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From:	Logan Graves <logan1@*****.INTERCOM.NET>
Subject:	Otaku question
Date:	Fri, 3 Oct 1997 22:55:13 -0400

Message no. 1 Okay, we've all accepted (more or less) the idea of these neonatal,
Matrix, wild-talents, operating out of the Denver Data Haven.

My question is, where did their name come from?

Yes, I'm aware that the word, "otaku," along with "taku," both mean
'house' or 'home' in Japanese.

But what does this have to do with decking sans-deck?
(Inquiring wolves wanna know ;-)

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From:	"Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject:	Re: Otaku question
Date:	Sat, 4 Oct 1997 00:47:11 -0400

Message no. 2 >My question is, where did their name come from?
>
>Yes, I'm aware that the word, "otaku," along with "taku," both
mean
>'house' or 'home' in Japanese.
>
>But what does this have to do with decking sans-deck?
>(Inquiring wolves wanna know ;-)

IIRC there exists in Japan today a class of people called Otaku.
In general the Otaku are predominantly male, and fit the stereotype of what
we might call a "Socially-handicapped geek"
These kids mainly have jobs that they can either telecommute to, or work on
a computer all day.
For kicks they mainly watch Anime and play video games.
Most have NO social life, and some never even leave the house.
There's little they can't do on a computer/video game, but they have
absolutely NO social skills at all.

FASA kindof adjusted that to fit the world of 2058.

If you're interested in more of what the current Otaku find cool, try doing
a word search on otaku.
I managed to find a few links on http://www.hotbot.com

Steven A. Tinner
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From:	Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Otaku question
Date:	Mon, 6 Oct 1997 08:57:15 +0000

Message no. 3 > IIRC there exists in Japan today a class of people called Otaku.
> In general the Otaku are predominantly male, and fit the stereotype of what
> we might call a "Socially-handicapped geek"
> For kicks they mainly watch Anime and play video games.

All the info I've dug up indicates the Anime connection is the
strongest. The best slang definition of otaku for today I'd guess is
"Anime fanatic". The "computer geek" explanation offered in
Denver/Vr2.0 claims to be from the 70's. I haven't been able to
confirm or deny this (no one records slang, dangit!)

-=SwiftOne=-
Brett Borger
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AAP Techie

From:	"Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject:	Re: Otaku question
Date:	Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:19:49 -0400

Message no. 4 Steven A. Tinner[SMTP:bluewizard@*****.COM] wrote:
> >My question is, where did their name come from?
> >
> >Yes, I'm aware that the word, "otaku," along with "taku,"
both mean
> >'house' or 'home' in Japanese.
>
> IIRC there exists in Japan today a class of people called Otaku.

"Otaku" is generally an insult in japanese - akin to "geek", but
it means something closer to "obsessed", IIRC.

> In general the Otaku are predominantly male, and fit the stereotype of what
> we might call a "Socially-handicapped geek"

Eh, more or less... Depends on which class of otaku you're referring
to. There's the plain vanilla otaku (general insult), and then there's

> These kids mainly have jobs that they can either telecommute to, or work on
> a computer all day.
> For kicks they mainly watch Anime and play video games.

Anime otaku. In this case, "otaku" is more like "addict". I'm an
anime otaku, myself. This is the other class of otaku - this is the
group to which "otaku" is a compliment, not an insult. It indicates
a passion for anime and a fair amount of experience with it.

> Most have NO social life, and some never even leave the house.
> There's little they can't do on a computer/video game, but they have
> absolutely NO social skills at all.

Well, I'll have to disagree here. I do have a few social skills... ;-)
And with the money I'm making working with computers, I should be able
to afford a life anytime now. :-)

The FASA meaning isn't too relevant to the current meaning - it's wildly
extrapolated. But then, nobody says "chummer" nowadays.

James Ojaste

From:	Tobias Berghoff <Zixx@*****.TEUTO.DE>
Subject:	Re: Otaku question
Date:	Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:54:00 GMT

Message no. 5 on 03.10.97 logan1@*****.INTERCOM.NET wrote:

l> Okay, we've all accepted (more or less) the idea of these neonatal,
l> Matrix, wild-talents, operating out of the Denver Data Haven.
l>
l> My question is, where did their name come from?
l>
l> Yes, I'm aware that the word, "otaku," along with "taku," both
mean
l> 'house' or 'home' in Japanese.
l>
l> But what does this have to do with decking sans-deck?
l> (Inquiring wolves wanna know ;-)

The word otaku doesn't only mean 'house' or 'home', but also 'fan' or even
'freak'. A jazz-otaku is someone who spends all his money and time on jazz-
music, so a matrix-otaku is someone who spends all his time and money on
computers and matrix-technology.

Hope it helps

Tobias Berghoff a.k.a Zixx a.k.a. Charon, your friendly werepanther physad.

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From:	Oliver McDonald oliver@*********.com
Subject:	Otaku Question:
Date:	Wed, 09 Jun 1999 17:42:37 -0700 (PDT)

Message no. 6 The otaku rules state that racial maximums for mental attributes are raised by one, and
physical attributes reduced by one. This is fairly obvious, and it is obvious that Int,
and
willpower are mental, and body, strength and quickness are physical. Is charisma
physical or mental?

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From robert.watkins@******.com Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:49:20 +1000
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:49:20 +1000
From:

From:	Robert Watkins robert.watkins@******.com
Subject:	Otaku Question:
Date:	Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:49:20 +1000

Message no. 7 > The otaku rules state that racial maximums for mental attributes
> are raised by one, and
> physical attributes reduced by one. This is fairly obvious, and
> it is obvious that Int, and
> willpower are mental, and body, strength and quickness are
> physical. Is charisma
> physical or mental?

As per the rulebook, Charisma is a mental attribute. Though why they think a
bunch of computer geeks are a charismatic lot, I don't know... ;)

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From sparrow@***.net.au Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:16:10 +1000
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:16:10 +1000
From: Aaron

From:	Sven De Herdt Sven.DeHerdt@***********.be
Subject:	Otaku Question:
Date:	Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:01:51 +0200

Message no. 8 On Thursday, June 10, 1999 2:49 AM, Robert Watkins
[SMTP:robert.watkins@******.com] wrote:
>
> As per the rulebook, Charisma is a mental attribute. Though why they
think a
> bunch of computer geeks are a charismatic lot, I don't know... ;)
>

(IMHO) charismatic people/beings tend to have much more influence, power
over others, possibilities,... in order to get things done, to obtain
items,... Normally it comes naturally, but a lot of practice might help
to improve such an ability.

Since Otaku 'live' in the matrix and since the matrix is based upon
interaction with other, I would say that Otaku have a 'lifetime' of
experience in social interaction and might be quite charismatic.
Of course the experiences are build up in the matrix, but since this is
just another kind of reality, the 'charismatic techniques/appearance'
should work in the real world as well.

Just a thought

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From Starrngr@***.com Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:06:59 EDT
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:06:59 EDT
From: Starrngr@***

From:	Starrngr@*.com Starrngr@*.com
Subject:	Otaku Question:
Date:	Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:06:59 EDT

Message no. 9 > (IMHO) charismatic people/beings tend to have much more influence, power
> over others, possibilities,... in order to get things done, to obtain
> items,... Normally it comes naturally, but a lot of practice might help
> to improve such an ability.
>
Indeed, Sven brings out the key point about what Charisma is. It often has
little or nothing to do with physical attractiveness, but does have a LOT to
do with force of personality.

For example, Hitler was short and not very good looking, but he convinced a
whole nation to follow him into a world war.

Pamela Anderson, on the other hand, looks great but probobly couldnt convince
someone to do anything unless he thought he might get a "physical" reward.

From dghost@****.com Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:53:33 -0500
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:53:33 -0500
From: dghost@**

From:	dghost@**.com dghost@**.com
Subject:	Otaku Question:
Date:	Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:53:33 -0500

Message no. 10 So, you're saying that someone who is a cyberphile to the point of
alienness would make a superb leader?

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From decor.consulting@***.servicom.es Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:37:22 +0200
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:37:22 +020

From:	Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject:	Otaku Question:
Date:	Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:52:34 +0200

Message no. 11 > The otaku rules state that racial maximums for mental attributes are
> raised by one, and physical attributes reduced by one. This is fairly
> obvious, and it is obvious that Int, and willpower are mental, and
> body, strength and quickness are physical. Is charisma physical or
> mental?

It's a mental attribute. The first three are physical attributes, the next
three mental, and all the others are "special attributes." Doesn't SR3
mention this? Ah, yes, it does: pages 40 and 41 show which attribute is
which.

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From gurth@******.nl Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:52:34 +0200
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:52:34 +0200
From: Gurth gur

From:	Sven De Herdt Sven.DeHerdt@***********.be
Subject:	Otaku Question:
Date:	Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:28:33 +0200

Message no. 12 On Thursday, June 10, 1999 10:54 AM, dghost@****.com
[SMTP:dghost@****.com] wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:06:59 EDT Starrngr@***.com writes:
> <SNIP>
> >Indeed, Sven brings out the key point about what Charisma is. It
often
> has
> >little or nothing to do with physical attractiveness, but does have a
> LOT to
> >do with force of personality.
> >
> >For example, Hitler was short and not very good looking, but he
> convinced a
> >whole nation to follow him into a world war.
> >
> >Pamela Anderson, on the other hand, looks great but probobly couldnt
> convince
> >someone to do anything unless he thought he might get a "physical"
> reward.
>
> So, you're saying that someone who is a cyberphile to the point of
> alienness would make a superb leader?
>
> --
> D. Ghost

Nope, I agree on the cyberphile part, but not on the alieness. Because
of the nature of the matrix you will meet and interact with people,
beings, and others... the same way as you do in reality. So by doing
this you would really 'train' your charismatic/leadership skills because
you are actually socializing with 'living' and thinking beings.
Since Otaku spend most of their time in the matrix, it is presumable
that a lot of their time is dedicated to interaction with others (in the
matrix) and thereby would receive a very intense training/exercise in
their charismatic skills (IMHO).

*just my humble thoughts*

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From rjakins@****.murdoch.edu.au Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:36:22 +0800
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:36:22 +0800
Fro

From:	arclight arclight@**************.com
Subject:	Otaku Question:
Date:	Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:23:48 +0200

Message no. 13 > -----Original Message-----
> From: shadowrn-admin@*********.org
> [mailto:shadowrn-admin@*********.org]On Behalf Of Starrngr@***.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 10:07 AM
> To: shadowrn@*********.org
> Subject: Re: Otaku Question:

> For example, Hitler was short and not very good looking, but he
> convinced a
> whole nation to follow him into a world war.

And even worse, he was an austrian leading germany...

arclight

From cyberraven@********.net Wed, 09 Jun 1999 15:29:17 -0400
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 15:29:17 -0400
From: I

From:	Strago strago@***.com
Subject:	Otaku Question:
Date:	Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:55:02 -0400

Message no. 14 > In a message dated 6/10/99 1:02:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> Sven.DeHerdt@***********.be writes:
>
> > (IMHO) charismatic people/beings tend to have much more influence, power
> > over others, possibilities,... in order to get things done, to obtain
> > items,... Normally it comes naturally, but a lot of practice might help
> > to improve such an ability.
> >
> Indeed, Sven brings out the key point about what Charisma is. It often has
> little or nothing to do with physical attractiveness, but does have a LOT to
> do with force of personality.
>
> For example, Hitler was short and not very good looking, but he convinced a
> whole nation to follow him into a world war.
>
> Pamela Anderson, on the other hand, looks great but probobly couldnt convince
> someone to do anything unless he thought he might get a "physical" reward.

Plus, aren't most Otaku children? So, wouldn't the cuteness of the kiddies
play in their favor as well? I don't know of anyone who'd be able to turn down a
kid who's close to tears...

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From alvion@****.uni2.dk Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:54:10 +0100
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:54:10 +0100
From: Carst

From:	dghost@**.com dghost@**.com
Subject:	Otaku Question:
Date:	Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:43:37 -0500

Message no. 15 I keep thinking back to a bit of IC dialogue in VR2. IIRC, several otaku
were talking with several non-otaku. The otaku were conversing in a
slang that the others didn't appear to understand. However, I got the
impression that the otaku were being derogatory towards the non-otaku.
The exchange in RA:S paints a different picture but doesn't neccisarily
contradict the above. It is my belief that otaku, in general, treat
non-otaku with disdain. As such they don't play well with others. This
would be represented by, if it were possible, a specialization of
charisma in otaku, (ie, 4 charisma normally, 6 among otaku) as well as
bonuses for otaku-otaku relations and penalties for otaku-non-otaku
relations.

Additionally, I see the netcommunity (RL and SR) as a place where, in
general, a user can relax and unwind. I don't think it is a place where
social skills are honed. I can think of two main web social
interactions: tolerant and intolerant. This may seem obvious but what I
mean is that in internet discussion, if successful social interaction
does not spontaneously occur, either any attempt at civility is dropped
or successful interaction is achieved through patience on the parts of
those involved rather than their social skills.

Despite the blurring of the line now, I still see there being a
distinction in SR between computer users and true computer geeks. I see
otaku as a faction of deckers that does not get along well with the
larger whole.

--
D. Ghost
(aka Pixel)
"Hello, my name is Stephen. This is Dick. He'll see if he has something
your size." -- Jug Ears

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From iscottw@*****.nb.ca Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:58:13 -0300
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:58:13 -0300
From: Scott

From:	Quindrael d.n.m.vannederveen@****.warande.ruu.nl
Subject:	Otaku Question:
Date:	Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:36:52 +0200

Message no. 16 >Additionally, I see the netcommunity (RL and SR) as a place where, in
>general, a user can relax and unwind.

A friend of mine is in RL very shy, unassertive and introvert. This makes
him seem not very charismatic to others (though they might _like_ him, he
still doesn't mean a lot to them and he is absolutely not the type to try
chis Charisma on others). He talks very little, just listens to
conversations and discussions, and only rarely says something (though what
he says is always right in the middle).

But on the internet... he suddenly becomes well-spoken, very assertive,
"speaks" a lot, and somehow really is in one word... charismatic. He gets
people to follow him (if only it is for a Live Roleplaying event), defend
him, listen to him, respect him, apologize to him etc.
On the internet he has no problems with his shyness, which is his main
"problem" in RL.
So I think being very socially on the net doesn't say a thing about how you
are in RL and vice versa. On the other hand, there's a difference between
the anonymous internet of today and the Virtual Reality of 2060...

VrGr David

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From timburke@*******.com.au Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:44:59 +1000
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:44:59 +1000
From: M

From:	Josh grimlakin@****.com
Subject:	Otaku Question:
Date:	Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:17:28 -0500

Message no. 17 > On Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:06:59 EDT Starrngr@***.com writes:
> <SNIP>
> >Indeed, Sven brings out the key point about what Charisma is. It often
> has
> >little or nothing to do with physical attractiveness, but does have a
> LOT to
> >do with force of personality.
> >
> >For example, Hitler was short and not very good looking, but he
> convinced a
> >whole nation to follow him into a world war.
> >
> >Pamela Anderson, on the other hand, looks great but probobly couldnt
> convince
> >someone to do anything unless he thought he might get a "physical"
> reward.
>
> So, you're saying that someone who is a cyberphile to the point of
> alienness would make a superb leader?

Hey it makes sense to me. :)

> D. Ghost

Josh

From grimlakin@****.com Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:43:11 -0500
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:43:11 -0500
From: Josh grim

From:	Geoffrey Haacke knight_errant30@*******.com
Subject:	Otaku Question:
Date:	Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:39:24 CST

Message no. 18 >I keep thinking back to a bit of IC dialogue in VR2. IIRC, several >otaku
>were talking with several non-otaku. The otaku were conversing >in a slang
>that the others didn't appear to understand. However, I >got the
>impression that the otaku were being derogatory towards the >non-otaku.
>The exchange in RA:S paints a different picture but >doesn't neccisarily
>contradict the above. It is my belief that >otaku, in general, treat
>non-otaku with disdain. As such they don't >play well with others. This
>would be represented by, if it were >possible, a specialization of charisma
>in otaku, (ie, 4 charisma >normally, 6 among otaku) as well as bonuses for
>otaku-otaku relations >and penalties for otaku-non-otaku relations.

A good example of otaku behaviour is "Tecnobabel" by Steve Kenson. I shows
(somewhat) how an otaku is "made", and their attitudes towards
"normal"
deckers.

>D. Ghost
>(aka Pixel)
>"Hello, my name is Stephen. This is Dick. He'll see if he has something
>your size." -- Jug Ears

Geoff Haacke
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From arcady@***.net Thu, 10 Jun 99 10:54:17 +700
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 99 10:54:17 +700
From: Arcady arcady@***.n

From:	Arcady arcady@***.net
Subject:	Otaku Question:
Date:	Thu, 10 Jun 99 11:52:56 +700

Message no. 19 Even the modern Net/Web is showing that the people with Charisma are the ones
with the most influence. Raw technical skill is becoming less and less important
in place of Charisma just like in the physical world.

The Matrix would likely follow that pattern even more. And of course the people
with losts of Charisma AND technical prodigical ability are going to be at the
top of the 'food chain'.

From dhinkley@***.org Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:01:26 -0700
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:01:26 -0700
From: David Hinkl

From:	Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject:	Otaku Question:
Date:	Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:50:59 -0500

Message no. 20 Leadership requires skills (Leadership and Etiquette skills). Otaku may
have a good Charisma, but with a +4 to default, they won't be social wizzes.
Yes, they do have a better social potential; they probably would tend to be
very manipulative and insightful, both of which are aspects of charisma, and
both of which are useful to learning to cope socially. But most Otaku would
not start with really high skills in any social area, with the exceptions of
matrix and street etiquette.
Besides, everybody knows hackers are cool, and wants to be their friend,
right? That's charisma in action; even if you HATE hackers, you acknowledge
the fact that they have social power by buying into that image of power.

Mongoose

From m0ng005e@*********.com Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:45:59 -0500
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:45:59 -0500
From: Mongoo

From:	dghost@**.com dghost@**.com
Subject:	Otaku Question:
Date:	Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:20:12 -0500

Message no. 21 --
D. Ghost
(aka Pixel)
"Hello, my name is Stephen. This is Dick. He'll see if he has something
your size." -- Jug Ears

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From docwagon101@*****.com Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:59:20 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:59:20 -0700 (PDT)
F

From:	John Velasco decor.consulting@***.servicom.es
Subject:	Otaku Question:
Date:	Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:19:29 +0200

Message no. 22 At 11:39 10/06/99 CST, Geoffrey Haacke wrote:

>A good example of otaku behaviour is "Tecnobabel" by Steve Kenson. I shows
>(somewhat) how an otaku is "made", and their attitudes towards
"normal"
>deckers.

Or you could take a look at "Psychotrope" by Lisa Smedman for a less mistic
view of Otaku creation.

BioNick.

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From Sven.DeHerdt@***********.be Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:49:46 +0200
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:49:46 +0200
From: S

From:	Arclight arclight@*********.de
Subject:	Otaku Question
Date:	Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:53:18 +0100

Message no. 23 In some shadowrun book, there's a section
where a corporate Johnson (from Fuchi or Renraku
IIRC) gives a new Johnson first information on
how to deal with runners he wants to employ.
The attacked shadowtalk says that the file
was copied from IIRC a "Omega Security" server,
and that the "Omega" means a dedicated crypto
circuit built into all attached hardware. When
copying Omega data to non Omega hardware the data
is lost, especially as your deck or other system
will get fried.

My question: what happens when an Otaku
jacks into such a system and his ASIST converter
doesn't have the circuit?

thanx,
arclight

From:	Ray and Tamara macey@***.com.au
Subject:	Otaku Question
Date:	Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:21:20 +1000

Message no. 24 ----- Original Message -----
From: Arclight <arclight@*********.de>
To: Shadowrn <shadowrn@*********.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 9:53 AM
Subject: Otaku Question

> My question: what happens when an Otaku
> jacks into such a system and his ASIST converter
> doesn't have the circuit?

Basically he could look around to his hearts content (excluding enemy
deckers and IC trying to kill him), as I don't see any reason the actual
simsense feed would be encrypted. But anything on the system would be
inaccessible, unless he had the right crypto chip and some offline storage.

NightRain.

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From:	Da Twink Daddy datwinkdaddy@*******.com
Subject:	Otaku Question
Date:	Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:56:36 -0600 (CST)

Message no. 25 Tomorrow, Arclight spoke on Otaku Question:

> My question: what happens when an Otaku
> jacks into such a system and his ASIST converter
> doesn't have the circuit?

I would say his ASSIST will be very damaged, and he will be exposed to
Dump shock + a (Suecurity Level)D Stun damage at the same time (some wound
modifier from either don't effect the other.)

That's not cannon at all but it represents the fact that the Omega
security attempts to fry circuits. Alternatively, you could go more in
depth as say he sufferes Rip-IC to each of his Persona attribute at 1/2
the security level in rating, then gets hit by a blaster type attack of at
least that rating.

Other options come to mind but, you get the point, otaku won't be immune
just because they are otaku.

Da Twink Daddy
e-mail: bss03@*******.uark.edu
ICQ: 514984

From:	Sebastian Wiers m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject:	Otaku Question
Date:	Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:24:48 -0600

Message no. 26 : In some shadowrun book, there's a section
:where a corporate Johnson (from Fuchi or Renraku
:IIRC) gives a new Johnson first information on
:how to deal with runners he wants to employ.
: The attacked shadowtalk says that the file
:was copied from IIRC a "Omega Security" server,
:and that the "Omega" means a dedicated crypto
:circuit built into all attached hardware. When
:copying Omega data to non Omega hardware the data
:is lost, especially as your deck or other system
:will get fried.
:
: My question: what happens when an Otaku
:jacks into such a system and his ASIST converter
:doesn't have the circuit?

I'd say any encryption would have to be scramble ICE, and any damage to
a deck, icon, or an Otaku's living persona, would have to be played as per
the normal rules. Cyberdecks and related constructs are intended to be able
"travel" anywhere in the matrix info can, being very hard to stop. If the
system were truly so mammothly encrypted, how does it communicate with the
matrix? If there is a command that runs the encryption hardware, wouldn't
the Decker be able to subvert it?
Such a system would probably have quite high acifs, though, as well as a
lot of ice and a nice warm color. Having an appropriate encryption chip
would just act as a valid passcode that bypasses the need for certain
operations and the effects of some ICE.

Mongoose

From:	Paul Gettle RunnerPaul@*****.com
Subject:	Otaku Question
Date:	Mon, 08 Nov 1999 23:55:11 -0500

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At 09:24 PM 11/8/99 -0600, Sebastian Wiers wrote:
:I'd say any encryption would have to be scramble ICE, and any damage
: to a deck, icon, or an Otaku's living persona, would have to be
:played as per the normal rules. Cyberdecks and related constructs
:are intended to be able "travel" anywhere in the matrix info can,
:being very hard to stop. If the system were truly so mammothly
:encrypted, how does it communicate with the matrix? If there is a
:command that runs the encryption hardware, wouldn't the Decker be
:able to subvert it?

Well, here's the original sourcebook quote in question:
"The prefix OME stands for "Omega," which is the highest-rated
security level Fuchi uses (that we know of). Anything with Omega
clearance is kept on-site in a closed system. It cannot be
transferred to a system that doesn't have Omega status. If anyone
attempts to do so, the internal code destroys the file and tries to
take down the non-Omega system (your cyberdeck). Omega systems have
special circuitry hardwired into all optical chips, datalines, etc.
that integrate with all files. So attempting to copy the RAD.doc file
to a local system will only result in much fuss and lost nuyen. Don't
bother trying."
-- p.55 Shadowrun Companion (revised for third edition); also
appears in previous edition on different page number.

How does it communicate with the matrix? Short answer: it doesn't.
:)
As for subverting the command that runs the encryption hardware, with
the level of hardware integration they seem to be suggesting, I'd
imagine it'd be like telling the circuit logics to compute just using
just ones, and not zeros and ones. It's a system standard designed
from the bare metal on up around the best encryption a megacorp can
buy.

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From:	Ereskanti@*.com Ereskanti@*.com
Subject:	Otaku Question
Date:	Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:34:06 EST

Message no. 28 In a message dated 11/8/1999 6:53:34 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
arclight@*********.de writes:

>
> My question: what happens when an Otaku
> jacks into such a system and his ASIST converter
> doesn't have the circuit?

They still make the normal Access tests, as per the rules. UNLESS of course
you want to *require* the Otaku have such a toy.

-K
[Hoosier Hacker House]
[http://members.aol.com/hhackerh/index.html]
ICQ#-51511837

From:	dghost@**.com dghost@**.com
Subject:	Otaku Question
Date:	Tue, 9 Nov 1999 02:08:27 -0800

Message no. 29 On Mon, 08 Nov 1999 23:55:11 -0500 Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.com>
writes:
<SNIP>
> Well, here's the original sourcebook quote in question:
> "The prefix OME stands for "Omega," which is the highest-rated
> security level Fuchi uses (that we know of). Anything with Omega
> clearance is kept on-site in a closed system. It cannot be
> transferred to a system that doesn't have Omega status. If anyone
> attempts to do so, the internal code destroys the file and tries to
> take down the non-Omega system (your cyberdeck). Omega systems have
> special circuitry hardwired into all optical chips, datalines, etc.
> that integrate with all files. So attempting to copy the RAD.doc file
> to a local system will only result in much fuss and lost nuyen.
> Don't
> bother trying."
> -- p.55 Shadowrun Companion (revised for third edition); also
> appears in previous edition on different page number.
<SNIP>

Okies. Do you want to know if an otaku can get into that? Od do you want
to know how an otaku could get into that?

Don't know for sure about the first question, but the for the second
question, how about building a hardware emulator as a complex form? ...
that would get the otaku in, but to actual save any files, the otaku
would have to build an Omega system to store them.

--
D. Ghost
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx

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From:	Arclight arclight@*********.de
Subject:	Otaku Question
Date:	Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:28:53 +0100

Message no. 30 And finally, dghost expressed himself by writing:

<snip>

Thanx Paul for supplying the quote; I thought it is
in Corporate Security, what a surprise I couldn't find it :)

> Okies. Do you want to know if an otaku can get into that? Od do you want
> to know how an otaku could get into that?

Well, I think he'll jack into it without knowing. So
what happens then? Is his brain attacked? Or can he savely
search the system but will get attacked when he tries to
download? And what kind of damage would the system deal out
then?

arclight

From:	Arclight arclight@*********.de
Subject:	Otaku Question
Date:	Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:15:25 +0100

Message no. 31 And finally, dghost expressed himself by writing:

<snip>

Thanx Paul for supplying the quote; I thought it is
in Corporate Security, what a surprise I couldn't find it :)

> Okies. Do you want to know if an otaku can get into that? Od
> do you want to know how an otaku could get into that?

Well, I think he'll jack into it without knowing. So
what happens then? Is his brain attacked? Or can he savely
search the system but will get attacked when he tries to
download? And what kind of damage would the system deal out
then?

FYI, I was unsure if this mail made it to the list,
so I've just reposted it to get answers :)

arclight

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