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Message no. 1
From: Andre' Selmer <031SEA@******.WITS.AC.ZA>
Subject: Nuyen et al.
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 12:01:56 +0200
Has anyone come up with a comprehensive list of all the currencies in
the Shadowrun Universe ?. Apart from that and the conversion into
nuyen would be appriciated . I figure that by 2050 a great deal of the
current currencies have been rendered obsolete by the various wars et
al.

Second, (this is a murky point in our games). What forms are there, I
know you can have nuyen on credstick, certified cred, cash (what are
the denominations available, standard 1,5,10,20,50,100,200,500,1000
??). What is corperate script ? And isn't it traceable, I know that
credstick is, but certified cred ? Cash definately not ! (Mind you
enough money and a note could have a minituried signal locator
inserted between the sheets. Say thats an idea;-> <ponder>


Andre'

+-----------------------------------------------------------+
|It has been said that the they who stay in the shadows have|
|no soul, no depth, no moral conviction. But how can one |
|say this when, it is they who have lost themselves in the |
|search utopia. We are the realists, we work from the |
|unseen corners of society, we do what no another has the |
|strenght to do, with our cybered bodies and magic extreme |
|we prevent the corruption from spreading and destroying |
|your dreams, not through power, but bulletts, sweat, tears |
|and blood. All of this we do for your sake, and few nuyen. |
+-----------------------------------------------------------+

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/ \ \ /~\/~~~~
| | | + \_/ + THUMP...Thump..thump = Boom ?
| |
\___/
Message no. 2
From: Mark Steedman <RSMS@******.EEE.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Nuyen et al.
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 11:35:39 GMT
> From: "Andre' Selmer" <031SEA@******.WITS.AC.ZA>

> Has anyone come up with a comprehensive list of all the currencies in
> the Shadowrun Universe ?. Apart from that and the conversion into
> nuyen would be appriciated . I figure that by 2050 a great deal of the
> current currencies have been rendered obsolete by the various wars et
> al.
>
No but London deals with British pounds and NAGNA with dollars.

> Second, (this is a murky point in our games). What forms are there, I
> know you can have nuyen on credstick, certified cred, cash (what are
> the denominations available, standard 1,5,10,20,50,100,200,500,1000
> ??).
sourcebooks suggest it goes down to at least .5 yen notes, and there
is a comment somewhere about a boarder where 500 yen note in your
passsport are not considered paperwork.

> What is corperate script ?
Corp internal money isn't it, you can only spend it [usually] at
sjops run by said corp [thats openly owned by of course].

> And isn't it traceable,
Very i would have thought, though knowing you got Ares scipt from
Ares is real useful.[most of the time]

> I know that credstick is, but certified cred ?
A credstick loaded with funds it can transfer without having to check
with a bank to do it, or something like that.

> Cash definately not ! (Mind you
> enough money and a note could have a minituried signal locator
> inserted between the sheets. Say thats an idea;-> <ponder>
>
you could do it to a credstick, even easier.

>
> Andre'
>
Mark
Message no. 3
From: robert frazine <shade@*****.EDU>
Subject: Re: Nuyen et al.
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 08:44:27 -0400
on the subject of corporate script... Some corps view it ownership of
their script by non-employees or dependants as illegal.

So check out the law for the corp script that the johnson is
paying you in.

By far the least traceable payment is corporate bearer bonds.
Message no. 4
From: Niels Broberg <ncb@***.KU.DK>
Subject: Re: Nuyen et al.
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 15:09:51 +0100
On thu 24-8 Mark Steedman wrote :

> From: "Andre' Selmer" <031SEA@******.WITS.AC.ZA>

> Has anyone come up with a comprehensive list of all the currencies in
> the Shadowrun Universe ?. Apart from that and the conversion into
> nuyen would be appriciated . I figure that by 2050 a great deal of the
> current currencies have been rendered obsolete by the various wars et
> al.
>
>No but London deals with British pounds and NAGNA with dollars.

In the Gamemasters book from the Denver box there's a list of currencies
including Atzlan pezo, Brithish £ , Dollars and so on. There's also a
table with exchange rates and rules for exchange rate fluxations (sp?)

>> What is corperate script ?
>Corp internal money isn't it, you can only spend it [usually] at
>sjops run by said corp [thats openly owned by of course].
>
>> And isn't it traceable,
>Very i would have thought, though knowing you got Ares scipt from
>Ares is real useful.[most of the time]
>

You can read more about the Corp. script in Corperate Shadowfiles I haven't
got it with me, sorry.

Niels Broberg - NCB@***.KU.DK

I VOTE FOR GERT FRANK !
Message no. 5
From: "Patrick D. Little" <pdl@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Nuyen et al.
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 17:23:45 PDT
---------------Original Message---------------

Second, (this is a murky point in our games). What forms are there, I
know you can have nuyen on credstick, certified cred, cash (what are
the denominations available, standard 1,5,10,20,50,100,200,500,1000
??). What is corperate script ? And isn't it traceable, I know that
credstick is, but certified cred ? Cash definately not ! (Mind you
enough money and a note could have a minituried signal locator
inserted between the sheets. Say thats an idea;-> <ponder>


Andre'



----------End of Original Message----------
If someone is using electronic currency, I would say that it is traceable. I do not
really know how it would be tracked in terms of a game mechanic. Perhaps, a matrix
etiquette test? This is really strange I was just think about this today. :)

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Name: patrick
E-mail: pdl@******.net
Date: 08/24/95
Time: 17:29:00

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Message no. 6
From: Ioannis Pantelidis <jpante@******.COMPULINK.GR>
Subject: Re: Nuyen et al.
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 09:42:47 +0300
the only data that a certified credstick it has on it is only when and
where it is create par example commercial bank of seatle 8/8/2053 no of
credstick 12354563. if someone (a runner) wants to know from where and
who this credstick was created he must infiltrate to the bank system to
see for what corp or person this credstick was made. (the banks keep
records because the people that work in they could make infinitive
certified credsticks for themselves :) )
Message no. 7
From: Andre' Selmer <031SEA@******.WITS.AC.ZA>
Subject: Re: Nuyen et al.
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 09:04:37 +0200
}the only data that a certified credstick it has on it is only when and
}where it is create par example commercial bank of seatle 8/8/2053 no of
}credstick 12354563. if someone (a runner) wants to know from where and
}who this credstick was created he must infiltrate to the bank system to
}see for what corp or person this credstick was made. (the banks keep
}records because the people that work in they could make infinitive
}certified credsticks for themselves :) )

That doesn't stop a decker or anyone with a decent electronics,
computer skill being able to change to Date, No of the credstick.
Unless its hardwired into the credsticks chip, but the chances of
this are minimal as it takes a lot longer to hardwire something into
a chip than it does to enter it. Also (aussumptions rife) the
certified cred stick cannot be totally hardwired as the amount that
it is valued for changes (decreases) as the character buys various
bits and bobs.

The problem with the idea though is that although the credstick as a
set value to decreases, it would seem that this self same character
could fiddle with the amount total as well.

This brings up another point, why do deckers even bother with runs,
if all that they have to do is deck into a banking system and 'loot'
as such. The only plausable explination that I can come up with, is
that the bank mainframes are hardwired to transfer a maximum of a set
amount from personal accounts per minute. Say 50 =Y= a minute. This
would effectively force a decker to wait in a node for a hell of a
long time (enought for someone to notice him) to gain any amount of
cash. And as the decker could only do x amount of transfer commands
per minute... I'm sure you see the point.

Just a point, I have the feeling that this has been discussed before

Andre'

+-----------------------------------------------------------+
|It has been said that the they who stay in the shadows have|
|no soul, no depth, no moral conviction. But how can one |
|say this when, it is they who have lost themselves in the |
|search utopia. We are the realists, we work from the |
|unseen corners of society, we do what no another has the |
|strenght to do, with our cybered bodies and magic extreme |
|we prevent the corruption from spreading and destroying |
|your dreams, not through power, but bulletts, sweat, tears |
|and blood. All of this we do for your sake, and few nuyen. |
+-----------------------------------------------------------+

-
|_|_
/ \ \ /~\/~~~~
| | | - \_/ + THUMP...Thump..thump = Boom ?
| |
\___/
Message no. 8
From: Axel Strack <strack@***.TU-FREIBERG.DE>
Subject: Re: Nuyen et al.
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 13:18:56 MESZ
Andre Selmer wrote :
>--- some stuff deleted ---
> That doesn't stop a decker or anyone with a decent electronics,
> computer skill being able to change to Date, No of the credstick.
> Unless its hardwired into the credsticks chip, but the chances of
> this are minimal as it takes a lot longer to hardwire something into
> a chip than it does to enter it. Also (aussumptions rife) the
> certified cred stick cannot be totally hardwired as the amount that
> it is valued for changes (decreases) as the character buys various
> bits and bobs.
>
> The problem with the idea though is that although the credstick as a
> set value to decreases, it would seem that this self same character
> could fiddle with the amount total as well.

FYI:, in germany we have telephone-cards which i would call semi-hardwired :
It is only possible to deduct money, but you can never increase that amount.

Kid Flash
strack@*******.tu-freiberg.de
Message no. 9
From: "Sgt. Pepper" <GRBENNET@*****.CIS.ECU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Nuyen et al.
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 09:55:12 EDT
Andre wrote:

> That doesn't stop a decker or anyone with a decent electronics,
>computer skill being able to change to Date, No of the credstick.
>Unless its hardwired into the credsticks chip, but the chances of
>this are minimal as it takes a lot longer to hardwire something into
>a chip than it does to enter it. Also (aussumptions rife) the
>certified cred stick cannot be totally hardwired as the amount that
>it is valued for changes (decreases) as the character buys various
>bits and bobs.

It was my understanding that a certified credstick DOESN'T change value,
it is CERTIFIEDto have a certain amount of nuyen on it. So I would think
the hardwire is in fact the way they are made.

Sgt. Pepper

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