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Message no. 1
From: "Bryan D. Jones" <bdj@****.UARK.EDU>
Subject: NON-SR: Mac Emulator
Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 17:44:44 -0500
I'm looking for a nice shareware program for the PC that will
allow me to read Macintosh formated disks. I am NOT looking for
a Mac emulator. Something similiar to dosmounter for the Macintosh would
be wonderfull.

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Message no. 2
From: Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: NON-SR: Mac Emulator
Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 21:24:46 -0500
Sorry, can't be done -- IBM drives cannot read Mac formatted floppies.
Message no. 3
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: NON-SR: Mac Emulator
Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 02:25:32 -0400
On Tue, 24 May 1994, Gian-Paolo Musumeci wrote:

> Sorry, can't be done -- IBM drives cannot read Mac formatted floppies.

Mine can, but I don't remember the FTP site from which I got the
software, so I didn't reply.
More specifically, I have software which allows my 3.5" HD disk
drive (installed in my IBM-compatible i486 machine) to read 3.5" HD disks
formatted by a Macintosh. I cannot run the software, of course, but I
_can_ copy files to my hard disk (or, I assume, a floppy in another
drive), and have done so.

P.S.: Gian-Paolo, please quote the relevant parts of a message
when replying to it. I've been noticing that quite a bit recently,
including some where I have absolutely _no_ idea what you were talking
about.
Message no. 4
From: Luke Kendall <luke@********.CANON.OZ.AU>
Subject: Re: NON-SR: Mac Emulator
Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 16:34:57 +1000
Gian-Paolo Musumeci:

> Sorry, can't be done -- IBM drives cannot read Mac formatted floppies.

I think it's the drivers (software), not the drives, since the Unix device
drivers for plain old floppy drives in Suns, NeXTs, Osirises... read Mac
floppies with no problems.

Sorry that this doesn't really answer the original question.

luke
Message no. 5
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: NON-SR: Mac Emulator
Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 16:34:15 +0930
>
> Gian-Paolo Musumeci:
>
> > Sorry, can't be done -- IBM drives cannot read Mac formatted floppies.
>
> I think it's the drivers (software), not the drives, since the Unix device
> drivers for plain old floppy drives in Suns, NeXTs, Osirises... read Mac
> floppies with no problems.
>
Actually, it's both... the drivers don't know how to read/write the Mac
dual-fork files, and the drives can't cope with variable speeds, like the
Mac drives can. However, it should be okay for just HD, or just
double-sided, etc.

But anyway, why mount Mac disks on an IBM? Use PCExchange to write your
Mac data (on your Mac) to IBM format, and then read it off.

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Message no. 6
From: Dylan Northrup <northrup@*****.CAS.USF.EDU>
Subject: Re: NON-SR: Mac Emulator
Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 09:48:13 -0400
On Wed, 25 May 1994, Jai Tao wrote:

> Mine can, but I don't remember the FTP site from which I got the
> software, so I didn't reply.
> More specifically, I have software which allows my 3.5" HD disk
> drive (installed in my IBM-compatible i486 machine) to read 3.5" HD disks
> formatted by a Macintosh. I cannot run the software, of course, but I
> _can_ copy files to my hard disk (or, I assume, a floppy in another
> drive), and have done so.

Really? I was under the impression that Macs use variable speed motors
in their drives that led to weird formatting. This meant that machines
(like PCs, Amigas, Suns, etc) with constant speed drives couldn't read
the Mac formatted disks. Please correct me where I am wrong.

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Message no. 7
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: NON-SR: Mac Emulator
Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 09:51:03 -0400
>>>>> "Gian-Paolo" == Gian-Paolo Musumeci
<musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
>>>>> writes:

Gian-Paolo> Sorry, can't be done -- IBM drives cannot read Mac formatted
Gian-Paolo> floppies.

Not true. IBM 1.44Mb drives can read Mac 1.44Mb disks; there's even a
program on the Wuarchive win3 mirrors somewhere that will do it.

And that's all I'll say on the subject :).

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Message no. 8
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: NON-SR: Mac Emulator
Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 12:16:41 -0500
On Wed, 25 May 1994, Dylan Northrup wrote:

> Really? I was under the impression that Macs use variable speed motors
> in their drives that led to weird formatting. This meant that machines
> (like PCs, Amigas, Suns, etc) with constant speed drives couldn't read
> the Mac formatted disks. Please correct me where I am wrong.

You are wrong.

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Message no. 9
From: Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: NON-SR: Mac Emulator
Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 15:26:24 -0500
> which allows my 3.5" HD disk drive [bleep] to read 3.5" HD disks formatted
by
> a Macintosh.

As far as I know this is impossible, the drives are built differently.
Message no. 10
From: Dylan Northrup <northrup@*****.CAS.USF.EDU>
Subject: Re: NON-SR: Mac Emulator
Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 17:04:05 -0400
On Wed, 25 May 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> You are wrong.

And this month's winner for the T.W. Pierce award for conciseness goes to
.... Robert Hayden! He is not here to accept teh award in person but we
have this clip to show you:

"Thanks"

And there you have it!

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Message no. 11
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: NON-SR: Mac Emulator
Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 16:17:45 -0500
On Wed, 25 May 1994, Gian-Paolo Musumeci wrote:

> As far as I know this is impossible, the drives are built differently.

You are wrong.

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Message no. 12
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: NON-SR: Mac Emulator
Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 00:22:01 -0400
On Wed, 25 May 1994, Gian-Paolo Musumeci wrote:

> > which allows my 3.5" HD disk drive [bleep] to read 3.5" HD disks
formatted by
> > a Macintosh.
>
> As far as I know this is impossible, the drives are built differently.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I've done it, I have proof -- if you'd like, I can upload, and
uuencode, a Mac sound file (data, not resource), and Email it to you.
However, I don't see the need to go to such lengths. I've done it, and I
have no reason to lie to you.
Once again, though, it only works with 3.5" HIGH-DENSITY disks
(the ones that format to 1.44 MB on MS-DOS machines.)
Message no. 13
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: NON-SR: Mac Emulator
Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 00:13:51 -0500
On Thu, 26 May 1994, Jai Tao wrote:

> Once again, though, it only works with 3.5" HIGH-DENSITY disks
> (the ones that format to 1.44 MB on MS-DOS machines.)

Do they make lesser ones still? :-)

Sounds like it's time to evolve to 256MB Flopticals. They only cost
about 35 bucks each and are about as fast as a slow hard drive. Of
course, the drives to use them are about a thousand bucks....

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Message no. 14
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: NON-SR: Mac Emulator
Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 16:25:48 +0930
>
> On Thu, 26 May 1994, Jai Tao wrote:
>
> > Once again, though, it only works with 3.5" HIGH-DENSITY disks
> > (the ones that format to 1.44 MB on MS-DOS machines.)
>
> Do they make lesser ones still? :-)
>
Well, I don't know about _make_, but they do sell them.
One of the biggest complaints around here are people buying disks (often
at places like K-Mart), and formatting them on the HD-only drives in the
PCs, and seeing them crash and burn on another drive.

(For the uninformed, you _can_ format a double-sided as a HD. But the
formatting is unstable, and won't usually work except in the same drive,
and often not even then.)

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it's because they were up all night.
Message no. 15
From: Dylan Northrup <northrup@*****.CAS.USF.EDU>
Subject: Re: NON-SR: Mac Emulator
Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 09:14:41 -0400
On Thu, 26 May 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> On Thu, 26 May 1994, Jai Tao wrote:
>
> > Once again, though, it only works with 3.5" HIGH-DENSITY disks
> > (the ones that format to 1.44 MB on MS-DOS machines.)
>
> Do they make lesser ones still? :-)
>
> Sounds like it's time to evolve to 256MB Flopticals. They only cost
> about 35 bucks each and are about as fast as a slow hard drive. Of
> course, the drives to use them are about a thousand bucks....

Five flopticals = 175$
One drive = 1000$
Total = 1175$

Total storage = 1280 Megs

That's less than a dollar a meg. Pretty reasonable if you have higher
end storage needs. Admittedly, it is a bit out of my range, but soon . .
. heh heh heh . . . very soon . . . *evil grin*

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* "It doesn't have to be like this. All we have to do is keep talking" *
* -- Steven Hawking / ***************************************************
* Pink Floyd * <http://www.cas.usf.edu/dylan.html>; * KIBO #7 *
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Message no. 16
From: Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: NON-SR: Mac Emulator
Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 08:30:20 -0500
I will download the software and try it. ;-
Message no. 17
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: NON-SR: Mac Emulator
Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 09:42:48 -0400
>>>>> "Dylan" == Dylan Northrup
<northrup@*****.CAS.USF.EDU> writes:

Dylan> That's less than a dollar a meg. Pretty reasonable if you have
Dylan> higher end storage needs. Admittedly, it is a bit out of my range,
Dylan> but soon . . . heh heh heh . . . very soon . . . *evil grin*

Current prices from Sun for a 1 Gig hard drive: about $1000. I've seen Gig
drives as low as $750.

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Message no. 18
From: Tim Skirvin <tskirvin@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: NON-SR: Mac Emulator
Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 19:09:02 -0500
> Sounds like it's time to evolve to 256MB Flopticals. They only
> cost about 35 bucks each and are about as fast as a slow hard
> drive. Of

And then the various companies will start using them to make games.

The Hard Drives will get to Terabytes for a home system, and the games
will be twelve of those things big.

Sounds fun.

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idiot now." -- Jane, "Waiting for God"

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