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Message no. 1
From: sedahdro@*****.com (Victor Rodriguez, Jr)
Subject: Otaku and Complex Forms
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 95 14:20 EST
Correct me if I am wrong, but the only complex forms an Otaku can create are
those that mimic operational utilities and complex forms to raise armor and
hardening. If this is correct, how do otaku fend themselves against IC (no
combat utilities). Also since they can't have a sleaze complex form because
sleaze is not an operational utility, their detection factor is half of
their masking. In order for them to have a decent detection factor they
would need a 12 charisma and a 12 willpower, this would give them a
detection factor of 6 and cost them a hell of a lot of karma! This means
that Otaku are easily detected, and really aren't as hot of deckers as VR2
leads us to believe. I just designed an Otaku to see how good they actually
are and he has a detecition factor of four, which for most systems a decker
would want to go into he would trigger a shutdown in matter of minutes.
---Sedah Drol
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Message no. 2
From: HALOWEEN JACK <SBC3KCB@*******.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Otaku and Complex Forms
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 10:40:48 GMT
In the case of the otaku I would say that the best thing ypu can do
is allow them to design the complex form of any programme they
want.i.e. combat and sleaze programme or as you say they are crap.
Message no. 3
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Otaku and Complex Forms
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 13:07:53 +0100
HALOWEEN JACK said on 4 Dec 95...

> In the case of the otaku I would say that the best thing ypu can do
> is allow them to design the complex form of any programme they
> want.i.e. combat and sleaze programme or as you say they are crap.

I was thinking of simply doubling the stats to make them more powerful.
Like, maximum MPCP would then be (Int + Wil + Cha) / 1.5, rounded up. That
way you can get an MPCP of 14 for a human otaku, more for elves and
dwarfs. It might be a bit powerful, but it sure makes the otaku much more
kick-ass deckers than they are now.

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Message no. 4
From: HALOWEEN JACK <SBC3KCB@*******.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Otaku and Complex Forms
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 13:42:30 GMT
I think that the ability to raise stats above racial max is
sufficient enough, as a standard human using the otaku rules
could have 12 int this is twice racial max and also bloody impressive.
Coupled with the use of an encephalon 14 int this can allow an mpcp
of 13 I believe plus the ability to use task pool. the use of complex
forms would be a better idea I think as a starting otaku could have a
fairlight excalibur very easily
Message no. 5
From: U-Gene <R3STG@***.CC.UAKRON.EDU>
Subject: Re: Otaku and Complex Forms
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 95 09:31:00 EST
Haloween Jack:
>using the otaku rules could have a 12 int this is twice the racial max
>and also bloody impressive. Coupled with encephalon 14 int this can
>allow an mpcp of 13 I believe plus the ability to use task pool.

WHEW! I'd say. But I don't think that's possible _without_ Encephalon
and Cerebral booster. There racial max _if_ they start with all 1's
in physical attributes and except half the racial max as their max (3),
then their maximums is increased by 2 not double. so their max for
unagmented int is 8. This is on page 144 of VR2 under Allocating Attributes:
"If a player allocates 1 point each to _all_ of the character's Physical
attributes and halves his racial maximums in those attributes (round
fractions up), he receives 2 extra Attribute Points to allocate to his
Mental Attributes any way he wishes. Also in this case, increase the
racial maximums for the character's Mental Attributes by a total of 2
rather than 1."

If I am missing something, let me know. (I didn't think it would be any
other way :)

U-Gene << wishes he had grown up as an otaku... >>
Message no. 6
From: sedahdro@*****.com (Victor Rodriguez, Jr)
Subject: Re: Otaku and Complex Forms
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 95 22:02 EST
>WHEW! I'd say. But I don't think that's possible _without_ Encephalon
>and Cerebral booster. There racial max _if_ they start with all 1's
>in physical attributes and except half the racial max as their max (3),
>then their maximums is increased by 2 not double. so their max for
>unagmented int is 8. This is on page 144 of VR2 under Allocating Attributes:
>"If a player allocates 1 point each to _all_ of the character's Physical
>attributes and halves his racial maximums in those attributes (round
>fractions up), he receives 2 extra Attribute Points to allocate to his
>Mental Attributes any way he wishes. Also in this case, increase the
>racial maximums for the character's Mental Attributes by a total of 2
>rather than 1."
>
>If I am missing something, let me know. (I didn't think it would be any
>other way :)
I belive the maximum you can raise an attribute is 1.5 times the racial
maximum (by using Karma) plus whatever cyber-bio-magic augmentation you
might have, so an otaku with what you said above would have a maximum of
eight for his mental, but he could raise it to 12 spending Karma.
---Sedah Drol
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Message no. 7
From: HALOWEEN JACK <SBC3KCB@*******.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Otaku and Complex Forms
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:48:02 GMT
I was referring to the ability of being able to raise stats upto 1.5
times racial max which then makes sense of what I wrote about being
able to have a mpcp of 12. Sorry about not explaining what I was
thinking about and I think it is fair as who would pay 18 karma to
raise their intelligence to 9.
Message no. 8
From: U-Gene <R3STG@***.CC.UAKRON.EDU>
Subject: Re: Otaku and Complex Forms
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 95 09:36:35 EST
Victor Rodriquez:
>I believe the maximum you can raise an attribute is 1.5 times the racial
>maximum [snip]

This is a house rule right? I must be the only person on this list
who doesn't use it. It's not hidden away in a sourcebook somewhere is it?

U-Gene << is feeling a bit inferior to the guy with Int of 15 >>
Message no. 9
From: Charles McKenzie <kilroy@**.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: Otaku and Complex Forms
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 10:36:21 -0600 (CST)
On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, U-Gene wrote:
> This is a house rule right? I must be the only person on this list
> who doesn't use it. It's not hidden away in a sourcebook somewhere is it=
?

As far as I can remember, it's an optional rule from SR2.

Chuck McKenzie ® kilroy@***.cs.wisc.edu
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Message no. 10
From: sedahdro@*****.com (Victor Rodriguez, Jr)
Subject: Re: Otaku and Complex Forms
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 95 21:12 EST
>>I believe the maximum you can raise an attribute is 1.5 times the racial
>>maximum [snip]
>
>This is a house rule right? I must be the only person on this list
>who doesn't use it. It's not hidden away in a sourcebook somewhere is it?
Check out page 190 of the SR2 rulebook in the Behind the Scenes section.
BTW this raising an attribute 1.5 times racial max is an optional rule at
least that is what the text says.
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Message no. 11
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Otaku and Complex Forms
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 11:34:14 +0100
U-Gene said on 6 Dec 95...

> >I believe the maximum you can raise an attribute is 1.5 times the racial
> >maximum [snip]
>
> This is a house rule right? I must be the only person on this list
> who doesn't use it. It's not hidden away in a sourcebook somewhere is it?

It's in SR2, somewhere in the section that talks about spending Karma to
increase your attributes. You can only use this rule if your GM approves,
though (but since you're the GM I don't see much problems ;)

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Message no. 12
From: seb@***.ripco.com (Sebastian Wiers)
Subject: Re: Otaku and Complex Forms
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 23:16:36 -0600 (CST)
>
> In the case of the otaku I would say that the best thing ypu can do
> is allow them to design the complex form of any programme they
> want.i.e. combat and sleaze programme or as you say they are crap.
>
I thought that was what complex forms were- is it not? they are Utilities of
any sort- just not persona/ mpcp or special, general porpose "chanell" type
programs.
BTW, are the only starting complex forms an Otaku gets those s/he programed
with the given time, or can they spend skill points on complex forms like on
chanells?
seb
Message no. 13
From: HALOWEEN JACK <SBC3KCB@*******.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Otaku and Complex Forms
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 11:56:02 GMT
> Date sent: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:34:44 -0500
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> From: U-Gene <R3STG@***.CC.UAKRON.EDU>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <shadowrn@********.itribe.net>
> Subject: Re: Otaku and Complex Forms

> Victor Rodriquez:
> >I believe the maximum you can raise an attribute is 1.5 times the racial
> >maximum [snip]
>
> This is a house rule right? I must be the only person on this list
> who doesn't use it. It's not hidden away in a sourcebook somewhere is it?
>
> U-Gene << is feeling a bit inferior to the guy with Int of 15 >>
>
If I am right and I am not sure then it is not a house rule but is in
the SR2 book near or in the section that goes on about how fixers
work and NPC threat ratings
Message no. 14
From: sedahdro@*****.com (Victor Rodriguez, Jr)
Subject: Re: Otaku and Complex Forms
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 95 12:28 EST
>I thought that was what complex forms were- is it not? they are Utilities of
>any sort- just not persona/ mpcp or special, general porpose "chanell" type
>programs.
The text says that an Otaku can make any operational utility into a complex
form. It doesn't menition , combat, defensive, or special utilities.
---Sedah Drol
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