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Message no. 1
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: New Question: Critter Powers
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 19:20:33 -0500
>Hmmm.. an evil mage (GM NPC :) could create a spell which
>duplicates the critter power Alienation, cast it on a lock,
>place the lock on some poor mundane that has aggravated him
>(or is the target of a lucrative contract) and activate the
>lock :):):)

Do critter powers work in Astral space? (Would a projecting mage be
affected? A percepting? I usually rule that spells do not (at least not
spells that affect perceptions). Thus your target is saved as soon as he
runs into a sympathetic or curious magically active person.

I was on a run once where we were being subjected to Hypnotic song. I
projected astrally, and we were stuck on how to describe the situation.
Could I "battle" the affect astrally? Could I even see it? Was I still
being affected? If I projected into an area where Hypnotic song was being
used, but my body was safely far away, would I be affected?
Message no. 2
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: New Question: Critter Powers
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:04:51 -0700
Brett Borger wrote:
|
| Do critter powers work in Astral space? (Would a projecting mage be
| affected? A percepting? I usually rule that spells do not (at least not
| spells that affect perceptions). Thus your target is saved as soon as he
| runs into a sympathetic or curious magically active person.

Well, concealment spells don't work vs astral perception.
So your correct that the target could be saved by a mage
(or other "helpful" being <evil grin>). But if you're the
GM and you do this to a player, you're pretty much in
control of the situation.

-David
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Message no. 3
From: Denzil Kruse <dkruse@***.AZ05.BULL.COM>
Subject: Re: New Question: Critter Powers
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 23:19:00 MST
>Do critter powers work in Astral space? (Would a projecting mage be
>affected? A percepting? I usually rule that spells do not (at least not
>spells that affect perceptions). Thus your target is saved as soon as he
>runs into a sympathetic or curious magically active person.
>
>I was on a run once where we were being subjected to Hypnotic song. I
>projected astrally, and we were stuck on how to describe the situation.
>Could I "battle" the affect astrally? Could I even see it? Was I still
>being affected? If I projected into an area where Hypnotic song was being
>used, but my body was safely far away, would I be affected?

That's an interesting question. My magic theory skill is a little rusty,
but I'll make a guess. I would say the critter powers are basically the
innate ability to cast spells. They use totally different methods, but the
end results is a "living" construct of energy on the astral plane that has
almost the same properties as a spell.

So, you would use the same rules for seeing the power as a spell, assensing
it to see what it is, and can attack and maybe dispel the effect. However,
I would say that many critter powers, such as the barhest howl or hypnotic
song wouldn't affect an astral-only form because they were designed to work
on meat ears, even though the critters may be dual-natured.

Denzil Kruse
d.kruse@****.com
Message no. 4
From: Tim P Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: New Question: Critter Powers
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 01:40:16 EST
On Sat, 25 Jan 1997 23:19:00 MST Denzil Kruse <dkruse@***.AZ05.BULL.COM>
writes:

[snip "how do critter powers work on the astral plane"]

>That's an interesting question. My magic theory skill is a little
rusty,
>but I'll make a guess. I would say the critter powers are basically the
>innate ability to cast spells. They use totally different methods,
>but theend results is a "living" construct of energy on the astral plane
that
>has almost the same properties as a spell.
>
>So, you would use the same rules for seeing the power as a spell,
>assensing it to see what it is, and can attack and maybe dispel the
effect.
>However, I would say that many critter powers, such as the barhest howl
or
>hypnotic song wouldn't affect an astral-only form because they were
designed to
>work on meat ears, even though the critters may be dual-natured.

Yup, I also remember reading somewhere in either the SRII or one of the
Paranormal Animals books that critter powers _don't_ work on the astral
plane. It's the way that the astral energy construct interacts with the
physical target that creates the effect...the book even cited an example
of a basilisk's petrifying gaze power and how it was useless on the
astral plane even if the basilisk was duel natured.

That also brings an interesting question to mind, could you counter the
effects of a spirit's powers on the astral plane? I.e. batter down it's
Guard power, or destroy the Confusion that it is causing on your team?
Would these be any more difficult to work with, given that they may be
far more basic and 'primal', or pure versions of spells? (actaully these
questions apply equally to the critter question..)

>
>Denzil Kruse
>d.kruse@****.com
>

~Tim
Message no. 5
From: Glenn Royer <cyberspunk@********.NET>
Subject: Re: New Question: Critter Powers
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 12:20:38 -0500
SH>effects of a spirit's powers on the astral plane? I.e. batter down it's
SH>Guard power, or destroy the Confusion that it is causing on your team?
SH>Would these be any more difficult to work with, given that they may be
SH>far more basic and 'primal', or pure versions of spells? (actaully these
SH>questions apply equally to the critter question..)
SH>>Denzil Kruse

Well, a power like this is probably only going to be dispelled in
the same way a physical adept's power of "delay damage" is going to be
dispelled. (dispelled meaning counteracting; not suggesting spell ties)
Probably the only way to counteract it is to take it out at the
source.

the terrorist physad: "If you don't give me ten million nuyen and a
fully fueled plane, the slap i gave the mayor this morning will kill him
at 6pm tomorrow night!"
unless you cant use it with killing hands.. i dont have awakenings..

-cyberspunk
cat-who-slaps-mayors-alone
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Message no. 6
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: New Question: Critter Powers
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 02:31:50 -0500
>the terrorist physad: "If you don't give me ten million nuyen and a
>fully fueled plane, the slap i gave the mayor this morning will kill him
>at 6pm tomorrow night!"
>unless you cant use it with killing hands.. i dont have awakenings..

you can.

However, a warning like that would ruin the terrorists chances...an Initiate
can Dispell the damges before it takes effect. (And charge the mayor a
bundle....hm....do I smell a racket here....)

But Delay damage ends up as an Astral "hang-on" to his aura....I'm talking
about sustained Critter Powers....

-=SwiftOne=-
Message no. 7
From: Denzil Kruse <dkruse@***.AZ05.BULL.COM>
Subject: Re: New Question: Critter Powers
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:21:00 MST
SH>effects of a spirit's powers on the astral plane? I.e. batter down it's
SH>Guard power, or destroy the Confusion that it is causing on your team?
SH>Would these be any more difficult to work with, given that they may be
SH>far more basic and 'primal', or pure versions of spells? (actaully these
SH>questions apply equally to the critter question..)
SH>>Denzil Kruse

Hey! I really sound like I know what I'm talking about there! Wait...what
does i.e stand for? I never say i.e. do I?

But seriously folks <takes off rubber nose> The above quoted text was ~Tim
talking answering something I said. It really doesn't matter that much to
me, but I didn't say that up there even though my name is on it.

Denzil Kruse
d.kruse@****.com
Message no. 8
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: New Question: Critter Powers
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 17:37:42 +0000
|Hey! I really sound like I know what I'm talking about there! Wait...what
|does i.e stand for? I never say i.e. do I?

i.e >> that is....

(I think it's translated latin....)

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Message no. 9
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: New Question: Critter Powers
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:30:32 -0800
On Mon, 27 Jan 1997, Denzil Kruse wrote:

> SH>effects of a spirit's powers on the astral plane? I.e. batter down it's
> SH>Guard power, or destroy the Confusion that it is causing on your team?
> SH>Would these be any more difficult to work with, given that they may be
> SH>far more basic and 'primal', or pure versions of spells? (actaully these
> SH>questions apply equally to the critter question..)
> SH>>Denzil Kruse
^^

Ah, my unperceptive friend..you missed the double quote marker (>>)....And
fell right into my trap. I now see where your loyalties lie. Just for
that I shall....well, do nothing really cause I guess I forgot to sign
that post...


> Hey! I really sound like I know what I'm talking about there! Wait...what
> does i.e stand for? I never say i.e. do I?
>
> But seriously folks <takes off rubber nose> The above quoted text was ~Tim
> talking answering something I said. It really doesn't matter that much to
> me, but I didn't say that up there even though my name is on it.
>
> Denzil Kruse
> d.kruse@****.com
>

:)
~Tim (who always gets a kick out of it when he appears to know what he's
talking about...)
Message no. 10
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: New Question: Critter Powers
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 19:41:22 -0500
>Hey! I really sound like I know what I'm talking about there! Wait...what
>does i.e stand for? I never say i.e. do I?

Contrary to what some may beleive, "i.e." means "that is" (latin
abrv.)

To say "for/in example" use "e.g"

(I just saw an opportunity to voice another pet peeve of mine)

-=SwiftOne=-

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