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Message no. 1
From: cocheese <ZKLJ1@****.EAST-TENN-ST.EDU>
Subject: Optical Mag. Eyes
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 21:11:03 EDT
A friend told me that the optical magnification cyber eyes were incompatible
with thermographic vision. Is this true?

CoCheese
Message no. 2
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Optical Mag. Eyes
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:46:05 +0930
cocheese wrote:
>
> A friend told me that the optical magnification cyber eyes were incompatible
> with thermographic vision. Is this true?

Dunno why it would be. AFAIK, all cybereye mods are compatable, unless it
can't be done organically.

One problem I could see, though, is the resolution. Thermo vision isn't
very precise, anyway, and at any sort of magnification, I suspect you'd
just see blurs, not shapes, let alone lines and edges. But I don't know,
never having used any thermo gear.

--
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Message no. 3
From: cocheese <ZKLJ1@****.EAST-TENN-ST.EDU>
Subject: Re: Optical Mag. Eyes
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 21:24:32 EDT
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
cocheese wrote:
> A friend told me that the optical magnification cyber eyes were incompatible
> with thermographic vision. Is this true?
>Dunno why it would be. AFAIK, all cybereye mods are compatable, unless it
>can't be done organically.
>One problem I could see, though, is the resolution. Thermo vision isn't
>very precise, anyway, and at any sort of magnification, I suspect you'd
>just see blurs, not shapes, let alone lines and edges. But I don't know,
>never having used any thermo gear.
My friend's argument was that with the imaging of the thermo, it needed an
electronic method of vision or whatever, that is electric mag. eyes can do it.
I've used night vision and thermographic imaging devices, both personal and
those on a tank and I don't see why not. I was wondering if I'm wrong in the
use of the tech or if there was a rules decision on the topic.
CoCheese
Message no. 4
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Optical Mag. Eyes
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:05:11 +0930
cocheese wrote:
>
> My friend's argument was that with the imaging of the thermo, it needed an
> electronic method of vision or whatever, that is electric mag. eyes can do it.
> I've used night vision and thermographic imaging devices, both personal and
> those on a tank and I don't see why not. I was wondering if I'm wrong in the
> use of the tech or if there was a rules decision on the topic.
> CoCheese

No. Thermographic vision _can_ be done organically. It requires different
receptors in the eye to what native humans have got, but both Dwarves and
Trolls have natural thermographic vision. So either an organic or an
electronic approach is possible.

--
Robert Watkins bob@**.ntu.edu.au
Real Programmers never work 9 to 5. If any real programmers
are around at 9 am, it's because they were up all night.
*** Finger me for my geek code ***
Message no. 5
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Optical Mag. Eyes
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:01:22 +0200
>My friend's argument was that with the imaging of the thermo, it needed an
>electronic method of vision or whatever, that is electric mag. eyes can do it.
>I've used night vision and thermographic imaging devices, both personal and
>those on a tank and I don't see why not. I was wondering if I'm wrong in the
>use of the tech or if there was a rules decision on the topic.

I think you couldn't use thremographics with optical magnification if the
mag's lenses are glass. You'd have to find a material that is transparent to
both IR and visible light and your thermo would work with the optical mag.
I also think that that sort of material is standard in such cyberware. Or at
least in my game it is.


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Message no. 6
From: Dave Woods <spuwdsda@*******.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Optical Mag. Eyes
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:44:17 +0100
On Wed, 14 Jun 1995, Gurth wrote:

> >My friend's argument was that with the imaging of the thermo, it needed an
> >electronic method of vision or whatever, that is electric mag. eyes can do it.
> >I've used night vision and thermographic imaging devices, both personal and
> >those on a tank and I don't see why not. I was wondering if I'm wrong in the
> >use of the tech or if there was a rules decision on the topic.
>
> I think you couldn't use thremographics with optical magnification if the
> mag's lenses are glass. You'd have to find a material that is transparent to
> both IR and visible light and your thermo would work with the optical mag.

Diamond? KCl?

> I also think that that sort of material is standard in such cyberware. Or at
> least in my game it is.
>
>
> Gurth@******.nl - Gurth@***.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/%gurth/index.html
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>
In Real Life (tm) you would need a refridgeration system for the
thermographic detectors. How can they detect body heat when they are at
body temperature? If in SR they can get passed these problems they can do
anything. I don't think it's valid to start using Real Life science to a
fantasy game (even SF). If it works in the context of the game go for it.
Sod the science.

- David
Message no. 7
From: Paul Jonathan Adam <Paul@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Optical Mag. Eyes
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 19:09:35 GMT
> A friend told me that the optical magnification cyber eyes were incompatible
> with thermographic vision. Is this true?

Nothing in the rules to say so. While if you use glass it's opaque to
some IR, doubtless sixty years of advancing technology fixes that problem.
I can shoot IR film in my camera: depends which area you want to look in.
The (I think) 14-um band favoured for most modern thermal imagers uses
odd lens materials, but some may already be transparent.

Also, if you can have thermographic enhancement on a normal retina,
almost anything is possible! :-)

--
When you have shot and killed a man, you have defined your attitude towards
him. You have offered a definite answer to a definite problem. For better
or for worse, you have acted decisively.
In fact, the next move is up to him.

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 8
From: Duke Diener <DukeDragon@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Optical Mag. Eyes
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 23:49:19 -0400
In a message dated 95-06-13 21:13:20 EDT, CoCheese wrote:

>A friend told me that the optical magnification cyber eyes were incompatible
>with thermographic vision. Is this true?

No. The foward looking infrared camera on my aircraft can magnify the image
without any problem. Infrared light can be bent, split, or magnified just
like any other wavelength of light.

Duke (Rogue Dragon)

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