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Message no. 1
From: Fade <runefo@***.UIO.NO>
Subject: Opinions, views, and rules
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 02:18:37 +0000
I have noticed a disturbing trend lately.

That is, a lot of you is arguing about things on the very edge of
definitions. Assumptions about ED/SR crossovers, deckers and magic,
and magic and technology in particular.

Why not consider carefully just how far from the rules you are, and
try to keep in mind that in this area what you are posting is
possibly alternate campaigns and house rules... not fact.

Most, if not every post, argues the sense of this or that, and the
discussion is in some cases growing heated and on the verge of name
calling. There is a lot of rather heavy assumptions taken for granted
in some of them.




--
Fade

And the Prince of Lies said:
"To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven."
-John Milton, Paradise Lost
Message no. 2
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Opinions, views, and rules
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 21:33:39 -0400
Fade once dared to write,

>I have noticed a disturbing trend lately.
>
>That is, a lot of you is arguing about things on the very edge of
>definitions.
<snip the rest>

Well, that's the nature of fringe areas. There is nothing to argue
when its laid out plain and simple in black and white. It's part of the
reasons we like to write. OTOH you are right about being on the verge of
a flame war. I've been trying my best to avoid starting one again (I
recognize my fault at being a firestarter at times). I think I've done
good so far and I hope others don't feel otherwise.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Ancient cultures believed that names held great power, personal names
more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves, they
answered to another name, because if another discovered their real name,
it could be used against them.
History repeats itself.
Welcome to the Digital Age.
I am MC23
Message no. 3
From: Spider Murphy <crickel@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Opinions, views, and rules
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 02:23:40 -0500
Fade wrote:

> I have noticed a disturbing trend lately.
>
> That is, a lot of you is arguing about things on the very edge of
> definitions. Assumptions about ED/SR crossovers, deckers and magic,
> and magic and technology in particular.
>
> Why not consider carefully just how far from the rules you are, and
> try to keep in mind that in this area what you are posting is
> possibly alternate campaigns and house rules... not fact.
>
> Most, if not every post, argues the sense of this or that, and the
> discussion is in some cases growing heated and on the verge of name
> calling. There is a lot of rather heavy assumptions taken for granted
> in some of them.

Hey, not fair, not fair, I was gonna post this message! It's mine, you
hear me, mine mine mine mine mine! <stomp stomp stomp stomp stomp> You're
a meanie, stealing my ideas! I'm gonna tell my mom and she's gonna sue!
And she's a lawyer, and can beat up your mother!

Spider Murphy

j/k, if you couldn't tell
Message no. 4
From: Lester Ward <lward@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Opinions, views, and rules
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:22:55 -0400
>Fade wrote:
>
>> I have noticed a disturbing trend lately.
>>
>> That is, a lot of you is arguing about things on the very edge of
>> definitions. Assumptions about ED/SR crossovers, deckers and magic,
>> and magic and technology in particular.
>>
>> Why not consider carefully just how far from the rules you are, and
>> try to keep in mind that in this area what you are posting is
>> possibly alternate campaigns and house rules... not fact.
>>
>> Most, if not every post, argues the sense of this or that, and the
>> discussion is in some cases growing heated and on the verge of name
>> calling. There is a lot of rather heavy assumptions taken for granted
>> in some of them.

Welcome to Shadowrun on the net, Fade. It's been like that since I can
remember, and I've been doing it for over 8 years.

Wordman
Message no. 5
From: Rune Fostervoll <runefo@***.UIO.NO>
Subject: Re: Opinions, views, and rules
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 02:28:43 +0100
>> Most, if not every post, argues the sense of this or that, and the
>> discussion is in some cases growing heated and on the verge of name
>> calling. There is a lot of rather heavy assumptions taken for granted
>> in some of them.
>
>Welcome to Shadowrun on the net, Fade. It's been like that since I can
>remember, and I've been doing it for over 8 years.

... it's like this all over the net, actually. Still doesn't mean one can't
point it out when it gets too bad, now does it? It's gotten a lot worse the
last two weeks, IMO; a few discussions is straight out ridiculous.
Message no. 6
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Opinions, views, and rules
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 21:02:16 +0000
And verily, didst Fade scribble thusly:
|Most, if not every post, argues the sense of this or that, and the
|discussion is in some cases growing heated and on the verge of name
|calling. There is a lot of rather heavy assumptions taken for granted
|in some of them.

Oh comw on!

We like the odd heated debate here...
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Message no. 7
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Opinions, views, and rules
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 21:42:04 +0000
|... it's like this all over the net, actually. Still doesn't mean one can't
|point it out when it gets too bad, now does it? It's gotten a lot worse the
|last two weeks, IMO; a few discussions is straight out ridiculous.
|

Ridiculous, maybe...
But they ARE still on topic...

<Evil Off-Topic posters cackle>
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a |
| | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit |
|Andrew Halliwell | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit |
|Principal Subjects in:- |microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that|
|Comp Sci & Electronics | can't stand 1 bit of competition. |
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|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |

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