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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Old Gods
Date: Fri Jul 6 09:25:01 2001
Has anyone thought about or actually done up the "Old Gods" as totems for
Shamans? aka, Norse Gods like Thor and Loki, or Egyptian Gods like Ra? Might be
inetresting to see the various Pantheons done up...

Bull

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Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (robert frazine)
Subject: Old Gods
Date: Fri Jul 6 09:35:01 2001
On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Steven Ratkovich wrote:

> Has anyone thought about or actually done up the "Old Gods" as totems for
> Shamans? aka, Norse Gods like Thor and Loki, or Egyptian Gods like Ra?
> Might be inetresting to see the various Pantheons done up...

I think that followers of the old gods wouldn't necessarily be shamanic,
maybe a mix of shamanic and hermetic. I think summoning a servant of Ra
would be a long and drawn out process including some sort of ritualistic
sacrifice, not something that happens in less then a minute.

hmmm... Maybe I'll try and see what I can come up with this weekend.


Shade

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Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Wavy Davy)
Subject: Old gods
Date: Fri Jul 6 09:45:01 2001
I dunno about serious old time gods, but a friend of mine came up a
pantheon consisting of a Bear, a Hawk, a Puma and one other (can't
remeber) to create his cartoon character concept - Braveheart! :)

Speed of the Puma!
Strength of the Bear!
Eyes of the Hawk!
<someattribute> of the <someotheranimal>!

;)

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Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: Old Gods
Date: Fri Jul 6 11:30:01 2001
On Fri, 06 Jul 2001 09:30:18 -0500 "Steven Ratkovich"
<RatkovSM@*********.com> writes:
> Has anyone thought about or actually done up the "Old Gods" as totems
> for Shamans? aka, Norse Gods like Thor and Loki, or Egyptian Gods
> like Ra? Might be inetresting to see the various Pantheons done
> up...

Would they just be one of the Idol Archetypes? At least for simplicity?

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Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Valeu John EMFA)
Subject: Old gods
Date: Fri Jul 6 14:30:01 2001
> I dunno about serious old time gods, but a friend of mine came up a
> pantheon consisting of a Bear, a Hawk, a Puma and one other (can't
> remeber) to create his cartoon character concept - Braveheart! :)
>
> Speed of the Puma!
> Strength of the Bear!
> Eyes of the Hawk!
> <someattribute> of the <someotheranimal>!
>
[Valeu John EMFA]
Ears of the Wolf.
And tell your friend to get it right, it was.....

Lone Starr. (Old 80's space cowboy.)
Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Ghengis Josh)
Subject: Old gods
Date: Fri Jul 6 15:50:01 2001
> > I dunno about serious old time gods, but a friend of mine came up a
> > pantheon consisting of a Bear, a Hawk, a Puma and one other (can't
> > remeber) to create his cartoon character concept - Braveheart! :)
> >
> > Speed of the Puma!
> > Strength of the Bear!
> > Eyes of the Hawk!
> > <someattribute> of the <someotheranimal>!
> >
> [Valeu John EMFA]
> Ears of the Wolf.
> And tell your friend to get it right, it was.....
>
> Lone Starr. (Old 80's space cowboy.)
>

Pretty sure it was BraveStarr, actually. He was american indian inspired,
hence the brave segment of his name and the animal spirit summoning bit. He
had a transforming, partially cyborged, intelligent horse for a sidekick
too.

Ghengis Josh
Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Philip Allchin)
Subject: Old gods
Date: Fri Jul 6 15:55:02 2001
No, Valeu is quite right. Its Lone Starr.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ghengis Josh <jcgoebel@****.net>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: Old gods


>
> > > I dunno about serious old time gods, but a friend of mine came up a
> > > pantheon consisting of a Bear, a Hawk, a Puma and one other (can't
> > > remeber) to create his cartoon character concept - Braveheart! :)
> > >
> > > Speed of the Puma!
> > > Strength of the Bear!
> > > Eyes of the Hawk!
> > > <someattribute> of the <someotheranimal>!
> > >
> > [Valeu John EMFA]
> > Ears of the Wolf.
> > And tell your friend to get it right, it was.....
> >
> > Lone Starr. (Old 80's space cowboy.)
> >
>
> Pretty sure it was BraveStarr, actually. He was american indian inspired,
> hence the brave segment of his name and the animal spirit summoning bit.
He
> had a transforming, partially cyborged, intelligent horse for a sidekick
> too.
>
> Ghengis Josh
>
>
>
Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Richard Tomasso)
Subject: Old Gods
Date: Fri Jul 6 16:20:01 2001
>From: "Steven Ratkovich" <RatkovSM@*********.com>
>
>Has anyone thought about or actually done up the "Old Gods" as totems
>for
>Shamans? aka, Norse Gods like Thor and Loki, or Egyptian Gods >like Ra?
>Might be inetresting to see the various Pantheons done up...

I'm sure someone has, I've heard about it a few times. Tho, most of
it could be done with Idols (MITS p160).
There are some very easy correspondences like
Prometheus = FireBringer; Bacchus = Bacchus,
Hades = Dark King; Aphrodite = Lover,
Loki = Trickster; Zeus, Thor = Sky Father,
Hepheastus = Creator

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Message no. 9
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Mr Beren)
Subject: Old Gods
Date: Fri Jul 6 17:20:01 2001
>From: "Steven Ratkovich" <RatkovSM@*********.com>
>
>Has anyone thought about or actually done up the "Old Gods" as totems for
>Shamans? aka, Norse Gods like Thor and Loki, or Egyptian Gods like Ra?
>Might be inetresting to see the various Pantheons done up...

I recall seeing something like that (without rules) for norse priests in the
German version of MitS in the section about other magical cults. I sorta
outlined something for them too: Freya +2 on Healing; Odin (Wotan in Germany) +2
on Combat; Loki +2 on Illusion; Thor +2 on Manipulation Is all I can get
together right now. The priests would get -2 on something else (maybe they
choose themselves?, maybe even -1 on two other categories?) and summon
elemental-like spirits (you'd have to come up with an healing-elemental), called, lets
say, heroes or half-gods or something *desperately trying to find ideas in
'Norse by Norsewest' and 'Rune'* nope, that's it, that's all I know about
northern God's...oh and their holy shrines would be some remote place in the woods,
or a swamp, or lake or something that can be found in nature

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Message no. 10
From: shadowrn@*********.com (NightLife)
Subject: Old Gods
Date: Fri Jul 6 17:45:05 2001
>I'm sure someone has, I've heard about it a few times. Tho, most of
>it could be done with Idols (MITS p160).
>There are some very easy correspondences like
>Prometheus = FireBringer; Bacchus = Bacchus,
>Hades = Dark King; Aphrodite = Lover,
>Loki = Trickster; Zeus, Thor = Sky Father,
>Hepheastus = Creator

Wouldn't Thor be the Dragonslayer? With the Egyptian Gods there are a few
holes that aren't easily filled.

Aten, Atum = ?
Osiris = Dark King
Anubis = The dark king is aleady in use what could be used for the taker of
souls?
Isis = Moon Maiden
Ra = Sky Father? His domain was the sun so it is a questionable fit as he
didn't use lighting or storms.
Set = Adversary
Horus = DragonSlayer, Wise Warrior
Thoth = The closest match would be creator however it is a bad one IMHO.

There are more than a few bad matches with would leave the need for more
idols such as Sun King ( reworded Sun would do the trick), Taker of Souls,
Sage, something for the honorable male warriors maybe Knight.
Message no. 11
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Ahrain Drigar)
Subject: Old Gods
Date: Sat Jul 7 10:30:01 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven Ratkovich <RatkovSM@*********.com>
Subject: Old Gods


>Has anyone thought about or actually done up the "Old Gods" as totems for
Shamans? aka, Norse >Gods like Thor and Loki, or Egyptian Gods like Ra?
Might be inetresting to see the various Pantheons >done up...
>
>Bull
>
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>
>

Not exactly what you were looking for, but interesting none the less.

Archangels as Totems, which can be found on the Archive (the link takes up 3
lines so I gave this one)
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Ring/4333/Archidole.html

Egyptian Totems
http://udel.edu/stu-org/galadrim/srii/magick/egypt/egypt.htm
An article by Trill. Who also has an article on Magic on the Archive
"Einsteinian and Magic"

Hope it helps.

Ahrain
Message no. 12
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Shiro BsquLadat)
Subject: Old Gods
Date: Sat Jul 7 14:20:01 2001
--- Steven Ratkovich <RatkovSM@*********.com> wrote:
> Has anyone thought about or actually done up the
> "Old Gods" as totems for Shamans? aka, Norse Gods
> like Thor and Loki, or Egyptian Gods like Ra? Might
> be inetresting to see the various Pantheons done
> up...
>
> Bull

I'm creating the greek dodekatheon as part of my Greek
creation project.Now that I have the time I think that
this "home sourcebook " of mine will be ready in
september!Be back with more info later:)

====-It didn't look so big in paper!!!!
-Ideas grow,Shiro.Sometimes bigger than life!

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Message no. 13
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Wavy Davy)
Subject: Old gods
Date: Sun Jul 8 13:55:01 2001
On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Valeu John EMFA wrote:

>
> > I dunno about serious old time gods, but a friend of mine came up a
> > pantheon consisting of a Bear, a Hawk, a Puma and one other (can't
> > remeber) to create his cartoon character concept - Braveheart! :)
> >
> > Speed of the Puma!
> > Strength of the Bear!
> > Eyes of the Hawk!
> > <someattribute> of the <someotheranimal>!
> >
> [Valeu John EMFA]
> Ears of the Wolf.

That's the Bunny! :)

> And tell your friend to get it right, it was.....

He got it right - I was just thinking Mel Gibson :)

> Lone Starr. (Old 80's space cowboy.)

? I thought it was Brave Starr. I could be wrong....

Either way, I thought it was a pretty nifty idea that you'd all
appreciate :)


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