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From:	"Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject:	Ogres
Date:	Wed, 14 Jul 1993 15:31:47 -0500

Message no. 1 On Wed, 14 Jul 1993, Jason Carter, Nightstalker wrote:

> Ogres would be slightly stronger than orks, but probably a little dumber.
> How about
> Maximum Bonus
> Ork Orge Ork Orge
> Body 9 9 +3 +3
> Quickness 6 5 -1
> Strength 8 10 +2 +3
> Charisma 5 5 -1 -1
> Intelligence 5 5 -1 -1
> Willpower 6 5
> Reaction 5 5

Hmm, I've alway read Ogres as almost a type of 'giant'. Very strong,
almost lumbering. Dumb as a rock.

(a little AD&D commentary just cuz I remembered it and found it amusing)
Years ago I was playing an Ogre Barbarian (1st ed, to boot).

Gog (to GM): Is this food?
GM: You're hold a rock!
Gog: Can I eat it?
GM: Er . . . no.
Gog: Then I toss it over my shoulder and go find something I CAN eat.

(end commentary)

Anyways, I guess I see them as nothing more than the brick wall between
you and the guy with the gun.

Hmm......

Police (to Ogre): What happened?
Ogre: He shot me with that machine pistol.
Police: Oh, do you want to press charges?
Ogre: Yes, charge him for assault with intent to annoy!

> Ogre's would have Low-Light vision.

Agreed.

> Now about gnomes.....

God I could have fun with these.

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From:	Richard Pieri <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Ogres
Date:	Wed, 14 Jul 1993 16:58:01 EDT

Message no. 2 No, no, NO!

This is what an OGRE should look like:

Handling: 4
Speed: 80 kph
Armor/Body: 25/10
Signature: yaright :-)
Pilot: 10 (integral, no human controller)
Seating: None
Economy: NA
Fuel: Nuclear Fusion Reactor

Armaments vary, but several large cannon (25+D), small cannon (20+D),
machine guns, and guided rockets are standard. A number of OGRE variants
exist, primarily using a different variety of weapons.

[With apologies to Steve Jackson Games :-]

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From:	"Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Ogres
Date:	Wed, 14 Jul 1993 16:06:11 -0500

Message no. 3 Ouch! That's painful.

I love it.

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From:	"Jason Carter, Nightstalker" <CARTER@***.EDU>
Subject:	Ogres
Date:	Wed, 14 Jul 1993 14:41:34 -0700

Message no. 4 My Ogre stats got messed up because I couldn't decide what I wanted. This
should look a little better and makes them dumber then the last set.

Maximum Bonus
Ork Orge Ork Orge
Body 9 9 +3 +3
Quickness 6 5
Strength 8 10 +2 +4
Charisma 5 5 -1 -1
Intelligence 5 4 -1 -2
Willpower 6 5 -1
Reaction 5 5

This makes them as socially and intellectually as inept and as strong as trolls,
but faster and less resistance to damage.

SSR: Thank you for the "real" Orge :)

I'm not touching Gnomes, but they avoid the need for halflings.

See Ya in Shadows,
Jason J Carter
The Nightstalker

From:	Manny Suarez <aa2498@*******.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Ogres
Date:	Mon, 19 Jul 1993 02:26:55 -0400

Message no. 5 as was said before:
>
>My Ogre stats got messed up because I couldn't decide what I wanted. This
>should look a little better and makes them dumber then the last set.
>
> Maximum Bonus
> Ork Orge Ork Orge
> Body 9 9 +3 +3
> Quickness 6 5
> Strength 8 10 +2 +4
> Charisma 5 5 -1 -1
> Intelligence 5 4 -1 -2
> Willpower 6 5 -1
> Reaction 5 5
>
>This makes them as socially and intellectually as inept and as strong as trolls,
>but faster and less resistance to damage.
>

i would lower the intelligence to about 2 or 3 and raise the body slightly.
otherwise... looks good

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