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Message no. 1
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 18:24:58 -0600
For those fo you that don't know, there is a new RoboCop Television
series on now. It is syndicated so you will have to shop around for it.

I have it a very strong thumbs up. It is as whimsical as RoboCop I (the
1st movie) and presents a nice cyberpunkish setting.

In addition to officer Alex Murphy and his partner, we have the ever
ominous OCP (Omni Consumer Products). Also, we have a secretary that was
murdered to attempt to link her brain with a computer and was
successful. So now we have an AI that floats around too.

If you can catch the show, PLEASE watch. It is really quite good.

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Message no. 2
From: What's this button do? <GRAFF85@********.CORTLAND.EDU>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 21:04:30 -0400
>For those fo you that don't know, there is a new RoboCop Television
>series on now. It is syndicated so you will have to shop around for it.
>
>I have it a very strong thumbs up. It is as whimsical as RoboCop I (the
>1st movie) and presents a nice cyberpunkish setting.
>
>In addition to officer Alex Murphy and his partner, we have the ever
>ominous OCP (Omni Consumer Products). Also, we have a secretary that was
>murdered to attempt to link her brain with a computer and was
>successful. So now we have an AI that floats around too.

I saw a little clip of this show...I realy did not like it...RC is too
chocky....the show was too watered down as opposed to the RC movie. RC II bit
the left nut of a chimp in my opinion...RC III didn't see it. RC the movie was
a lot more morbid immoral "pre"-cyber punkish kinda era. I saw the AI bit
also....realy cheesy in my opinion. if the show was not a WWOR (Channel nine
same one with babylon-5 around where I live) production i might watch it...if
it made it to one of the bigger syndicates maybe... mostly because I don't get
those channels out here in east fumble frag NY (read as cortland NY, right next
to west bum frag)...now viper I think has posibilities

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Message no. 3
From: Dave Sherohman <esper@*****.IMA.UMN.EDU>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 21:48:33 CST
From: "Robert A. Hayden"
<hayden%KRYPTON.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU@***.spcs.umn.edu>
>For those fo you that don't know, there is a new RoboCop Television
>series on now. It is syndicated so you will have to shop around for it.

>I have it a very strong thumbs up. It is as whimsical as RoboCop I (the
>1st movie) and presents a nice cyberpunkish setting.

Ack! Ick! I saw the premeire last week and it turned my stomach to see how
thoroughly they emasculated the title character. In the entire hour, I
believe that Robo fired a grand total of four single shots from what was
orginally a high-ROF automatic weapon. Two shots were fired at little
demo charges to "open" doors - after having the explsive charge levels
carefully set to be just enough to open the door in question (oh, excuse me,
one of them was used to open a door, the other was to deal with an emplaced
heavy weapon (throwing the operator through the air, but not injuring him)),
one was used to shoot a gas tank so that the concussion would knock over
someone who was shooting at Robo (without using any cover, might I add), and
one was used to separate a cycle/sidecar combination that was charging him.
Then, at the end of the show, The Bad Guy's got Robo's partner and is using
her body as a shield and Robo's _ready_to_drop_his_gun_ to save her! Does
anyone else remember what he did in a basically identical situation in the
first movie? (Hint: That's one criminal who won't be having any children.)

They may call the show RoboCop, but it's really just some goody two-shoes
who looks like him.

>In addition to officer Alex Murphy and his partner, we have the ever
>ominous OCP (Omni Consumer Products). Also, we have a secretary that was
>murdered to attempt to link her brain with a computer and was
>successful. So now we have an AI that floats around too.

This was, admittedly, a decent idea. Too bad the rest of the show was so
revolting.

I suppose I should add that the atmosphere of the RoboCop series didn't
strike me as being at all cyberpunk, but that may just be because I've been
watching Max Headroom lately... (I got cable last month, and I've come to
the realization that Max Headroom and Battlestar Galactica aren't nearly as
cheesy as I'd been expecting... I watched both when they were running
originally, but everything else I was watching back then was pretty bad...)

esper@***.umn.edu
Message no. 4
From: Necromancer <shilberg@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 22:31:14 -0600
Yes, I found out that Max Headroom was on cable via alt.cyberpunk about two
months ago and I haven't missed an episode since. The show has a _great_
cyberpunk feel with only a few minor faults. I wish they would bring it back
on TV with new episodes, though!

Also, if you like to use the supernatural side of Shadowrun to a great degree
<and who doesn't>, watch the X-files....Really good for both supernatural and
conspiracy plot ideas. Better than the Twilight Zone and the Outer Limits if
you ask me!

Also, I was wondering if anyone had a list of movies that they thought might
be interesting to adapt into Shadowrun plotlines. Not including movies that
are standbys of cyberpunk per se, like _Blade Runner_, but just other cool
futuristic movies. He's a list of a few I thought of:

The Road Warrior <and its sequels; Libyan Desolation as a setting, maybe?>
Escape from New York <though you would have to make a major change to the
standard Shadowrun setting>

Any other suggestions?

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Message no. 5
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 00:03:41 -0500
On Sat, 26 Mar 1994, Necromancer wrote:

> Yes, I found out that Max Headroom was on cable via alt.cyberpunk about two
> months ago and I haven't missed an episode since. The show has a _great_
> cyberpunk feel with only a few minor faults. I wish they would bring it back
> on TV with new episodes, though!

I really loved that show...what network is running it?

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Message no. 6
From: Necromancer <shilberg@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 23:11:13 -0600
Bravo runs Max Headroom Friday nights/Saturday mornings at 12 midnight and
runs the same episode again Sunday night at 9 pm. All these times are CST,
BTW. I assume it is also on Network 23, too. ;)

- Necromancer
Message no. 7
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 01:25:32 -0600
I'm actually surprised at the negative reactions to this series.

Yes, it is watered down from the movies, but that is also because the
movie was Rated-R (it originally was rated X [before NC-17] due to violence,
but was cut). The series is a prime time TV show, which has to be mild
enough to be workable to ALL audiences. That means, no risque language,
no gratuitous killing or graphic maiming.

Still, as a story, I think it followed the movie very well and made a
good transformation to the small screen.

Maybe it is just me, but I like the idea of a cop show where everyone
doesn't get blown away.

Maybe I'm too old.

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Message no. 8
From: Dave Sherohman <esper@*****.IMA.UMN.EDU>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 11:38:23 CST
>Maybe it is just me, but I like the idea of a cop show where everyone
>doesn't get blown away.

Or maybe I should have been clearer - my problem wasn't so much the lack of
violence but rather that it _wasn't_ RoboCop. That is to say, though they
used the name and the image, the title character was someone else. (Uh-oh,
Robo's gonna lose Karma for not being played in character... ;)

esper@***.umn.edu
Message no. 9
From: Willard Cottrell <UGCOTTRE@******.BITNET>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 13:08:20 EST
Just started on this thing, but you're a great group;
I have'nt any suggestions about more movies, in my oppinion they're
all too bland, but to those of you who have'nt seen the Tek-War "movies"
on FOX, I deffinitely recommend them. Also to those people interrested
in getting into the vampires, CBS has a really good show on "Crimetime
After Primetime" Tuesday nights at 12:35 <EST>.
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No snappy Lines, give me some time.
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Message no. 10
From: Willard Cottrell <UGCOTTRE@******.BITNET>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 13:26:18 EST
WHOOPS!
Forgot to say the name of the vampire show;"Forever Knight" <catchy>
Will
Message no. 11
From: What's this button do? <GRAFF85@********.CORTLAND.EDU>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 13:54:45 -0400
>WHOOPS!
> Forgot to say the name of the vampire show;"Forever Knight"
<catchy>
> Will

I think that it is based on a movie that had a while ago about a guy who was a
cop/vampire. had a realy big car with lots of trunk space to hide in....

anyways i like NBC's VIPER.....may be a little too far fetched but it still has
less killing/death...more morals....and less hard core violence relying on
technology and illusion to take out and enemy and have them in enough of one
piece for the police to question them. I saw a viper up close (RT/10 to be
specific) and the damn thing does not even come up to my hip. un-fragging
believable.

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Message no. 12
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 15:06:49 -0600
On Sun, 27 Mar 1994, Dave Sherohman wrote:

> Or maybe I should have been clearer - my problem wasn't so much the lack of
> violence but rather that it _wasn't_ RoboCop. That is to say, though they
> used the name and the image, the title character was someone else. (Uh-oh,
> Robo's gonna lose Karma for not being played in character... ;)

1. Serve the public trust
2. Protect the innocent
3. Uphold the law

The law says you can't use any more violence than is necessary to
aprehend the suspect. Blowing them away for no reason is icky.

As for a different actor, Peter Weller (sp?) would be too expensive.

*sigh*

Now I _know_ I'm too old.


At the very least, it ISN'T trek.

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Message no. 13
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 20:59:42 -0500
>>>>> "DS" == Dave Sherohman <esper@*****.IMA.UMN.EDU>
writes:

DS> Ack! Ick! I saw the premeire last week and it turned my stomach to
DS> see how thoroughly they emasculated the title character. In the entire
DS> hour, I believe that Robo fired a grand total of four single shots from
DS> what was orginally a high-ROF automatic weapon.

Ah! I get to spout off about one of my most favorite handguns in existence!
[This is, of course, from the original movie; I don't want to bother with
the TV show.] The weapon in question is the Beretta 93R. It is a 9x19mm
handgun based on the Beretta 92 family, switchable between single shot and
3-round burst fire. It is properly classified as a machine pistol, not an
SMG, thus the burst limiter (I'll explain that in a moment). It is
technically a fully automatic weapon with a cyclic of 750 rpm, limited by
the burst limiter which cannot be disabled without replacing the action. It
comes with a folding front grip, and the oversized trigger guard allows for
the thumb of the fore hand to grip the weapon more easilly. It has a
detachable, folding shoulder stock. Standard magazine is 15 or 20 round
removable box.

In the movie, the weapon had a bunch of extra junk stuck on to make it look
``futuristic'' but the unique characteristics of the 93R, the folding
handle and oversized triggerguard, are quite obvious. They did use ``live''
ammunition in some scenes (the short brrppp! sounds are characteristic of a
burst limiter in use).

Machine pistols, like machineguns, use energy from firing one shot to
cycle the action and feed the next round; SMGs use a spring-loaded bolt to
do the same job. The ROF of a machine pistol is significantly higer than an
SMG because of this, and they become unwieldly very quickly.

More movie notes: watch La Femme Nikita. There is a scene similar to the
firing range in Robocop. Nikita uses the exact same weapon.

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Message no. 14
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 21:04:14 -0500
>>>>> "RAH" == Robert A Hayden
<hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU> writes:

RAH> Yes, it is watered down from the movies, but that is also because the
RAH> movie was Rated-R (it originally was rated X [before NC-17] due to
RAH> violence, but was cut).

Just a nit, but there is no official ``X'' rating; that is a ploy from the
companies who market sex flix. The official ratings are G, PG, PG-13, R,
NC-17, and Unrated. At the time, Robocop was unrated until some of the
violence was edited out.

RAH> The series is a prime time TV show, which has to be mild enough to be
RAH> workable to ALL audiences. That means, no risque language, no
RAH> gratuitous killing or graphic maiming.

Yeah, unfortunate though, as it does water down the nature of the world
it's set in, where gratuitious violence is commonplace.

[...]

RAH> Maybe it is just me, but I like the idea of a cop show where everyone
RAH> doesn't get blown away.

It's definitely a change from the norm.

RAH> Maybe I'm too old.

Wonderful. What does that make me? An old-timer at 27?

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Message no. 15
From: What's this button do? <GRAFF85@********.CORTLAND.EDU>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 21:09:43 -0400
Thank you very much Rat i have been wondering what type of pistol they used
in that movie.....
now can anyone translate the stats for an M-41A Pulse Rifle from aliens?
Ripley: What's this thing?
Hicks: That's the grenade launcher...you don't wanna mess with that...
Ripley: You started this thing...teach me everything. I can handle myself.
Hicks: I noticed.

--Phlatline
Message no. 16
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 21:11:32 -0500
>>>>> "RAH" == Robert A Hayden
<hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU> writes:

RAH> The law says you can't use any more violence than is necessary to
RAH> aprehend the suspect. Blowing them away for no reason is icky.

Correct. If the suspect is using lethal force to resist arrest, then lethal
force may be employed against said suspect. Standard police procedure.

RAH> As for a different actor, Peter Weller (sp?) would be too expensive.

No, Weller took the same tack as with Robocop 3: he took a look at the
scripts and the contract terms and said, ``no.'' He didn't want to get
stuck and burned like he did with Robocop 2 (he said ``yes'' to the Allan
Moore script, which got totally sliced, and since he had no creative
control... well, he wasn't very pleased). Peter Weller /will/ perform for
what he really likes at salaries much lower than his normal take; he's said
that he wants to do Buckaroo Banzai vs. the World Crime League and will do
it for roughly the same salary he got for the original.

RAH> At the very least, it ISN'T trek.

Don't say that too loud! Paramount might get ideas! (No, I don't like Next
Gen; no, I don't like DS9; and no, I probably won't like Voyager. I do,
however, like B5 :).

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Message no. 17
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 21:39:21 -0500
>>>>> "Wtbd" == What's this button do? <What> writes:

Wtbd> now can anyone translate the stats for an M-41A Pulse Rifle from
Wtbd> aliens?

Ick, no; the weapon, as depicted, could never exist. It's supposedly a 10mm
caseless assault rifle with integral 30mm grenade launcher. The grenade
launcher has a capacity of 5 rounds, not bad. But the 95-round clip for the
rifle is /way/ smaller than it should be. If it were a binary-propellant
model, maybe, but the weapon itself has no storage space for BP.

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Message no. 18
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 21:30:21 -0600
On Sun, 27 Mar 1994, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:

> RAH> Yes, it is watered down from the movies, but that is also because the
> RAH> movie was Rated-R (it originally was rated X [before NC-17] due to
> RAH> violence, but was cut).
>
> Just a nit, but there is no official ``X'' rating; that is a ploy from the
> companies who market sex flix. The official ratings are G, PG, PG-13, R,
> NC-17, and Unrated. At the time, Robocop was unrated until some of the
> violence was edited out.

You are wrong :-)

_Originally_ the X rating was designed for adult oriented moved (both
sexually and violently adult). It was an official rating for the MPRG.
Unfortunately, it soon became synomous with "porn". The "xxx" rating
was
ficticious and created by the porn industry to try to increase sales.

NC-17, was the answer. It was designed to be for movies that were
unsuitable for children, without the porn stigma of getting an 'X'
rating. But, NC-17 didn't come around until about 3 or 4 years ago
(there was some Lisa Bonnet [sp?] movie that was given an X rating and it
raised an uproar when the studio forced the producers to remove enough
scenes to make it just barely 'R').

RoboCop, the first movie, had enough graphic violence that it would have
gotten an X rating, dispite there being zero sexual content (well, there
is a scene with two breasts, big deal). They cut the film before release
to secure an R rating.

> Yeah, unfortunate though, as it does water down the nature of the world
> it's set in, where gratuitious violence is commonplace.

I don't mind much. I watch the storyline. I LIKE the storyline. The
acting is decent for a non-network show from a no-name production house
and the SPFX are also decent. If lack of violence is the biggest
complaint, I think it's time to overhaul our viewing expectations.

> RAH> Maybe I'm too old.
>
> Wonderful. What does that make me? An old-timer at 27?

We'll play shuffleboard together at the home.

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Message no. 19
From: What's this button do? <GRAFF85@********.CORTLAND.EDU>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 22:35:50 -0400
ok so 95 rounds for the M41A is a little far fetched....so make it like 30-42
rds......better yet i'll get into it...considering that most assault rifles in
SR _ARE_ caseless..'


--Dave
Message no. 20
From: Necromancer <shilberg@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 21:48:59 -0600
Yeah, TekWar hasn't been to bad. I was pleasantly surprised after the first
one, because it was much better <in my opinion> than Shatner's other directing
credit, ST5. However, the last one <TekLab, I think> was particularly
appropriate to SRII.

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Message no. 21
From: the holy Entombed <rasputin@***.UMD.EDU>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 01:12:55 -0500
On Sun, 27 Mar 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> Maybe it is just me, but I like the idea of a cop show where everyone
> doesn't get blown away.
>
> Maybe I'm too old.

Possibly; it's exactly what I've been pondering about myself recently.
I'm a sophomore in college, but violence is starting to bug me. I saw
"In the Line of Fire" for the first thyme the other night, and the deaths
of innocents in that movie, even the death of Eastwood's partner, really
hit me kind of hard. "RoboCop" bothered me a bit for the same reasons,
and I saw that years ago...

It's also one of the things that bothered me so much when I watched "Dr.
Who" regularly. It always seemed that the majority of the "good guys"
and innocent bystanders died needlessly.

Sorry. Just non-SR rambling again...
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Formerly "E", now...
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the holy [_ntombed :: Rasputin@***.umd.edu >> > > > > >
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> > > > > >

...New name, same great service!
Message no. 22
From: Matt <mosbun@******.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 02:10:19 -0500
>It's also one of the things that bothered me so much when I watched "Dr.
>Who" regularly. It always seemed that the majority of the "good
guys"
>and innocent bystanders died needlessly.

That's life. Who says the good guys always get to have a heroic death,
giving up his life to save others? Same for innocent bystanders.

>Sorry. Just non-SR rambling again...

Well, that's part of the cyberpunk feel. Good guys, when you can find them,
don't always last. As it was put to me once about Shadowrun, "You know where
good guys finish? Face down dead in a toilet bowl full of their own goodness."


Matt
Message no. 23
From: "C. Paul Douglas" <granite@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 10:21:21 -0500
> Also, I was wondering if anyone had a list of movies that they thought might
> be interesting to adapt into Shadowrun plotlines.

> The Road Warrior <and its sequels; Libyan Desolation as a setting, maybe?>
> Escape from New York <though you would have to make a major change to the
> standard Shadowrun setting>

The Tower [totally automated high tech office building with lethal
defenses goes berserk]
The Running Man
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Message no. 24
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 12:22:14 -0500
>>>>> "Wtbd" == What's this button do? <What> writes:

Wtbd> ok so 95 rounds for the M41A is a little far fetched....so make it
Wtbd> like 30-42 rds......better yet i'll get into it...considering that
Wtbd> most assault rifles in SR _ARE_ caseless..'

You're /still/ looking at a clip-size roughly 50 to 60 percent smaller than
it should be to hold the rounds. Caseless rounds aren't all that much
smaller than cased rounds, but because the propellant blocks are square,
you can fit 10 to 15 percent more in the same volume as cased rounds.
They're also about 25 percent lighter than cased.

The clips in the movie should be holding 10 to 15 rounds, tops, given their
volume, which is totally useless for a fully automatic battle rifle.

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Message no. 25
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 13:40:58 -0500
On Sun, 27 Mar 1994, Willard Cottrell wrote:

> Just started on this thing, but you're a great group;
> I have'nt any suggestions about more movies, in my oppinion they're
> all too bland, but to those of you who have'nt seen the Tek-War "movies"
> on FOX, I deffinitely recommend them. Also to those people interrested
> in getting into the vampires, CBS has a really good show on "Crimetime
> After Primetime" Tuesday nights at 12:35 <EST>.

Umm...I know its pretty anal of me to point this out, but seeing
as how I work in the programming department of a TV station I will anyway.
The Tek-War movies weren't on FOX, though some FOX stations picked 'em
up. They're part of a package deal called The Action Pack, which is being
distributed through Paramount (they're trying to start a new network in
the same way Fox did).
And, oddly enough, its the exact same deal with Crime Time after
Prime Time -- CBS doesn't run 'em, but some CBS affiliates may have picked
'em up seperately.
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Message no. 26
From: "C. Paul Douglas" <granite@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 20:26:00 -0500
> You're /still/ looking at a clip-size roughly 50 to 60 percent smaller than
> it should be to hold the rounds. Caseless rounds aren't all that much
> smaller than cased rounds, but because the propellant blocks are square,
> you can fit 10 to 15 percent more in the same volume as cased rounds.
> They're also about 25 percent lighter than cased.
>
> The clips in the movie should be holding 10 to 15 rounds, tops, given their
> volume, which is totally useless for a fully automatic battle rifle.

That is assuming that the same propellent is used in the future weapon as
is used today....
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Message no. 27
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 20:57:11 -0500
>>>>> "CPD" == C Paul Douglas <granite@*****.NET> writes:

CPD> That is assuming that the same propellent is used in the future weapon
CPD> as is used today....

I'm not assuming anything, I'm going by what's in the movie.

Ripley: Lieutennant, what do those pulse rifles fire?
Gorman: Ten millimeter explosive tipped caseless. Standard light armor
piercing round. Why?

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Message no. 28
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 21:25:57 -0500
>>>>> "SSR" == Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox> writes:

SSR> Gorman: Ten millimeter explosive tipped caseless. Standard light armor
SSR> piercing round. Why?

BTW, just for the hell of it, here's some math to go along with this, as a
bit of an abstract proof.

A 10mm rifle projectile will have an average length of 30mm, approximate
cylindrical volume of such a projectile would be 10mmX10mmX30mm, or 3000
cubic milimeters, or 3 cubic centimeters. The approximation is reasonable
as the round is cylindrical but I'm assuming rectangular for simplicity to
deal with empty space between packed cylinders. Anyhow, this volume per
projectile is for the projectile alone, no propellant whatsoever.

95 such projectiles have a volume of 285 cubic centimeters; a clip using a
3-up loading scheme would have internal dimensons of approximately 3cm by
3cm by 30cm. A 4-up loading scheme would have internal dimensions of
approximately 3cm by 4cm by 24cm. Not counting any propellant, the clip
would be at least twice the size of what's depicted in the movie.

Can you tell I'm bored? :)

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Message no. 29
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 21:33:44 -0600
On Mon, 28 Mar 1994, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:

> 95 such projectiles have a volume of 285 cubic centimeters; a clip using a
> 3-up loading scheme would have internal dimensons of approximately 3cm by
> 3cm by 30cm. A 4-up loading scheme would have internal dimensions of
> approximately 3cm by 4cm by 24cm. Not counting any propellant, the clip
> would be at least twice the size of what's depicted in the movie.
>
> Can you tell I'm bored? :)

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From: "Bryan D. Jones" <bdj@****.UARK.EDU>
Subject: Re: New TV Series: RoboCop
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 19:44:53 -0600
"In an earlier message Robert A. Hayden quoted to Bryan..."

>NC-17, was the answer. It was designed to be for movies that were
>unsuitable for children, without the porn stigma of getting an 'X'
>rating. But, NC-17 didn't come around until about 3 or 4 years ago
>(there was some Lisa Bonnet [sp?] movie that was given an X rating and it
>raised an uproar when the studio forced the producers to remove enough
>scenes to make it just barely 'R').

I believe this was Angel Heart


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