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From:	CKS5888@*****.BITNET
Subject:	new topic
Date:	Mon, 22 Feb 93 15:57:00 CST

Message no. 1 Just out of curiosity, how does a loss of Essence affect behavior? In
other words, would the stereotypical street sam (Essence 0.01) act differently
from, for example, a combat mage (Essence 5.3), and, if so, how?

Anthony Stark

"Pain? Pain is like love, like compassion! It is only a thing for
lesser men. What is pain to Doom?"------------------Victor von Doom

From:	The Deb Decker <RJR96326@****.UTULSA.EDU>
Subject:	New Topic!
Date:	Sun, 18 Jul 1993 14:32:38 -0500

Message no. 2 Here's a new topic for everyone: Can you deck through another deck?
This is gonna be kinda long as I try to address all the aspects of the question I've come
up with.

1: Would you be able to use the persona programs and ratings of the second
deck? For instance, I use my Radio Shack to deck into my Fuchi Cyber-6 at
another site; can I use the Fuchi's stats?

2:Speed? Would I use my own deck's speed, or would I roll for both and use
the slower roll?

3: Matrix definition: I believe that personal computers, telecoms, and
cyberdecks left online are defined as blue nodes, with the exception of
pricey personal security (The Rockefeller telecomm has SOME security, I
imagine).

4:Why do it? This will depend on how we define it, but here's a proposition
(no snickering, please): I put cyberdeck A in Bellevue, and deck from B in
the barrens. I connect to A and go to the MCT computer. If they trace, they
go to Bellevue first. Would it neccesarily continue to my actual location?
I'm sure it would, but they might not check if they think they have the
location fixed.

5: Problem: If they are blue nodes, how will that affect load ratings, for
those of us who use them?

J Roberson
The trouble with the Guiding Hand of Fate is that you only see it in the
rear-view mirror.

From:	"Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject:	Re: New Topic!
Date:	Sun, 18 Jul 1993 14:40:06 -0500

Message no. 3 I think you'f be able to do it. From a security (ie, trace-n-whatever)
standpoint, it would be helpful.

I'd give it a +2 penalty on reaction (just like if using a comsat) and let it
go as that. The persona would be that of the SECOND deck.

A trace-n-FUBAR would hose the second deck and a second trace would have
to be initiated from that point to get to the real person.

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From:	"Dylan Norhtup (PHY)" <norhtup@*****.CAS.USF.EDU>
Subject:	Re: New Topic!
Date:	Mon, 19 Jul 1993 10:20:41 -0400

Message no. 4 On Sun, 18 Jul 1993, The Deb Decker wrote:

> Here's a new topic for everyone: Can you deck through another deck?
> This is gonna be kinda long as I try to address all the aspects of the question I've
come up with.
>
> 1: Would you be able to use the persona programs and ratings of the second
> deck? For instance, I use my Radio Shack to deck into my Fuchi Cyber-6 at
> another site; can I use the Fuchi's stats?

I would tend to say that you would have to use the lower of the two deck's
stats. When I modem to a mainframe that is connected real time to another
site. I am still going to get the information at 1200 baud (no snickers,
please). Also if I am running an Amiga 4000/040 with an accelerator, Ram
caches from hell, and chrome bumpers and I connect with a null modem cable
to my friends XT, I am going to be waiting on his processor to process the
information, no?

>
> 2:Speed? Would I use my own deck's speed, or would I roll for both and use
> the slower roll?

I assume that you are talking about Iniative here. Take the lowest of the
two's Enhanced Reflexes ratings and use that for Iniative.

>
> 3: Matrix definition: I believe that personal computers, telecoms, and
> cyberdecks left online are defined as blue nodes, with the exception of
> pricey personal security (The Rockefeller telecomm has SOME security, I
> imagine).

If you use it to deck I would not define it as a blue node. In that case
it is the same as your Radio Shack, just a little farther away.

>
> 4:Why do it? This will depend on how we define it, but here's a proposition
> (no snickering, please): I put cyberdeck A in Bellevue, and deck from B in
> the barrens. I connect to A and go to the MCT computer. If they trace, they
> go to Bellevue first. Would it neccesarily continue to my actual location?
> I'm sure it would, but they might not check if they think they have the
> location fixed.

I like it. Not munchkinism, but real thought and ingenuity! Have I told
you I'm impressed recently?

>
> 5: Problem: If they are blue nodes, how will that affect load ratings, for
> those of us who use them?

Cyberdecks are not meant to be connected to the Matrix w/o a user
connected to them. If you had a PC, however, connected to the Matrix
(which I might add would not work for this little proposition of linking
decks because it is not equipped to do the things a deck can do) it would
be a blue SPU, unless you spent major dough to upgrade it and put your
favourite Grey and Black IC in it.

All of the above is IMNSHO.

Doc X

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From:	"Dylan Norhtup (PHY)" <norhtup@*****.CAS.USF.EDU>
Subject:	Re: New Topic!
Date:	Mon, 19 Jul 1993 10:38:31 -0400

Message no. 5 On Sun, 18 Jul 1993, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> I think you'f be able to do it. From a security (ie, trace-n-whatever)
> standpoint, it would be helpful.
>
> I'd give it a +2 penalty on reaction (just like if using a comsat) and
let it
> go as that. The persona would be that of the SECOND deck.

I would reduce the penalty to +1. We're not dealing with nearly the
distance. Also in that +2 I also see the problems of maintaining a
satalite feed such as tracking, dealing with satalite security, etc. With
a friendly deck on an optical network you would not have those problems.

Also I WOULD use the second persona but only if that persona would be able
to run on the first deck (i.e. MPCP levels, Active Memory, etc.). As a
general guideline if you can't do it or use it on one of the decks you
can't use/do it period.

Again IMNSHO. (I also forgot to put these ideas into my last post. Don't
you hate it when you know that you have something that you forgot to put
in your mail but cannot remember it? I hate it when that happens.)

Doc X

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