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Message no. 1
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: New Races, and how they came about
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 11:38:18 -0500
First, put pixies aside for right now.

How could new races have suddenly come about? Where did the Minotaur come
from? The Gnome?

I think I have a way we could work this in.

Society sees a Minotaur. They are similiar in size to a Troll (although a
little different in that they have no dermal armour). But, because
society is blind and doesn't like change, they just classify this poor guy
as a troll and leave it as that.

After several years, as more and more Minotaur goblinize and they become
mroe noticeable, a political movement begins working towards defining them
as a seperate race of meta. The same can apply to Ogres (similiar to
trolls), Goblins (similiar to both orks and dwarves) and Gnomes (similiar
to dwarves). The TOSA is _really_ just an affirmation that these persons
have been recognized as a seperate race now. They've really been there
for a long time, just classified incorrectly. Because they got a later
start compared to other metas, they missed out on the first round of
classifications.

With a little creative writing, it could all be worked out perfectly.

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Random Thought:

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Message no. 2
From: "Dark Thought Publications." <JEK5313@*****.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: New races, and How They Came About.
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 14:18:21 -0500
]How could new races have suddenly come about? Where did the Minotaur come
]from? The Gnome?

[3.5kMp reinventing race conception and background deleted by SysOp.]

Well, in certain cases (that I know of, factually. I mean that I have looked
them up here.), such as the Minotaur and the Ogre, FASA has already provided
means to explain their "being left out" of the world. Besides the fact that it
simply takes time to get new stuff out, they just haven't been able to get
their act together on the European Paranormals book until recently.
What is said there, is that minotaurs and agres have the same relation to
humans as do trolls and ogres, respectively. The difference between a troll
and a minotaur is relegated to speculation on the different "flavour" of mana
in Europe, as contrasted with that of the Western Hemisphere.

It would be all well-and-good to design a past and explanation for a race that
didn't have one, Hayden, but this ignoring one which _does_ exist without the
slightest comment really is unbecoming.

Now, as for the other races proposed, I must inevitably concur with Powerhouse.
Urgh. . . .

-Flare
Message no. 3
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: New races, and How They Came About.
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 14:57:29 -0500
On Thu, 15 Jul 1993, Dark Thought Publications. wrote:

> It would be all well-and-good to design a past and explanation for a race that
> didn't have one, Hayden, but this ignoring one which _does_ exist without the
> slightest comment really is unbecoming.


I should be offended, but I won't be. As I have said before, I do not
have the critter books so all I can do is brainstorm about what I know and
hope someone checks me when I fuck up.

Thanks you.

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Message no. 4
From: "Dark Thought Publications." <JEK5313@*****.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: New races, and How They Came About.
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 00:23:02 -0500
]I should be offended, but I won't be. As I have said before, I do not
]have the critter books so all I can do is brainstorm about what I know and
]hope someone checks me when I fuck up.


Nah. Don't be. I just like to start up discussions of this nature with
something like: FASA's wrong. They're looking at it the wrong way. I just
feel like you're designing the solution to fit the need instead of the
(currently popular) designing the need to fit the solution.

As you said before, you can't please everyone. Because of this, I will only
say this once, and as nicely as I can: I do not agree with _any_ reasons to
support a pixie archetype, or a flying one of any nature. As Tom Dowd said
about vampyres as PCs: "I don't suggest it. The game system is not designed to
support it."

-Flare.
Message no. 5
From: Chris Siebenmann <cks@********.UTCS.TORONTO.EDU>
Subject: Re: New Races, and how they came about
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1993 19:07:57 -0400
I like to assume that there are actuall a multitude of slightly
varied races groupd together under 'orc' and 'troll' (and 'dwarf'
and 'elf' and even 'human'). These (sub)races can look different
without actually having stat differences, and whether or not the
scientists and general public consider them different enough to
warrant a new name can vary over time. Perhaps an interesting
extended series of adventures could be set around 'earning a name'
for a new sub-species.

- cks

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