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Message no. 1
From: Michael Orion Jackson <orionj@****.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Re: Non-SR rulebooks
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:59:27 -0600 (CST)
On Mon, 11 Mar 1996, Robert Watkins wrote:

> >>Speaking of which, what kind of numbers would REASON have? <G>
> >
> >NO!!!!
> >
> >Not this again, anything but this!
> >
> >(Reason would have simply unreasonable numbers... portable nuclear reactors
> >aren't common SR equip and damage is well... enough to kill. It's a great
> >munchkin toy, but has no regular place in roleplaying games)
>
Like a Vindicator, but worse? Super-super-super machinegun class? <g>
Like it says in NAGRL: "Not in my game, you don't!"
> While we're at it... anyone have stats for those super-carriers? Or a 200
> kiloton nuclear warhead? Or an Iraqi-style Super-Gun? :)
>
Well, I did GM a run once that involved a nuclear weapon (tactical
warhead (nominal yeild around 50kT), self-guided missle, near-AI guidance
routines, etc.). <g> I can hear the horrified gasps already out on listland.
The players & characters involved were all VERY experienced, though.
The run itself was VERY complicated and VERY dangerous. It was intended
to be an exceptional experience, and it worked rather well (the
expressions of the PCs as they realized what they had on their hands,
well, I just wish I had a camera <g>). It was one of those rare times in
my games that the actions of the runners had a very real and very large
(if subtle, nothing made the screamsheets) effect on entire nations and
megacorps. All the characters that survived got a shit load of karma,
and they deserved every bit of it. The adventure was around ninety
hand-written pages (one page of my hand writing corresponds to about two
to three pages of double-spaced Times New Roman 12 pnt., so that shoulkd
give you an indication of how much material was in the thing) and took me
two months to run to completion with a six hour game session every Saturday.
God, it was fun to run...
> As Bob said... they're great munchkin toys, and as such have no regular
> place in roleplaying games. :)
>
Got a munckin player? No prob. Just give him the enemies he deserves. <g>
>
> --
> * *
> /_\ "A friend is someone who likes the same TV programs you do" /_\
> {~._.~} "Eternal nothingness is fine if you happen {~._.~}
> ( Y ) to be dressed for it." -- Woody Allen ( Y )
> ()~*~() Robert Watkins robertdw@*******.com.au ()~*~()
> (_)-(_) (_)-(_)
>
>
>

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|Michael Orion Jackson |"A college student is a mechanism for |
|orionj@****.acs.unt.edu |converting caffeine into finished |
|TAMS Class of 96 |homework." -unknown, but perceptive author|
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Message no. 2
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Non-SR rulebooks
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 17:55:02 +0000 (GMT)
| Well, I did GM a run once that involved a nuclear weapon (tactical
|warhead (nominal yeild around 50kT), self-guided missle, near-AI guidance
|routines, etc.). <g> I can hear the horrified gasps already out on listland.
| The players & characters involved were all VERY experienced, though.
|The run itself was VERY complicated and VERY dangerous. It was intended
|to be an exceptional experience, and it worked rather well (the
|expressions of the PCs as they realized what they had on their hands,
|well, I just wish I had a camera <g>). It was one of those rare times in
|my games that the actions of the runners had a very real and very large
|(if subtle, nothing made the screamsheets) effect on entire nations and
|megacorps. All the characters that survived got a shit load of karma,
|and they deserved every bit of it. The adventure was around ninety
|hand-written pages (one page of my hand writing corresponds to about two
| to three pages of double-spaced Times New Roman 12 pnt., so that shoulkd
|give you an indication of how much material was in the thing) and took me
|two months to run to completion with a six hour game session every Saturday.
|God, it was fun to run..

That sounds like one *good* adventure....

Why not type it up in your free time and put it in a web page for everyone?
I for one would like to see it.... :)
(I'm sure someone on the list could spare a few K of space on thier WWW
pages?????)
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| |What to do if you find yourself stuck in a crack in |
|u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk |the ground beneath a giant boulder, which you can't |
| |move, with no hope of rescue. |
|Andrew Halliwell |Consider how lucky you are that life has been good |
|Principal subjects in:-|to you so far... |
|Comp Sci & Visual Arts | -The BOOK, Hitch-hiker's guide to the galaxy. |
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|X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can still say FUCK! Americans can't|
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Message no. 3
From: tsbtal@********.com (Tal Kedem)
Subject: Re: Non-SR rulebooks
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 18:46:12 -0500
On Mar 10, 1996 15:35:52, 'TopCat <topcat@******.net>' wrote:


>At 12:06 PM 3/9/96 -0500, Tal Kedem wrote:
>>Speaking of which, what kind of numbers would REASON have? <G>
>
>NO!!!!
>
>Not this again, anything but this!
>
>(Reason would have simply unreasonable numbers... portable nuclear
reactors
>aren't common SR equip and damage is well... enough to kill. It's a great

>munchkin toy, but has no regular place in roleplaying games)

First off, I hope I didn't restart an old argument (cum flamewar).

Second, nonono! Never in the hands of a player! Probably never in a game,
just a question I had in my head, and with a GRIN attached to the end too!
:) <Note Smiley to left>

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Message no. 4
From: Michael Orion Jackson <orionj@****.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Re: Non-SR rulebooks
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 18:28:56 -0600 (CST)
On Mon, 11 Mar 1996, A Halliwell wrote:

> | Well, I did GM a run once that involved a nuclear weapon (tactical
> |warhead (nominal yeild around 50kT), self-guided missle, near-AI guidance
> |routines, etc.). <g> I can hear the horrified gasps already out on listland.
> | The players & characters involved were all VERY experienced, though.
> |The run itself was VERY complicated and VERY dangerous. It was intended
> |to be an exceptional experience, and it worked rather well (the
> |expressions of the PCs as they realized what they had on their hands,
> |well, I just wish I had a camera <g>). It was one of those rare times in
> |my games that the actions of the runners had a very real and very large
> |(if subtle, nothing made the screamsheets) effect on entire nations and
> |megacorps. All the characters that survived got a shit load of karma,
> |and they deserved every bit of it. The adventure was around ninety
> |hand-written pages (one page of my hand writing corresponds to about two
> | to three pages of double-spaced Times New Roman 12 pnt., so that shoulkd
> |give you an indication of how much material was in the thing) and took me
> |two months to run to completion with a six hour game session every Saturday.
> |God, it was fun to run..
>
> That sounds like one *good* adventure....
>
> Why not type it up in your free time and put it in a web page for everyone?
> I for one would like to see it.... :)
> (I'm sure someone on the list could spare a few K of space on thier WWW
> pages?????)
>
Well, there are a few things preventing that, although I'd do it if I could:
1)I'm taking 17 hours (with things like Electromagnetics, Cal II, etc.)
this semester, leaving me very little free time.
2)I'm not a terribly fast or terribly good typist.
3)*All* of my Shadowrun stuff (books, notes, adventures, everything) is
300 miles away at home, preventing me from doing a very accurate
recreation, neccessary because of #4
4)I can't remeber where I put the stack of paper once I got through
running the adventure. (Disorganization is a symptom of genius. :) )

If I get the time and enough people express interest I'll try to type up
a summary/seed idea and mail it to the list. Not very detailed, but
enough to give other GMs an idea how to construct the adventure/tailor it
to their campaign.

And, no, the characters DIDN'T get to keep the nuke. :)

--
> ______________________________________________________________________________
> | |What to do if you find yourself stuck in a crack in |
> |u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk |the ground beneath a giant boulder, which you can't |
> | |move, with no hope of rescue. |
> |Andrew Halliwell |Consider how lucky you are that life has been good |
> |Principal subjects in:-|to you so far... |
> |Comp Sci & Visual Arts | -The BOOK, Hitch-hiker's guide to the galaxy. |
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |GCv3.1 GCS/FA>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ 5++ |
> |X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can still say FUCK! Americans can't|
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

__________________________________________________________________________
|Michael Orion Jackson |"A college student is a mechanism for |
|orionj@****.acs.unt.edu |converting caffeine into finished |
|TAMS Class of 96 |homework." -unknown, but perceptive author|
__________________________________________________________________________
"You only need two things in this world: WD40 to make things go and
duct-tape to make things stop." -yet another unknown, but perceptive author
__________________________________________________________________________
Drugs for fun, |Dorm address:UNT P.O. Box 6089
sex for kicks. | Denton, Tx 76203
We're the |Home address:1010 Randall
class o' 96. | Nacogdoches, Tx 75964
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Check out my web page! (Because of my near complete ignorance of HTML, it's
crap right now, but its mere existence is pretty cool.) It's located at
http://www.unt.edu/~orionj. (Highlights: my id pic and class schedule...)
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Message no. 5
From: Lady Jestyr <s421539@*******.gu.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Non-SR rulebooks
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 11:48:00 +1000 (EST)
> |give you an indication of how much material was in the thing) and took me
> |two months to run to completion with a six hour game session every Saturday.
> |God, it was fun to run..
>
> That sounds like one *good* adventure....
>
> Why not type it up in your free time and put it in a web page for everyone?
> I for one would like to see it.... :)
> (I'm sure someone on the list could spare a few K of space on thier WWW
> pages?????)

PLEASE!!! I would love to see this... got half a meg or more spare in my
WWW directory... PLEASE!!! *begbegbegbegbeg*



Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 6
From: James Meiers <polbdm@***.unm.EDU>
Subject: Re: Non-SR rulebooks
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 20:57:35 -0700 (MST)
Use my directory, I have no quotas!

"How many times do I have to tell you? Don't shoot the nuclear weapons!."
-John Travolta, "Broken Arrow"
"Be cool. You... Be cool"
-George Clooney, "From Dusk Till Dawn"
Visit Me At: http://www.arc.unm.edu/~polbdm/home.html
Message no. 7
From: Paul@********.demon.co.uk (Paul Jonathan Adam)
Subject: Re: Non-SR rulebooks
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 01:41:16 GMT
In message <Pine.SOL.3.91.960311182208.17586A-100000@****.acs.unt.edu> Michael
Orion Jackson writes:

> And, no, the characters DIDN'T get to keep the nuke. :)

Actually, for two years Lynch had a white cylinder in his armoury,
with a "RADIATION" sticker on it, hand-painted with the words "Nuclear
Warhead, 250 Kilotons, Handle With Care. This Way Up. Do Not Drop."

It was indeed a real nuke. It got stolen because, like Everest, it was there:
the plot intention was to merely disarm it, but Lynch had the means to
steal the damn thing. So he did. After the GM stopped laughing, we discussed
it and decided to let it stand. (What do you *do* with a nuke of your
own, assuming vapourising a city centre doesn't appeal? One nuclear weapon
won't significantly hurt a nation or corporation, just get you hunted down
and killed).

He never had the release codes, though. In the end, he traded it to the
UCAS government (for rather less than some others wanted for it, but that's
the price of principles). It only affected the game in that it made a good
bargaining counter.

--
"When you have shot and killed a man, you have defined your attitude towards
him. You have offered a definite answer to a definite problem. For better
or for worse, you have acted decisively.
In fact, the next move is up to him." <R.A. Lafferty>

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk

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