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Message no. 1
From: Jonathan Wright <jwrigh01@********.ca>
Subject: Not so Stupid Dwarf Questions
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 15:32:06 -0400 (EDT)
On Sat, 28 Sep 1996, Steven Ratkovich wrote:

> Ok, stupid question time, once again. Gather round, boyz and girlz as Bull
> asks yet another dumb question: (2, actually)
>
> 1. What do you all think about D's gift and comment to an ork about the
> Elves not being the only race to have an anciant language...?

The Ork Scorchers from Earthdawn had quite the nomadic raiding society in
place. Perhaps this Ork could rediscover this heritage and form the next
Mongolian Horde (this time composed of Orks) and decimate the elven empires.
Would be fun, don't you think? :)

> Now the bigger question...
> 2. Ok, Dwarves have been on the scene as long as the Elves (not counting
> the Immortrals, and possibly the Spikes. I still think that I read
> somewhere about Dwarf Spike Babies). Anyways, if they've been around so
> long,why isn't their a dwarven society set up? It would probably be
> underground, since that's always been the traditional home of the dwarves.
>
> Ok, I realize that the elf countries were really set up by Immortal Elves,
> but why not Immortal Dwarves? It stands to reason... Well, I was just
> wondering about that. Cee Ya...:)

In Earthdawn the Dwarven kingdoms were always being hit with horrific
diseases (like the withering of infants), and political assassinations
galore (how many of the Barsaive's dwarven kings were murdered during the
Scourge?). The only problem the Elves had was thorns growing out of
their skin, and that kept the Horrors off their backs (for the most
part). I don't know what happened to the Shosaran Elves during the
Scourge, but it probably wasn't that horrific because it has never really
been mentioned. (Ew, yuck sorry about that pun in the last line there...)

To truly understand the crap the Dwarves have been through one merely has
to look at the population inversion that has occurred during the down
cycle between the last two Ages of Magic. ED era dwarves were something
like 70% of the population, SR era they make up a measily 15% (if that).
Something blew their gene pool out of the water so to speak during the
down cycle.

This leads me to believe one of two theories.

1) The Dwarven immortals, who were hurt much worse during the Fourth
Age, have never managed to recover to keep pace with the Elven Illuminati
and their evil machinations.

2) The Elven Illuminati are responsible in part (or wholly) for the
hardships the Dwarves of Barsaive suffered during the Fourth Age (Therans
come to mind as not really being a big help). By suppressing the other
major race during the Fourth Age and then making sure not to many of
their prodigy survive the down cycle, the Elven Illuminati have assured
themselves a dominant position in the Sixth World's scheme of things.
This theory is further strengthened by the fact that the Elves are
already known for the down cycle hunting of the Dragons, another race
they don't really enjoy sharing the world with.
Message no. 2
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: Not so Stupid Dwarf Questions
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 04:36:05 -0500 (EST)
>The Ork Scorchers from Earthdawn had quite the nomadic raiding society in
>place. Perhaps this Ork could rediscover this heritage and form the next
>Mongolian Horde (this time composed of Orks) and decimate the elven empires.
>Would be fun, don't you think? :)
>
"Hey Johnny, Mr. White. Wanna Form a horde?" <grin>

>> Now the bigger question...

>In Earthdawn the Dwarven kingdoms were always being hit with horrific
>diseases (like the withering of infants), and political assassinations
>galore (how many of the Barsaive's dwarven kings were murdered during the
>Scourge?). The only problem the Elves had was thorns growing out of
>their skin, and that kept the Horrors off their backs (for the most
>part). I don't know what happened to the Shosaran Elves during the
>Scourge, but it probably wasn't that horrific because it has never really
>been mentioned. (Ew, yuck sorry about that pun in the last line there...)
>
No prob.:)

>To truly understand the crap the Dwarves have been through one merely has
>to look at the population inversion that has occurred during the down
>cycle between the last two Ages of Magic. ED era dwarves were something
>like 70% of the population, SR era they make up a measily 15% (if that).
>Something blew their gene pool out of the water so to speak during the
>down cycle.
>
I'm not familiar with ED, so I didn't knowthat. Very interesting...:)

>This leads me to believe one of two theories.
>
>1) The Dwarven immortals, who were hurt much worse during the Fourth
>Age, have never managed to recover to keep pace with the Elven Illuminati
>and their evil machinations.
>
Possibly, but I think it has more to do with another option that I included
as 3. below.

>2) The Elven Illuminati are responsible in part (or wholly) for the
>hardships the Dwarves of Barsaive suffered during the Fourth Age (Therans
>come to mind as not really being a big help). By suppressing the other
>major race during the Fourth Age and then making sure not to many of
>their prodigy survive the down cycle, the Elven Illuminati have assured
>themselves a dominant position in the Sixth World's scheme of things.
>This theory is further strengthened by the fact that the Elves are
>already known for the down cycle hunting of the Dragons, another race
>they don't really enjoy sharing the world with.
>
I like the term Illuminat...:) Quite apt, I believe...:) And I can see the
dandelion-eaters killing off their competition. They don't usually play
well with others.

Ok, here ya go... option 3.

3) It's also quite possible that the Dwarven immortals have just withdrawn
totally. They possibly have an underground ciity somewhere, and have
decided not to get involved this time around, after taking such a beating in ED.

4) Of course, they could be involved so quietly and secretly that NO ONE
knows about it.:)

Dwarves have always, according to fiction,very secretive and reclusisve.
And in the Shadowrun World, myths and fantasy are based on fragments of
truth from the far past. Maybe the Dwarves have retained this secretive
nature and are still in hiding? WHo knows, although it might be
interesting to see the Dwarves, mayber aided by theorcs and trolls, fighting
against the Elven nations...:)



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