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Message no. 1
From: "Fisher, Victor" <Victor-Fisher@******.COM>
Subject: Off topic discussions...
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:01:41 -0500
I'm a little confused what constitutes an 'off topic' discussion.
If, thru the varitety of chats on books, games, movies, and sharing
experiences other people can generate their own ideas for their own
games, isn't that what this place is about [hey, I could be wrong :-]
Little blurbs tacked onto the ends of long messages are a little
annoying [I think I've done it once or twice]. and I've waded thru my
fare share of mail I discard after skimming thru it [I guess most do, if
it's a subject they're not interrested in a the moment, or have already
said all they're going to say some time in the past]. Just a couple
friendly hints here and there should clear up the problem a little,
instead of a massive censure [at least that's how it seems, when I read
thru the mail directed at the subject. Maybe I'm misinterpreting it.]
For those computer savy, they can filter out OT's when they arrive,
and for those posting them, just make sure they include OT in their
headers when they post. But, I'm not running the board, so final
judgement isn't up to me. Just thought I'd voice a few thoughts, that's
all.
Message no. 2
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:35:13 +0000
On 1 Apr 97 at 12:01, Fisher, Victor wrote:

> For those computer savy, they can filter out OT's when they arrive,
> and for those posting them, just make sure they include OT in their
> headers when they post. But, I'm not running the board, so final
> judgement isn't up to me. Just thought I'd voice a few thoughts,
> that's all.
>

Here here. I find the OT stuff amusing, interesting, and
entertaining. I hope we don't have to be policed, like some damn Fido
echo. Like Victor said, if we all use good subject lines, and add OT
when the topic is clearly off-topic, those who do not want to read it
can delete it or set up filters. What is the problem?



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Message no. 3
From: TEGTMEBC@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 16:39:27 -0500
Drekhead suggested:

> Here here. I find the OT stuff amusing, interesting, and
> entertaining. I hope we don't have to be policed, like some damn Fido
> echo. Like Victor said, if we all use good subject lines, and add OT
> when the topic is clearly off-topic, those who do not want to read it
> can delete it or set up filters. What is the problem?

Well, the problem is that people don't always put the OT in the subject
lines. I'm one of these people, but I can't change the subject lines when I
reply, and I'm guessing that's the problem with other people as well. The other
problem is, as Dark Avenger pointed out to me, that some people's server
doesn't allow filtering the OT posts because, as I understood it, the mail
isn't uniformly labeled as OT. That and all since they can't filter it, they
have to spend all the time downloading the OT stuff with the good stuff. I
think that covers about everything. If i'm leaving something out, Avenger, just
put in the other problems associated with the OT stuff.

-The Immortal Mental
Message no. 4
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowrn@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 21:31:29 +0100
In message <199704011938.TAA661191@****.ibm.net>, Drekhead
<drekhead@***.NET> writes
>Here here. I find the OT stuff amusing, interesting, and
>entertaining. I hope we don't have to be policed, like some damn Fido
>echo. Like Victor said, if we all use good subject lines, and add OT
>when the topic is clearly off-topic, those who do not want to read it
>can delete it or set up filters. What is the problem?

Because some of us still have to download it before we can filter it,
SMTP being what it is.

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Message no. 5
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:32:04 +0500
On 1 Apr 97 at 21:31, Paul J. Adam wrote:

> >to read it can delete it or set up filters. What is the problem?
>
> Because some of us still have to download it before we can filter
> it, SMTP being what it is.
>

I know, because I do. Well, I don't have to, because Pegasus let's
you view waiting mail before you download it if you want to, but it
is easier to just grab it and go.

I do not want to piss anyone off about this, just don't understand
what the big deal is. I certainly don't want see people jump ship
over it, especially someone whose posts are always interesting like
yours, Paul. I have learned a lot from you, BTW. Thanks.

I am just trying to offer suggestions. I really don't know how to
please everyone...maybe we can't.


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Message no. 6
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 03:39:48 +0100
In article <01IH7597V49694DZ03@******.acs.muohio.edu>,
TEGTMEBC@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU writes
>Drekhead suggested:
>
> Well, the problem is that people don't always put the OT in the subject
>lines. I'm one of these people, but I can't change the subject lines when I
>reply, and I'm guessing that's the problem with other people as well. The other
>problem is, as Dark Avenger pointed out to me, that some people's server
>doesn't allow filtering the OT posts because, as I understood it, the mail
>isn't uniformly labeled as OT. That and all since they can't filter it, they
>have to spend all the time downloading the OT stuff with the good stuff. I
>think that covers about everything. If i'm leaving something out, Avenger, just
>put in the other problems associated with the OT stuff.
>
>-The Immortal Mental

Nope, I think you summed it up nicely, so I'll not continue mouthing off
on the subject. :)

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Message no. 7
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:42:14 +0100
Fisher, Victor said on 12:01/ 1 Apr 97...

> I'm a little confused what constitutes an 'off topic' discussion.

Off-topic for this list is, technically, anything not related to
Shadowrun. For example, the W-word thread was off-topic (though I'm not
sure you were around at the time) because it didn't deal with SR at all.
The recent LAV thread could be considered off-topic in some respects, but
in others it still related to SR. Grounding-through-quickenings threads
are on-topic, because they're about SR 100% (though usually this thread
is not all that welcome :)

That makes this thread off-topic too, because we're not talking about SR
but about off-topic posts :)

> Little blurbs tacked onto the ends of long messages are a little
> annoying [I think I've done it once or twice].

They're more than annoying if you see a lot of them, and especially if you
have a phone bill to pay for downloading them, as many of us Europeans do.

> For those computer savy, they can filter out OT's when they arrive,
> and for those posting them, just make sure they include OT in their
> headers when they post. But, I'm not running the board, so final
> judgement isn't up to me.

Mark is in control, and he's putting his foot down.

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Message no. 8
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 19:39:28 +1000
> > Little blurbs tacked onto the ends of long messages are a little
> > annoying [I think I've done it once or twice].
>
> They're more than annoying if you see a lot of them, and especially if you
> have a phone bill to pay for downloading them, as many of us Europeans do.
>

True enough, but that's a case of bad nettiquette. I always trim the
posts I'm replying to.

I can't say I always reply on topic though, because I'm here to enjoy
myself and to gather (sometimes bizarre) ideas for my games. The humour
and the random direction of the conversations are what make this list, as
far as I'm concerned.

I'm not one of those who has to pay by the byte, so I can't speak from
that POV.... except to say that I feel sorry for you.

> > For those computer savy, they can filter out OT's when they arrive,
> > and for those posting them, just make sure they include OT in their
> > headers when they post. But, I'm not running the board, so final
> > judgement isn't up to me.
>
> Mark is in control, and he's putting his foot down.
>

Yah, it's up to him I guess. Sieg Heil and all that. *grin*
Message no. 9
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:20:21 +0000
On 1 Apr 97 at 14:35, Drekhead wrote:
[snip]
> Here here. I find the OT stuff amusing, interesting, and
> entertaining. I hope we don't have to be policed, like some damn Fido
> echo. Like Victor said, if we all use good subject lines, and add OT
> when the topic is clearly off-topic, those who do not want to read it
> can delete it or set up filters. What is the problem?
Problem: about 200 DM phone bill. Those of us who do not live in the
states have to pay for local calls (like, to our ISP) too. I know, this
may be a novel concept for some of you, but _I_ pay for off-topic
posts.

Although personally I enjoy most OT-mail, I can feel for anyone who
doesn't and _still_ has to pay for it.

Does that explain what the problem _is_?

Sascha
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Message no. 10
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:30:01 +0000
On 2 Apr 97 at 15:20, Sascha Pabst wrote:

> Although personally I enjoy most OT-mail, I can feel for anyone who
> doesn't and _still_ has to pay for it.
>
> Does that explain what the problem _is_?

Absolutely, as I have been reminded several times. I always forget
about the fact that many of you pay to download your mail. Sorry.

Hey, I'm cranky. I've got the flu. On a good day, this probably
wouldn't have even raised an eyebrow on my part.

So sorry everyone. I will do my part.



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Message no. 11
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 19:38:45 +0000
On 2 Apr 97 at 19:39, MARTIN E. GOTTHARD wrote:
[snip]
> > Mark is in control, and he's putting his foot down.

> Yah, it's up to him I guess. Sieg Heil and all that. *grin*
Watch it. This is not funny.

Sascha
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Message no. 12
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowrn@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:29:49 +0100
In message <199704020147.BAA45180@****.ibm.net>, Drekhead
<drekhead@***.NET> writes
>On 1 Apr 97 at 21:31, Paul J. Adam wrote:
>> Because some of us still have to download it before we can filter
>> it, SMTP being what it is.
>>
>I do not want to piss anyone off about this, just don't understand
>what the big deal is. I certainly don't want see people jump ship
>over it, especially someone whose posts are always interesting like
>yours, Paul. I have learned a lot from you, BTW. Thanks.

Problem is I have to pay for the 'phone call to download seventy to a
hundred e-mails, then throw half of them away. Not all nations get free
local-rate calls.

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Message no. 13
From: Ray & Tamara <macey@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:30:46 +1000
> Problem: about 200 DM phone bill. Those of us who do not live in the
> states have to pay for local calls (like, to our ISP) too. I know, this
> may be a novel concept for some of you, but _I_ pay for off-topic
> posts.

Free local calls? Oh, what I would give for that. The OT stuff doesn't
really concern me though, as it only cost 25 cents for the call, however
long it takes to download it all.

Ray
Message no. 14
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:23:40 +1000
> > > Mark is in control, and he's putting his foot down.
> >
> > Yah, it's up to him I guess. Sieg Heil and all that. *grin*
>
> Watch it. This is not funny.
>

Apologies for offending. I'm half German, and am applying for a German
passport, so I guess *I* should have a bit of leeway to joke about it.

Bleach
Message no. 15
From: Dvixen <dvixen@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 21:15:19 -0800
> > > > Mark is in control, and he's putting his foot down.
> > >
> > > Yah, it's up to him I guess. Sieg Heil and all that. *grin*
> >
> > Watch it. This is not funny.
>
> Apologies for offending. I'm half German, and am applying for a German
> passport, so I guess *I* should have a bit of leeway to joke about it.

You claim right to make a joke like that? I find that type of remark
*highly* upsetting. (For reasons I will not go into, this is a Shadowrun
list, after all.)

-Dvixen
Message no. 16
From: Mark McLaughlin <mmclaugh@*******.EENG.DCU.IE>
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:34:49 -0800
Ray & Tamara wrote:
>
> > Problem: about 200 DM phone bill. Those of us who do not live in the
> > states have to pay for local calls (like, to our ISP) too. I know, this
> > may be a novel concept for some of you, but _I_ pay for off-topic
> > posts.
>
> Free local calls? Oh, what I would give for that. The OT stuff doesn't
> really concern me though, as it only cost 25 cents for the call, however
> long it takes to download it all.
>
> Ray

It it werent for me being at college I would`nt even know what netscape
was!!
(ie. no cash for computer, internet, or phone bills!)

Mark.
Message no. 17
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:41:44 +0000
On 3 Apr 97 at 12:23, MARTIN E. GOTTHARD wrote:
[snip bad "joke"]
> Apologies for offending. I'm half German, and am applying for a German
> passport, so I guess *I* should have a bit of leeway to joke about it.
I am full German, have a German passport, and think this as a reason
_not_ to joke about it. There are too many people out there yelling
that already, no need to add so-called jokes. Hey, I will not even joke
about Austrians making that comment...


Sascha
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Message no. 18
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 18:53:25 +0100
|
|> > > > Mark is in control, and he's putting his foot down.
|> > >
|> > > Yah, it's up to him I guess. Sieg Heil and all that. *grin*
|> >
|> > Watch it. This is not funny.
|>
|> Apologies for offending. I'm half German, and am applying for a German
|> passport, so I guess *I* should have a bit of leeway to joke about it.
|
|You claim right to make a joke like that? I find that type of remark
|*highly* upsetting. (For reasons I will not go into, this is a Shadowrun
|list, after all.)

Besides which, the Germans have no right to make jokes like that.
In fact, IIRC, it's illegal in Germany to support or make light of the war
like that....

I think.....
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Message no. 19
From: Craig J Wilhelm <nyccraig@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:21:03 EST
On Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:30:46 +1000 Ray & Tamara <macey@*******.COM.AU>
writes:
>> Problem: about 200 DM phone bill. Those of us who do not live in the
>> states have to pay for local calls (like, to our ISP) too. I know,
>this
>> may be a novel concept for some of you, but _I_ pay for off-topic
>> posts.
>
>Free local calls? Oh, what I would give for that. The OT stuff
>doesn't
>really concern me though, as it only cost 25 cents for the call,
>however long it takes to download it all.

25 cents? Where do you live? Here (New York) it costs 10.6 cents.

Craig Wilhelm

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Message no. 20
From: Craig J Wilhelm <nyccraig@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:17:46 EST
>|
>|> > > > Mark is in control, and he's putting his foot down.
>|> > >
>|> > > Yah, it's up to him I guess. Sieg Heil and all that. *grin*
>|> >
>|> > Watch it. This is not funny.
>|>
>|> Apologies for offending. I'm half German, and am applying for a
>German
>|> passport, so I guess *I* should have a bit of leeway to joke about
>it.
>|
>|You claim right to make a joke like that? I find that type of remark
>|*highly* upsetting. (For reasons I will not go into, this is a
>Shadowrun
>|list, after all.)
>
>Besides which, the Germans have no right to make jokes like that.
>In fact, IIRC, it's illegal in Germany to support or make light of the
>war like that....
>I think.....

Okay, I _really_ think it's time this thread left the list.
This is NOT the place for it.
Take it to personal E-Mail _please_.

Thank you.
Craig Wilhelm.

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Message no. 21
From: Michael Broadwater <mbroadwa@*******.GLENAYRE.COM>
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:07:38 -0600
At 03:21 PM 4/3/97 EST, Craig J Wilhelm wrote:
>On Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:30:46 +1000 Ray & Tamara <macey@*******.COM.AU>
>writes:
>
>>Free local calls? Oh, what I would give for that. The OT stuff
>>doesn't
>>really concern me though, as it only cost 25 cents for the call,
>>however long it takes to download it all.
>
>25 cents? Where do you live? Here (New York) it costs 10.6 cents.

Well, looking at the e-mail adress...I would have to say, Australia. Might
want to learn those domains. Then again, since InterNIC is releasing new
ones, why bother?


Mike Broadwater

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them much myself.
They're pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings."
Message no. 22
From: Ray & Tamara <macey@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:43:33 +1000
> 25 cents? Where do you live? Here (New York) it costs 10.6 cents.
>
> Craig Wilhelm

Brisbane, Australia. They are even thinking of bringing in timed local
calls for data type calls (ie downloading mail and the like.)

Ray
Message no. 23
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 21:07:18 +0100
Ray & Tamara said on 11:43/ 4 Apr 97...

> Brisbane, Australia. They are even thinking of bringing in timed local
> calls for data type calls (ie downloading mail and the like.)

Reminds me of the time the phone company here had the brilliant plan to
charge for calls that weren't answered -- the reasoning was that you use
the phone line even if the person on the other side doesn't actually pick
up the phone.
BBS users reacted very badly to it, and the plan was that everybody should
call up all the phone company's own free information numbers with their
modems for 24 hours. Whether that was actually done or not I don't know,
but the idea was (luckily) shelved.

To get this back to SR: how much _would_ legal matrix use cost in 2058
anyway? A per-minute charge, or maybe just a connection fee?

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Message no. 24
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 00:40:14 +0100
In article <199704041905.VAA25214@**********.xs4all.nl>, Gurth
<gurth@******.NL> writes
>
>To get this back to SR: how much _would_ legal matrix use cost in 2058
>anyway? A per-minute charge, or maybe just a connection fee?

Knowing what the Americans are like, probably just a connection fee,
they don't seem to like the idea of actually paying for their calls <g>
For Europe and the UK, why change the system. Free access to the matrix
after connection fee, but per minute charges for the use of a line to
connect, unless you can find a more direct jack point or use someone
elses line to do it. I can't see the UK changing that much, British
Telecom have a strangelhold here anyway, and they're not going to
surrender that easily, regardless of what providers come into the
country.

Actually thinking about it, how does one connect to the matrix anyway?
You jack in to a point, and hey presto, RTG/LTG later the matrix, but
what about landline phones, cellphones, they can't access the matrix
directly, they use a telecom grid, right? Surely not every single
coffin motel and roach trap has a direct link to the matrix? And would
that require generalised access providers like we have today for the
Internet? Hmm, that's given me an idea to screw about with in my game
<snigger>

So, does that mean a decker uses the telecom grid from remote points to
access the matrix, or that they must rely on points where direct access
is assured.


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Message no. 25
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 11:57:52 +0100
Avenger said on 0:40/ 5 Apr 97...

> Actually thinking about it, how does one connect to the matrix anyway?
> You jack in to a point, and hey presto, RTG/LTG later the matrix, but
> what about landline phones, cellphones, they can't access the matrix
> directly, they use a telecom grid, right? Surely not every single
> coffin motel and roach trap has a direct link to the matrix? And would
> that require generalised access providers like we have today for the
> Internet? Hmm, that's given me an idea to screw about with in my game
> <snigger>

I think what happens is that the telecom grid discovers it has a cyberdeck
on the line, and instantly switches the deck through to the relevant
LTG or RTG, making it appear to the decker as if he/she entered the matrix
itself instead of going through the telecom system first.

OTOH, the Jackpoints section o VR 2.0 (pages 28 and 29) says legal
and illegal access points are tridphones. I think I might revise that
slightly and call those "matrix access points" or something, that are
specifically designed to handle cyberdecks and their signals (sort of like
a true internet connection as opposed to dialing into a provider through
the phone line), while decking through a phone line gets a lower bandwidth
Maybe like this:

PHONE LINE
Trace Factor: -1
Access: +1
Base bandwidth: 15
An access point, either legal or illegal, created by jacking a cyberdeck
into a tridphone. It is easier to trace because the phone company computer
knows where the call is coming from, and because of the extra routing
(through the telecom line) access is more difficult and bandwidth is
lower.

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Message no. 26
From: Tim P Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Off topic discussions...)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 03:24:51 EDT
On Sun, 6 Apr 1997 17:22:24 +0000 Shane Courtrille writes:
>> preprogramed generic persona and the equivalent of a disk drive for
>> anything you want to up/download... or maybe they already exist and
I'm
>
>I wonder.. if your cafe existed.. maybe they would keep copys of
>everything you download for themselves? just incase....

Yeah, to screw with all the wannabe "deckers" who aren't smart enough to
discover and bypass the copy routine....

~Tim("WHAT!?!...Where'd you get that!?!?...five THOUSAND!!...What was
that account number again?")

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