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Message no. 1
From: Todd James Gillespie <toddg@****.ACS.UNT.EDU>
Subject: npc juice the easy monowhip way!
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 09:12:45 -0500
On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Martin Steffens wrote:

> Todd wrote:
> some stuff
> But then Martin Steffens wrote:
>> more stuff

But then we got bored of that topic.
So the new one is -

WHAT is the damage modifications to a pc with a monowhip in the tip of
each finger? (At least they're only on one hand) And what do you do for
role-playing difference? This is obviously not going to be a pretty wound!
Message no. 2
From: Michael Orion Jackson <moj0001@****.ACS.UNT.EDU>
Subject: Re: npc juice the easy monowhip way!
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 10:05:56 -0500
On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Todd James Gillespie wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Martin Steffens wrote:
>
> > Todd wrote:
> > some stuff
> > But then Martin Steffens wrote:
> >> more stuff
>
> But then we got bored of that topic.
> So the new one is -
>
> WHAT is the damage modifications to a pc with a monowhip in the tip of
> each finger? (At least they're only on one hand) And what do you do for
> role-playing difference? This is obviously not going to be a pretty wound!
>
Burst fire mods for a MONOWHIP? (5 round burst). *Sigh*

It would make slicing cheese easy, though.

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|Michael Orion Jackson |"A college student is a mechanism for |
|moj0001@****.acs.unt.edu |converting caffeine into finished |
|>Flaming is immature.< |homework" -unknown, but perceptive author |
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Message no. 3
From: Todd James Gillespie <toddg@****.ACS.UNT.EDU>
Subject: Re: npc juice the easy monowhip way!
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 10:33:33 -0500
On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Michael Orion Jackson wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Todd James Gillespie wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Martin Steffens wrote:
> >
> > > Todd wrote:
> > > some stuff
> > > But then Martin Steffens wrote:
> > >> more stuff
> >
> > But then we got bored of that topic.
> > So the new one is -
> >
> > WHAT is the damage modifications to a pc with a monowhip in the tip of
> > each finger? (At least they're only on one hand) And what do you do for
> > role-playing difference? This is obviously not going to be a pretty wound!
> >
> Burst fire mods for a MONOWHIP? (5 round burst). *Sigh*
>
> It would make slicing cheese easy, though.
>

Try making nachos with it, Mike.
Message no. 4
From: Michael Orion Jackson <moj0001@****.ACS.UNT.EDU>
Subject: Re: npc juice the easy monowhip way!
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:08:12 -0500
On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Todd James Gillespie wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Michael Orion Jackson wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Todd James Gillespie wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Martin Steffens wrote:
> > >
> > > > Todd wrote:
> > > > some stuff
> > > > But then Martin Steffens wrote:
> > > >> more stuff
> > >
> > > But then we got bored of that topic.
> > > So the new one is -
> > >
> > > WHAT is the damage modifications to a pc with a monowhip in the tip of
> > > each finger? (At least they're only on one hand) And what do you do for
> > > role-playing difference? This is obviously not going to be a pretty wound!
> > >
> > Burst fire mods for a MONOWHIP? (5 round burst). *Sigh*
> >
> > It would make slicing cheese easy, though.
> >
>
> Try making nachos with it, Mike.
>
Hey, this could give a whole new meaning to "Who cut the cheese?!"

Yes, folks it's a Monohand! It slices, it dices, it makes thousands of
Julienne Fries! (Only 99.95 + .27 S&H from Major Opportunity
Business(MOB inc))
__________________________________________________________________________
|Michael Orion Jackson |"A college student is a mechanism for |
|moj0001@****.acs.unt.edu |converting caffeine into finished |
|>Flaming is immature.< |homework" -unknown, but perceptive author |
__________________________________________________________________________
Alt.aolrules?!? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Message no. 5
From: P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: npc juice the easy monowhip way!
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:19:23 BST
Todd James Gillespie :-

> WHAT is the damage modifications to a pc with a monowhip in the tip of
> each finger? (At least they're only on one hand) And what do you do for
> role-playing difference? This is obviously not going to be a pretty wound!

Easy, the damage is 14D for the barret in the head he gets for even thinking
about such a difficult fighting style.... yuck...

Let them try to hit with each different weapon at the +2 extra attack
modifer, and then they'll be beggin to have them out.... Like Lynch says,
give them what they want, until they're begging to have them taken away again.

Phil (Renegade)
Message no. 6
From: Todd James Gillespie <toddg@****.ACS.UNT.EDU>
Subject: Re: npc juice the easy monowhip way!
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:19:20 -0500
On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Michael Orion Jackson wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Todd James Gillespie wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Michael Orion Jackson wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Todd James Gillespie wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Martin Steffens wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Todd wrote:
> > > > > some stuff
> > > > > But then Martin Steffens wrote:
> > > > >> more stuff
> > > >
> > > > But then we got bored of that topic.
> > > > So the new one is -
> > > >
> > > > WHAT is the damage modifications to a pc with a monowhip in the tip of
> > > > each finger? (At least they're only on one hand) And what do you do
for
> > > > role-playing difference? This is obviously not going to be a pretty
wound!
> > > >
> > > Burst fire mods for a MONOWHIP? (5 round burst). *Sigh*
> > >
> > > It would make slicing cheese easy, though.
> > >
> >
> > Try making nachos with it, Mike.
> >
> Hey, this could give a whole new meaning to "Who cut the cheese?!"
>
> Yes, folks it's a Monohand! It slices, it dices, it makes thousands of
> Julienne Fries! (Only 99.95 + .27 S&H from Major Opportunity
> Business(MOB inc))

But why stop there, Mike! 5 in the other hand! 2 in each foot! a few
attached to REGIONS THAT EXON WON'T LET US MENTION!!!! add one to
your tongue!! a few more, and NOONE can TOUCH YOU in unarmed combat!!
Because if they do -- then it's really un-armed combat!!



And when you roll over at night in your sleep, you fall through 4 floors.
Message no. 7
From: Michael Orion Jackson <moj0001@****.ACS.UNT.EDU>
Subject: Re: npc juice the easy monowhip way!
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:04:01 -0500
On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Todd James Gillespie wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Michael Orion Jackson wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Todd James Gillespie wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Michael Orion Jackson wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Todd James Gillespie wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Martin Steffens wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Todd wrote:
> > > > > > some stuff
> > > > > > But then Martin Steffens wrote:
> > > > > >> more stuff
> > > > >
> > > > > But then we got bored of that topic.
> > > > > So the new one is -
> > > > >
> > > > > WHAT is the damage modifications to a pc with a monowhip in the
tip of
> > > > > each finger? (At least they're only on one hand) And what do you
do for
> > > > > role-playing difference? This is obviously not going to be a
pretty wound!
> > > > >
> > > > Burst fire mods for a MONOWHIP? (5 round burst). *Sigh*
> > > >
> > > > It would make slicing cheese easy, though.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Try making nachos with it, Mike.
> > >
> > Hey, this could give a whole new meaning to "Who cut the cheese?!"
> >
> > Yes, folks it's a Monohand! It slices, it dices, it makes thousands of
> > Julienne Fries! (Only 99.95 + .27 S&H from Major Opportunity
> > Business(MOB inc))
>
> But why stop there, Mike! 5 in the other hand! 2 in each foot! a few
> attached to REGIONS THAT EXON WON'T LET US MENTION!!!! add one to
> your tongue!! a few more, and NOONE can TOUCH YOU in unarmed combat!!
> Because if they do -- then it's really un-armed combat!!
>
>
>
> And when you roll over at night in your sleep, you fall through 4 floors.
>
Don't forget to remain calm when having sex, lest you (or your partner)
fall prey to cutting commentary.

How about a monowhip in each nostril? Equip them with a drag chute
(collapsable, of course) so that each time you sneeze, you lop someone
else's arm off. If everyone had this, the govrernment would be induced
to do a "Manhattan Project" for a flu vaccine! Hehehe...

As a side note, why do we assume that the monowhip must be a loose
(albeit death-dealing)string? Just charge that sucker up with some static
electricity, and you end up with a sword that is very light-weight, very agile,
almost invisible, and very deadly. Take a look in Larry Niven's body of
work (I believe in the first Ringworld novel) where he mentions a sword
of this sort (a "collapsable sword"), or in John Walter William's _Voice
of the Whirlwind_ where a monowhip is mentioned that can be either a
loose whip or a straight sword.


Or, hell, look at the family weed-eater and think what it could do with a
mono-string.
__________________________________________________________________________
|Michael Orion Jackson |"A college student is a mechanism for |
|moj0001@****.acs.unt.edu |converting caffeine into finished |
|>Flaming is immature.< |homework" -unknown, but perceptive author |
__________________________________________________________________________
Message no. 8
From: "S.F. Eley" <gt6877c@*****.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: npc juice the easy monowhip way!
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:35:41 -0400
> WHAT is the damage modifications to a pc with a monowhip in the tip of
> each finger? (At least they're only on one hand) And what do you do for
> role-playing difference? This is obviously not going to be a pretty wound!

Aaaaaarrrrrrggghhh!!!! _Johnny Mnemonic_ hits the screen and now suddenly
everyone wants to have a whip stuck in their finger.. Sorry, folks, it
ain't that simple.

First, let's take somebody's advice and pretend it's a modification of the
burst fire rules. Then, let's add some semblance of logic and decide that
it's only the four primary digits that are whipped and not the thumb,
because you CAN'T give your thumb the same vector of motion as your other
four fingers -- the thumb's whip would fly off in a completely different
direction than the other four. So that's four weapons.. We'll give it the
burst-fire penalty of +1 for each "round" after the first for the whole
group, for a +3 penalty on the attack. For gunfire that penalty is due to
recoil; in this case, it's due to the difficulty of keeping four lines
together and in parallel by a simple hand-wave. (If they got tangled, it
would certainly alter their movement, whether or not the whips are capable
of slicing each other to shreds.) There's a +2 Reach, of course, but that
may or may not help.

Because all four whips are headed to the same place at the same time, treat
them as one attack. A successful defense blocks not just one of them, but
all four. (Makes sense, if they're only a centimeter or two apart from each
other.) Yes, the damage is rolled separately for each whip, but any pool
dice added to the Damage Resistance tests go to EACH test, not just to one
of them. (You're not trying to dodge just one whip, you're trying to dodge
all of them.)

And therein lies the danger.. Because all four of the whips are being
treated as one unit, if even ONE of the whips has a "clean miss" (the
defender's full defense Pool dice successes exceed the attacker's successes)
then all four whips miss, and the attacker needs to make an Armed Combat
Test against a target number 9 (the usual whip 6, +3 as explained above,
Reach bonus is canceled because the attacker is at his own whips' ground
zero) to avoid getting whipped by all four. If this happens, of course,
the fingerman has four 10S damage tests to take... It won't happen often,
but it's bound to happen sometime, and I predict a short lifespan for anyone
who tries this. (Particularly if they don't have a damn good Monowhip
specialization.)

The entire scenario above assumes that all four whips will stay together,
which is a slight digression from reality. In reality, the whips will get
tangled, or "go wild," or other Bad Things will happen that could ruin the
attacker's day. GM's might want to impose skill tests every time the whips
are used, BEFORE the attack is resolved, to see if the fingerman manages to
keep control. Hope he stays lucky.


ONE FINAL NOTE: All this talk about "egg-topping" people, slicing through
floors, etc. with monowhips is grossly inaccurate. Shadowrun monofilament
whips are nasty, but not THAT nasty. A 10S damage code is nowhere close to
slicing someone in half.. Remember that Barrier Ratings double against
them, so they're good at slicing but not really that good at penetrating
hard materials. If monofilament was as unilaterally lethal as some people
seem to think, corps wouldn't need so many guards; they'd just web the
corridors with the stuff every night and pick up the pieces of shadowrunners
in the morning.


Blessings,

_TNX._

--
Stephen F. Eley (-) gt6877c@*****.gatech.edu )-( Student Pagan Community
http://wc62.residence.gatech.edu| "Don't take life too seriously.
My opinions are my opinions. | You will never get out of it
Please don't blame anyone else. | alive." -- (Unknown)
Message no. 9
From: Duke Diener <DukeDragon@***.COM>
Subject: Re: npc juice the easy monowhip way!
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:13:28 -0400
In a message dated 95-06-28 12:12:44 EDT, Michael Jackson wrote:

>On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Todd James Gillespie wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Michael Orion Jackson wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Todd James Gillespie wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Martin Steffens wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Todd wrote:
>> > > > some stuff
>> > > > But then Martin Steffens wrote:
>> > > >> more stuff
>> > >
>> > > But then we got bored of that topic.
>> > > So the new one is -
>> > >
>> > > WHAT is the damage modifications to a pc with a monowhip in the tip of
>> > > each finger? (At least they're only on one hand) And what do you do
for
>> > > role-playing difference? This is obviously not going to be a pretty
>wound!
>> > >
>> > Burst fire mods for a MONOWHIP? (5 round burst). *Sigh*
>> >
>> > It would make slicing cheese easy, though.
>> >
>>
>> Try making nachos with it, Mike.
>>
>Hey, this could give a whole new meaning to "Who cut the cheese?!"
>
>Yes, folks it's a Monohand! It slices, it dices, it makes thousands of
>Julienne Fries! (Only 99.95 + .27 S&H from Major Opportunity
>Business(MOB inc))

So what is the sound of Mono-Hand clapping.................................


OOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Duke
Message no. 10
From: Samuel Jones <sjones1@***.UNICOMP.NET>
Subject: Re: npc juice the easy monowhip way!
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 00:27:32 CDT
<large amounts of text snipped for space considerations>

>ONE FINAL NOTE: All this talk about "egg-topping" people, slicing through
>floors, etc. with monowhips is grossly inaccurate. Shadowrun monofilament
>whips are nasty, but not THAT nasty. A 10S damage code is nowhere close to
>slicing someone in half.. Remember that Barrier Ratings double against
>them, so they're good at slicing but not really that good at penetrating
>hard materials. If monofilament was as unilaterally lethal as some people
>seem to think, corps wouldn't need so many guards; they'd just web the
>corridors with the stuff every night and pick up the pieces of shadowrunners
>in the morning.

I've got an html document on monofilament whips. Basically hard ceramics
stop monolines, as do other monolines. Some shadowrunners(especially those
with monofilament whips) may think about lining their armor with
monolines(GM NOTE: I'd say 2-3 times the original amount outta cover it:
monowire is VERY expensive) The above tactic might actually be used in some
corps, except what happens when someone misses a web of wire(it is
practically invisible..) and an expensive wage-slave walks into it.(How's
THAT for early retirement :-) ) Also note that most armies have monolines
or hard ceramics lined into armor to keep monofilaments from working. Now
THAT would be a nasty surprise to Mr.
I'veGotAMonofilamentWhipAndAnActiveSoft:20! Coincidentally: If monowire is
dropped on a floor, the floor is NOT cut! If anyone's interested in the
html site I got this article from, I'll post the name of the site. Oh:
Monowire makes a GREAT substitute for barbed wire. I just found out that it
takes a few seconds to respond to a cut by monowire because the synapses
misfire :-) Tie monofilament wire at head and leg levels when being persued
by security forces and watch the bodies of rent-a-cops pile up :-)
Message no. 11
From: Todd James Gillespie <toddg@****.ACS.UNT.EDU>
Subject: Re: npc juice the easy monowhip way!
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:06:38 -0500
On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, S.F. Eley wrote:

>
> Aaaaaarrrrrrggghhh!!!! _Johnny Mnemonic_ hits the screen and now suddenly
> everyone wants to have a whip stuck in their finger.. Sorry, folks, it
> ain't that simple.
Still haven't gotten around to seeing any movies this summer.
>
>
> ONE FINAL NOTE: All this talk about "egg-topping" people, slicing through
> floors, etc. with monowhips is grossly inaccurate. Shadowrun monofilament
> whips are nasty, but not THAT nasty. A 10S damage code is nowhere close to
> slicing someone in half.. Remember that Barrier Ratings double against
> them, so they're good at slicing but not really that good at penetrating
> hard materials. If monofilament was as unilaterally lethal as some people
> seem to think, corps wouldn't need so many guards; they'd just web the
> corridors with the stuff every night and pick up the pieces of shadowrunners
> in the morning.
>

My corps do that all the time. A little mono- webbed fence in various
corridors.... so much fun. It also make a great scene if they figure
out how to lure the attack dogs to run through the fences ... dogburger,
and also, the PCs could kill all the guards (or guard animals) without
actually killing anyone themselves.
Message no. 12
From: Todd James Gillespie <toddg@****.ACS.UNT.EDU>
Subject: Re: npc juice the easy monowhip way!
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:44:58 -0500
On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, S.F. Eley wrote:

> ONE FINAL NOTE: All this talk about "egg-topping" people, slicing through
> floors, etc. with monowhips is grossly inaccurate. Shadowrun monofilament
> whips are nasty, but not THAT nasty. A 10S damage code is nowhere close to
> slicing someone in half..

No, but a decent skill with the whip and then 10D IS slicing someone in
half. Besides, if you want to be really realistic and hideous to your
players, count the progressive bleeding damage. I think if you score a
serious wound, blood is everywhere except in the guy's bloodstream.

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