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Message no. 1
From: Georg Greve <greve@*******.HANSE.DE>
Subject: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 11:50:27 GMT
Hi everyone !

I just had an idea for a new PA power and would like to hear some
comments.


"Adhesion" - Cost: 1.0

The Adhesion power gives the PA the ability to make parts of his body
adhesive to objects (it works more like magnetism than glue but it
works on all material). The adhesion power has a very limited range (only
up to the outer border of the PA's aura) and can be controlled in a
way that allows the PA to say "I make my left palm and my right food
adhesive" and can be turned on/off instantly.
When combined with the "Traceless Walk" power the Adept doesn't apply
pressure/force to the object he is adhesive to. Pressure sensors will
not recognize him and so on (see Traceless Walk power in Awakenings).

This power is perfect for climbing buildings, hanging under ceilings
and walking along a ceiling upside down... ;-)


O.k. - that's basically my idea... any suggestions/comments ?

Later,
Georg

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Message no. 2
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 14:24:02 +0000
|
|Hi everyone !
|
|I just had an idea for a new PA power and would like to hear some
|comments.
|
|
|"Adhesion" - Cost: 1.0
|
|The Adhesion power gives the PA the ability to make parts of his body
|adhesive to objects (it works more like magnetism than glue but it
|works on all material). The adhesion power has a very limited range (only
|up to the outer border of the PA's aura) and can be controlled in a
|way that allows the PA to say "I make my left palm and my right food
|adhesive" and can be turned on/off instantly.

"Spiderman, spiderman, does whatever a spider can....."

Basically, that's the only thing that's special about Spiderman....
Add extra strength and a detect enemies spell, and you've got the whole
thing..... "My spidee senses are tingling....."

|When combined with the "Traceless Walk" power the Adept doesn't apply
|pressure/force to the object he is adhesive to. Pressure sensors will
|not recognize him and so on (see Traceless Walk power in Awakenings).

Hmmmmmmmmm.......
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Message no. 3
From: Benjamin <benjamin@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 18:16:18 PST
>Hi everyone !
>
>I just had an idea for a new PA power and would like to hear some
>comments.
<snip power>
>O.k. - that's basically my idea... any suggestions/comments ?

Don't forget that all the blood would rush to your head if you're
walking upside down, and things like that.

I also had an idea for a PA power.

Elemental Effects for Killing Hands - Cost: 1 each

For the cost of on Magic point, the PhysAd can add an elemental effect
to only one of his Killing Hands powers. This essentialy makes his
Killing Hands a Damaging Manipulation with force equal to the adept's
Strength, with damage code according to the level of Killing Hands.

Comments? Suggestions? Weasels?
Message no. 4
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 19:18:33 -0700
Benjamin wrote:
|
| >Hi everyone !
| >
| >I just had an idea for a new PA power and would like to hear some
| >comments.
| <snip power>
| >O.k. - that's basically my idea... any suggestions/comments ?
|
| Don't forget that all the blood would rush to your head if you're
| walking upside down, and things like that.

And, walls and ceilings usually aren't designed to bear those kinds of
weight loads (no one ever complains when Spidey crawls across an office
ceiling and doesn't pull the tiles loose).

-David

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Message no. 5
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 11:54:37 +0100
Georg Greve said on 11:50/27 Dec 96...

> The Adhesion power gives the PA the ability to make parts of his body
> adhesive to objects (it works more like magnetism than glue but it
> works on all material). The adhesion power has a very limited range (only
> up to the outer border of the PA's aura) and can be controlled in a
> way that allows the PA to say "I make my left palm and my right food
> adhesive"

Sounds good. The uses may be a bit limited, but it could come in handy at
times. What happens when somebody wants to take an object away from the
adept, though, and what is the maximum weight it can support? ("I make the
10-ton truck adhere to my left hand.")

> and can be turned on/off instantly.

Maybe make that a Free Action?

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Message no. 6
From: Georg Greve <greve@*******.HANSE.DE>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 10:49:44 GMT
David Buehrer (dbuehrer@****.ORG) wrote:
: And, walls and ceilings usually aren't designed to bear those kinds of
: weight loads (no one ever complains when Spidey crawls across an office
: ceiling and doesn't pull the tiles loose).

Hmmm... walls and ceilings usually will bear those loads if you don't
have tiles put on them or other insulation stuff like - this would
definitely be some kind of "treachery ground" for the Adept, but A.)
not all buildings have these soft tiles everywhere and B.) Noone said
you have to be able to use this power everywhere. ;-)

Later,
Georg

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+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| "The Clan's are marching 'gainst the law - |
| bagpipers play the tunes of war - death or glory I will find - |
| rebellion on my mind" |
| Grave Digger - "Rebellion" |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Georg Greve greve@*******.Hanse.DE |
| Tel.: +49-40-23809080 greve@*******.uni-hamburg.de |
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Message no. 7
From: Georg Greve <greve@*******.HANSE.DE>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 10:45:06 GMT
Benjamin (benjamin@*****.COM) wrote:
: Don't forget that all the blood would rush to your head if you're
: walking upside down, and things like that.

Hehe... I actually didn't think people would really want to do that,
because there are other effects as well. Imagine what happens if you
do not have zippers on your pockets. *evil grin* A character should be
able to do it for a short time at least, though.

: I also had an idea for a PA power.
: Elemental Effects for Killing Hands - Cost: 1 each
: For the cost of on Magic point, the PhysAd can add an elemental effect
: to only one of his Killing Hands powers. This essentialy makes his
: Killing Hands a Damaging Manipulation with force equal to the adept's
: Strength, with damage code according to the level of Killing Hands.
: Comments? Suggestions? Weasels?

Hmmm... what do you mean by "for each of his Killing Hands powers" ? I
always thought you purchase this power only once - or did you mean
"for each of his hands" ? That would be hard to build into the combat
system because it assumes each melee round is a combination of several
strikes/blocks/counterstrikes ...

But it is an interesting idea - how do you think will the EE work ?
Did you think it will engulf the victim or just be at the spot where
the victim gets hit ?

Later,
Georg

--
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| "The Clan's are marching 'gainst the law - |
| bagpipers play the tunes of war - death or glory I will find - |
| rebellion on my mind" |
| Grave Digger - "Rebellion" |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Georg Greve greve@*******.Hanse.DE |
| Tel.: +49-40-23809080 greve@*******.uni-hamburg.de |
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Message no. 8
From: Georg Greve <greve@*******.HANSE.DE>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 12:11:21 GMT
Gurth (gurth@******.NL) wrote:
: Georg Greve said on 11:50/27 Dec 96...
: > The Adhesion power gives the PA the ability to make parts of his body
: > adhesive to objects (it works more like magnetism than glue but it
: > works on all material). The adhesion power has a very limited range (only
: > up to the outer border of the PA's aura) and can be controlled in a
: > way that allows the PA to say "I make my left palm and my right food
: > adhesive"
: Sounds good. The uses may be a bit limited, but it could come in handy at
: times. What happens when somebody wants to take an object away from the
: adept, though, and what is the maximum weight it can support? ("I make the
: 10-ton truck adhere to my left hand.")

*giggle* I think it should be something like "the maximum force of the
adhesion power is equal to the maximum force the character could lift"
to keep things plain and simple. This way the adhesion power isn't
able to harm you really bad by itself. Just imagine an "infinite
force" adhesion power: Your arms / legs / whatever you stick to the
surface with could be ripped off... *shiver*

: > and can be turned on/off instantly.
: Maybe make that a Free Action?

Ah. Very good. This sounds perfect.

Later,
Georg

--
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| "The Clan's are marching 'gainst the law - |
| bagpipers play the tunes of war - death or glory I will find - |
| rebellion on my mind" |
| Grave Digger - "Rebellion" |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Georg Greve greve@*******.Hanse.DE |
| Tel.: +49-40-23809080 greve@*******.uni-hamburg.de |
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Message no. 9
From: Georg Greve <greve@*******.HANSE.DE>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 18:44:40 GMT
I (greve@*******.hanse.de) wrote:
: *giggle* I think it should be something like "the maximum force of the
: adhesion power is equal to the maximum force the character could lift"
: to keep things plain and simple. This way the adhesion power isn't
: able to harm you really bad by itself. Just imagine an "infinite
: force" adhesion power: Your arms / legs / whatever you stick to the
: surface with could be ripped off... *shiver*

Ooops, I just realized this could easily be misinterpreted / I wrote
this down in a very ambiguous way, it should be "the maximum weight
that can be carried by this power should be lifting capability
(forcex20) PLUS the characters own weight", otherwise a lot of characters
wouldn't be able to support their own weight which would be pretty
silly, huh ?

Later,
Georg

--
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| "The Clan's are marching 'gainst the law - |
| bagpipers play the tunes of war - death or glory I will find - |
| rebellion on my mind" |
| Grave Digger - "Rebellion" |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Georg Greve greve@*******.Hanse.DE |
| Tel.: +49-40-23809080 greve@*******.uni-hamburg.de |
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Message no. 10
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 15:15:55 -0800
On Sat, 28 Dec 1996, Georg Greve wrote:
[snip other stuff about the "Elemental Effects for Killing hands"]

>
> But it is an interesting idea - how do you think will the EE work ?
> Did you think it will engulf the victim or just be at the spot where
> the victim gets hit ?
>
> Later,
> Georg

The impression I got was of the Physad's hands bursting into (flames or
what ever effect you use) when they hit. You would then calculate
"Secondary Effects" as if it were a damaging manipulation. In the case of
flames, stuff would ignite at the point of impact, etc..

~Tim
Message no. 11
From: Benjamin <benjamin@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 16:13:49 PST
>Hmmm... what do you mean by "for each of his Killing Hands powers" ? I
>always thought you purchase this power only once - or did you mean
>"for each of his hands" ? That would be hard to build into the combat
>system because it assumes each melee round is a combination of several
>strikes/blocks/counterstrikes ...

Actually, the description says you can buy it at different damage
levels, although I've never seen anyone actually do that.
Message no. 12
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 21:05:04 EST
On Sat, 28 Dec 1996 16:13:49 PST Benjamin <benjamin@*****.COM> writes:
>>Hmmm... what do you mean by "for each of his Killing Hands powers" ?
>I
>>always thought you purchase this power only once - or did you mean
>>"for each of his hands" ? That would be hard to build into the combat
>>system because it assumes each melee round is a combination of
>several
>>strikes/blocks/counterstrikes ...
>
>Actually, the description says you can buy it at different damage
>levels, although I've never seen anyone actually do that.
>
As I recall, the way it was worded seemed to suggest that you buy it at
Light in creation and upgrade by paying the difference in cost as more
magic points became available. Since you had then paid for each level at
once, you could use Killing Hands at any Damage level you wished. But
then, since I don't have the SRII book, I'm A) working from memory, and
B) quite possibly mis-quoting.

Canthros-the-shapeshifter-mage
Message no. 13
From: Benjamin <benjamin@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 19:53:30 PST
>As I recall, the way it was worded seemed to suggest that you buy it at
>Light in creation and upgrade by paying the difference in cost as more
>magic points became available. Since you had then paid for each level at
>once, you could use Killing Hands at any Damage level you wished. But
>then, since I don't have the SRII book, I'm A) working from memory, and
>B) quite possibly mis-quoting.

To do that would cost:(I don't have the book either)
L cost+M cost+S cost+D cost
making it much more expensive than D.
Message no. 14
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 20:06:50 -0800
On Sat, 28 Dec 1996, Benjamin wrote:

> >As I recall, the way it was worded seemed to suggest that you buy it at
> >Light in creation and upgrade by paying the difference in cost as more
> >magic points became available. Since you had then paid for each level at
> >once, you could use Killing Hands at any Damage level you wished. But
> >then, since I don't have the SRII book, I'm A) working from memory, and
> >B) quite possibly mis-quoting.
>
> To do that would cost:(I don't have the book either)
> L cost+M cost+S cost+D cost
> making it much more expensive than D.
>

Nooo...the key word was 'difference' in cost.

Thus if the costs are: L-1, M-2, S-4, D-8 (and I have no idea what they
ACTUALLY are, but just go with it..)

You subtract the lower levels cost from the next level, thus:

To get to S, you would buy L for 1, M for (2-1=1), and S for (4-2=2),
which totals 4 either way you do it.

~Tim
Message no. 15
From: Georg Greve <greve@*******.HANSE.DE>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 10:00:22 GMT
Tim Cooper (tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU) wrote:
: The impression I got was of the Physad's hands bursting into (flames or
: what ever effect you use) when they hit. You would then calculate
: "Secondary Effects" as if it were a damaging manipulation. In the case of
: flames, stuff would ignite at the point of impact, etc..

Makes sense... I think this could be an interesting power.

Later,
Georg

--
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| "The Clan's are marching 'gainst the law - |
| bagpipers play the tunes of war - death or glory I will find - |
| rebellion on my mind" |
| Grave Digger - "Rebellion" |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Georg Greve greve@*******.Hanse.DE |
| Tel.: +49-40-23809080 greve@*******.uni-hamburg.de |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Message no. 16
From: Benjamin <benjamin@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 12:12:52 PST
>Nooo...the key word was 'difference' in cost.
>
>Thus if the costs are: L-1, M-2, S-4, D-8 (and I have no idea what they
>ACTUALLY are, but just go with it..)
>
>You subtract the lower levels cost from the next level, thus:
>
>To get to S, you would buy L for 1, M for (2-1=1), and S for (4-2=2),
>which totals 4 either way you do it.

Then you would be able to use it only at S.
Message no. 17
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 08:14:08 -0700
Georg Greve wrote:
|
| Tim Cooper (tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU) wrote:
| : The impression I got was of the Physad's hands bursting into (flames or
| : what ever effect you use) when they hit. You would then calculate
| : "Secondary Effects" as if it were a damaging manipulation. In the case of
| : flames, stuff would ignite at the point of impact, etc..
|
| Makes sense... I think this could be an interesting power.

Reminds me of the the physad from "Big Trouble in Little
China" that could shoot lightning (Storm?). I've been
thinking of making the Elemental Physad for my game
(priority A) to duplicate this.

-David

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Message no. 18
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 14:57:57 -0500
At 11:50 AM 12/27/96 GMT, you wrote:
>Hi everyone !
>
>I just had an idea for a new PA power and would like to hear some
>comments.
>
>
>"Adhesion" - Cost: 1.0
>
[SNIP details of power]

>This power is perfect for climbing buildings, hanging under ceilings
>and walking along a ceiling upside down... ;-)
>
>
>O.k. - that's basically my idea... any suggestions/comments ?
>
Spider-Man, Spider-Man, does whatever a spider can.
Spins a web, any size, catches thieves, just like flies.
Look out! Here comes the Spider-Man.

(This continues on for several more verses, but I'll be nice...:))

Bull

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Message no. 19
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 21:26:30 +0000
|Spider-Man, Spider-Man, does whatever a spider can.
|Spins a web, any size, catches thieves, just like flies.
|Look out! Here comes the Spider-Man.
|
|(This continues on for several more verses, but I'll be nice...:))

You seem to have missed my post.....
I came up with exactly the same thing....
(Apart from suggesting "Enhanced Strength" and a quickened "Detect
Enemies"...

That way, he has all the Spidee powers....

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Message no. 20
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 17:01:11 -0500
>You seem to have missed my post.....
>I came up with exactly the same thing....
>(Apart from suggesting "Enhanced Strength" and a quickened "Detect
>Enemies"...
>
>That way, he has all the Spidee powers....
>
Actually, Andy, I caught your post about five minutes after I sent mine out
(I can't filter my mail, or set it thread...:( So I have to make doue with
reading them in the order that I recieve them.)

And a spiderman character would be a great one to play. Maybe next time I
make up a character...:)

Oh, and does anyone have any stats on a web-shooter?

Bull

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= chaos@*****,com =
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= "Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours?" =
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-Me, after seeing the trailers for the Star
Wars Special Editions in the theater.
Message no. 21
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 21:52:42 +0000
|Oh, and does anyone have any stats on a web-shooter?

Just give the character a high intelligence and build repair skill and have
him design it....

(After all... Peter Parker did....)

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Message no. 22
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 17:24:46 -0500
At 07:18 PM 12/27/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Benjamin wrote:
>|
>| >Hi everyone !
>| >
>| >I just had an idea for a new PA power and would like to hear some
>| >comments.
>| <snip power>
>| >O.k. - that's basically my idea... any suggestions/comments ?
>|
>| Don't forget that all the blood would rush to your head if you're
>| walking upside down, and things like that.
>
>And, walls and ceilings usually aren't designed to bear those kinds of
>weight loads (no one ever complains when Spidey crawls across an office
>ceiling and doesn't pull the tiles loose).
>
Hey, it's fantasy (or Sci-Fi, or whatever)... Certain laws of physics can
be ignored...:)

Besides, maybe Spidey has it combined with traceless Walk...:)

Bull

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= Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich =
= =
= chaos@*****,com =
= =
= "Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours?" =
=======================================================

"Ooooohhhhhhh!"
-Me, after seeing the trailers for the Star
Wars Special Editions in the theater.
Message no. 23
From: Faux Pas <thomas@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 18:17:52 -0600
>>| Don't forget that all the blood would rush to your head if you're
>>| walking upside down, and things like that.
>>
>>And, walls and ceilings usually aren't designed to bear those kinds of
>>weight loads (no one ever complains when Spidey crawls across an office
>>ceiling and doesn't pull the tiles loose).
>>
>Hey, it's fantasy (or Sci-Fi, or whatever)... Certain laws of physics can
>be ignored...:)
>
>Besides, maybe Spidey has it combined with traceless Walk...:)

The thing I always wondered about was: Spider-Man's got gloves and booties
on his costume, right? Shouldn't he just be sticking to the inside of his suit?

A while back, I was toying with an idea for an ork with the magnetic
cyber-hands and a high stealth. Spider-Ork.

-Thomas Deeny
the Cartoonist at Large is moving his web site.

"What did we learn about Aztecs today, Arthur? Well, not much."
-The Tick, "Tick vs The Aztecs"
Message no. 24
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 19:45:01 EST
On Mon, 30 Dec 1996 17:24:46 -0500 Bull <chaos@*****.COM> writes:
>At 07:18 PM 12/27/96 -0700, you wrote:
>>Benjamin wrote:
>>|
>>| >Hi everyone !
>>| >
>>| >I just had an idea for a new PA power and would like to hear some
>>| >comments.
>>| <snip power>
>>| >O.k. - that's basically my idea... any suggestions/comments ?
>>|
>>| Don't forget that all the blood would rush to your head if you're
>>| walking upside down, and things like that.
>>
>>And, walls and ceilings usually aren't designed to bear those kinds
>of
>>weight loads (no one ever complains when Spidey crawls across an
>office
>>ceiling and doesn't pull the tiles loose).
>>
>Hey, it's fantasy (or Sci-Fi, or whatever)... Certain laws of physics
>can
>be ignored...:)

And, more importantly, it's a comic book which means that certain laws of
physics will be ignored in the interest of a good story:)
>
>Besides, maybe Spidey has it combined with traceless Walk...:)
>
>Bull
Ah, you win a No-Prize!

Canthros-the-shapeshifter-mage-who's-read-far-too-many-comics-for-his-own-good
Message no. 25
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 16:58:59 -0800
On Mon, 30 Dec 1996, David Buehrer wrote:

> Georg Greve wrote:
>
> Reminds me of the the physad from "Big Trouble in Little
> China" that could shoot lightning (Storm?). I've been
> thinking of making the Elemental Physad for my game
> (priority A) to duplicate this.
>
> -David
>

Isn't there a power in Awakenings that lets you use your Killing Hands at
a distance?....ah there it is: "Distance Strike".

It'd be a cool trick to combine all three (KH, Dist.Strike, Elem.
Effects-lightning) for almost the same effect that you're thinking of.

'Course it'd be costly, double cost for at least one of the powers (per
the stipulation on learning Distance Strike..)

~Tim
Message no. 26
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 01:06:18 +0000
|Isn't there a power in Awakenings that lets you use your Killing Hands at
|a distance?....ah there it is: "Distance Strike".
|
|It'd be a cool trick to combine all three (KH, Dist.Strike, Elem.
|Effects-lightning) for almost the same effect that you're thinking of.
|
|'Course it'd be costly, double cost for at least one of the powers (per
|the stipulation on learning Distance Strike..)

How about.....

Adding the visual effect of fire/lightning/ice/whatever without the actual
added elemental effect?

You still get the damage, you get the intimidation effect, but it should
cost a lot less.....
--
______________________________________________________________________________
|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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Message no. 27
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 17:29:11 -0800
On Mon, 30 Dec 1996, Bull wrote:
>
> Oh, and does anyone have any stats on a web-shooter?
>
> Bull
>

Street Sam's Catalog.....on a page entitled "Net-Gun"...or a suitably
modified version thereof.

~Tim
Message no. 28
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 17:42:41 -0800
On Mon, 30 Dec 1996, Faux Pas wrote:
>
> A while back, I was toying with an idea for an ork with the magnetic
> cyber-hands and a high stealth. Spider-Ork.
>
> -Thomas Deeny
>

Solution: "Monofilament Handgrapplers" (ala KAGE v1, iss.2, pg 45)
Essence Cost Availability SI
.4 12,000 6/3 days 2

Lets you scale ANYTHING solid at a speed of Str. * 3 meters per turn.

~Tim
Message no. 29
From: "V.A.L.I.S." <campbellcc@***.HENDRIX.EDU>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 20:25:39 +0100
>Spider-Man, Spider-Man, does whatever a spider can.
>Spins a web, any size, catches thieves, just like flies.
>Look out! Here comes the Spider-Man.
>

You know, the whole gamut of superhero powers could simply be created and
drawn by people who have genetic memories of before the mana level dropped.
This way you could introduce Phys ads who have all kinds of 'super powers',
only as NPC's as course... ;-> (evil DM grin)


Sincerely,

Courtney C. Campbell...
(Male-Agnostic-Heterosexual-American)

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Message no. 30
From: Georg Greve <greve@*******.HANSE.DE>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 23:03:08 GMT
Bull (chaos@*****.COM) wrote:

: >And, walls and ceilings usually aren't designed to bear those kinds of
: >weight loads (no one ever complains when Spidey crawls across an office
: >ceiling and doesn't pull the tiles loose).
: Hey, it's fantasy (or Sci-Fi, or whatever)... Certain laws of physics can
: be ignored...:)
: Besides, maybe Spidey has it combined with traceless Walk...:)

See ? So the rule reflects the reality just fine ! *grin* [serious
loss of reality detected]

Later,
Georg

P.S. When I made that power up I actually thought more of those Ninja
movies where people hang on walls / beneath ceilings or climb all
kinds of walls... but I have to admit that it is very spidey. Does
anyone care creating one and posting it here ? ;-)

--
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| "The Clan's are marching 'gainst the law - |
| bagpipers play the tunes of war - death or glory I will find - |
| rebellion on my mind" |
| Grave Digger - "Rebellion" |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Georg Greve greve@*******.Hanse.DE |
| Tel.: +49-40-23809080 greve@*******.uni-hamburg.de |
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Message no. 31
From: Charles Baker <karolusb@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 22:12:03 -0800
Tim Cooper wrote:

> Solution: "Monofilament Handgrapplers" (ala KAGE v1, iss.2, pg 45)
> Essence Cost Availability SI
> .4 12,000 6/3 days 2
>
> Lets you scale ANYTHING solid at a speed of Str. * 3 meters per turn.
>
> ~Tim

Way too fast in practice, we would always joke about how the troll in
our group could lay down and pull himself over the ground more than
twice as fast as he could run.
Message no. 32
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 01:35:40 -0500
At 08:25 PM 12/30/96 +0100, you wrote:
>>Spider-Man, Spider-Man, does whatever a spider can.
>>Spins a web, any size, catches thieves, just like flies.
>>Look out! Here comes the Spider-Man.
>>
>
>You know, the whole gamut of superhero powers could simply be created and
>drawn by people who have genetic memories of before the mana level dropped.
>This way you could introduce Phys ads who have all kinds of 'super powers',
>only as NPC's as course... ;-> (evil DM grin)
>
I've been thinking about that myself lately... I thuink it would be kinda
cool... But then, I was raised on Marvel Comics (back when they were still
fun, not the commercial shit they have now).

As soon as I can get ahold of the Grimmy, Awakenings, Shadowtech, and
Cybertech, I'll start working on Phys-ad and Sammy super-heros based on
various DC and Marvel characters.

Bull

=======================================================
= Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich =
= =
= chaos@*****,com =
= =
= "Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours?" =
=======================================================

"Ooooohhhhhhh!"
-Me, after seeing the trailers for the Star
Wars Special Editions in the theater.
Message no. 33
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:54:21 -0800
On Sun, 29 Dec 1996, Charles Baker wrote:

> Tim Cooper wrote:
>
> > Solution: "Monofilament Handgrapplers" (ala KAGE v1, iss.2, pg 45)
> > Essence Cost Availability SI
> > .4 12,000 6/3 days 2
> >
> > Lets you scale ANYTHING solid at a speed of Str. * 3 meters per turn.
> >
> > ~Tim
>
> Way too fast in practice, we would always joke about how the troll in
> our group could lay down and pull himself over the ground more than
> twice as fast as he could run.
>

:) :)

To all those who were searching for a definition of "Munchkinism", I think
you can add that one...

:) :)

Besides, you'd think that the money he spent on getting all his clothes
and armor cleaned would make that mode of travel impractical..



A-LOL-~Tim
Message no. 34
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 18:13:10 EST
On Mon, 30 Dec 1996 23:03:08 GMT Georg Greve <greve@*******.HANSE.DE>
writes:
>Bull (chaos@*****.COM) wrote:
>
>: >And, walls and ceilings usually aren't designed to bear those kinds
>of
>: >weight loads (no one ever complains when Spidey crawls across an
>office
>: >ceiling and doesn't pull the tiles loose).
>: Hey, it's fantasy (or Sci-Fi, or whatever)... Certain laws of
>physics can
>: be ignored...:)
>: Besides, maybe Spidey has it combined with traceless Walk...:)
>
>See ? So the rule reflects the reality just fine ! *grin* [serious
>loss of reality detected]
>
>Later,
> Georg
>
>P.S. When I made that power up I actually thought more of those Ninja
>movies where people hang on walls / beneath ceilings or climb all
>kinds of walls... but I have to admit that it is very spidey. Does
>anyone care creating one and posting it here ? ;-)
>
Create which? A ninja or a spider-man?

Canthros-the-shapeshifter-mage
Message no. 35
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 18:13:10 EST
On Mon, 30 Dec 1996 20:25:39 +0100 "V.A.L.I.S."
<campbellcc@WWW.HENDRIX.EDU>; writes:
>>Spider-Man, Spider-Man, does whatever a spider can.
>>Spins a web, any size, catches thieves, just like flies.
>>Look out! Here comes the Spider-Man.
>>
>
>You know, the whole gamut of superhero powers could simply be created
>and
>drawn by people who have genetic memories of before the mana level
>dropped.
>This way you could introduce Phys ads who have all kinds of 'super
>powers',
>only as NPC's as course... ;-> (evil DM grin)

Oooh! And they could be BTL burn-outs! Who think they're really the
super-heroes! And they could go about right wrongs and correcting
injustices! And they could...nah, it'd never work:) Seriously, though.
There was a Superhero contact (a physad who apparently grew up reading
one too many comics). It would surprise me quite a bit, actually, if such
characters did not exist. Granted, they'd probably be viewed as loons
(not the birds:) And if such people did exist, they'd either have joined
the police department to fulfill their dreams of righting the world's
wrongs, or they'd go the costumes and capes route, righting wrongs as
they could, when they found them, stopping bank robberies, leaping over
tall buildings, faster-than-a-speeding-bullet, etc. And while more than a
tad bit nuts, they'd be powerful. And could make for interesting
opposition/allies/background.
>
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Courtney C. Campbell...
>(Male-Agnostic-Heterosexual-American)
Seriously,

John E. Pederson
(Male-Christian-Heterosexual-American)
aka
Canthros-the-shapeshifter-mage
Message no. 36
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 23:25:36 +0000
|they could, when they found them, stopping bank robberies, leaping over
|tall buildings, faster-than-a-speeding-bullet, etc. And while more than a
|tad bit nuts, they'd be powerful. And could make for interesting
|opposition/allies/background.

Check out the Shadowtech or Street Sam Catalogue....
I can't remember which, but one of the shadowland posts takes the mickey out
of that when commenting on the hydraulic legs.....

(I think.....)
--
______________________________________________________________________________
|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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|X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! >*SULK*<|
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Message no. 37
From: Fro <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 16:39:19 -0700
At 23:25 12/31/96 +0000, you wrote:
>Check out the Shadowtech or Street Sam Catalogue....
>I can't remember which, but one of the shadowland posts takes the mickey out
>of that when commenting on the hydraulic legs.....
>
>(I think.....)

I don't own ShadowTech, but I did a quick flip through and didn't find
anything about it in SSC. Must be ShadowTech then...which I really should
pick up one of these days.

Fro-the-extremely-jealous-of-Skye-bragging-bout-his-new-books
Message no. 38
From: Faux Pas <thomas@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 18:13:12 -0600
>>Check out the Shadowtech or Street Sam Catalogue....
>>I can't remember which, but one of the shadowland posts takes the mickey out
>>of that when commenting on the hydraulic legs.....

Yep, it's Kent's comments about having wired reflexes (faster than a
speeding bullet...), muscle replacements (more powerful than a
locomotive...), and hydraulic legs (able to leap tall buildings in a single
bound...) in Shadowtech. He says something about completing the set.

-Thomas Deeny
the Cartoonist at Large is moving his web site.

"Formed the Jackie Chan Stuntmen's Association after so many stuntmen were
injured during the making of Police Story that none were willing to work
with him again."
-from www.firststrike.com's chronology of Jackie Chan.
Message no. 39
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 17:22:41 -0800
On Tue, 31 Dec 1996, John E Pederson wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Dec 1996 20:25:39 +0100 "V.A.L.I.S."

[snip previous super-hero suggestion..]

>
> Oooh! And they could be BTL burn-outs! Who think they're really the
> super-heroes! And they could go about right wrongs and correcting
> injustices! And they could...nah, it'd never work:) Seriously, though.
> There was a Superhero contact (a physad who apparently grew up reading
> one too many comics). It would surprise me quite a bit, actually, if such
> characters did not exist. Granted, they'd probably be viewed as loons
> (not the birds:) And if such people did exist, they'd either have joined
> the police department to fulfill their dreams of righting the world's
> wrongs, or they'd go the costumes and capes route, righting wrongs as
> they could, when they found them, stopping bank robberies, leaping over
> tall buildings, faster-than-a-speeding-bullet, etc. And while more than a
> tad bit nuts, they'd be powerful. And could make for interesting
> opposition/allies/background.
> >
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >Courtney C. Campbell...
> >(Male-Agnostic-Heterosexual-American)
> Seriously,
>
> John E. Pederson
> (Male-Christian-Heterosexual-American)
> aka
> Canthros-the-shapeshifter-mage
>

Well, I remember some one asking a while ago about other magic
traditions. Why not simply have a bunch of fraggers running around who
think their magic abilities (both spells and physad powers) are
"Super-Hero" powers. Like he said, they grew up reading too many comic
books and maybe didn't buy into the whole "magic-mana-etc" thing..end
result they reationalize their awakened talents as "Super-Powers", don a
neon and pastel leotard and go off to "Save the World" (or destroy it, as
the case may be..)

~Tim
(Male-Christian-Heterosexual-Anglo-American-between-the-ages-of-18-and-25)
aka 'Minority'
Message no. 40
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 01:26:01 +0000
|~Tim
|(Male-Christian-Heterosexual-Anglo-American-between-the-ages-of-18-and-25)
|aka 'Minority'
|

Yep.... You must be a minority.....
Not many christians left.... >*snicker*<
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|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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|X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! >*SULK*<|
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Message no. 41
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 23:39:19 EST
On Wed, 1 Jan 1997 01:26:01 +0000 Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
writes:
>|~Tim
>|(Male-Christian-Heterosexual-Anglo-American-between-the-ages-of-18-and-25)
>|aka 'Minority'
>|
>
>Yep.... You must be a minority.....
>Not many christians left.... >*snicker*<
To that I have one thing to say to you :P~~~~~~
So there.

Canthros-the-shapeshifter-mage
Message no. 42
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 23:39:19 EST
On Tue, 31 Dec 1996 23:25:36 +0000 Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
writes:
>Check out the Shadowtech or Street Sam Catalogue....
>I can't remember which, but one of the shadowland posts takes the
>mickey out
>of that when commenting on the hydraulic legs.....
>
>(I think.....)
Yeah, that's in Shadowtech. Someone posting under either Kent or Clark
(can't remember which off-hand) mentioned that it would be the last thing
he needed to complete his image: "Wired 3, Muscle Aug. 5 [sic], and
Hydraulic Ram lvl. 6" so that he'd be "faster than a speeding bullet,
stronger than a speeding train and able to leap over tall buildings in a
single bound" :)

Canthros-the-shapeshifter-mage
Message no. 43
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 23:39:19 EST
On Tue, 31 Dec 1996 17:22:41 -0800 Tim Cooper
<tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU> writes:
<snipping ~Tim quoting me>
>
>Well, I remember some one asking a while ago about other magic
>traditions. Why not simply have a bunch of fraggers running around
>who
>think their magic abilities (both spells and physad powers) are
>"Super-Hero" powers. Like he said, they grew up reading too many
>comic
>books and maybe didn't buy into the whole "magic-mana-etc" thing..end
>result they reationalize their awakened talents as "Super-Powers", don
>a
>neon and pastel leotard and go off to "Save the World" (or destroy it,
>as
>the case may be..)
>
Oh, sure. All kidding aside, it could happen. It would fall under the
self-created tradition stuff in Awakenings, I think. Most would really be
Adepts, but that shouldn't impede the strength of their abilities, only
the variety a particular character would possess.
>~Tim
>(Male-Christian-Heterosexual-Anglo-American-between-the-ages-of-18-and-25)
>aka 'Minority'
Doesn't make you a minority, that's why we don't get any "special
rights", aka Affirmative Action, to make us "equal" to the rest of the
population of the USA:(

Canthros-the-hates-Affirmative-Action-male-Christian-Heterosexual-Anglo-American-who's-not-18-yet-shapeshifter-mage
Message no. 44
From: "Falin \"Dark-Claw\"" <jhyatt@****.WINCOM.NET>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 00:41:35 -0500
> Yeah, that's in Shadowtech. Someone posting under either Kent or Clark
> (can't remember which off-hand)

It is Kent
Message no. 45
From: Georg Greve <greve@*******.HANSE.DE>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 13:19:34 GMT
John E Pederson (lobo1@****.COM) wrote:
: >P.S. When I made that power up I actually thought more of those Ninja
: >movies where people hang on walls / beneath ceilings or climb all
: >kinds of walls... but I have to admit that it is very spidey. Does
: >anyone care creating one and posting it here ? ;-)
: Create which? A ninja or a spider-man?
: Canthros-the-shapeshifter-mage

Spidey ... I don't know enough about the powers he is supposed to
have/should have to do it myself.

Later,
Georg

P.S. Happy new year, everybody !!!!!

--
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| "The Clan's are marching 'gainst the law - |
| bagpipers play the tunes of war - death or glory I will find - |
| rebellion on my mind" |
| Grave Digger - "Rebellion" |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Georg Greve greve@*******.Hanse.DE |
| Tel.: +49-40-23809080 greve@*******.uni-hamburg.de |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Message no. 46
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 17:23:11 -0800
On Tue, 31 Dec 1996, John E Pederson wrote:

[snip Canthros snipping me quoting him]

> Oh, sure. All kidding aside, it could happen. It would fall under the
> self-created tradition stuff in Awakenings, I think. Most would really be
> Adepts, but that shouldn't impede the strength of their abilities, only
> the variety a particular character would possess.

Sure thing, no real game-stat diferences, just role-playing quirks, and in
some cases Geasa. I have a feeling though, that including them might
lower the level of 'seriousness' of a game...well, I guess it depends on
how it's used. I don't see any 'super-hero' getting a whole lot of
respect for being blatantly ignorant of the 'truth' of the matter by the
rest of the magical community...but then in other places s/he could end up
being a local myth or something..


> >~Tim
> >(Male-Christian-Heterosexual-Anglo-American-between-the-ages-of-18-and-25)
> >aka 'Minority'

> Doesn't make you a minority, that's why we don't get any "special
> rights", aka Affirmative Action, to make us "equal" to the rest of the
> population of the USA:(
>
>
Canthros-the-hates-Affirmative-Action-male-Christian-Heterosexual-Anglo-American-who's-not-18-yet-shapeshifter-mage
>

But see, the fact that we are being 'excluded' for the Affirm. Action mess
means we are in fact being DESCRIMINATED against because we AREN'T a
minority...:)

I've also decided that I get to call myself an "Anglo-American" because,
hey everyone else gets a hyphenated name and it's just as meaningless as
theirs. :)

(BTW I personally don't care at all about any of the above, I just get a
kick out of the fact that the more people try to compensate for racial
bias, the more they emphasize and perpetuate it...it's like telling
somebody "Try to forget about pink elephants, wipe the thought of pink
elephants from your mind, pink elephants absolutely without a doubt don't
exist, so what ever you do don't think about PINK ELEPHANTS!")

Oh, great, look what you made me go and do... Now I've gotten completely
off topic..:)

~Tim
Message no. 47
From: Charles Baker <karolusb@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 17:30:04 -0800
Tim Cooper wrote:
>
> On Sun, 29 Dec 1996, Charles Baker wrote:
>
> > Way too fast in practice, we would always joke about how the troll in
> > our group could lay down and pull himself over the ground more than
> > twice as fast as he could run.
> >
> To all those who were searching for a definition of "Munchkinism", I think
> you can add that one...
>
> :) :)
>
> Besides, you'd think that the money he spent on getting all his clothes
> and armor cleaned would make that mode of travel impractical..
>
> A-LOL-~Tim

The guy never actually did it, and between his wieght and the speed he
could travel I don't think it be cleaning, he'd be naked in no time.
Message no. 48
From: Nightlife <habenir@******.SAN.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 06:32:58 -0500
> Spidey ... I don't know enough about the powers he is supposed to
> have/should have to do it myself.
>
> Later,
> Georg

A brief list of his powers include. The ability to press 10 tons, cling
to walls, enhanced reflexes and agility, the famous spider sense, and a
slight healing factor that's continually hinted at.
Message no. 49
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 12:57:19 EST
On Wed, 1 Jan 1997 17:23:11 -0800 Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
writes:
>On Tue, 31 Dec 1996, John E Pederson wrote:
>
>[snip Canthros snipping me quoting him]
>
>> Oh, sure. All kidding aside, it could happen. It would fall under
>the
>> self-created tradition stuff in Awakenings, I think. Most would
>really be
>> Adepts, but that shouldn't impede the strength of their abilities,
>only
>> the variety a particular character would possess.
>
>Sure thing, no real game-stat diferences, just role-playing quirks,
>and in
>some cases Geasa. I have a feeling though, that including them might
>lower the level of 'seriousness' of a game...well, I guess it depends
>on
>how it's used. I don't see any 'super-hero' getting a whole lot of
>respect for being blatantly ignorant of the 'truth' of the matter by
>the
>rest of the magical community...but then in other places s/he could
>end up
>being a local myth or something..
Yeah. I don't see it as a big thing for PCs (unless you've got a loony:),
but they could make interesting NPCs...have the characters get stopped by
such a guy while exiting one of their less legal jobs. Then have the
"super-hero" demand that they surrender while they still have the
chance:)
>
<snip Affirm. Action>
>Oh, great, look what you made me go and do... Now I've gotten
>completely
>off topic..:)
Sorry:)
>
>~Tim
>
Canthros-the-shapeshifter-mage
Message no. 50
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 02:48:27 -0500
>On Wed, 1 Jan 1997 01:26:01 +0000 Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
>writes:
>>|~Tim
>>|(Male-Christian-Heterosexual-Anglo-American-between-the-ages-of-18-and-25)
>>|aka 'Minority'
>>|
>>
>>Yep.... You must be a minority.....
>>Not many christians left.... >*snicker*<
>To that I have one thing to say to you :P~~~~~~
>So there.
>
Apparantly, Andrew, there are a few of us left out here... Even on the
Shadowrun list...

Come now, Spikey, you weren't trying to slam Christians, now were you...:)

Bull-the-Hey!-I'm-a-Christiam-too-Ork-decker-turned-Gm

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Message no. 51
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 02:49:32 -0500
Bull wrote:
> Apparantly, Andrew, there are a few of us left out here... Even on the
> Shadowrun list...
> Come now, Spikey, you weren't trying to slam Christians, now were you...:)
> Bull-the-Hey!-I'm-a-Christiam-too-Ork-decker-turned-Gm

Count me in that few... and most of my friends too. But I know where
Spike's sarcasm comes from. Too many Christians are too stuck up. Turns
people off...

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Message no. 52
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 03:09:25 -0800
On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Drekhead wrote:

> Bull wrote:
> > Apparantly, Andrew, there are a few of us left out here... Even on the
> > Shadowrun list...
> > Come now, Spikey, you weren't trying to slam Christians, now were you...:)
> > Bull-the-Hey!-I'm-a-Christiam-too-Ork-decker-turned-Gm
>
> Count me in that few... and most of my friends too. But I know where
> Spike's sarcasm comes from. Too many Christians are too stuck up. Turns
> people off...
>
> --
> ====DREKHEAD=================================================================

Hmmm....it seems to me that that statement ('stuck up christians')
_OUGHT_ to be paradoxical, given the source of our beliefs...it's a shame
it's not.

..But that's an entirely NON-SR-related topic, a good one, but non-SR..

~Tim
Message no. 53
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:14:10 +0000
|>To that I have one thing to say to you :P~~~~~~
|>So there.
|>
|Apparantly, Andrew, there are a few of us left out here... Even on the
|Shadowrun list...
|
|Come now, Spikey, you weren't trying to slam Christians, now were you...:)

Well...

It's possible to make it a full time hobby one usenet.....
(Where they REALLY are loud and irritating....)

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Message no. 54
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:18:05 +0000
|
|Bull wrote:
|> Apparantly, Andrew, there are a few of us left out here... Even on the
|> Shadowrun list...
|> Come now, Spikey, you weren't trying to slam Christians, now were you...:)
|> Bull-the-Hey!-I'm-a-Christiam-too-Ork-decker-turned-Gm
|
|Count me in that few... and most of my friends too. But I know where
|Spike's sarcasm comes from. Too many Christians are too stuck up. Turns
|people off...

Yup... That's why I'm against 'em....
(Have any of you read usenet recently???)

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Message no. 55
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 14:36:34 -0800
On Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:18:05 +0000, Spike wrote:

>|Count me in that few... and most of my friends too. But I know where
>|Spike's sarcasm comes from. Too many Christians are too stuck up. Turns
>|people off...
>
>Yup... That's why I'm against 'em....

Well, between me and Bull (and whoever else on the list), you know a
few that aren't....
But, believe me, I know what you are saying. Exactly why I quit going
to church...

I would like to go again, but it is very hard these days to not get
into a group of hypocrites... Maybe I should start my own church.
Just need a few members....
Bull? :)






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Message no. 56
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: New PhysAd Power: Adhesion
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 18:34:18 -0800
On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Drekhead wrote:

> On Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:18:05 +0000, Spike wrote:
>
> >|Count me in that few... and most of my friends too. But I know where
> >|Spike's sarcasm comes from. Too many Christians are too stuck up. Turns
> >|people off...
> >
> >Yup... That's why I'm against 'em....
>
> Well, between me and Bull (and whoever else on the list), you know a
> few that aren't....
> But, believe me, I know what you are saying. Exactly why I quit going
> to church...
>
> I would like to go again, but it is very hard these days to not get
> into a group of hypocrites... Maybe I should start my own church.
> Just need a few members....
> Bull? :)
>
> ==== DREKHEAD =======================================================


"[Church] is not a museum for saints, it's a hospital for sinners.."
- a half remembered quote in response to a comment about hypocrisy I read
somewhere else.

'sides, no one's perfect (one exception, and it's definitely NOT me..).

~Tim

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