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Message no. 1
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:55:07 +0100
From: NightLife <habenir@*****.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed "Re: Fetishes..."
In-Reply-To: <199804010133.SAA15040@******.primenet.com>

Glad to have you back Caric. Remind me that we have to bug Kenson about
having cameos in SR3 for using us. Now all we need is a good throretical
genetics argument with Pete and life will be complete.

Heh. Sorry this is a bit old Nightlife, I've been busy. :) I still say
that the frogs would win out though. <grin> ;-P

Anyway, ignoring the possibility of genetic mutation and alteration
utilising genetic matter from ancient critters (It is now believed that
they can make new Tasmanian Tigers from the dead body of a puppy they've
got... Dinosaurs are next) but I digress.

++++

Here's an argument I started somewhere else. And I'm interested in the
lists opinion - from a theoretical sense anyway.

A short while back, an asteroid passed between the earth and the moon.
It wasn't noticed until it began it's journey "away" from us. The
asteroid was sufficiently large that had it struck the earth, it would
have caused devastation on a scale we can barely imagine. A situation
would have arisen that would have obliterated life from a considerable
portion of the planet, a "nuclear" winter would also have resulted.

Now. According to common belief amongst scientists, Mars was destroyed
by a massive impact from a comet/asteroid that ripped off the 3km thick
crust from a large portion of the planet and stripped away the
atmosphere (there is now an argument brewing as to when it happened -
some say it was in the days of dinosaurs, a new group are convinced it
happened as little as 14,000 years ago).


We are, according to the majority of respected astronomers and astro
chappies, 20,000 years into the next cycle of asteroid bombardment. (If
you want details please ask privately, not on the list. That part of
the conversation is already generating 60K posts).

Now. Ignoring for a moment the scientific facts and counter claims of
this. We /have/ been hit by large extraterrestrial objects in the past.
Gulf of Mexico, Nevada, Europe, Siberia, Russia, South Africa all show
evidence of impacts. NASA knows there is an asteroid out there with our
name on it and it's coming, they freely admit it. The government knows
that it's out there. The scientists know it's out there.

They know it's coming, and they also know we stand little chance of
spotting it.

Now comes the question.

2058 Shadowrun tech levels. Pretty impressive in some ways, incredibly
regressive in others.

If the threat of asteroid impact and extermination of life is taken
seriously, and the various organisations involved with Space certainly
seem to be taking it seriously. What, if any, precautions and
countermeasures would be in place by 2059/60?

Who would own them (aside from the all-encompassing and /boring/ ARES!).

What other uses could these units be put to? What are the chances of
terrorists taking over such units and what use would they be put to? If
Reagan had a dream of orbital weapons platforms, and the relevant
defence companies began researching that with "hidden" funding - what
could be done?

Rail guns exist, they're just not very good at the moment, Land based
lasers exist. A flying laser platform exists in the form of an
experimental 747, other strange and wonderful toys already exist. Then
there is the rash of "disaster" movies from the last couple of years
centred around asteroid impact...

>Which way to Gurth's stairs?

Gurth's stairs are open plan - thanks to Bull moving a sofa in there.
But mine have a new armoured door protecting the understairs cubby.

And I'm already in it.

I'm working on air filtration units after a complaint and smelly
thwapping of a visitor yesterday. :) (Thanks Gurth, the house stinks of
carp now.)


--
Avenger
http://www.shalako.demon.co.uk/index.htm
(Newbies Survival Guide to Stk & SR stuff)
http://www.freespace.virgin.net/p.siems/index.htm
(UK Survival Guide, SR Guide to the Oceans.)
Message no. 2
From: KzDruid <quicksilver82@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:01:22 -0400
At 12:55 PM 6/30/98 +0100, you wrote:
>From: NightLife <habenir@*****.UC.EDU>
>Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed "Re: Fetishes..."
>In-Reply-To: <199804010133.SAA15040@******.primenet.com>
>
>Glad to have you back Caric. Remind me that we have to bug Kenson about
>having cameos in SR3 for using us. Now all we need is a good throretical
>genetics argument with Pete and life will be complete.
>
>Heh. Sorry this is a bit old Nightlife, I've been busy. :) I still say
>that the frogs would win out though. <grin> ;-P
>
>Anyway, ignoring the possibility of genetic mutation and alteration
>utilising genetic matter from ancient critters (It is now believed that
>they can make new Tasmanian Tigers from the dead body of a puppy they've
>got... Dinosaurs are next) but I digress.
>
>++++
>
>Here's an argument I started somewhere else. And I'm interested in the
>lists opinion - from a theoretical sense anyway.
>
>A short while back, an asteroid passed between the earth and the moon.
>It wasn't noticed until it began it's journey "away" from us. The
>asteroid was sufficiently large that had it struck the earth, it would
>have caused devastation on a scale we can barely imagine. A situation
>would have arisen that would have obliterated life from a considerable
>portion of the planet, a "nuclear" winter would also have resulted.
>
>Now. According to common belief amongst scientists, Mars was destroyed
>by a massive impact from a comet/asteroid that ripped off the 3km thick
>crust from a large portion of the planet and stripped away the
>atmosphere (there is now an argument brewing as to when it happened -
>some say it was in the days of dinosaurs, a new group are convinced it
>happened as little as 14,000 years ago).
>
<snip stuff about astronomers>
>
<snip stuff about places have been hit>
>
>They know it's coming, and they also know we stand little chance of
>spotting it.
>
>Now comes the question.
>
>2058 Shadowrun tech levels. Pretty impressive in some ways, incredibly
>regressive in others.
>
>If the threat of asteroid impact and extermination of life is taken
>seriously, and the various organisations involved with Space certainly
>seem to be taking it seriously. What, if any, precautions and
>countermeasures would be in place by 2059/60?
>
>Who would own them (aside from the all-encompassing and /boring/ ARES!).
>
>What other uses could these units be put to? What are the chances of
>terrorists taking over such units and what use would they be put to? If
>Reagan had a dream of orbital weapons platforms, and the relevant
>defence companies began researching that with "hidden" funding - what
>could be done?
>
>Rail guns exist, they're just not very good at the moment, Land based
>lasers exist. A flying laser platform exists in the form of an
>experimental 747, other strange and wonderful toys already exist. Then
>there is the rash of "disaster" movies from the last couple of years
>centred around asteroid impact...
><snip>
>--
>Avenger
<snip sig>

Kay, well, we all know about Thor shot i assume, (if not ask me privately
i'll explain as best as i can). But those are orbital weapons platforms,
given they couldn't destroy a meteorite untill it was in the atmosphere or
already impacted assuming they could at all, and thus be little use, but
i'd say that using that as a spring board, that they would be some orbital
weapons platforms (i'm geussing ares lasers and such off the top of my
head) as theres never been any thing published on the matter and i've never
heard of anythining about the subject besides thor shot its all speculation.

But theres also the problem with small space debris ripping satalites to
shreds, this summer in fact or next, theres supposed to be a tremedous
amount of small dust and space garbage coming into orbit IIRC and some
scientists are wondering what this is going to do to all the delicate
equpiment on board those thousands of satalites up there, just imagine tons
of small pebble to small rock sized debris hualing ass at a satilite with
nothing in its way, i mean, these weren't designed to withstand a
bombardment like that even if it is small. What do you think precautions
are against that?
----------------------------------------
KzDruid
quicksilver82@*********.com
----------------------------------------
Message no. 3
From: NightLife <habenir@*****.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:59:16 -0400
>Heh. Sorry this is a bit old Nightlife, I've been busy. :) I still say
>that the frogs would win out though. <grin> ;-P

Why I outta. ;)

>Anyway, ignoring the possibility of genetic mutation and alteration
>utilising genetic matter from ancient critters (It is now believed that
>they can make new Tasmanian Tigers from the dead body of a puppy they've
>got... Dinosaurs are next) but I digress.

Don't make me go there.

>Now comes the question.
>
>2058 Shadowrun tech levels. Pretty impressive in some ways, incredibly
>regressive in others.
>
>If the threat of asteroid impact and extermination of life is taken
>seriously, and the various organisations involved with Space certainly
>seem to be taking it seriously. What, if any, precautions and
>countermeasures would be in place by 2059/60?

Mass driver for one, the thor guns would be another bet. What every nuclear
strike capability Z-Ortibal might possess.

>Who would own them (aside from the all-encompassing and /boring/ ARES!).

Cross Technologies, Rockwell, Boeing off the top of my head.

>What other uses could these units be put to?

Hmm the mass drivers could be used for hasdarous disposal in space, a one
way trip to the sun baby. Thor shots are something else entirely but
stopping rogue ballistics come to mind.

> What are the chances of
>terrorists taking over such units and what use would they be put to?

Pretty small considering the specialized equipment need to make to space
and surive there.

> If Reagan had a dream of orbital weapons platforms, and the relevant

>defence companies began researching that with "hidden" funding - what
>could be done?

Maybe a particle beam or a neutrino blaster. But I'm guessing at this point.

>Rail guns exist, they're just not very good at the moment, Land based
>lasers exist. A flying laser platform exists in the form of an
>experimental 747, other strange and wonderful toys already exist. Then
>there is the rash of "disaster" movies from the last couple of years
>centred around asteroid impact...
>
>>Which way to Gurth's stairs?

Second door on the left past the bins of carp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nightlife Inc.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

"I am telling you nothing - merely asking you to remember that death come in
many shades. Some are harsh and infinitely painful to look upon; others can
be
as peaceful and beautiful as the setting sun. I am an artist, and many colors
lie on upon my palette. Let me paint him a rainbow, and give you the means to
decide where it ends."

Erik from the book Phantom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Message no. 4
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:33:14 +0100
In article <199807010301.XAA24752@*****.uc.edu>, NightLife
<habenir@*****.UC.EDU> writes
>>Heh. Sorry this is a bit old Nightlife, I've been busy. :) I still say
>>that the frogs would win out though. <grin> ;-P
>
>Why I outta. ;)

Yeah?
You think?
<plbtplbtplbtplbt>

>>Anyway, ignoring the possibility of genetic mutation and alteration
>>utilising genetic matter from ancient critters (It is now believed that
>>they can make new Tasmanian Tigers from the dead body of a puppy they've
>>got... Dinosaurs are next) but I digress.
>
>Don't make me go there.

You started it. A while back, but you started it. :)

>>Now comes the question.
>>
>>2058 Shadowrun tech levels. Pretty impressive in some ways, incredibly
>>regressive in others.
>>If the threat of asteroid impact and extermination of life is taken
>>seriously, and the various organisations involved with Space certainly
>>seem to be taking it seriously. What, if any, precautions and
>>countermeasures would be in place by 2059/60?
>
>Mass driver for one,

Mass drivers. Now that's an interesting thought. Select large object,
hurl in general direction. Hell, what a /great/ way to get rid of
people you don't like.

I think I'll give SK a mass driver on their roof - specifically for
turning people into something Lofwyr can spread on his toast. :)


>the thor guns would be another bet. What every nuclear
>strike capability Z-Ortibal might possess.

Heh. ZO with nuclear capability, what a scary thought. The people with
/all/ the money, AND the big red button marked "bye bye". :)

do de do do, do de do do. :)

You have entered a dimension of sight and sound....

>>Who would own them (aside from the all-encompassing and /boring/ ARES!).
>
>Cross Technologies, Rockwell, Boeing off the top of my head.

Rockwell, there's one I didn't think of. Boeing I went for, but who are
Cross?

>>What other uses could these units be put to?
>
>Hmm the mass drivers could be used for hasdarous disposal in space,
^^^^^^^^^
Welcome to the spelling zone, where nothing can go worngh :)

Disposal of hazardous material, hmm, you mean like Immortal Elves.
<grin>
<runs and hides>

Interesting concept though. I seem to recall somebody coming up with
that on another list, and they were flamed out of existence, the
reasoning being that it's too expensive to ship waste up into space,
even if that is the best place for it.

Somebody actually had the nerve to state that it wasn't fair on space to
clutter and poison it like we had the earth. Yeah, right, they haven't
seen the NASA plot map for the orbital debris above 1cm square that's up
there already. "Is earth really in the middle of /all/ that crap?
Where? I can't see it" :)

When NASA talk about a launch window, they don't mean fine weather, they
mean a gap in the garbage. :)

>a one
>way trip to the sun baby.

No, you can't do that... It would make our sun toxic. A couple hundred
years of MacDonald burger wrappers and the intergalactic waste disposal
teams would turn up and sweep /us/ into the trashcan. :)

>Thor shots are something else entirely but
>stopping rogue ballistics come to mind.

Not much chance of that, unless the Russian Mafia have got hold of
whatever the USSR left lying around, and decided to do away with their
Corsican cousins. :) Although I suppose Native American radicals could
try another launch just to see if the first one was a fluke.

>> What are the chances of
>>terrorists taking over such units and what use would they be put to?
>
>Pretty small considering the specialized equipment need to make to space
>and surive there.

Not making space, too damned expensive, but using a system along the
lines of a control platform and software from earth. Say to threaten an
orbital, or hold a country to ransom. For example, Under Siege 2.

>> If Reagan had a dream of orbital weapons platforms, and the relevant
>>defence companies began researching that with "hidden" funding - what
>>could be done?
>
>Maybe a particle beam or a neutrino blaster. But I'm guessing at this point.

Neutrino blaster? Huh? Particle Beam I understand, but neutrinos?


--
Avenger
http://www.shalako.demon.co.uk/index.htm
(Newbies Survival Guide to Stk & SR stuff)
http://www.freespace.virgin.net/p.siems/index.htm
(UK Survival Guide, SR Guide to the Oceans.)
Message no. 5
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 23:50:36 -0500
On Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:33:14 +0100 Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
writes:
>In article <199807010301.XAA24752@*****.uc.edu>, NightLife
><habenir@*****.UC.EDU> writes
<SNIP>
>>>Who would own them (aside from the all-encompassing and /boring/
ARES!).

>>Cross Technologies, Rockwell, Boeing off the top of my head.

>Rockwell, there's one I didn't think of. Boeing I went for, but who are
>Cross?

Wasn't it speculated that Damien Knight (CEO of Ares) is actually Lucient
Cross. And doesn't/didn't Lucient Cross own Cross Tech? I know I'm
right about the first part but I can't recall where it's from ... I may
be hallucinating about the second part [gotta stop doing that ... ;])

<SNIP>
>--
>Avenger
<SNIP Sig>

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
"Let he who is without SIN cast the first stone"

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Message no. 6
From: NightLife <habenir@*****.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:00:47 -0400
>>Why I outta. ;)
>
>Yeah?
>You think?
><plbtplbtplbtplbt>

Don't make me open a can of whupass. ;)

>>>Anyway, ignoring the possibility of genetic mutation and alteration
>>>utilising genetic matter from ancient critters (It is now believed that
>>>they can make new Tasmanian Tigers from the dead body of a puppy they've
>>>got... Dinosaurs are next) but I digress.
>>
>>Don't make me go there.
>
>You started it. A while back, but you started it. :)

No I think it was a flakey grasp of genetech that started it. ;)

>>>2058 Shadowrun tech levels. Pretty impressive in some ways, incredibly
>>>regressive in others.
>>>If the threat of asteroid impact and extermination of life is taken
>>>seriously, and the various organisations involved with Space certainly
>>>seem to be taking it seriously. What, if any, precautions and
>>>countermeasures would be in place by 2059/60?
>>

>>Mass driver for one,
>
>Mass drivers. Now that's an interesting thought. Select large object,
>hurl in general direction. Hell, what a /great/ way to get rid of
>people you don't like.


>I think I'll give SK a mass driver on their roof - specifically for
>turning people into something Lofwyr can spread on his toast. :)

What about that vegamite stuff the Euro's were going on about.
>
>
>>the thor guns would be another bet. What every nuclear
>>strike capability Z-Ortibal might possess.
>
>Heh. ZO with nuclear capability, what a scary thought. The people with
>/all/ the money, AND the big red button marked "bye bye". :)
>
>do de do do, do de do do. :)
>
>You have entered a dimension of sight and sound....

Been there done that got the real estate for cheap.

>>>Who would own them (aside from the all-encompassing and /boring/ ARES!).
>>
>>Cross Technologies, Rockwell, Boeing off the top of my head.
>
>Rockwell, there's one I didn't think of. Boeing I went for, but who are
>Cross?

The corp Lenoard Aurelieus (sp?) went to get away from Knight.

>Disposal of hazardous material, hmm, you mean like Immortal Elves.
><grin>
><runs and hides>

Like the Tolkienists would allow the heat of a sun to hurt them.

>Interesting concept though. I seem to recall somebody coming up with
>that on another list, and they were flamed out of existence, the
>reasoning being that it's too expensive to ship waste up into space,
>even if that is the best place for it.

Think that would depend on just how toxic something is.

>Somebody actually had the nerve to state that it wasn't fair on space to
>clutter and poison it like we had the earth. Yeah, right, they haven't
>seen the NASA plot map for the orbital debris above 1cm square that's up
>there already. "Is earth really in the middle of /all/ that crap?
>Where? I can't see it" :)

Ok.

>When NASA talk about a launch window, they don't mean fine weather, they
>mean a gap in the garbage. :)
>
>>a one
>>way trip to the sun baby.
>
>No, you can't do that... It would make our sun toxic. A couple hundred
>years of MacDonald burger wrappers and the intergalactic waste disposal

>teams would turn up and sweep /us/ into the trashcan. :)

Hey according to some we're already there.

>>Thor shots are something else entirely but
>>stopping rogue ballistics come to mind.
>
>Not much chance of that, unless the Russian Mafia have got hold of
>whatever the USSR left lying around, and decided to do away with their
>Corsican cousins. :) Although I suppose Native American radicals could
>try another launch just to see if the first one was a fluke.

Actually I was thinking of semi-ballistics.

>>> What are the chances of
>>>terrorists taking over such units and what use would they be put to?
>>
>>Pretty small considering the specialized equipment need to make to space
>>and surive there.
>
>Not making space, too damned expensive, but using a system along the
>lines of a control platform and software from earth. Say to threaten an
>orbital, or hold a country to ransom. For example, Under Siege 2.

No not a Seagal reference!!! But seriously I don't know.


>>Maybe a particle beam or a neutrino blaster. But I'm guessing at this point.
>
>Neutrino blaster? Huh? Particle Beam I understand, but neutrinos?

Neutrinos are particles of energy that pass through everything all the
time. If one were to focus them in theory no shielding could stop the bean
produced and would be a dread weapon indeed.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nightlife Inc.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

"I am telling you nothing - merely asking you to remember that death come in
many shades. Some are harsh and infinitely painful to look upon; others can
be
as peaceful and beautiful as the setting sun. I am an artist, and many colors
lie on upon my palette. Let me paint him a rainbow, and give you the means to
decide where it ends."

Erik from the book Phantom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Document Classified
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Message no. 7
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 02:12:50 EDT
In a message dated 6/30/98 10:01:08 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
habenir@*****.UC.EDU writes:

> >2058 Shadowrun tech levels. Pretty impressive in some ways, incredibly
> >regressive in others.

Yes on both accounts.

> >If the threat of asteroid impact and extermination of life is taken
> >seriously, and the various organisations involved with Space certainly
> >seem to be taking it seriously. What, if any, precautions and
> >countermeasures would be in place by 2059/60?
>
> Mass driver for one, the thor guns would be another bet. What every nuclear
> strike capability Z-Ortibal might possess.

Okay, time for a reminder. "Thor" strikes are not an option for an inbound
from space threat. Thor Strikes use relatively unpowered "hammers" with a
guidance device that are just "dropped" from orbit and allowed to slam into
the planet below (preferably at a given target).

Mass Driver's is one that would be interesting though, especially if you
consider the Mass-to-Mass ratios that would be needed to knock a -large (not
necessary E.L.E.) asteroid- form a collision course.

> >Who would own them (aside from the all-encompassing and /boring/ ARES!).
> Cross Technologies, Rockwell, Boeing off the top of my head.

Saeder-Krupp and Shiawase are the two that leap to my mind after Ares.

> >What other uses could these units be put to?
> Hmm the mass drivers could be used for hasdarous disposal in space, a one
> way trip to the sun baby. Thor shots are something else entirely but
> stopping rogue ballistics come to mind.

Yeah, a Thor could work well with some rogue ballistics, BUT it would require
some hefty mathematics and an early enough warning system.

> > What are the chances of
> >terrorists taking over such units and what use would they be put to?
> Pretty small considering the specialized equipment need to make to space
> and surive there.

Ah, but define "Terrorist" in the SR Universe. If you are discussing forces
like "Winternight" or "the Human Nation", then I would say it is
easily
doable. AND it is something that Mike is planning on doing to us somewhere
down the road.

> > If Reagan had a dream of orbital weapons platforms, and the relevant
> >defence companies began researching that with "hidden" funding - what
> >could be done?
> Maybe a particle beam or a neutrino blaster. But I'm guessing at this
point.

Actually, those Chem-Reaction based lasers were -REALLY- fragging impressive
and could have the range to go from LEO to the ground below. What level of
energy dissipation would occur at that level is anybody else's guess.

> >Rail guns exist, they're just not very good at the moment, Land based
> >lasers exist. A flying laser platform exists in the form of an
> >experimental 747, other strange and wonderful toys already exist. Then
> >there is the rash of "disaster" movies from the last couple of years
> >centred around asteroid impact...

Ah, and those "disaster" movies are getting more and more theatrical in their
relevance and reflective reality. I think I am going to like the action of
Armageddon over Deep Impact, but I think that Deep Impact is FAR more
realistic than Armageddon is gonna be (will find out in the next two days at
most).

I would like to point out that in SR's universe, there are an entire new
category of weaponry that could be accessed. We (Mike and I) are working on
the rules for Bloats, Strats, and Clouders...really big LTA craft that utilize
the "Bloat" technology that is mentioned briefly in the Shadowtech book.
We've had it for years, and after a conversation with Jon back in January, we
think that "Solar Power" is about to be really rediscovered.

Imagine if you will a "Naval Class" vessel that has a surface area like a
Zeppelin (or bigger) and is floating around above the clouds. Now make that
"SunCell". Okay folks, now how much PF can be cranked out by such a thing
using the really impressive SR solar collection technology??? Combine that
with an ANDREWS or Firelance level technology, and you have some -truly-
killer stuff.

IOGames, Aztlan and the CAS use tech like this to patrol their shared border.
Yep, that is gonna be fun....

-K
Message no. 8
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 02:20:22 EDT
In a message dated 6/30/98 11:55:28 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
dghost@****.COM writes:

> Wasn't it speculated that Damien Knight (CEO of Ares) is actually Lucient
> Cross. And doesn't/didn't Lucient Cross own Cross Tech? I know I'm
> right about the first part but I can't recall where it's from ... I may
> be hallucinating about the second part [gotta stop doing that ... ;])
>
No D. Ghost, you are hallucinating across the board...

Damien Knight was Major David Gavillian (sp?), and Lucien Cross (no "T") was
the guy that helped him pull of the "Nano-Second Buyout" that helped get
Damien control of Ares way back when.

-K
Message no. 9
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 02:21:27 -0500
On Wed, 1 Jul 1998 02:20:22 EDT K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
writes:
>In a message dated 6/30/98 11:55:28 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
>dghost@****.COM writes:
>> Wasn't it speculated that Damien Knight (CEO of Ares) is actually
Lucient
>> Cross. And doesn't/didn't Lucient Cross own Cross Tech? I know I'm
>> right about the first part but I can't recall where it's from ... I
may
>> be hallucinating about the second part [gotta stop doing that ... ;])

>No D. Ghost, you are hallucinating across the board...

Ooops ... gotta stop doing that ... ;)

>Damien Knight was Major David Gavillian (sp?), and Lucien Cross (no "T")
was
>the guy that helped him pull of the "Nano-Second Buyout" that helped get
>Damien control of Ares way back when.
>
>-K

Ok then, here's something that kinda disturbed me: in Target: UCAS, there
is a pic next to the bit about DK on page 60 ... If that is supposed to
be D.Knight, he resembles Ares from the Hercules/Xena shows ... and what
they say about him is kinda disturbing too ... no obvious cyber, hasn't
visibly aged since he appeared in the Media ... I'm not saying that FASA
put a Greek God in charge of one of the big 8 but, if ya want some crazy
conspiracy stories to toss into your game ...

D.Ghost
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Message no. 10
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:19:17 EDT
In a message dated 7/1/98 2:24:18 AM US Eastern Standard Time, dghost@****.COM
writes:

> Ok then, here's something that kinda disturbed me: in Target: UCAS, there
> is a pic next to the bit about DK on page 60 ... If that is supposed to
> be D.Knight, he resembles Ares from the Hercules/Xena shows ... and what
> they say about him is kinda disturbing too ... no obvious cyber, hasn't
> visibly aged since he appeared in the Media ... I'm not saying that FASA
> put a Greek God in charge of one of the big 8 but, if ya want some crazy
> conspiracy stories to toss into your game ...
>
that's okay, we put the same kind of comparison in as well here. But as for
Damien, we've considered a really interesting thing or three.

A) The guy could actually allergic to a lot of the cybermods that are out
there. Strange, but possible.

B) He really is a latent mage of some form, and a "Social Adept" as it were.

C) We -DO- have a reason to believe that he is one of the major forces behind
the "Leonization" information within Shadowtech. Found within some of the
books that are out there, we also note that David Gavillian and Thomas
Roxborough have various connections through the "Universal Omnitech"
connection.

D) We also think that Damien could actually be suffering from a MASSIVE form
of Cyberphobia, especially since he was -likely- involved in the original
"Proto-Matrix Wars" that were Echo Mirage. Something highly complex, and it
gives him a reason to keep all of his potential implantware as secretive as
possible.

slightly OT here...

Our group used a couple variation on this theme and found ourselves in the
worst possible place on earth. At the wrong end of Mr. Knight's attention.
We were hired to get a blood sample from a clinic in the western Yucatan
region. Turns out it was one of the first, if not the first, UO clinic. It
turns out that a "David Gavillian" blood and tissue screening sample
collection were held there.

Sure we got it out, sure we wound in all sorts of trouble.

oh yeah, did we forget to tell you that the Aztlan President has "entered
mortality" (to quote Evita). It was the only thing that Binder (aka ME) could
think of to distract as many people at the site as absolutely possible.

Oh yeah, and when breaking in to a place like that, make sure to bring a Magic
Fingers spell, a -really- good pair of binoculars, and at least one cyberdeck
and rigger remote deck.

Look in the windows, pick up their phone, dial your number, run an access in
reverse, gain information for the slave system (aka, rigger network) and run a
tap on a sentry gun system....

Yep, fun run, lots of hell later...

-K (sorry, I'm suffering insomnia and type-rambling at this point)
Message no. 11
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:56:58 -0600
Avenger wrote:
/
/ If the threat of asteroid impact and extermination of life is taken
/ seriously, and the various organisations involved with Space certainly
/ seem to be taking it seriously. What, if any, precautions and
/ countermeasures would be in place by 2059/60?

I don't think any countermeasures will be in place by 205x.

Despite the fact that it's scary, and is making Hollywood some money
this year, I don't think anyone's going to take it seriously enough to
spend Billions of dollars to prevent an event that has astronomical
odds of *not* happening in their lifetime.

Now, something might be in place that could be used to counter an
astroid, but that won't be it's intended purpose. ARES might have a
massive railgun in high earth orbit designed to be used against enemy
corps that could be used to pulverize an incoming astroid. But my
point is, that they wouldn't put something like that up into space with
the sole purpose of astroid defence (unless they know something the
rest of the world doesn't <EGMG>).

-David
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Message no. 12
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:17:06 -0400
At 04:33 AM 7/1/98 +0100, you wrote:

>>>Who would own them (aside from the all-encompassing and /boring/ ARES!).
>>
>>Cross Technologies, Rockwell, Boeing off the top of my head.
>
>Rockwell, there's one I didn't think of. Boeing I went for, but who are
>Cross?

Is Rockwell still around, as an independent corp in 2060?

Cross Applied Technologies is the Quebec corporation that is the big rival
of Ares.

I'd also think that <Blood in the Boardroom SPOILER HERE!!> Novatech would
also have space capabilities. The Fuchi space program was firmly in
Richard Villier's hands, so I'd have to think when shit happens and
Novatech is born, they'd have those space stations and launch pads and such
still.

Boeing might be a bit too small for space, but I'm sure they at the least
tinker with that stuff.

I'd bet on SK having space capabilities also. I could be hallucinating
like Alfredo, but I seem to recall reading somewhere that SK had a major
launch facility in Africa.

I wouldn't bet against any of the other megas, but I doubt they do more
than dabble.

Erik J.


"Forgive me FASA for I have sinned. It has been 6 days since I last played
Shadowrun and 15 days since I last bought a SRTCG booster pack."
Message no. 13
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:17:21 -0400
At 02:21 AM 7/1/98 -0500, you wrote:

>Ok then, here's something that kinda disturbed me: in Target: UCAS, there
>is a pic next to the bit about DK on page 60 ... If that is supposed to
>be D.Knight, he resembles Ares from the Hercules/Xena shows ... and what
>they say about him is kinda disturbing too ... no obvious cyber, hasn't
>visibly aged since he appeared in the Media ... I'm not saying that FASA
>put a Greek God in charge of one of the big 8 but, if ya want some crazy
>conspiracy stories to toss into your game ...
>
>D.Ghost

Disturbed you? I thought you were disturbed already? (ducks into lounge
chair a the carp and thwap shielded Resort)

Anyway, there clearly is something odd about Damien Knight. Don't know
exactly what, but he's an extremely nasty SOB, that's for certain.

I wonder if FASA will ever clue us in to what the deal with ol'Damien is.

Erik J.



"Oh, the silent helicopters and the men in black fatigues? They're just my
car pool to work."
Message no. 14
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 01:32:11 +0100
In article <199807010502.BAA09293@*****.uc.edu>, NightLife
<habenir@*****.UC.EDU> writes
>>>Why I outta. ;)
>>Yeah?
>>You think?
>><plbtplbtplbtplbt>
>
>Don't make me open a can of whupass. ;)

Erm Nightlife, You might want to check a post of yours from last month
(near the beginning) that challenged me to start another "argument" with
you. So -plbtplbtplbtplbt- it's /your/ fault, and I'm right, so there.
:-P

>>>>they can make new Tasmanian Tigers from the dead body of a puppy they've
>>>>got... Dinosaurs are next) but I digress.
>>>Don't make me go there.
>>You started it. A while back, but you started it. :)
>
>No I think it was a flakey grasp of genetech that started it. ;)

Nope, that was the original one. :) Not this one. And I'm closer to
it. I know I am, they're finding all sorts of things that they might be
able to get genetic material from, including interesting things stuck in
amber, just like the movie - It was on Discovery so it must be true, I
mean a channel as respected as Discovery would lie - would they? :)

>>>>seem to be taking it seriously. What, if any, precautions and
>>>>countermeasures would be in place by 2059/60?

>>I think I'll give SK a mass driver on their roof - specifically for
>>turning people into something Lofwyr can spread on his toast. :)
>
>What about that vegamite stuff the Euro's were going on about.

I thought that was the Australian bunch? I'm a Euro, and I have no idea
what Vegamite is - but that could be because it hasn't arrived or has
been rejected by the population of sheep on this rock. :)

>>>>Who would own them (aside from the all-encompassing and /boring/ ARES!).
>>>Cross Technologies, Rockwell, Boeing off the top of my head.
>>Rockwell, there's one I didn't think of. Boeing I went for, but who are
>>Cross?
>
>The corp Lenoard Aurelieus (sp?) went to get away from Knight.

Right. It's in a book. OK, I'll find it.

>>Disposal of hazardous material, hmm, you mean like Immortal Elves.
>><grin>
>><runs and hides>
>
>Like the Tolkienists would allow the heat of a sun to hurt them.

hehe. They ain't got no say in my game. :)

>>Interesting concept though. I seem to recall somebody coming up with
>>that on another list, and they were flamed out of existence, the
>>reasoning being that it's too expensive to ship waste up into space,
>>even if that is the best place for it.
>
>Think that would depend on just how toxic something is.

BigMac?

>>>a one
>>>way trip to the sun baby.
>>No, you can't do that... It would make our sun toxic. A couple hundred
>>years of MacDonald burger wrappers and the intergalactic waste disposal
>>teams would turn up and sweep /us/ into the trashcan. :)
>
>Hey according to some we're already there.

Nah, the Vorlon's haven't visited yet. So we've got a ways to go.

>>Not much chance of that, unless the Russian Mafia have got hold of
>>whatever the USSR left lying around, and decided to do away with their
>>Corsican cousins. :) Although I suppose Native American radicals could
>>try another launch just to see if the first one was a fluke.
>
>Actually I was thinking of semi-ballistics.

OH. My bad. Here, wait a minute... You said rogue ballistic... Hah.
It's your fault. :-P

>>>Pretty small considering the specialized equipment need to make to space
>>>and surive there.
>>
>>Not making space, too damned expensive, but using a system along the
>>lines of a control platform and software from earth. Say to threaten an
>>orbital, or hold a country to ransom. For example, Under Siege 2.
>
>No not a Seagal reference!!!

But I know how much you like movie references. :)

>But seriously I don't know.

Oh, that was helpful. <g>

>>>Maybe a particle beam or a neutrino blaster. But I'm guessing at this point.
>>
>>Neutrino blaster? Huh? Particle Beam I understand, but neutrinos?
>
>Neutrinos are particles of energy that pass through everything all the
>time. If one were to focus them in theory no shielding could stop the bean
>produced and would be a dread weapon indeed.

OK, if they pass /through/ everything, how would that make them a dread
weapon. Sure, they'd pass through the shield, but also the target. No
damage? Or does the focussing, create a coherent beam that has physical
effects?

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Message no. 15
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:12:28 +0100
In article <199807011456.IAA05012@******.carl.org>, David Buehrer
<dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG> writes
>Avenger wrote:
>/
>/ seem to be taking it seriously. What, if any, precautions and
>/ countermeasures would be in place by 2059/60?
>
>I don't think any countermeasures will be in place by 205x.

Yes, agreed. I don't think so either but I thought I'd throw the
question out to see what other people thought.

>Despite the fact that it's scary, and is making Hollywood some money
>this year, I don't think anyone's going to take it seriously enough to
>spend Billions of dollars to prevent an event that has astronomical
>odds of *not* happening in their lifetime.

Oh they are taking it very seriously, especially in light of
Schumaker/Levy (sp) and the near miss earlier this year.

There's a wonderfully amusing thread in one of the conspiracy lists that
has taken the Hollywood fascination with "asteroid catastrophe" to mean
that it's going to happen soon and they're making the films under
government direction to accustom the people to what is about to happen.

If you look at the trend, from Asteroid and Meteor through to the
current Deep Impact, the movies are getting larger and more dramatic all
the time. An indication that conditioning is taking place. Same thing
with alien race movies. From stumbling carrot man in the original
Thing, to Syl from Species. They are conditioning us so that when it
happens we won't all run around screaming and panicking. Shyeah right.
:)

The X-Files isn't a fictional program, it's a government funded
educational program designed to help us understand what is about to
happen. <grin>

>Now, something might be in place that could be used to counter an
>astroid, but that won't be it's intended purpose. ARES might have a
>massive railgun in high earth orbit designed to be used against enemy
>corps that could be used to pulverize an incoming astroid.

Massive might be a little generous. In that case, an earth based
"massive" mass driver would be cheaper, though harder to aim. It would
perhaps be more sensible to have several of these weapons in orbit,
rather than a single massive unit. Investing everything into one
"single kill" article, would be too risky. The slightest problem and
it's over.

>But my
>point is, that they wouldn't put something like that up into space with
>the sole purpose of astroid defence (unless they know something the
>rest of the world doesn't <EGMG>).

Ares, the north American corporate god. I don't like Ares, not because
they're American, or because they exist, but they're such a sickeningly
"squeaky" organisation. Nowhere near as colourful as the other mega's.
A shame, because when I first heard of ARES, my first thought was a
cross between Tyrrel Corporation (Bladerunner) and OCP (Robocop). Ares
have failed dismally to even scratch the shadow of those two monsters.

Having said all that. ARES /own/ NASA and the American Space Program.
Perhaps they do know something the rest of us don't. Perhaps, the
scientists today know something the rest of us don't. They just haven't
figured out how to tell us yet. Some very credible and qualified
individuals amongst the scientific community are definitely taking this
situation in an extremely serious light.

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Message no. 16
From: NightLife <habenir@*****.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 01:10:18 -0400
>Erm Nightlife, You might want to check a post of yours from last month
>(near the beginning) that challenged me to start another "argument" with
>you. So -plbtplbtplbtplbt- it's /your/ fault, and I'm right, so there.
>:-P

Can one not jest.

>Nope, that was the original one. :) Not this one. And I'm closer to
>it. I know I am, they're finding all sorts of things that they might be
>able to get genetic material from, including interesting things stuck in
>amber, just like the movie - It was on Discovery so it must be true, I
>mean a channel as respected as Discovery would lie - would they? :)

What we need here is a couple of Scientific American and to strap you down
in front of PBS for a couple of days. Might help, might not but it'd be fun
to torture you that way. ;)


>I thought that was the Australian bunch? I'm a Euro, and I have no idea
>what Vegamite is - but that could be because it hasn't arrived or has
>been rejected by the population of sheep on this rock. :)

I don't know sounds kind of like barf in a can.


>Right. It's in a book. OK, I'll find it.
>
>hehe. They ain't got no say in my game. :)

Nor mine.

>>>Interesting concept though. I seem to recall somebody coming up with
>>>that on another list, and they were flamed out of existence, the
>>>reasoning being that it's too expensive to ship waste up into space,
>>>even if that is the best place for it.
>>
>>Think that would depend on just how toxic something is.
>
>BigMac?

No that can be digested by some people you know.


>Nah, the Vorlon's haven't visited yet. So we've got a ways to go.

B5 fan huh?

>>Actually I was thinking of semi-ballistics.
>
>OH. My bad. Here, wait a minute... You said rogue ballistic... Hah.
>It's your fault. :-P

Oh well.

>But I know how much you like movie references. :)

I'm not gonna diginify that one.

>>>Neutrino blaster? Huh? Particle Beam I understand, but neutrinos?
>>
>>Neutrinos are particles of energy that pass through everything all the
>>time. If one were to focus them in theory no shielding could stop the bean
>>produced and would be a dread weapon indeed.
>
>OK, if they pass /through/ everything, how would that make them a dread
>weapon. Sure, they'd pass through the shield, but also the target. No
>damage? Or does the focussing, create a coherent beam that has physical
>effects?

The idea is that in a coherent beam they would be able to do damage similar
to a laser. The reason they're not dangereous is that they're so spead out
and having no charge that pass harmlessly through everything, in fact
they're blasting though us right now you, me, the planet and everyone else
on this board. By focusing them in a tight beam however they become
destructive much in they way light becomes a laser. They're so dense at
this point that the matter can't absorb them, the same way that light is
absorbed until it's focused into a laser.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nightlife Inc.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

"I am telling you nothing - merely asking you to remember that death come in
many shades. Some are harsh and infinitely painful to look upon; others can
be
as peaceful and beautiful as the setting sun. I am an artist, and many colors
lie on upon my palette. Let me paint him a rainbow, and give you the means to
decide where it ends."

Erik from the book Phantom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Message no. 17
From: Sommers <sommers@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:17:26 -0400
At 01:32 AM 7/2/98 +0100, you wrote:

[Snip Stuff]
>Avenger
>http://www.shalako.demon.co.uk/index.htm
>(Newbies Survival Guide to Stk & SR stuff)
>http://www.freespace.virgin.net/p.siems/index.htm
>(UK Survival Guide, SR Guide to the Oceans.)
>

Off topic here put the freespcae link doesn't work. You have to take out
the www or your browser can't find it.

Sommers
Message no. 18
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:17:46 -0600
Avenger wrote:
/
/ The X-Files isn't a fictional program, it's a government funded
/ educational program designed to help us understand what is about to
/ happen. <grin>

LOL!

/ Ares, the north American corporate god. I don't like Ares, not because
/ they're American, or because they exist, but they're such a sickeningly
/ "squeaky" organisation. Nowhere near as colourful as the other mega's.
/ A shame, because when I first heard of ARES, my first thought was a
/ cross between Tyrrel Corporation (Bladerunner) and OCP (Robocop). Ares
/ have failed dismally to even scratch the shadow of those two monsters.

I don't know about you, but that scares me even more. How do they do
it? How do they maintain that clean image? What are they really
hiding...? On the other hand, if you're an evil GM... :)

/ Having said all that. ARES /own/ NASA and the American Space Program.
/ Perhaps they do know something the rest of us don't. Perhaps, the
/ scientists today know something the rest of us don't. They just haven't
/ figured out how to tell us yet. Some very credible and qualified
/ individuals amongst the scientific community are definitely taking this
/ situation in an extremely serious light.

Maybe that astroid that missed us recently was on a direct path for the
earth, but Illuminati scientists where able to alter the earth's magnetic
field enough to alter the astroid's path. Of course, this strengthened El
Nino and its playing havoc with the weather patterns, but that just allows
the Illuminati to trade inside the futures markets :)

-David
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Message no. 19
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:15:25 -0400
At 12:17 PM 7/2/98 -0600, you wrote:

>/ Ares, the north American corporate god. I don't like Ares, not because
>/ they're American, or because they exist, but they're such a sickeningly
>/ "squeaky" organisation. Nowhere near as colourful as the other mega's.
>/ A shame, because when I first heard of ARES, my first thought was a
>/ cross between Tyrrel Corporation (Bladerunner) and OCP (Robocop). Ares
>/ have failed dismally to even scratch the shadow of those two monsters.

Well, as of 2060 Ares has two major North American competitors, Cross
Applied Technologies and Novatech.

There's a lot going on underneath the surface of Ares, it's just not clear
what. I mean, there's something odd about Damien Knight and the whole
Ares=UCAS sort of cultivated attitude (reinforced by Ares troops working
side-by-side with UCAS troops in Chicago) is somewhat disquieting also.

No, I think Ares isn't quite the shining example too many people think it is.

Thought: Ares engages in a corporate takeover of the UCAS...

Erik J.

URL to go here...
Message no. 20
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:21:18 +0100
In article <199807021817.MAA15581@******.carl.org>, David Buehrer
<dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG> writes
>Avenger wrote:
>/
>/ The X-Files isn't a fictional program, it's a government funded
>/ educational program designed to help us understand what is about to
>/ happen. <grin>
>
>LOL!

Don't laugh, it's true. The lie /is/ out there, and it's been there for
years, Chris Carter is trying to help you understand, the whole program
has come about after 30 years of study by government psychologists.

>/ A shame, because when I first heard of ARES, my first thought was a
>/ cross between Tyrrel Corporation (Bladerunner) and OCP (Robocop). Ares
>/ have failed dismally to even scratch the shadow of those two monsters.
>
>I don't know about you, but that scares me even more.

Not at all. If there was anything that would bother me, it would be a
lack of anything - they've got, as you mention a problem with Knight,
they have a problem in that they've released an agent that is anti
mage/shaman/ghoul/awakened/bug in the middle of Chicago, without care of
the long term prospects, but basically they're a prettied up version of
Microsoft. Lots of crap, lots of accusations, but a nice neat teflon
coating. The Nice apple pie and ice cream, home coming queen of North
America.

<yawn>
:)

>How do they do
>it? How do they maintain that clean image? What are they really
>hiding...?

Not a lot. That's Saeder Krupp's job. They've got Lofwyr the psycho
dragon. Big guy, lots of scales, likes toast. :)

>On the other hand, if you're an evil GM... :)

I have been told I am, but I doubt anyone here would like what I've done
to Ares.

>/ figured out how to tell us yet. Some very credible and qualified
>/ individuals amongst the scientific community are definitely taking this
>/ situation in an extremely serious light.
>
>Maybe that astroid that missed us recently was on a direct path for the
>earth, but Illuminati scientists where able to alter the earth's magnetic
>field enough to alter the astroid's path. Of course, this strengthened El
>Nino and its playing havoc with the weather patterns, but that just allows
>the Illuminati to trade inside the futures markets :)

I'm sorry David, I can't answer that, it involves something I have a
problem with.

If I answer you I'll have to kill you.

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Message no. 21
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:25:21 +0100
In article <199807020512.BAA06440@*****.uc.edu>, NightLife
<habenir@*****.UC.EDU> writes
>>Erm Nightlife, You might want to check a post of yours from last month
>>(near the beginning) that challenged me to start another "argument" with
>>you. So -plbtplbtplbtplbt- it's /your/ fault, and I'm right, so there.
>>:-P
>
>Can one not jest.

In a word. No.

;)

>>able to get genetic material from, including interesting things stuck in
>>amber, just like the movie - It was on Discovery so it must be true, I
>>mean a channel as respected as Discovery would lie - would they? :)
>
>What we need here is a couple of Scientific American and to strap you down
>in front of PBS for a couple of days. Might help, might not but it'd be fun
>to torture you that way. ;)

Ooooh. I love it when you talk dirty to me. :)

>>I thought that was the Australian bunch? I'm a Euro, and I have no idea
>>what Vegamite is - but that could be because it hasn't arrived or has
>>been rejected by the population of sheep on this rock. :)
>
>I don't know sounds kind of like barf in a can.

I think you might have hit the nail on the head. I suspect that it is,
especially when one takes into consideration the people who know what it
is. :)

>>>Think that would depend on just how toxic something is.
>>
>>BigMac?
>
>No that can be digested by some people you know.

Really? Are you sure?

Scary.

>>Nah, the Vorlon's haven't visited yet. So we've got a ways to go.
>
>B5 fan huh?

Yep. When I'm allowed to watch it. :(

>>>Actually I was thinking of semi-ballistics.
>>OH. My bad. Here, wait a minute... You said rogue ballistic... Hah.
>>It's your fault. :-P
>
>Oh well.

Heh. :) <smirk>

>>But I know how much you like movie references. :)
>
>I'm not gonna diginify that one.

Awww. Spoilsport.

>>OK, if they pass /through/ everything, how would that make them a dread
>>weapon. Sure, they'd pass through the shield, but also the target. No
>>damage? Or does the focussing, create a coherent beam that has physical
>>effects?
>
>The idea is that in a coherent beam they would be able to do damage similar
>to a laser. The reason they're not dangereous is that they're so spead out
>and having no charge that pass harmlessly through everything, in fact
>they're blasting though us right now you, me, the planet and everyone else
>on this board. By focusing them in a tight beam however they become
>destructive much in they way light becomes a laser. They're so dense at
>this point that the matter can't absorb them, the same way that light is
>absorbed until it's focused into a laser.

Details my man. Power ratio to bean integrity, unit size, power
sources. Output. and lots of other stuff. :) You've piqued my
curiosity and I want to know more.

Please don't make me go to the Space newsgroup and ask, they're very
strange people in there.


--
Avenger
http://www.shalako.demon.co.uk/index.htm
(Newbies Survival Guide to Stk & SR stuff)
http://www.freespace.virgin.net/p.siems/index.htm
(UK Survival Guide, SR Guide to the Oceans.)
Message no. 22
From: Philippe Garneau <pgarneau@****.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:16:44 -0400
-----Message d'origine-----
De : David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
À : SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
Date : 2 juillet, 1998 14:25
Objet : Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!


>Avenger wrote:
>/
>/ The X-Files isn't a fictional program, it's a government funded
>/ educational program designed to help us understand what is about to
>/ happen. <grin>
>

>LOL!
>
>/ Ares, the north American corporate god. I don't like Ares, not because
>/ they're American, or because they exist, but they're such a sickeningly
>/ "squeaky" organisation. Nowhere near as colourful as the other mega's.
>/ A shame, because when I first heard of ARES, my first thought was a
>/ cross between Tyrrel Corporation (Bladerunner) and OCP (Robocop). Ares
>/ have failed dismally to even scratch the shadow of those two monsters.
>

Definitely more like Tyrell than OCP, IMHO, because of the the very
hands-on leadership of Damien Knight.

>I don't know about you, but that scares me even more. How do they do
>it? How do they maintain that clean image? What are they really
>hiding...? On the other hand, if you're an evil GM... :)
>
>/ Having said all that. ARES /own/ NASA and the American Space Program.
>/ Perhaps they do know something the rest of us don't. Perhaps, the
>/ scientists today know something the rest of us don't. They just haven't
>/ figured out how to tell us yet. Some very credible and qualified
>/ individuals amongst the scientific community are definitely taking this
>/ situation in an extremely serious light.
>

I'm afraid i don't get what you're trying to say, here. Are you talking
about now, or SR's 2050's? Why would credible and qualified scientists in SR
are concerned about the fact that Ares got a large space program (or that
the UCAS don't anymore?).

Clarification is needed here, please! :-)

>Maybe that astroid that missed us recently was on a direct path for the
>earth, but Illuminati scientists where able to alter the earth's magnetic
>field enough to alter the astroid's path. Of course, this strengthened El
>Nino and its playing havoc with the weather patterns, but that just allows
>the Illuminati to trade inside the futures markets :)
>

Well, the Illuminati got plenty of time to do their trick, since the
asteroid is supposed to miss us only in 2026 (or is it 2028?).


>-David
Message no. 23
From: NightLife <habenir@*****.UC.EDU>
Subject: Fwd: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:07:58 -0400
>X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.00 beta 6 <$0a5h+DFHOOk9N0ImVGrMXZm5u>
>Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:25:21 +0100
>Reply-To: Avenger@*******.demon.co.uk
>Sender: Shadowrun Discussion <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
>From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.demon.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
>To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET

>In a word. No.

Could you say they in Spanish.

;)
>
>>>able to get genetic material from, including interesting things stuck in
>>>amber, just like the movie - It was on Discovery so it must be true, I
>>>mean a channel as respected as Discovery would lie - would they? :)
>>
>>What we need here is a couple of Scientific American and to strap you down
>>in front of PBS for a couple of days. Might help, might not but it'd be fun
>>to torture you that way. ;)
>
>Ooooh. I love it when you talk dirty to me. :)

You're just hoping I'm a tease. ;)


>>>>Think that would depend on just how toxic something is.
>>>
>>>BigMac?
>>
>>No that can be digested by some people you know.
>
>Really? Are you sure?
>
>Scary.

Yep. Espically when you consider they managed to pass off plastic as food
for twenty some off years.


>>>But I know how much you like movie references. :)
>>
>>I'm not gonna diginify that one.
>
>Awww. Spoilsport.

>Details my man. Power ratio to bean integrity, unit size, power
>sources. Output. and lots of other stuff. :) You've piqued my

>curiosity and I want to know more.

I am not gonna try and find that issue of Omni. Which doesn't have that
kind of info. Probably pitched last time my girlfriend cleaned my room,
along with all the playboys. ;(


>Please don't make me go to the Space newsgroup and ask, they're very
>strange people in there.

Well then out ought to fit...... naah that's too easy. ;)

>Avenger
>http://www.shalako.demon.co.uk/index.htm
>(Newbies Survival Guide to Stk & SR stuff)
>http://www.freespace.virgin.net/p.siems/index.htm
>(UK Survival Guide, SR Guide to the Oceans.)
>
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Nightlife Inc.
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"I am telling you nothing - merely asking you to remember that death come in
many shades. Some are harsh and infinitely painful to look upon; others can
be
as peaceful and beautiful as the setting sun. I am an artist, and many colors
lie on upon my palette. Let me paint him a rainbow, and give you the means to
decide where it ends."

Erik from the book Phantom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Message no. 24
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 19:06:09 +0100
In article <003d01bda641$c5b991c0$1ea0cb84@*********.rsvs.ulaval.ca>,
Philippe Garneau <pgarneau@****.ULAVAL.CA> writes
>>Avenger wrote:
>>/ Having said all that. ARES /own/ NASA and the American Space Program.
>>/ Perhaps they do know something the rest of us don't. Perhaps, the
>>/ scientists today know something the rest of us don't. They just haven't
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Clarification is needed here, please! :-)

Clear enough? :)

>>Maybe that astroid that missed us recently was on a direct path for the
>>earth, but Illuminati scientists where able to alter the earth's magnetic
>>field enough to alter the astroid's path. Of course, this strengthened El
>>Nino and its playing havoc with the weather patterns, but that just allows
>>the Illuminati to trade inside the futures markets :)
>
>Well, the Illuminati got plenty of time to do their trick, since the
>asteroid is supposed to miss us only in 2026 (or is it 2028?).

The asteroid in question that a certain person was making a joke about
occurred this year - 1998. I can't speculate about anything passing in
2926/28 I haven't been there yet. :)

And there are too many books to even attempt to find the reference you
seem to be using.

--
Avenger
http://www.shalako.demon.co.uk/index.htm
(Newbies Survival Guide to Stk & SR stuff)
http://www.freespace.virgin.net/p.siems/index.htm
(UK Survival Guide, SR Guide to the Oceans.)
Message no. 25
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:27:45 +0100
In article <199807030710.DAA27337@*****.uc.edu>, NightLife
<habenir@*****.UC.EDU> writes
>>Subject: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
>>To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
>
>>In a word. No.
>Could you say they in Spanish.

ellas, ellos

>>>What we need here is a couple of Scientific American and to strap you down
>>>in front of PBS for a couple of days. Might help, might not but it'd be fun
>>>to torture you that way. ;)
>>Ooooh. I love it when you talk dirty to me. :)
>
>You're just hoping I'm a tease. ;)

You are, you threaten but you don't do. :)

>>>>BigMac?
>>>No that can be digested by some people you know.
>>Really? Are you sure?
>>Scary.
>
>Yep. Espically when you consider they managed to pass off plastic as food
>for twenty some off years.

Don't know about plastic, though I'm familiar with the Styrofoam <grin>

>>Details my man. Power ratio to bean integrity, unit size, power
>>sources. Output. and lots of other stuff. :) You've piqued my
>>curiosity and I want to know more.
>
>I am not gonna try and find that issue of Omni.

<sulk>

>Which doesn't have that
>kind of info.

If it doesn't have it, why would you look for it?

>Probably pitched last time my girlfriend cleaned my room,
>along with all the playboys. ;(

I'm going to behave, and not comment. :)

>>Please don't make me go to the Space newsgroup and ask, they're very
>>strange people in there.
>
>Well then out ought to fit......

<splutter, bluster... mumble>

>naah that's too easy. ;)

Bah, Humbug!


--
Avenger
http://www.shalako.demon.co.uk/index.htm
(Newbies Survival Guide to Stk & SR stuff)
http://www.freespace.virgin.net/p.siems/index.htm
(UK Survival Guide, SR Guide to the Oceans.)
Message no. 26
From: NightLife <habenir@*****.UC.EDU>
Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 03:44:34 -0400
>X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.00 beta 7 <$0a5h+DFHOOk9N0ImVGrMXZm5u>
>Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:27:45 +0100
>Reply-To: Avenger@*******.demon.co.uk
>Sender: Shadowrun Discussion <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
>From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.demon.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Oh my God! They killed Genetics- The Bastards!
>To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET

>>>Ooooh. I love it when you talk dirty to me. :)
>>
>>You're just hoping I'm a tease. ;)
>
>You are, you threaten but you don't do. :)

Threaten, Moi? Alright march over to the tv and turn on TLC and don't move
for 72 hrs. ;)


>>Yep. Espically when you consider they managed to pass off plastic as food
>>for twenty some off years.
>
>Don't know about plastic, though I'm familiar with the Styrofoam <grin>

Eating Styrofoam? Hmmm.... that would explain a lot for your behavior a
serious case of brain damage through poisoning. ;)

>>>Details my man. Power ratio to bean integrity, unit size, power
>>>sources. Output. and lots of other stuff. :) You've piqued my
>>>curiosity and I want to know more.
>>
>>I am not gonna try and find that issue of Omni.
>
><sulk>

Don't sulk, turn that frown upside down.

>>Which doesn't have that
>>kind of info.
>
>If it doesn't have it, why would you look for it?

Because I remembered that I had a subscription when I started to rant on
therotical weapons.


>I'm going to behave, and not comment. :)

Good boy. ;)

>>>Please don't make me go to the Space newsgroup and ask, they're very
>>>strange people in there.
>>
>>Well then out ought to fit......
>
><splutter, bluster... mumble>

Don't get flustered.

>>naah that's too easy. ;)
>
>Bah, Humbug!

Scrooge! ;)

>
>--
>Avenger
>http://www.shalako.demon.co.uk/index.htm
>(Newbies Survival Guide to Stk & SR stuff)
>http://www.freespace.virgin.net/p.siems/index.htm
>(UK Survival Guide, SR Guide to the Oceans.)
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nightlife Inc.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

"I am telling you nothing - merely asking you to remember that death come in
many shades. Some are harsh and infinitely painful to look upon; others can
be
as peaceful and beautiful as the setting sun. I am an artist, and many colors
lie on upon my palette. Let me paint him a rainbow, and give you the means to
decide where it ends."

Erik from the book Phantom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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