goblinizing".
Ghouls generally reproduce by intentional infection (they can breed,
but, well, you know)- why would they infect a yummy smelling elf if they
could try to eat him instead?
So it could happen (especially to PC's), but you wouldn't see elves in
general ghoul populations.

-Mongoose
Message no. 14
From: Airwasp <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: New North American Metahumans final draft now up
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 09:19:05 EDT
In a message dated 4/11/98 11:41:10 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Ereskanti@***.COM
writes:

> > The only rules I've ever heard of that say "elves can't become ghouls"
is
> > in AD&D, which you might be thinking of.
> >
> No, it wasn't a rule, it was "there are no accounts of elven ghouls to
date"
> sort of thing. Keep thinking it came from either Bug City or Target UCAS.

On a slighlty humorous side, does everyone believe that the Krieger strain
does not go after elves because there is something fundamentally wrong with
them (the strain being somewhat racist), and that elves do not get the strain
because the level of mana in them is not capable of allowing the Krieger
strain to survive (I know this would also mean humans -norms- would be
unaffected but norms are a special case).

But, getting back to reality, it is more than likely that some group of elves
keep track of the ghouls and whenever someone sets off a detect ghoul-elf
anchoring they go and take care of the elf before said elf can ever do any
damage, and this means either termination or being taken somewhere for re-
education and indoctrination into someone's personal security force.

Mike

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