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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Meph)
Subject: No cyber...
Date: Mon Apr 1 12:55:01 2002
Okay...I'm reading one of the novels and one of the characters is a
non-cybered, non-magic bodyguard. And she's badass! Now, correct me if
I'm wrong...but I can't do that using the game rules....she'd have a crappy
iniative!!!!!! So I was thinking about using a merit that just doesn't work
with cyberware......Whaddya'll think?

Meph
Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Jonathan)
Subject: No cyber...
Date: Mon Apr 1 13:05:01 2002
> Okay...I'm reading one of the novels and one of the characters is a
> non-cybered, non-magic bodyguard. And she's badass! Now, correct me if
> I'm wrong...but I can't do that using the game rules....she'd have a
crappy
> iniative!!!!!! So I was thinking about using a merit that just doesn't
work
> with cyberware......Whaddya'll think?
>

I think novels don't listen to game rules, if they did the plot'd suck.
Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Mike and Jill Johnson)
Subject: No cyber...
Date: Mon Apr 1 15:00:01 2002
At 09:49 AM 4/1/02 -0800, you wrote:
>Okay...I'm reading one of the novels and one of the characters is a
>non-cybered, non-magic bodyguard. And she's badass! Now, correct me if
>I'm wrong...but I can't do that using the game rules....she'd have a crappy
>iniative!!!!!! So I was thinking about using a merit that just doesn't work
>with cyberware......Whaddya'll think?
>
>Meph


Which novel are you reading?

Pugwhan
Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Meph)
Subject: No cyber...
Date: Tue Apr 2 00:20:00 2002
> I think novels don't listen to game rules, if they did the plot'd suck.


And that's part of my point...I akin my PCs (as most people do) to
the characters in a book (or tv show)....but if I can't keep the drama of a
character, than I modify things see I can use that drama....ya know?

Meph
Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Meph)
Subject: No cyber...
Date: Tue Apr 2 00:20:04 2002
> Which novel are you reading?


Run Hard, Die Fast.

Meph
I think that's the title...
Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: No cyber...
Date: Tue Apr 2 04:30:01 2002
According to Meph, on Mon, 01 Apr 2002 the word on the street was...

> Okay...I'm reading one of the novels and one of the characters is a
> non-cybered, non-magic bodyguard. And she's badass! Now, correct me if
> I'm wrong...but I can't do that using the game rules....she'd have a
> crappy iniative!!!!!! So I was thinking about using a merit that just
> doesn't work with cyberware......Whaddya'll think?

There's the edge that lets you re-roll your initiative die if it comes up
as a 6, and one to go over your Attributes' racial maximums. You could use
those to get close to someone with a reasonable amount of cyberware, but I
don't think you'll ever make a true street sam without cyberware unless you
go for an adept.

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Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: No cyber...
Date: Tue Apr 2 04:30:03 2002
According to Jonathan, on Mon, 01 Apr 2002 the word on the street was...

> I think novels don't listen to game rules, if they did the plot'd suck.

Still, there's no need to be so obvious about it... The last couple of SR
novels I read (admittedly, that's probably over a year ago) were too
obviously written by someone who's never actually played SR, so plenty of
stuff happens in them that just feels wrong to someone who does know the
rules.

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Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Jonathan)
Subject: No cyber...
Date: Tue Apr 2 05:55:01 2002
> Still, there's no need to be so obvious about it... The last couple of SR
> novels I read (admittedly, that's probably over a year ago) were too
> obviously written by someone who's never actually played SR, so plenty of
> stuff happens in them that just feels wrong to someone who does know the
> rules.
>

heh one gets use to it after reading AD&D novels. =)
Message no. 9
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rich Stokes)
Subject: No cyber...
Date: Tue Apr 2 07:05:02 2002
At 07:21 02/04/02 -03-30, you wrote:
> > Still, there's no need to be so obvious about it... The last couple of SR
> > novels I read (admittedly, that's probably over a year ago) were too
> > obviously written by someone who's never actually played SR, so plenty of
> > stuff happens in them that just feels wrong to someone who does know the
> > rules.
> >
>
>heh one gets use to it after reading AD&D novels. =)

Can you imagine how an AD&D book would read if the authors followed the rules?

"Dave swung his +3 broadsword and it bit deep into the orc's thigh. In
return, the orc swung his ax and impaled dave on it's tip. this went on
for several minutes until finally the orc fell over. Then Dave whined
until Cedric, the cleric healed him."

Gotta hate D&D :)

Rich
Message no. 10
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Jonathan)
Subject: No cyber...
Date: Tue Apr 2 07:25:01 2002
> "Dave swung his +3 broadsword and it bit deep into the orc's thigh. In
> return, the orc swung his ax and impaled dave on it's tip. this went on
> for several minutes until finally the orc fell over. Then Dave whined
> until Cedric, the cleric healed him."
>

No more so than SR... "Bob the adept rolls 28 dice in an attempt to scratch
his nose...he uses his ambedexterity merit to reduce the target number since
he's hold his Force 6 Weapon foci and a force 2 bullet detection, bullet
repulsion enchanted shield...ooo he rolls all 1's and accidentally stabs
himself in the forehead!"

If any system used it's rules in the novels it'd read like a really badly
run roll playing game ;)
Message no. 11
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Damian Sharp)
Subject: No cyber...
Date: Tue Apr 2 07:35:01 2002
On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Jonathan wrote:

> If any system used it's rules in the novels it'd read like a really badly
> run roll playing game ;)

That's not entirely true.

If the novel sticks to the mundanity of the rules, and averages in the
rolls, it'll be pretty boring. If the novel decides to do things the rules
don't support (like a non-magic, non-cyber street sam kicking much ass),
it seems like a novel for another setting.

I'd think it'd be practically no effort to keep within the (reasonably
broad) framework of the SR rule set, especially with the novels focused on
the rule-breaking IEs & Dragons, and the (at least then) rules-light
shapeshifters.

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Message no. 12
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: No cyber...
Date: Tue Apr 2 12:40:01 2002
According to Jonathan, on Tue, 02 Apr 2002 the word on the street was...

> If any system used it's rules in the novels it'd read like a really badly
> run roll playing game ;)

Not necessarily... What I was mainly talking about, was stuff like light
pistols blowing people away like they were Dirty Harry's .44 Magnum, or the
runner group's mage feeling exhausted and drained after only a few minutes
of astral projection. (Both these happen in Headhunters, IIRC.)

Now I'm not saying you _can't_ blow someone away with a light pistol under
the SR rules, but it's not going to happen a lot unless you're really
skilled and the target gets a bad roll. This is something you probably
won't know unless you've actually played SR, as it may not be apparent from
reading the rules, but the stuff with the astrally-projecting mage seems to
indicate the author didn't even read them very well...

And yes, I do know all this can be put under the heading "Dramatic
License." But put too much under that, and it gets hard to suspend
disbelief.

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