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Message no. 1
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 18:30:27 -0700 (PDT)
Do Night Ones have sweat glands?

Well?

See, I was pondering this question, while teasing my
dog this morning. Dogs don't have sweat glands,
probably because of all their fur. They cool off by
panting. I'm no biologist, so I don't know about other
furred animals, but it'd make sense for them not to
have sweat glands either, for the same reason.

So what about Night Ones? They have fur. So do they
have sweat glands (and get wet, stinky fur whenever
they exercise), or do they cool off by panting, or by
another method?

*Doc' slaps a bumper sticker on his car...'Night Ones
do it doggie-style...*

====Doc'
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Message no. 2
From: Alfredo B Alves dghost@****.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:27:21 -0500
On Sun, 4 Jun 2000 18:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Rand
Ratinac?<docwagon101@*****.com> writes:
> Do Night Ones have sweat glands?
>
> Well?
>
> See, I was pondering this question, while teasing my
> dog this morning. Dogs don't have sweat glands,
> probably because of all their fur. They cool off by
> panting. I'm no biologist, so I don't know about other
> furred animals, but it'd make sense for them not to
> have sweat glands either, for the same reason.
>
> So what about Night Ones? They have fur. So do they
> have sweat glands (and get wet, stinky fur whenever
> they exercise), or do they cool off by panting, or by
> another method?

Well, mammaries are modified sweat glands :) I don't know if that says
anything about sweaty Night Ones or not ... What about monkeys? Do they
have sweat glands?

> *Doc' slaps a bumper sticker on his car...'Night Ones
> do it doggie-style...*

*... right next the one that says 'Night Ones do it without shaving their
backs' ...*

:)

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Message no. 3
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:55:11 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Monday, June 05, 2000 11:31 AM
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...


>Do Night Ones have sweat glands?
>
>Well?
>
>See, I was pondering this question, while teasing my
>dog this morning. Dogs don't have sweat glands,
>probably because of all their fur. They cool off by
>panting. I'm no biologist, so I don't know about other
>furred animals, but it'd make sense for them not to
>have sweat glands either, for the same reason.
>
>So what about Night Ones? They have fur. So do they
>have sweat glands (and get wet, stinky fur whenever
>they exercise), or do they cool off by panting, or by
>another method?
>


Just another reason I'm glad Doc' lives safely half a continent away :?)
Horses sweat, so I can't see why Night Ones wouldn't. I for one would like
it if they smelt like suphur when they sweated. And went bamf! when they
farted.
Message no. 4
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:01:03 -0700 (PDT)
> >Do Night Ones have sweat glands?
>
> Just another reason I'm glad Doc' lives safely half
a continent away :?)

I visit.

;)

> Horses sweat, so I can't see why Night Ones
wouldn't. I for one would like it if they smelt like
suphur when they sweated. And went bamf! when they
farted.

...and burped...and hiccupped.

Now THAT would be interesting...

*Doc' wonders about Night Ones giving a three-finger salute...*

====Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow, aka Doc'booner, aka Doc' Vader)

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Message no. 5
From: JKeith Henry neojudas@******************.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 06:55:15 -0500
From: "Rand Ratinac" <docwagon101@*****.com>
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...


> Do Night Ones have sweat glands?
>
> Well?

In short, probably yes.

> See, I was pondering this question, while teasing my
> dog this morning. Dogs don't have sweat glands,
> probably because of all their fur. They cool off by
> panting. I'm no biologist, so I don't know about other
> furred animals, but it'd make sense for them not to
> have sweat glands either, for the same reason.

But, by inverse comparison ... Bears and Horses both do sweat, just as we
do. I don't believe Cats, Dogs or Rats do (don't know about the last one).
Monkey's also sweat btw, as do most of the simian-categories that I can
think of right now. I don't recall the variations of such involved, but it
is there.

> So what about Night Ones? They have fur. So do they
> have sweat glands (and get wet, stinky fur whenever
> they exercise), or do they cool off by panting, or by
> another method?

Now admittedly, this is a pretty interesting question because of their
physiology were permitting enough of such (hey, it's the Awakening,
anything's possible, we know that). Personally, seeing as how all of the
"metahuman" category derived from Human genetic stock in some manner though,
I'd say they do sweat.

BUT, damn wouldn't that be disgusting???? For some reason, the smell of
"wet dog" leaps to mind... which is fine for a dog, but for a Metahuman???

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Message no. 6
From: Oliver McDonald oliver@*********.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 06:17:04 -0700 (PDT)
On Mon, 5 Jun 2000 06:55:15 -0500, JKeith Henry wrote:

>> See, I was pondering this question, while teasing my
>> dog this morning. Dogs don't have sweat glands,
>> probably because of all their fur. They cool off by
>> panting. I'm no biologist, so I don't know about other
>> furred animals, but it'd make sense for them not to
>> have sweat glands either, for the same reason.
>
>But, by inverse comparison ... Bears and Horses both do sweat, just as we
>do. I don't believe Cats, Dogs or Rats do (don't know about the last one).
>Monkey's also sweat btw, as do most of the simian-categories that I can
>think of right now. I don't recall the variations of such involved, but it
>is there.

As do dolphins and orca, along with all cetecea. I believe that other sea mammals sweat
as well.

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Message no. 7
From: Strago strago@***.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 11:51:38 -0400
Oliver McDonald wrote:

> <SNIP>>
> >But, by inverse comparison ... Bears and Horses both do sweat, just as we
> >do. I don't believe Cats, Dogs or Rats do (don't know about the last one).
> >Monkey's also sweat btw, as do most of the simian-categories that I can
> >think of right now. I don't recall the variations of such involved, but it
> >is there.
>
> As do dolphins and orca, along with all cetecea. I believe that other sea mammals
sweat as well.
>

BUT do dolphins, orca, or other sea mammals have fur? If not, then it's not really
relevant to this
discussion, is it? And as for the "wet dog" thing, I just have to say, one of my
players loves to
play Night Ones. I might inflict this on him.

>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
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> http://www.spydernet.com/oliver/
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>
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>
> ICQ: 38158540

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Message no. 8
From: dbuehrer@******.carl.org dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 10:08:12 -0600
Strago wrote:
>Oliver McDonald wrote:
>
> > <SNIP>>
> > >But, by inverse comparison ... Bears and Horses both do sweat, just as we
> > >do. I don't believe Cats, Dogs or Rats do (don't know about the last
> one).
> > >Monkey's also sweat btw, as do most of the simian-categories that I can
> > >think of right now. I don't recall the variations of such involved,
> but it
> > >is there.
> >
> > As do dolphins and orca, along with all cetecea. I believe that other
> sea mammals sweat as well.
> >
>
>BUT do dolphins, orca, or other sea mammals have fur? If not, then it's
>not really relevant to this
>discussion, is it?

Sea otters have fur.

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Message no. 9
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:13:22 +0200
According to JKeith Henry, at 6:55 on 5 Jun 00, the word on the street
was...

> BUT, damn wouldn't that be disgusting???? For some reason, the smell of
> "wet dog" leaps to mind... which is fine for a dog, but for a Metahuman???

I don't think night ones would be bothered by the smell (especially not
their own), though other metahumans in their neighborhood probably would
be.

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Message no. 10
From: Raveness Ravensbane ravenessravensbane@*****.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:05:51 -0700 (PDT)
<snip>
> I don't think night ones would be bothered by the
> smell (especially not
> their own), though other metahumans in their
> neighborhood probably would
> be.
> --
> Gurth@******.nl

Well, it'll probably be like my dog...she doesn't mind
the smell until it prevents her from being petted and
getting attention and doggie treats. She knows when
she's clean people like to cuddle her, but not when
she's stinky.

So night ones might just be like some guys I know, if
you want to get a job, cut the ponytail. If you want
to get the job, take a shower. If you don't want to
get "accidentally" geeked by one of your fellow
runners while in close quarters, take frequent
showers.


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Message no. 11
From: Ahuizotl cuellare@*******.net.mx
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 16:08:15 -0500
.
> >
> > So what about Night Ones? They have fur. So do they
> > have sweat glands (and get wet, stinky fur whenever
> > they exercise), or do they cool off by panting, or by
> > another method?
>
> Well, mammaries are modified sweat glands :) I don't know if that says
> anything about sweaty Night Ones or not ... What about monkeys? Do they
> have sweat glands?

I think that monkey have it.
Message no. 12
From: Mike & Linda Frankl mlfrankl@***.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:41:00 -0400
Strago plotted:
> BUT do dolphins, orca, or other sea mammals have fur? If not,
> then it's not really relevant to this
> discussion, is it? And as for the "wet dog" thing, I just have to
> say, one of my players loves to
> play Night Ones. I might inflict this on him.

Yeah but keep in mind that he probably bathes more often than a dog does.
Most of us don't smell too great after missing a shower for a couple of days
in a row and we're relatively fur free. Now if this character spends some
quality time between hygiene sessions then the hair would tend to accumulate
odors faster than regular skin.

;)

Smilin' Jack

Franklin Isshinryu School of Karate
http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/RallyRd/mlfrankl/fiskhome.htm
Message no. 13
From: Manolis Skoulikas great_worm@*****.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 00:48:13 +0300
Alfredo B Alves wrote:
> >
> > *Doc' slaps a bumper sticker on his car...'Night Ones
> > do it doggie-style...*
>
> *... right next the one that says 'Night Ones do it without shaving their
> backs' ...*
>
>
*right to the next one that says:'Night ones do it all night and never
break a sweat'...*
:)

I think the fur is so light that they actually sweat, but...
since we were talking about it:
Really people, what about dragons in reptile form, do they sweat?
Is that why those scales are gleaming in the sun? ;PP

the wiz
Message no. 14
From: SolQuest75@***.com SolQuest75@***.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 18:38:22 EDT
I think that because reptiles don't naturally sweat, why would a dragon? Not
to mention, as powerful as dragons are don't you think they would have a
spell that would take care of the disturbing body odor?
Message no. 15
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:32:42 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: SolQuest75@***.com <SolQuest75@***.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: Now THAT'S a good question...


>I think that because reptiles don't naturally sweat, why would a dragon?
Not
>to mention, as powerful as dragons are don't you think they would have a
>spell that would take care of the disturbing body odor?
>
Besides, anything that breathes fire probably doesn't really care about body
tempurature much.
Message no. 16
From: SolQuest75@***.com SolQuest75@***.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:18:25 EDT
Not to mention the fact that they eat cows.
Message no. 17
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:46:20 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Linda Frankl <mlfrankl@***.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 7:40 AM
Subject: RE: Now THAT'S a good question...


>>Yeah but keep in mind that he probably bathes more often than a dog does.
>Most of us don't smell too great after missing a shower for a couple of
days
>in a row and we're relatively fur free. Now if this character spends some
>quality time between hygiene sessions then the hair would tend to
accumulate
>odors faster than regular skin.
>
I think wet doggy smell comes from oils in the fur and stuff, not body
odour. Wet human hair doesn't smell too good either, but the smell is
nowhere near as strong.
How about a Night One who sits on chewing gum?
Message no. 18
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:50:24 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: SolQuest75@***.com <SolQuest75@***.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: Now THAT'S a good question...


>Not to mention the fact that they eat cows.
>
>
You really need to include the post that you are replying to. Besides being
vaguely Larsonesque, that sentence makes no sense :?)
Message no. 19
From: Mike & Linda Frankl mlfrankl@***.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:45:14 -0400
Simon and Fiona said:
> I think wet doggy smell comes from oils in the fur and stuff, not body
> odour. Wet human hair doesn't smell too good either, but the smell is
> nowhere near as strong.
> How about a Night One who sits on chewing gum?

Well then cats should smell too, but they don't. Assumedly from their
constant grooming and saliva. Plus washing the dog would remove said oils,
which is the basic concept of soap. Now I'm not a vet, but I rarely pet dogs
due to the fact that they usually smell funny. I'll pick up 90% of any cats
and I don't get the same odor or a similar odor (unless they've gotten into
it with something). My relatively uninformed conclusion is that it is the
cleaning process that makes the difference. I also understand that most
strong body odors come from bacteria growing in our sweat and oils. Washing
this off removes the smell so I think it would work for the Night Ones. Plus
most dogs smell good for a day or so after a bath. If you kept this up, like
daily human bathing, it should be no different.

:)

Smilin' Jack
Franklin Isshinryu School of Karate
http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/RallyRd/mlfrankl/fiskhome.htm
Message no. 20
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:27:01 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Linda Frankl <mlfrankl@***.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 10:44 AM
Subject: RE: Now THAT'S a good question...


>Well then cats should smell too, but they don't. Assumedly from their
>constant grooming and saliva. Plus washing the dog would remove said oils,
>which is the basic concept of soap. Now I'm not a vet, but I rarely pet
dogs
>due to the fact that they usually smell funny. I'll pick up 90% of any cats
>and I don't get the same odor or a similar odor (unless they've gotten into
>it with something). My relatively uninformed conclusion is that it is the
>cleaning process that makes the difference. I also understand that most
>strong body odors come from bacteria growing in our sweat and oils. Washing
>this off removes the smell so I think it would work for the Night Ones.
Plus
>most dogs smell good for a day or so after a bath. If you kept this up,
like
>daily human bathing, it should be no different.
>
The problem here is, I'm talking about the smell of wet dogs, while you are
talking about the smell of dogs in general. It is possible to get rid of all
the oils and everything, but it isn't good for a dog's coat. (or a human's
hair for that matter). I don't know why cats don't smell, even when wet,
except maybe because their coats aren't waterproof like dogs, and dogs like
to smell for social reasons.
Message no. 21
From: Fanguad fanguad@****.rit.edu
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 21:49:50 -0400
> Well then cats should smell too, but they don't. Assumedly from their

Cats DO smell. Admittedly not like dogs, and not as strong, but
they do smell.
I don't spend much time around cats at all, but I can usually tell
when I'm entering a house that has cats.

> Smilin' Jack


-- Fanguad

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Message no. 22
From: Mike & Linda Frankl mlfrankl@***.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:38:06 -0400
Simon and Fiona countered:
> The problem here is, I'm talking about the smell of wet dogs,
> while you are
> talking about the smell of dogs in general. It is possible to get
> rid of all
> the oils and everything, but it isn't good for a dog's coat. (or a human's
> hair for that matter). I don't know why cats don't smell, even when wet,
> except maybe because their coats aren't waterproof like dogs, and
> dogs like
> to smell for social reasons.

Yeah, but a wet clean dog doesn't smell bad. Especially after they are clean
and you are drying them (i.e. they are still wet). Getting a clean dog wet
doesn't make them smell. It is the buildup of dirt, oil, etc. and the fact
that people clean their dogs pretty rarely. As far as coat damage, we have
shampoos with special chemicals in it to compensate for that. I think that a
Night One could shampoo once a day and be fine (in fact could potentially
smell pretty good with a perfumed cleaner).

I guess to me I am fighting for the player on this one. Isn't an allergy to
sunlight enough, does the character have to smell too. If they forget
hygiene then sure, but otherwise I think it is over-penalizing the player.

;)

Smilin' Jack
Franklin Isshinryu School of Karate
http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/RallyRd/mlfrankl/fiskhome.htm
Message no. 23
From: Mike & Linda Frankl mlfrankl@***.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:38:04 -0400
Fanguad:
> Cats DO smell. Admittedly not like dogs, and not as strong, but
> they do smell.
> I don't spend much time around cats at all, but I can usually tell
> when I'm entering a house that has cats.

Yeah, but no where near the level of dogs.

;)

Smilin' Jack

Franklin Isshinryu School of Karate
http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/RallyRd/mlfrankl/fiskhome.htm
Message no. 24
From: Iridios iridios@*****.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 00:31:53 -0400
Fanguad wrote:
>
> > Well then cats should smell too, but they don't. Assumedly from their
>
> Cats DO smell. Admittedly not like dogs, and not as strong, but
> they do smell.
> I don't spend much time around cats at all, but I can usually tell
> when I'm entering a house that has cats.

Well, I live with 3 cats, and the only smell (of quantity) that is
generated is litterbox odor. Cat fur itself, at least in the case of
mine, doesn't smell. Probably because they are constantly cleaning
themselves.

If my 3 go a day without cleaning themselves at least three times, I'd
be surprised.

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Message no. 25
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:04:44 -0700 (PDT)
> > As do dolphins and orca, along with all cetecea.
> I believe that other sea mammals sweat as well.
> >
>
> BUT do dolphins, orca, or other sea mammals have
> fur? If not, then it's not really relevant to this
> discussion, is it? And as for the "wet dog" thing, I
> just have to say, one of my players loves to
> play Night Ones. I might inflict this on him.
> --Strago

Hey, Josh, check out my recent suggestion for how to
do this...;)

====Doc'
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Message no. 26
From: Raveness Ravensbane ravenessravensbane@*****.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 06:07:19 -0700 (PDT)
--- Mike & Linda Frankl <mlfrankl@***.com> wrote:
> Fanguad:
> > Cats DO smell. Admittedly not like dogs, and not
> as strong, but
> > they do smell.
> > I don't spend much time around cats at all, but I
> can usually tell
> > when I'm entering a house that has cats.
>
> Yeah, but no where near the level of dogs.
>
> ;)
>
> Smilin' Jack

It doesn't really matter 'cause cats are worthless
anyway. I hear they're good eatin' though.

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Message no. 27
From: LDYTinne@***.com LDYTinne@***.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 09:58:04 EDT
In a message dated 6/5/00 7:30:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
sfuller@******.com.au writes:

<< ow about a Night One who sits on chewing gum? >>
Just a Wet Night One makes my skin crawl. That has got to be an unusual
scent.

Would you like a taste of (Hel)
Tinne
Message no. 28
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 17:28:33 GMT
>From: Raveness Ravensbane <ravenessravensbane@*****.com>
>So night ones might just be like some guys I know, if
>you want to get a job, cut the ponytail. If you want
>to get the job, take a shower. If you don't want to
>get "accidentally" geeked by one of your fellow
>runners while in close quarters, take frequent
>showers.

He he he, if a Night One's fur is anything like my hair they will frequently
find themselves too fluffy to be scary, especially if they follow your
advice :)>

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Message no. 29
From: Raveness Ravensbane ravenessravensbane@*****.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:47:30 -0700 (PDT)
--- Phil Smith <phil_urbanhell@*******.com> wrote:
> >From: Raveness Ravensbane
> <ravenessravensbane@*****.com>
> >So night ones might just be like some guys I know,
> if
> >you want to get a job, cut the ponytail. If you
> want
> >to get the job, take a shower. If you don't want to
> >get "accidentally" geeked by one of your fellow
> >runners while in close quarters, take frequent
> >showers.
>
> He he he, if a Night One's fur is anything like my
> hair they will frequently
> find themselves too fluffy to be scary, especially
> if they follow your
> advice :)>
>
> Phil

Mouse man, LOTS of mouse. *imagine a dark one putting
mouse on all over* he he he...

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From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 19:17:52 GMT
>From: "Simon and Fiona" <sfuller@******.com.au>
>Besides, anything that breathes fire probably doesn't really care about
>body
>tempurature much.

And who exactly is going to suggest to a dragon that they should look into
some roll-on; "gee mr Lofwyr, how come you stink of crap?" :)>


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Message no. 31
From: Yiannakos yiannako@*******.edu
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 15:23:39 -0400
Phil Smith wrote:

> And who exactly is going to suggest to a dragon that they should look into
> some roll-on; "gee mr Lofwyr, how come you stink of crap?" :)>
>
> Phil

"That's not crap. That's the burning flesh smell of the last person who
was bluntly insulting to me.."

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Message no. 32
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 19:28:41 GMT
>From: "Simon and Fiona" <sfuller@******.com.au>
>How about a Night One who sits on chewing gum?

ROFL, no really!

Okay you guys win; I won't be playing a Night One ever, I also have enough
evil plans to keep any NO I GM for perminantly annoyed.

Are there any pictuires of Night Ones out there other than the one in the
SRCompanion? I just have trouble relating that picture of (basicly an
evil-looking elf) to that comment in CP about them looking like muppets.

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Message no. 33
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 19:34:27 GMT
>From: "Mike & Linda Frankl" <mlfrankl@***.com>
>I think it would work for the Night Ones. Plus
>most dogs smell good for a day or so after a bath. If you kept this up,
>like
>daily human bathing, it should be no different.

That's assuming that the NIght One does not find anything dead to roll in.
:)>

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Message no. 34
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 19:51:45 GMT
>From: "Mike & Linda Frankl" <mlfrankl@***.com>
>I think that a
>Night One could shampoo once a day and be fine (in fact could potentially
>smell pretty good with a perfumed cleaner).

I have no doubt that there would be a wide range of cosmetic products aimed
specificly at Night Ones. Their fur is actually only "fine" acording to the
Comanion; which I take to mean that they are a bit better at sweating and
getting away with it than dogs.

>I guess to me I am fighting for the player on this one. Isn't an allergy to
>sunlight enough, does the character have to smell too. If they forget
>hygiene then sure, but otherwise I think it is over-penalizing the player.

*Phil chews some of Simon's chewing gum and throws it at the Night One that
Smiling Jack is protecting.*

Try to get away with +2 quickness in my presence will you :)>

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Message no. 35
From: Rat winterhawk@*********.net
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 13:13:30 -0700
> From: Raveness Ravensbane <ravenessravensbane@*****.com>

> --- Phil Smith <phil_urbanhell@*******.com> wrote:

> > He he he, if a Night One's fur is anything like my
> > hair they will frequently
> > find themselves too fluffy to be scary, especially
> > if they follow your
> > advice :)>
> >
> > Phil
>
> Mouse man, LOTS of mouse. *imagine a dark one putting
> mouse on all over* he he he...
>
> ====> ~Raveness


Now I'm picturing a Night One trying to look cool with
mice in his hair. :)

(<bats at head> "Get outta there, dammit! Your little feet
tickle!")

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Message no. 36
From: Iridios iridios@*****.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 19:13:58 -0400
Raveness Ravensbane wrote:
>
> >
> > He he he, if a Night One's fur is anything like my
> > hair they will frequently
> > find themselves too fluffy to be scary, especially
> > if they follow your
> > advice :)>
>
> Mouse man, LOTS of mouse. *imagine a dark one putting
> mouse on all over* he he he...

Do you mean mousse?


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Message no. 37
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 18:13:09 -0700 (PDT)
<BigSNIP(TM)>
> My relatively uninformed conclusion is that it is
the cleaning process that makes the difference. I also
understand that most strong body odors come from
bacteria growing in our sweat and oils. Washing this
off removes the smell so I think it would work for the
Night Ones. Plus most dogs smell good for a day or so
after a bath. If you kept this up, like daily human
bathing, it should be no different.
> Smilin' Jack

You seem to be forgetting, Jack, that Night Ones (most
probably) sweat, while dogs don't, so the "good smell"
after bathing wouldn't last for a few days as it does
with dogs. Their fur would retain the smell better
than skin would, so more regular bathing would be
required to smell good (as per the BO flaw I created
:) ).

Btw, you need help. Dogs rule. Catz suck. :P

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Message no. 38
From: Fanguad fanguad@****.rit.edu
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 00:04:06 -0400
> I have no doubt that there would be a wide range of cosmetic products aimed
> specificly at Night Ones. Their fur is actually only "fine" acording to
the
> Comanion; which I take to mean that they are a bit better at sweating and
> getting away with it than dogs.

Except that [despite lots of PCs going for the 'hot dark elf chick'
look or +2 QCK] Night Ones are a _rare_ _European_ metavariant.
Perhaps in some communities, such products would be available,
but not in general.

*** BRILLIANT IDEA FOR RUN (tm)*** (or maybe not)
Mr. Johnson, a dark and slightly funky smelling elf, hires the team
to extract a special brand of shampoo...

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Message no. 39
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:30:09 +0200
According to Phil Smith, at 19:51 on 6 Jun 00, the word on the street
was...

> I have no doubt that there would be a wide range of cosmetic products aimed
> specificly at Night Ones.

I do doubt that... IMHO night ones are rare, else they wouldn't be a
metahuman _variant_; that makes it unlikely for manufacturers to spend
lots of money producing cosmetics specifically for them. (Although maybe
they would invest some money in designing new packaging for existing
products, like dog shampoos...)

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Message no. 40
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:30:09 +0200
According to Rat, at 13:13 on 6 Jun 00, the word on the street was...

> Now I'm picturing a Night One trying to look cool with
> mice in his hair. :)

I think she meant "mousse" :)

> (<bats at head> "Get outta there, dammit! Your little feet
> tickle!")

More like "Stop biting me! And get your nails out of my *#%&# skin!"...
Our cat used to have a habit of bringing mice into the house, and one I
wanted to put back outside (because it was alive and relatively unharmed)
tried to bite my finger...

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Message no. 41
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:13:17 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Gurth <gurth@******.nl>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: Now THAT'S a good question...



>More like "Stop biting me! And get your nails out of my *#%&# skin!"...
>Our cat used to have a habit of bringing mice into the house, and one I
>wanted to put back outside (because it was alive and relatively unharmed)
>tried to bite my finger...

Pah, weak European housepets! Ours used to bring in young live Brown Snakes
(one of the top ten most venomous). Neither the cat nor the snakes were ever
seriously harmed. Us kids wandering into the kitchen while a snake was
rearing up to strike under the table, and the back of the fridge when my
father got a shock and wanted to kill the snake with a shotgun were probably
worse off.
The cat disappeared in the end, a bit of a mystery really :?)
Message no. 42
From: Raveness Ravensbane ravenessravensbane@*****.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 07:22:16 -0700 (PDT)
> > Mouse man, LOTS of mouse. *imagine a dark one
> putting
> > mouse on all over* he he he...
> >
> > ====> > ~Raveness
>
>
> Now I'm picturing a Night One trying to look cool
> with
> mice in his hair. :)
>
> (<bats at head> "Get outta there, dammit! Your
> little feet
> tickle!")
>
> --Rat

Ok, I admit, I suck at spelling and I have no
inclination to do anything with my hair with the
exception of ponytails and tying it all up with a
clippie. Moose...that can't be right can it? Maybe for
the creature, but for the squishy hair stuff? I don't
know, GEL. Yeah, can't miss spell that one...but you
never know, I'm really good at messing stuff up...like
my hair! MMMMMmmmm shaving it bald...

Shaving...Would male night ones grow beards? Or would
it just be the little peach fuzz that's on the rest of
their bodies? *begins to wonder if a friend of hers is
really a night one.* His peach fuzz is just a little
denser in what is -supposed- to be his beard area...

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From: Raveness Ravensbane ravenessravensbane@*****.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:01:54 -0700 (PDT)
<snip>
> Btw, you need help. Dogs rule. Catz suck. :P
>
> ====> Doc'

*slaps Doc a high five*

There's a certain smell that cats have, and when I'm
at someone's house that has a cat, sometimes it just
overpowers me, maybe I'm just sensitive to it. Either
way, dogs are much cooler than cats.

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Message no. 44
From: Dan Grabon djmoose@******.kornet.net
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 00:00:26 +0900
On 6/7/00 11:22 PM, Raveness Ravensbane at ravenessravensbane@*****.com
wrote:

> Ok, I admit, I suck at spelling and I have no
> inclination to do anything with my hair with the
> exception of ponytails and tying it all up with a
> clippie. Moose...that can't be right can it? Maybe for

Personally I try to stay out of other people's hair as much as possible. :)

-moose

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Message no. 45
From: Raveness Ravensbane ravenessravensbane@*****.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:00:04 -0700 (PDT)
> > I have no doubt that there would be a wide range
> of cosmetic products aimed
> > specificly at Night Ones.
>
> I do doubt that... IMHO night ones are rare, else
> they wouldn't be a
> metahuman _variant_; that makes it unlikely for
> manufacturers to spend
> lots of money producing cosmetics specifically for
> them. (Although maybe
> they would invest some money in designing new
> packaging for existing
> products, like dog shampoos...)
>
> --
> Gurth@******.nl -

I have a question...would Night Ones have to worry
about fleas?

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Message no. 46
From: Raveness Ravensbane ravenessravensbane@*****.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:06:37 -0700 (PDT)
<snip on mice>
> More like "Stop biting me! And get your nails out of
> my *#%&# skin!"...
> Our cat used to have a habit of bringing mice into
> the house, and one I
> wanted to put back outside (because it was alive and
> relatively unharmed)
> tried to bite my finger...
>
> --
> Gurth@******.nl -

A friend of mine used to raise mice and the tame ones
(the ones that didn't get loose) didn't bite, they
just ended up pooping on you. *shudder* She was making
a decent amount of money as a jr high school kid
raising mice and the ones she didn't want she sold to
pet stores either for pets or for reptile feeders.

What do dragons eat? Besides runners? And do you think
they'd have thier own farms of them? Just cows? Maybe
a nice awakened phoenix farm? Mmmm tastes like bbq chicken...

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From: dbuehrer@******.carl.org dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:49:28 -0600
Raveness Ravensbane wrote:

>I have a question...would Night Ones have to worry
>about fleas?

As much as people do, I suppose. It's possible for a person to host fleas,
lice, ring worms, and a whole host of parasites that live in hair and on/in
the skin. These same parasites are not particularly discriminatory when it
comes to hosts. Night Ones would be just as vulnerable as people IMHO.

If a Night One takes care of himself and has good hygiene, then it
shouldn't be a problem. If they don't have good hygiene tho, then it could
become a problem. Course, the same goes for people.

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Message no. 48
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:41:49 +0200
According to dbuehrer@******.carl.org, at 9:49 on 7 Jun 00, the word on
the street was...

> As much as people do, I suppose. It's possible for a person to host fleas,
> lice, ring worms, and a whole host of parasites that live in hair and on/in
> the skin.

Here's something for all you IRC-junkies to consider: unless I'm mistaken,
the word "chat" originally meant "louse," and "to chat" was
to sit
together with other people suffering from them and kill the lice in your
clothing.

</history lesson>

> These same parasites are not particularly discriminatory when it comes
> to hosts. Night Ones would be just as vulnerable as people IMHO.

LOL! Good thing you left out the world "real" between "as" and
"people" ;)
More seriously, I think night ones would be more vulnerable to fleas,
lice, and similar parasites, because they're much harder to spot in dense
fur than on the (near-)naked skin most humans have.

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Message no. 49
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 18:04:56 GMT
>From: Raveness Ravensbane <ravenessravensbane@*****.com>
>Mouse man, LOTS of mouse. *imagine a dark one putting
>mouse on all over* he he he...

That's what I do. Imagine Night Ones having partys where they die
themsleves blue or bleach themselves :)>

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Message no. 50
From: Alfredo B Alves dghost@****.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:45:30 -0500
On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:01:54 -0700 (PDT) Raveness Ravensbane
<ravenessravensbane@*****.com> writes:
> <snip>
> > Btw, you need help. Dogs rule. Catz suck. :P
> >
> > ====> > Doc'

> *slaps Doc a high five*
>
> There's a certain smell that cats have, and when I'm
> at someone's house that has a cat, sometimes it just
> overpowers me, maybe I'm just sensitive to it. Either
> way, dogs are much cooler than cats.

No way. Cats kick ass. Our dog is, we think half Black Lab - half
Rottweiler ... and he is terrified of our 13 year old 9 pound kitty kat.
(One time a dog snuck into our backyard and poked his nose through the
patio door at our cat and she just swiped him across the nose and sent
him running :) )

That's why when I tried playing a shapeshifter, I played a tiger
shapeshifter. Dogs are cowards; only effective against tough prey if
their pack is with them. Cats to the solitary hunter bit much better. :)

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From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 20:33:55 GMT
>From: Fanguad <fanguad@****.rit.edu>
> > I have no doubt that there would be a wide range of cosmetic products
>aimed
> > specificly at Night Ones. Their fur is actually only "fine" acording
to
>the
> > Comanion; which I take to mean that they are a bit better at sweating
>and
> > getting away with it than dogs.
>
>Except that [despite lots of PCs going for the 'hot dark elf chick'
>look or +2 QCK] Night Ones are a _rare_ _European_ metavariant.
>Perhaps in some communities, such products would be available,
>but not in general.

Where do you think Giants and Gnomes get their clothes from if stuff for
metavariants is rare? Night Ones could use dog shampoo at a push as well,
or even normal stuff.

>*** BRILLIANT IDEA FOR RUN (tm)*** (or maybe not)

No, it is :)>

>Mr. Johnson, a dark and slightly funky smelling elf, hires the team
>to extract a special brand of shampoo...

Or the team is hired to transport several litres of such shampoo to the
Midnight Marauders.


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Message no. 52
From: Jill jmenning@***********.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 17:57:33 -0500
At 02:45 PM 6/7/00, Alfredo wrote:

>No way. Cats kick ass. Our dog is, we think half Black Lab - half
>Rottweiler ... and he is terrified of our 13 year old 9 pound kitty kat.
>(One time a dog snuck into our backyard and poked his nose through the
>patio door at our cat and she just swiped him across the nose and sent
>him running :) )
>
>That's why when I tried playing a shapeshifter, I played a tiger
>shapeshifter. Dogs are cowards; only effective against tough prey if
>their pack is with them. Cats to the solitary hunter bit much better. :)

Which obviously explains why, when the strange cat came in through the dog
door, our dog chased it laps around the house until it found its way out
again. Cat had this scared shitless look on its face, and the mutt was
having the time of her life. That dog in your story was probably spooked,
more than hurt, but they remember that stuff a long time. We used to put up
a board across the kitchen doorway to keep my mother's dog in, back when
she was a little puppy who stood nearly six inches at the shoulder. One day
she knocked that board over, and it hit the floor with a tremendous whomp!
She wasn't hurt, just scared. She's now easily waist-high on me, with these
long legs of hers, and could step over a board without worry. But she
won't, because it's been imprinted in her brain somehow, that trying to get
over the board is dangerous.

I think it's about territory, too. Whoever's turf it is has the advantage,
and knows it. It's instinctive. Dogs instinctively seek to be dominant.
They don't like to be, as far as I can see. If anyone else comes around and
decides to dominate them, most will allow it. Let someone else make the
decisions and worry about where the food is coming from. But if the dog
decides that the quality of leadership is not good enough, he'll try to
take over and do it himself. I played a dog shaman once, who was much the
same way. She did end up dominant after a while, because if she got sick of
waiting for someone else to make the decision, she'd start giving orders.

My last roommate had a cat. I've got a dog. Cat was there first, dog took
over. We ended up having to put a baby gate in the doorway of my roommate's
room so that the cat would have a refuge. That was the world's dumbest cat,
too, boy I tell you, and messy. My roomie wouldn't ever bathe the cat.
Believed in the power of cat saliva to keep the critter clean. That's crap.
Whenever the cat started to stink too bad, I'd grab her and take her to the
sink and give her a bath, despite the protestations of cat and owner. Never
let anyone tell you that cats can't be bathed.

I wouldn't let the cat give me any shit, either. Lived in that apartment a
year and a half and only had to hit back once before she learned not to
take a swipe at me with those claws. Solitary hunter? My roommate used to
call her a great hunter when she brought back baby voles. She hadn't even
figured out how to kill the stupid things, so we had to catch them as they
tried to hide under the refrigerator. Jill was not impressed. The solitary
hunter bit might sound cool, but it's also very antisocial. I refuse to
provide food, shelter, medical care, fresh water, and waste removal
services for a creature who will totally ignore me unless she wants
something. But that's just me.

Dogs can be totally gutsy, too, even without a pack. It varies from dog to
dog, just as from person to person. Where a cat is easily intimidated by
greater size - I've seen a mountain lion back down from a woman the cat
outweighed, just because the woman was taller and started waving her hands
around, making herself *seem* larger. I've also seen a 45 pound cattle dog
go after full-grown steers. It's not an absolute, by any means. "Dogs are
cowards" is a totally inaccurate statement. As are statements like "cats
are great hunters", and "cats are smart are smarter than dogs". Which is
one of my pet peeves with the shamanic totems in SR - they make
generalizations that are frequently inaccurate, and I know several GMs who
would force you to play them that way.

God, I think that's the longest thing I've written for this list yet, and
the closest to a rant... Stopping :o)

Jill
Message no. 53
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:09:27 -0700 (PDT)
> > Btw, you need help. Dogs rule. Catz suck. :P
> > Doc'
>
> *slaps Doc a high five*
>
> There's a certain smell that cats have, and when I'm
at someone's house that has a cat, sometimes it just
overpowers me, maybe I'm just sensitive to it. Either
way, dogs are much cooler than cats.
> ~Raveness

Too right.

If I want snooty, I'll get myself an upper-crust
girlfriend.

In a pet, I want something that'll love me (and, on
occasion, love my leg...)

*Doc' needs to get his current dog de-tongued...*

====Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow, aka Doc'booner, aka Doc' Vader)

S.S. f. P.S.C. & D.J.

.sig Sauer

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Message no. 54
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:41:43 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Smith <phil_urbanhell@*******.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Thursday, June 08, 2000 4:05 AM
Subject: Re: Now THAT'S a good question...


>>From: Raveness Ravensbane <ravenessravensbane@*****.com>
>>Mouse man, LOTS of mouse. *imagine a dark one putting
>>mouse on all over* he he he...
>
>That's what I do. Imagine Night Ones having partys where they die
>themsleves blue or bleach themselves :)>
>
>Phil


See the movie "Earth Girls are Easy" fur just such an event, more or less.
And for Geena Davis :?)
Message no. 55
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 18:16:21 GMT
>From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.com>
>No way. Cats kick ass. Our dog is, we think half Black Lab - half
>Rottweiler ... and he is terrified of our 13 year old 9 pound kitty kat.
>(One time a dog snuck into our backyard and poked his nose through the
>patio door at our cat and she just swiped him across the nose and sent
>him running :) )
>
>That's why when I tried playing a shapeshifter, I played a tiger
>shapeshifter. Dogs are cowards; only effective against tough prey if
>their pack is with them. Cats to the solitary hunter bit much better. :)

And they are so much cooler; dogs just slobber and go crazy, cats are
refined, dignified, and then they tear your face off. In a cool way :)>


Phil

It is a fact of life in Earthdawn that characters will fall, usually from
high places.
ED main book, Adventuring in Earthdawn

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Message no. 56
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 18:51:31 GMT
>From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
>Too right.
>
>If I want snooty, I'll get myself an upper-crust
>girlfriend.
>
>In a pet, I want something that'll love me (and, on
>occasion, love my leg...)
>
>*Doc' needs to get his current dog de-tongued...*

Naw, cats love you, they just get a choice in the matter; my neighbour's cat
adores me. Dogs love you becuse they'll love anything, it's what dogs do.

Phil

It is a fact of life in Earthdawn that characters will fall, usually from
high places.
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Message no. 57
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 06:13:21 -0700 (PDT)
> >Too right.
> >
> >If I want snooty, I'll get myself an upper-crust
girlfriend.
> >
> >In a pet, I want something that'll love me (and, on
occasion, love my leg...)
> >
> >*Doc' needs to get his current dog de-tongued...*
>
> Naw, cats love you, they just get a choice in the
matter; my neighbour's cat adores me. Dogs love you
becuse they'll love anything, it's what dogs do.
> Phil

But has a cat ever loved your leg?

====Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow, aka Doc'booner, aka Doc' Vader)

S.S. f. P.S.C. & D.J.

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Message no. 58
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: Now THAT'S a good question...
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:55:15 GMT
>From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
> > >If I want snooty, I'll get myself an upper-crust
>girlfriend.
> > >
> > >In a pet, I want something that'll love me (and, on
>occasion, love my leg...)
> > >
> > >*Doc' needs to get his current dog de-tongued...*
> >
> > Naw, cats love you, they just get a choice in the
>matter; my neighbour's cat adores me. Dogs love you
>becuse they'll love anything, it's what dogs do.
> > Phil
>
>But has a cat ever loved your leg?

No, never, which I would consider quite a good thing, but then I like Pot
Noodles so who am I to judge?

Any way, back on topic, erm Shadowrun, yeah

*Phil concentrates hard*

My next character concept; I'm going to play a cat :)>

Phil

...Unfortunatly one of them spotted our hidden microphone and followed the
extension cable back to the police station.
Milton Jones

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