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Message no. 1
From: Wraith <wraith@************.COM>
Subject: Otaku Questions
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:12:29 -0500
I was rereading VR2 the other day, and decided it would be interesting to
make an Otaku (Ok, I admit it, I also had just finished Technobabel <G>)
Anyway, there was a discussion a few weeks ago about the different type of
Datajacks, and what, if anything they did. Most of the responses said that
the newer datajacks only made a difference for C2 decks. What about Otaku?
I'd assume that would also be the case.

The second question I have, is that Utilities for Otaku are called complex
forms, and cost Karma to make. Otaku start out with only 5K in resources
despite assigning A (Or B if you're a Metahuman) to resources.
Mages/Shamans use Force points to create their beginning spells and use them
to simulate Karma to bond Foci at the time of creation. Would Otaku also
use these Force points to create complex forms? And if so, would they use
the amount that they get for assigning A/B to priorities, or would they use
the amount that usually comes with 5K of resources?

Wraith
Message no. 2
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Otaku Questions
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:26:27 -0500
> The second question I have, is that Utilities for Otaku are called complex
> forms, and cost Karma to make. Otaku start out with only 5K in resources
> despite assigning A (Or B if you're a Metahuman) to resources.
> Mages/Shamans use Force points to create their beginning spells and use them
> to simulate Karma to bond Foci at the time of creation. Would Otaku also
> use these Force points to create complex forms? And if so, would they use
> the amount that they get for assigning A/B to priorities, or would they use
> the amount that usually comes with 5K of resources?

Not really knowing anything at all about Otaku (my younger brother has VR 2.0
for me, but I forgot it at home), I would say that, yes, they do use the force
points in that way, and that they gain the force points for their actual level
of resources. But, please note that that is a completely uninformed opinion.

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Message no. 3
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Otaku Questions
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:01:12 EDT
In a message dated 4/10/98 12:12:43 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
wraith@************.COM writes:

> I was rereading VR2 the other day, and decided it would be interesting to
> make an Otaku (Ok, I admit it, I also had just finished Technobabel <G>)
> Anyway, there was a discussion a few weeks ago about the different type of
> Datajacks, and what, if anything they did. Most of the responses said that
> the newer datajacks only made a difference for C2 decks. What about Otaku?
> I'd assume that would also be the case.

Don't make too many assumptions. Yes, we have questioned it here, and I know
similar questions have been asked elsewhere in the list. We don't think that
Datajack's assist an Otaku, as per the rules in VR2 mention that the
"Resonance" does things to 'em (Datajacks) already. An Otaku with a DJ Lvl 1
would have the same 'thru-put' speeds as they would with a DJ Lvl 4 (LOTS).

We have however wondered about what would happen with other stuff, like the
SPU (I/O), and the Encephalon. Sure, the automatic/obvious advantages are
evident, but beyond that, we are wondering if the "Resonance" does anything
more.

Mostly, it's up to the GM in question, as always.

> The second question I have, is that Utilities for Otaku are called complex
> forms, and cost Karma to make. Otaku start out with only 5K in resources
> despite assigning A (Or B if you're a Metahuman) to resources.
> Mages/Shamans use Force points to create their beginning spells and use
them
> to simulate Karma to bond Foci at the time of creation. Would Otaku also
> use these Force points to create complex forms? And if so, would they use
> the amount that they get for assigning A/B to priorities, or would they use
> the amount that usually comes with 5K of resources?

That was the general idea, yes. It has caused more than a few people (NOT ME
THIS TIME) to wonder if that means Otaku really were Mages in the Matrix
(sigh). We just know the difference in parallel character creation methods
vs. parallel archetypes. At least for now we do.

-K
Message no. 4
From: Wafflemeisters <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: Otaku Questions
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 04:59:59 -0500
> Re: Otaku Questions (Ereskanti , Fri 9:01)
>
> In a message dated 4/10/98 12:12:43 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> wraith@************.COM writes:
>
> > I was rereading VR2 the other day, and decided it would be interesting to
> > make an Otaku (Ok, I admit it, I also had just finished Technobabel <G>)
> > Anyway, there was a discussion a few weeks ago about the different type of
Datajacks, and what, if anything they did. Most of the responses said that the newer
datajacks only made a difference for C2 decks. What about Otaku? I'd assume that would
also be the case.
>
> Don't make too many assumptions. Yes, we have questioned it here, and I know similar
questions have been asked elsewhere in the list. We don't think that Datajack's assist
an Otaku, as per the rules in VR2 mention that the
"Resonance" does things to 'em (Datajacks) already. An Otaku with a DJ
Lvl 1 would have the same 'thru-put' speeds as they would with a DJ Lvl
4 (LOTS).
>

I've got to agree here. Why else would the otaku living persona have
an I/O speed? It is FAR in excess of any jack speed!

Also not properly discused is the otaku's "storage memory" and whether
he need to pay starting cash for a datajack. I'd say s/he gets 'em both
for free (the memory being an organic function, not cyber) and in any
desired quantity. All the fiction would imply both.

I'd also seriously consider giving any otaku the "mysterious cyberware"
and maybe "cortex bomb" flaws- you never know what his weird little
buddies might have had a doctor put into his growing skull along with
all the jacks, and who / what might want him dead and when.

Also when FASA rele4s3sssss ..#*~2 ?.......
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
<Acsses to memory *Data Locked*. Intiating simsense conditioning
reinforcement >
AAARGGHHHH! AAAAAAAARGHHHH! THE BATS!

Hmm, what was about to say?


> > The second question I have, is that Utilities for Otaku are called complex
forms, and cost Karma to make. Otaku start out with only 5K in resources despite
assigning A (Or B if you're a Metahuman) to resources.
> > Mages/Shamans use Force points to create their beginning spells and use them to
simulate Karma to bond Foci at the time of creation. Would Otaku also use these Force
points to create complex forms? And if so, would they use the amount that they get for
assigning A/B to priorities, or would they use the amount that usually comes with 5K of
resources?
>
> That was the general idea, yes. It has caused more than a few people (NOT ME THIS
TIME) to wonder if that means Otaku really were Mages in the Matrix
(sigh). We just know the difference in parallel character creation
methods
> vs. parallel archetypes. At least for now we do.
>

Nope, I can't agree that they get "force points" or any other karma for
utilities. As written in VR2.0, they don't need them- they get
programing time, and any programs started in that time don't cost karma.
To keep this reasonable (so starting otaku don't have a single "pulse"
<g> of every program at every rating started just to avoidkarma costs),
I'd say the 'tacky has do do one "succes" worth of programing before
moving onto the next program. So say he starts on aprogramthat will
take 4.5 days, and rolls 5 succeses. Then he has to spend .9 days (4.5
/ 5) working on it before starting another. However, making your own
form rolls also potentially allows you to start with forms over rating
6, since you are not buying gear.
A stricter limit would be hehas to FINISH the pragraming before s/e can
start another (in the character creation programing days)- this would
keep otaku character genration time to a minimum- less to roll and
record. I think this is what VR2.0 intended them to do for starting
forms.
Looking at the time given otaku, you might think this doesn't allow
much. They get a bitchen task bonus, but still....basically, it would
let you get a slew of 1-3's, a good bit of 4's, and a couple 5-8's (i'm
guessing)
Well, you NEED a good sleaze- make a rating 1, then a 2, then a 3,
upgrading the program each time. This keeps your time low, allowing
some MP's to be programmed with a real low TN, and ensures you will at
least have some sleaze. Once youv'e spent about half your time (you
should have a decent sleaze by then, if not stellar), start a few other
programs, maybe doing a moderte level cloak the same way. You can
probably survive without an attack, if you have a boss sleaze and cloak,
and finish it (and maybe the other forms) during game time. Low force
forms would beones like cammo, armor,and such thatdon't get resited in
tests but affect TN's. An otaku might do some harm with rating 1 d
"targeted" attacks, and a rating 1 black hammer is still a black
hammer...
The alternative, spending 50 force, gives you a dreckload of forms, and
you should put some limit on thier rating (software skill con. is the
limit on programing levels). On the other hand, I hate rolling dice for
character gen, so I haven't actually done a 'tacky the way I think the
book intends and seen how many rating points worth of funtional forms I
got. Spending force for forms up to "software" level could get scary-
a 'taku starting with Sleaze 10, hardening 10, cloak 10 plus more
strikes me as WRONG.

-Hi, my name is "Mongoose". I'm a minmaxer, and this is my graphing
statistical calculator. Thanks to M.A. , I've realized that FASA is not
NASA, and characters are not rocket science, but I still have a LONG way
to go.
<crunching plastic sound> I feel so much more free now
Message no. 5
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Otaku Questions
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 13:39:10 EDT
In a message dated 4/11/98 4:35:55 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
evamarie@**********.net writes:

> Also not properly discused is the otaku's "storage memory" and
> whether
> he need to pay starting cash for a datajack. I'd say s/he gets 'em both
> for free (the memory being an organic function, not cyber) and in any
> desired quantity. All the fiction would imply both.

We of course have had similar questions here. We simply ruled the the Otaku
"Forms" don't actually take up/utilize a measurable kind of "MP" per
se, but
when functioning, they do utilize Bandwidth (we let it add to their mystery).
For real use memory that is for downloads and the type, we claim they are able
to create a "Form" that "Formats" a given space somewhere in their
mind (no
real limitations here) that is compatible with Matrix Operations and Computer
Access Mediums.

For each rating point of the Form, they have 100 MP of memory. This way there
is still a programming time and target number, AND it requires the Otaku to
still have an occasional usage.

Please note, we also have ideas for Otaku to use standard UMS type Programs,
but in order to do so they have memory restrictions just like a normal decker.
Many Otaku might do this just to throw off any mysteries still further about
what they do and how they do it.

Of course, if they use the UMS stuff, their "Otaku Benefits" do not happen, so
the mods for Technoshamans (-1 to all ACIFS target numbers) and Cyberadepts
(+1 to Form Ratings) are not considered. Their own ACIFS ratings are still
there however.

-K
Message no. 6
From: Callisto bginc@**********.nl
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:24:58 +0200
Hi everyone, it's been a while since I posted anything to the list,
but I have a few questions now.

They're about one of the rules about Otaku creation as stated in
Renraku Arcology Shutdown (don't have the book, downloaded the
stuff from FASA's website). It states that Otaku need both a
datajack and an ASIST interface to operate on the Matrix.

question 1: Do Otaku need to pay for these items (from their 5000
nuyen) or do they get them from their communities?

question 2: How does the ASIST work for an Otaku, is it an
external extension for the datajack, or a piece of deckware
reshaped into cyberware and implanted?

question 3: Not about ASIST but about icons. I (as a fanatic
Reboot watcher) came up with the idea for my Otaku to have a
program which would allow him to remodel his icon to the system
he was in at the moment, I don't mean full remodelling, but like in
the TV-series I was thinking: Otaku taps icon on chest and general
characteristics stay, things like clothes and weapons (if any in the
form of say Black Hammer :) reshape to match the sculpting of a
system thereby cancelling out the higher targetnumbers for
operating in sculpted systems.

This would mean adapting the MPCP of the deck, or in this case
the Otaku to the system, so can it be done and if so how? For a
normal decker I'd say no, he'd have to cook several MPCP's for
different systems, but Otaku afterall only have to adjust their
brainwaves.

Please give me your ideas on this so I can finish up building the
char.


Callisto

"Love is a trick that nature plays to get us to reproduce,
I want no part of it."

bginc@**********.nl
http://people.zeelandnet.nl/bginc

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Message no. 7
From: Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:19:35 -0600
:Hi everyone, it's been a while since I posted anything to the list,
:but I have a few questions now.
:
:They're about one of the rules about Otaku creation as stated in
:Renraku Arcology Shutdown (don't have the book, downloaded the
:stuff from FASA's website). It states that Otaku need both a
:datajack and an ASIST interface to operate on the Matrix.
:
:question 1: Do Otaku need to pay for these items (from their 5000
:nuyen) or do they get them from their communities?


They pay. They might want a non-standard jack type. This is pretty
limiting, but they still get starting cash.


:question 2: How does the ASIST work for an Otaku, is it an
:external extension for the datajack, or a piece of deckware
:reshaped into cyberware and implanted?


Either- there are both versions. The external model is about the size
of a cassette tape, I think.

:question 3: Not about ASIST but about icons. I (as a fanatic
:Reboot watcher) came up with the idea for my Otaku to have a
:program which would allow him to remodel his icon to the system
:he was in at the moment, I don't mean full remodelling, but like in
:the TV-series I was thinking: Otaku taps icon on chest and general
:characteristics stay, things like clothes and weapons (if any in the
:form of say Black Hammer :) reshape to match the sculpting of a
:system thereby cancelling out the higher targetnumbers for
:operating in sculpted systems.


I thought that (the pnealty) only applied whan you had a reality
filter that failed to overide the sculpture. In many cases, your tools
and other items do adjust to fit the scuplted sytem, I think, with no
penalty. I'd check the book, but I have the flu right now- in any case,
Otaku nevr have reality filters (afaik) and should not have to worry much
about scupltued sytems (such illusions would not fool them, I think).


:This would mean adapting the MPCP of the deck, or in this case
:the Otaku to the system, so can it be done and if so how? For a
:normal decker I'd say no, he'd have to cook several MPCP's for
:different systems, but Otaku afterall only have to adjust their
:brainwaves.


I think there are guidlines for doing a partial adjustment of MPCP and
program apearance- it just takes some time. Perhaps Otaku could do the
same.


Mongoose
Message no. 8
From: Strago strago@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:47:55 -0500
> SNIP questions 1 and 2
>
> :question 3: Not about ASIST but about icons. I (as a fanatic
> :Reboot watcher) came up with the idea for my Otaku to have a
> :program which would allow him to remodel his icon to the system
> :he was in at the moment, I don't mean full remodelling, but like in
> :the TV-series I was thinking: Otaku taps icon on chest and general
> :characteristics stay, things like clothes and weapons (if any in the
> :form of say Black Hammer :) reshape to match the sculpting of a
> :system thereby cancelling out the higher targetnumbers for
> :operating in sculpted systems.
>
> I thought that (the pnealty) only applied whan you had a reality
> filter that failed to overide the sculpture. In many cases, your tools
> and other items do adjust to fit the scuplted sytem, I think, with no
> penalty. I'd check the book, but I have the flu right now- in any case,
> Otaku nevr have reality filters (afaik) and should not have to worry much
> about scupltued sytems (such illusions would not fool them, I think).
>
> :This would mean adapting the MPCP of the deck, or in this case
> :the Otaku to the system, so can it be done and if so how? For a
> :normal decker I'd say no, he'd have to cook several MPCP's for
> :different systems, but Otaku afterall only have to adjust their
> :brainwaves.
>
> I think there are guidlines for doing a partial adjustment of MPCP and
> program apearance- it just takes some time. Perhaps Otaku could do the
> same.
>
> Mongoose

The technoshaman blends into the matrix, thus he changes himself to fit the
sculpted system, becomes one of the system's icons, and imposes on himself the
system's sculpture through the ASIST interface. At least, that's what my
group's decker says.
Message no. 9
From: GMPax@***.com GMPax@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 07:07:10 EST
In a message dated 3/29/99 10:32:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
m0ng005e@*********.com writes:

> They pay. They might want a non-standard jack type. This is pretty
> limiting, but they still get starting cash.

Specifically, they pay for the Datajack. The ASIST module is free, AFAIK.
:-)

Sean
GM Pax
gmpax@***.com
ICQ 18582108
Message no. 10
From: Angelkiller 404 angelkiller404@**********.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:41:20 -0500
>Hi everyone, it's been a while since I posted anything to the list,
>but I have a few questions now.
>
>They're about one of the rules about Otaku creation as stated in
>Renraku Arcology Shutdown (don't have the book, downloaded the
>stuff from FASA's website). It states that Otaku need both a
>datajack and an ASIST interface to operate on the Matrix.


I've been wondering about that. I've been wandering around FASA's
site for about an hour now, and I still can't find that download.
Anybody care to give me the URL?

-----
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Message no. 11
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:57:51 -0600
>I've been wondering about that. I've been wandering around FASA's
>site for about an hour now, and I still can't find that download.
>Anybody care to give me the URL?

http://www.fasa.com/errata/10172/errata10172.html

This is the VR2 Otaku errata on FASA's site. Obviously, it helps to have
VR2 and it can't hurt to have RA:S.

--
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Message no. 12
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:10:45 EST
In a message dated 3/31/1999 12:44:14 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
angelkiller404@**********.com writes:

> >They're about one of the rules about Otaku creation as stated in
> >Renraku Arcology Shutdown (don't have the book, downloaded the
> >stuff from FASA's website). It states that Otaku need both a
> >datajack and an ASIST interface to operate on the Matrix.
>
> I've been wondering about that. I've been wandering around FASA's
> site for about an hour now, and I still can't find that download.
> Anybody care to give me the URL?

Sorry, don't have the URL. However, I do have the book. Something that has
been bothering me is that an "ASSIST Interface" is required, which basically
some highly annoying money expenditures for beginning character creation.
Now, admittedly I have not had the time to make an Otaku using the SR3 (pure
laziness), but I think that swiping money at that speed/rate from a character
with minimal resources is a tad bit much.

A Question then. What is stopping an Otaku from "programming" an ASSIST
interface into their own Living Persona?

-K
Message no. 13
From: Angelkiller 404 angelkiller404@**********.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 01:56:42 -0400
OK, creating an otaku NPC using both VR2.0 and the errata I found at
the Lair. I'm looking over them, and I'm confused on a few points...

First of all, I'm making a human otaku, and allocated my C-Priority
into Attributes. I noticed that all physical attributes went down by
one, and that all Mental attributes went up by one. Thus, I went down
for 2 in all Physical Attributes, and 6 in all Mental Attributes.
Then I read that if I sent all Physical Attributes down to 1, I got
two free Attribute points for Mental attributes only. So I jacked all
the Physical Attributes down to one, boosted Intelligence and
Willpower to 7, then spent the extra 2 points on Willpower and
Charisma. Now Ally (my otaku) had all Physical Attributes of 1, a 7
for Charisma and Intelligence, and a 8 for Willpower. Is this right?
If I made the otaku a dwarf, do racial modifiers still apply, even if
I take the base attributes down to one?

I have a feeling that if I gave Ally B-Priority in Attributes, she'd
be a very weak brainiac. 27 points - 3 for Physical Attributes, which
leaves about 24 for Mental Attributes, plus the two freebie
points...youch, human otaku don't even have to bother with B-Priority
in Attributes if the focus is just decking alone.

Do otaku still get the freebie points to allocate to their Channels?
I know I can't max them all out, but with 8 points to blow on
Channels, that frees up a lot of Skill Points for other things.
Channels can still be boosted with ordinary skill points, right?

What do otaku use for Hacking Pool? Do they even get a hacking pool?

How many complex forms can an otaku start off with, max?

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Message no. 14
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:59:00 EDT
In a message dated 9/2/1999 1:01:31 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
angelkiller404@**********.com writes:

> So I jacked all
> the Physical Attributes down to one, boosted Intelligence and
> Willpower to 7, then spent the extra 2 points on Willpower and
> Charisma. Now Ally (my otaku) had all Physical Attributes of 1, a 7
> for Charisma and Intelligence, and a 8 for Willpower. Is this right?
> If I made the otaku a dwarf, do racial modifiers still apply, even if
> I take the base attributes down to one?

Yes. But be warned of some races that have mental negative modifiers.

> Do otaku still get the freebie points to allocate to their Channels?

Yes. I don't have my companion or VR2 handy, but they still do yes.

> I know I can't max them all out, but with 8 points to blow on
> Channels, that frees up a lot of Skill Points for other things.
> Channels can still be boosted with ordinary skill points, right?

I do believe so, yes. Somebody clarify please?

> What do otaku use for Hacking Pool? Do they even get a hacking pool?

It should be noted that though they don't use "Operational Utilities", they
still use "Combat Utilities", and I also believe they use "Special
Utilities"
(like Track). I could be wrong on the last part. Also, though they do use
their channels in exchange for what would be their utilities, IF an Otaku is
using a cyberdeck, they don't get their channels in the normal sense and use
the utilities.

What?!? Yes, I have an Otaku character and yes he uses normal cyberdecks and
the like. It makes wandering around and performing multiple actions all that
much easier. It also means that the "Matrix Signature" is often misleading
when dealing with other, more annoying, opponents.

Besides, he's also applied things like "DINAB" to the MPCP chips on some of
the cyberdecks, turning *them* into Frames.

> How many complex forms can an otaku start off with, max?

Uhm,,,,ermm....as many as they can afford or build/design?

-K
Message no. 15
From: Sven De Herdt Sven.DeHerdt@***********.be
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:52:46 +0200
On Thursday, September 02, 1999 2:59 PM, Ereskanti@***.com
[SMTP:Ereskanti@***.com] wrote:
> In a message dated 9/2/1999 1:01:31 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> angelkiller404@**********.com writes:
>
> > I know I can't max them all out, but with 8 points to blow on
> > Channels, that frees up a lot of Skill Points for other things.
> > Channels can still be boosted with ordinary skill points, right?
>
> I do believe so, yes. Somebody clarify please?
>
Indeed they can. Channels are linked to the Willpower attribute, but
defaulting can not be used and if I interpret the rules correctly
following restriction apply:
* only 1 channel may have a maximum rating of 6
* only 1 channel may have a maximum rating of 5
* only 1 channel may have a maximum rating of 4
* all remaining channels are limited to rating 3

> > How many complex forms can an otaku start off with, max?
>
> Uhm,,,,ermm....as many as they can afford or build/design?
>
(IIRC) the errata stated that Otaku can start with only 1 incomplete
(programming in progress) complex form, so all other 'finished' complex
forms are allowed.
An optional rule is instead of starting out with the free Armor Complex
Form equal to Willpower, Otaku can also choose Sleaze equal to their
Intelligence or Camo equal to their Charisma.

> -K

Hope this helps you out :)

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Message no. 16
From: Angelkiller 404 angelkiller404@**********.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:41:15 -0400
>> So I jacked all
>> the Physical Attributes down to one, boosted Intelligence and
>> Willpower to 7, then spent the extra 2 points on Willpower and
>> Charisma. Now Ally (my otaku) had all Physical Attributes of 1, a
7
>> for Charisma and Intelligence, and a 8 for Willpower. Is this
right?
>> If I made the otaku a dwarf, do racial modifiers still apply, even
if
>> I take the base attributes down to one?
>
>Yes. But be warned of some races that have mental negative
modifiers.


That's true, but Ally's a human, null sheen. What's really freaking
me out is that she has 35 points for Knowledge Skills, and I can make
that go up to 40, maximum. That's just sick.

>> What do otaku use for Hacking Pool? Do they even get a hacking
pool?
>
>It should be noted that though they don't use "Operational
Utilities", they
>still use "Combat Utilities", and I also believe they use "Special
Utilities"
>(like Track). I could be wrong on the last part. Also, though they
do use
>their channels in exchange for what would be their utilities, IF an
Otaku is
>using a cyberdeck, they don't get their channels in the normal sense
and use
>the utilities.


OK, I knew about that part, the tough part is calculating the sizes of
the complex forms. Now for the options attached to Defense, Special,
and Offensive Utilities. It says something about the level of the
option, but targetting doesn't have a level, just a straight modifier.
What about one-shot complex forms? Are these allowed?

>What?!? Yes, I have an Otaku character and yes he uses normal
cyberdecks and
>the like. It makes wandering around and performing multiple actions
all that
>much easier. It also means that the "Matrix Signature" is often
misleading
>when dealing with other, more annoying, opponents.
>
>Besides, he's also applied things like "DINAB" to the MPCP chips on
some of
>the cyberdecks, turning *them* into Frames.


Oooo....I might just try that. Nothing like making an MPCP-12 deck
with a DINAB option to see a young otaku through puberty...

Actually, I didn't know you *could* put DINAB on an MPCP.

>> How many complex forms can an otaku start off with, max?
>
>Uhm,,,,ermm....as many as they can afford or build/design?


Well, I mean, as a guideline. Does the GM have to watch the PC roll
out as many Complex Forms as he can, or is there a straight value?
The errata says a base Computer (Software) x 50Mp of Complex Forms.
What do they mean by "base?" Can the player still roll for more
complex forms or what?

Yeah, you can tell I'm new to the world of the otaku...
Message no. 17
From: Schizi@***.com Schizi@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:02:45 EDT
In a message dated 9/2/99 2:01:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
angelkiller404@**********.com writes:

> I noticed that all physical attributes went down by
> one, and that all Mental attributes went up by one.

Note, this should be the attribute MAXs, not the atts themselves.

Most of the rest has been answered :-)
Message no. 18
From: Schizi@***.com Schizi@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:07:13 EDT
In a message dated 9/2/99 3:58:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
angelkiller404@**********.com writes:

> That's true, but Ally's a human, null sheen. What's really freaking
> me out is that she has 35 points for Knowledge Skills, and I can make
> that go up to 40, maximum. That's just sick.

Sick? thats nothing, I made a gnome and he has Extraordinary Attribute Intel,
which brings it to 9, as well as his Willpower of 10. He also has
photomemory, so he can remember everything :-)
His stats are at;
http://members.aol.com/vocenoctum/secondary/smaug.htm

Any comments are welcome unless they amount to "geez, you min-maxed him"
which I already know:-)
Besides, imagine if I had taken exceptional skill in Computer?
Message no. 19
From: Sebastian Wiers m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 04:36:06 -0700
> >> What do otaku use for Hacking Pool? Do they even get a hacking
> pool?

The certainly get one, and it is calculated as normal, based off MPCP and
Int. That means it will be large, by hacking pool standards.

> >Besides, he's also applied things like "DINAB" to the MPCP chips on
> some of
> >the cyberdecks, turning *them* into Frames.
>
>
> Oooo....I might just try that. Nothing like making an MPCP-12 deck
> with a DINAB option to see a young otaku through puberty...
>
> Actually, I didn't know you *could* put DINAB on an MPCP.

Kieth is likely "expanding" the rules a bit. You could do this, but DINAB
is not inteded to work this way- what tests would it perform? Theres no
rules covering that, unless you write them yourself. I don't think it
would do any good, myself- what you'd be trying to do is make a SKB, not a
cyberdeck.
On the other hand, putting "optimization" on MPCP and other "hardware
code" would make the programming take a lot longer, but would cut cook time
and chip costs in half. I could see that being used by cyberdeck
manufacturers.

And no, you can't have one shot forms. Cute idea (it would let you get a
few more at character creation) but it goes against the concept of a
complex form. A lot of options are pointless on forms- they shrink actual
size (which Otaku don't care about) but increase the amount of code that
must be written (which is what your Otaku would have to do).

>
> >> How many complex forms can an otaku start off with, max?
> >
> >Uhm,,,,ermm....as many as they can afford or build/design?
>
> Well, I mean, as a guideline. Does the GM have to watch the PC roll
> out as many Complex Forms as he can, or is there a straight value?

By VR2.0 rules, yes, the GM has to watch you do rolls to program them out
until you run out of programming days. RAS apends that yu can only have
one uncompleted
form- otherwise, theres no point in charging karma for them, since you
could start programming on as many as you wanted during game play and
finish tme later.

> The errata says a base Computer (Software) x 50Mp of Complex Forms.
> What do they mean by "base?" Can the player still roll for more
> complex forms or what?

This is as a replacement for all the rolling. It is intended as a simpler
alternative, and removes the dependance on luck for character creation, and
is an optional rule.
You get the stated MP amount worth of utlities, no more, with no rolling
required. It may say "base" because you could sink a portion of that total
into your one "unfinished" utility.
If using utility options, you would use the source code size, not the
"actual" size.
>
> Yeah, you can tell I'm new to the world of the otaku...
>

Hell, I don't play them, I just do the math for fun...

Mongoose
Message no. 20
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:20:48 EDT
In a message dated 9/4/1999 12:45:37 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
m0ng005e@*********.com writes:

> > >> What do otaku use for Hacking Pool? Do they even get a hacking
> > pool?
>
> The certainly get one, and it is calculated as normal, based off MPCP and
> Int. That means it will be large, by hacking pool standards.

Actually, given the range of attributes vs. cyberdecks in a the hands of a
regular decker, Decker's should win out here on the Hacking Pool.

> > >Besides, he's also applied things like "DINAB" to the MPCP chips
on
> > some of
> > >the cyberdecks, turning *them* into Frames.
> > Oooo....I might just try that. Nothing like making an MPCP-12 deck
> > with a DINAB option to see a young otaku through puberty...
> >
> > Actually, I didn't know you *could* put DINAB on an MPCP.

Officially, you can NOT do so. We've use one set of rules to help us figure
out other, as yet unexplained, features.

> Kieth is likely "expanding" the rules a bit. You could do this, but
DINAB
> is not inteded to work this way- what tests would it perform? Theres no
> rules covering that, unless you write them yourself. I don't think it
> would do any good, myself- what you'd be trying to do is make a SKB, not a
> cyberdeck.

Actually Mongoose, in the case we are using is the "MPCP" is becoming the
"Core" rating for a given frame. The DINAB becomes the "Frames"
actual
computer skill. And it does do good for some tasks, like anything you'd want
a Frame to do for example.

> On the other hand, putting "optimization" on MPCP and other
"hardware
> code" would make the programming take a lot longer, but would cut cook time
> and chip costs in half. I could see that being used by cyberdeck
> manufacturers.

You know, this *could* explain the cost comparisons for manufactured
cyberdecks actually. (pondering)

> And no, you can't have one shot forms. Cute idea (it would let you get a
> few more at character creation) but it goes against the concept of a
> complex form. A lot of options are pointless on forms- they shrink actual
> size (which Otaku don't care about) but increase the amount of code that
> must be written (which is what your Otaku would have to do).

Very true on the restriction here. There is something however that we'd like
to make sure is understood. The concept of "Karma" and "Forms" is now

seperated with regards to the Otaku.

And as for Size of something, if it were code, they would of course be
concerned. They still don't have "Resonant Memory" per say, as such they
have to have external/internalized memory sources just like everyone else.

> > >> How many complex forms can an otaku start off with, max?
> > Well, I mean, as a guideline. Does the GM have to watch the PC roll
> > out as many Complex Forms as he can, or is there a straight value?
>
> By VR2.0 rules, yes, the GM has to watch you do rolls to program them out
> until you run out of programming days. RAS apends that yu can only have
> one uncompleted
> form- otherwise, theres no point in charging karma for them, since you
> could start programming on as many as you wanted during game play and
> finish tme later.

See the remark about Karma and Forms above...

> > The errata says a base Computer (Software) x 50Mp of Complex Forms.
> > What do they mean by "base?" Can the player still roll for more
> > complex forms or what?
>
> This is as a replacement for all the rolling. It is intended as a simpler
> alternative, and removes the dependance on luck for character creation, and
> is an optional rule.

And it can really help if you are trying to hurry-up a bit and create a
character.

> You get the stated MP amount worth of utlities, no more, with no rolling
> required. It may say "base" because you could sink a portion of that
total
> into your one "unfinished" utility.
> If using utility options, you would use the source code size, not the
> "actual" size.

True.

> > Yeah, you can tell I'm new to the world of the otaku...
> Hell, I don't play them, I just do the math for fun...

Everything that Mongoose is says is accurate, and I'll give him credit in
that he does like to do the math. A suggestion I would make is that when you
play any character type, occasionally ask yourself "if *this* does *that*,
what will *that* do *here*, where I normally don't use it?" Don't go to nuts
with it, but it can let you have other ideas.

-K
Message no. 21
From: Sebastian Wiers m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 00:17:06 -0700
> > > >> What do otaku use for Hacking Pool? Do they even get a hacking
> > > pool?
> >
> > The certainly get one, and it is calculated as normal, based off MPCP
and
> > Int. That means it will be large, by hacking pool standards.
> Actually, given the range of attributes vs. cyberdecks in a the hands of
a
> regular decker, Decker's should win out here on the Hacking Pool.

That depends on the decker and Otaku. You are right- the diffrence isn't
big (either way) as I had though. In fact a "normal" decker will often
have a higher hacking pool, especially if they have the (expensive) cyber
that specifiacally boosts it. They can also (eventually) get decks with an
MPCP higher than an Otakus living persona would have. Still, a good
starting otaku character can have a hacking pool of 5 or 6, which is
respectable, and once they can get good cyber, it (might) go higher.


> > Kieth is likely "expanding" the rules a bit. You could do this, but
DINAB
> > is not inteded to work this way- what tests would it perform? Theres
no
> > rules covering that, unless you write them yourself. I don't think it
> > would do any good, myself- what you'd be trying to do is make a SKB,
not a
> > cyberdeck.
>
> Actually Mongoose, in the case we are using is the "MPCP" is becoming the

> "Core" rating for a given frame. The DINAB becomes the "Frames"
actual
> computer skill. And it does do good for some tasks, like anything you'd
want
> a Frame to do for example.

I figured that was what you meant. An MPCP is not a frame, though- a
frame is a very large program with some very special capbilties and it
still has some stiff limits on what it can do. If given DINAB, it has some
limited autonomy, but still requires commands from the decker. A MPCP has
totally different tasks (and is also a big program), but it does not have
the facilty to be a frame (or really do anything useful that I can see)
just because it has DINAB.
If the deck DID function as a frame, at the very least it would require a
lenghty "loading" process whenever you wnated to change its persona ratings
or utilties at all. I can't see why just using a frame (or sprite) is not
equally handy, or (coversely) why a DINABed deck would offer better
performance.

I'm not saying its not an interesting idea- I just think a MPCP with DINAB
is not (nearly) sufficient to making a self directed deck. On the other
hand, that has GOT to be one big chunk of code, and the idea of a "drone"
deck with a "pilot" rating is pretty cool- but you will notice, theres no
rules on programming a pilot rating, either... [ And certainly, the idea of
applying programming options to chipsets is an interesting one. (-: ]
Now there's a wacky idea- why not create "robot" that can control a deck?
On second thought, I don't really wan't to go there- that is, again, what
an SaKb is, in effect. [Oh, but wouldn't THAT be "fun"- a SaKb as a
"drone", with a decker "jumped in" and controlling it... I'm not sure
what
the stats would be, but it would probably be ugly...]

> > And no, you can't have one shot forms. Cute idea (it would let you
get a
> > few more at character creation) but it goes against the concept of a
> > complex form. A lot of options are pointless on forms- they shrink
actual
> > size (which Otaku don't care about) but increase the amount of code
that
> > must be written (which is what your Otaku would have to do).
>
> Very true on the restriction here. There is something however that we'd
like
> to make sure is understood. The concept of "Karma" and "Forms"
is now
> seperated with regards to the Otaku.

Is it? Otaku don't pay karma for forms they start the game with (they
never did), but they must pay karma when creating new forms (equal to the
forms rating), afaik. What do you mean by "seperated"?

> And as for Size of something, if it were code, they would of course be
> concerned. They still don't have "Resonant Memory" per say, as such they

> have to have external/internalized memory sources just like everyone
else.

Forms don't require memory of any sort, right? A "big" one does take
longer to create, but once created, it is always considered "in active
memory" if the Otaku so wishes it. At least, that is how I see it...
An Otaku's chip based memory (implanted or external) is there for
downloads (or uploads, or whatever "outside" data they have), and not for
forms. They don't have active / storage memory because thay do not need
any sort of memory for thier persona. Or am I missing something?
Otaku also can't "store" thier forms and loan them to friends- in fact,
the inabilty to swap software seems a major limit on Otaku as a group.
Groups of deckers can become quite powerful by programming as teams or each
working on seperate componants of a deck and then sharing code.

> Everything that Mongoose says is accurate, and I'll give him credit in
> that he does like to do the math.

Can I put that on my resume, Kieth? :-)

Mongoose
Message no. 22
From: Schizi@***.com Schizi@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:15:14 EDT
In a message dated 9/6/99 9:15:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
m0ng005e@*********.com writes:

> Still, a good
> starting otaku character can have a hacking pool of 5 or 6, which is
> respectable, and once they can get good cyber, it (might) go higher.

Assuming M&M keeps the intel boosters, it could have a huge effect on Otaku.
(My gnome is at 9 now, plus another 4 for cerebral booster and encephalon,
plus you can raise to 50% higher than regualr max, which means my max intel
would be
(9+50%+4) around 17 :-)
Note: IMO, the difference between deckers and otaku is like the difference
between Sams and Adepts (not to start THAT argument again :-)
given enough karma, otaku would be great. While they are spending karma on
such things as their channels and complex forms and such, as well as Atts and
Computer skill; The decker just adds to computer skill and Atts (either way
barring other interests) and just buys/programs his higher ratings.
Message no. 23
From: Sebastian Wiers m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:32:37 -0700
> Assuming M&M keeps the intel boosters, it could have a huge effect on
Otaku.
> (My gnome is at 9 now, plus another 4 for cerebral booster and
encephalon,
> plus you can raise to 50% higher than regualr max, which means my max
intel
> would be
> (9+50%+4) around 17 :-)

Yes, the cyberware's benefit to living persona would be quite nice. On
the other hand, raising unaugmented int above racial max is going to cost a
lot- 30 points to raise it to 10, in your case, and a total of 180 to raise
it to 14. I'm not to impressed by the fact that you "can" raise racial
maximums 50% above norm, especially in cases where the max is above 6. I
mean, a troll "can" have a natural body of 16, but is it going to happen in
any reasonable campaign? Aren't there better things to spend the karma on?

Mongoose
Message no. 24
From: Schizi@***.com Schizi@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:35:34 EDT
In a message dated 9/6/99 12:46:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
m0ng005e@*********.com writes:

> Aren't there better things to spend the karma on?
oh, of course there are, was just using that as an example of the "adept vs.
Sam" line of thinking I was running.
To increase the liiving persona, you will have to spend that karma and more
:-)
Message no. 25
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:47:41 EDT
In a message dated 9/6/1999 8:15:54 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
m0ng005e@*********.com writes:

> I figured that was what you meant. An MPCP is not a frame, though- a
> frame is a very large program with some very special capbilties and it
> still has some stiff limits on what it can do. If given DINAB, it has some
> limited autonomy, but still requires commands from the decker. A MPCP has
> totally different tasks (and is also a big program), but it does not have
> the facilty to be a frame (or really do anything useful that I can see)
> just because it has DINAB.

WHOA!!! Hold it right there buster. You are telling me that an MPCP doesn't
have the facility to be a frame, yet it is *from* a cyberdeck that Frames are
functional in the first place??? That is almost directly non-consistent with
the core rules, let alone house rule possibilities.

I agree that a "standard" cyberdeck given this function wouldn't be
above/beyond the concept of a "Dumb Frame" as the deck is lacking its'
immediate user to give it commands. (would remind me of a computer user with
a bunch of "macros" on a computer today) However, given the complexity
levels of the MPCP/Persona Programs (the latter of which use the same rules
for frames as they do decks btw), I would say that a cyberdeck built
*explicitly* for usage as a "Smart Frame/Demi-SK" would function more
correctly. I also admit that perhaps I didn't state my considerations more
clearly in the first place. You would *have* to have a "Frame Deck" built
almost exclusively in this manner for it to function as a "Smart
Frame/Demi-SK".

> If the deck DID function as a frame, at the very least it would require a
> lenghty "loading" process whenever you wnated to change its persona
ratings
> or utilties at all. I can't see why just using a frame (or sprite) is not
> equally handy, or (coversely) why a DINABed deck would offer better
> performance.

Simply put, the "Frame Deck" would have the power of a full cyberdeck behind
it and not limited by the parameters of its' principle "core rating" (which
has to function as skill base and BEMS controller). Additionally,
"Frames/Sprites" do NOT have any memory that they can function with. Seems
kind of stupid to go tell a Frame to "go to 'x' location, search for 'y' file
and retrieve the copy. Without any file operating space, the copy won't go
anywhere but as a matrix-replication. If the Frame/Sprite has no source
location/place of storage, then the copy remains a target.

> I'm not saying its not an interesting idea- I just think a MPCP with DINAB
> is not (nearly) sufficient to making a self directed deck. On the other
> hand, that has GOT to be one big chunk of code, and the idea of a "drone"
> deck with a "pilot" rating is pretty cool- but you will notice, theres no
> rules on programming a pilot rating, either... [ And certainly, the idea of
> applying programming options to chipsets is an interesting one. (-: ]

Yes, yes it is, and I can hardly wait when somebody puts these out... <Evil
Patient Grin>. Other than that, see my considerations above concerning the
"power" of a Smart Frame above. In effect, the "DINAB" rating is
becoming
*part* of the pilot rating of the 'Drone Deck' (and btw, we aren't going to
get into this nasty part, because due to Renraku Arcology: Shutdown, the rule
ideas for "Computer Skill bearing drones" now exists ... look up
"Cyber-Implant Weaponry: Autosoft" under stuff like the Bumblebee and Spider
drones in the Arc).

> Now there's a wacky idea- why not create "robot" that can control a deck?

> On second thought, I don't really wan't to go there- that is, again, what
> an SaKb is, in effect. [Oh, but wouldn't THAT be "fun"- a SaKb as a
> "drone", with a decker "jumped in" and controlling it... I'm
not sure what
> the stats would be, but it would probably be ugly...]

See above. And believe me, it can be ugly, but it can fun at the same time...

> > > And no, you can't have one shot forms. Cute idea (it would let you
> get a
> > > few more at character creation) but it goes against the concept of a
> > > complex form. A lot of options are pointless on forms- they shrink
> actual
> > > size (which Otaku don't care about) but increase the amount of code
> that
> > > must be written (which is what your Otaku would have to do).
> >
> > Very true on the restriction here. There is something however that we'd
> like
> > to make sure is understood The concept of "Karma" and
"Forms" is now
> > seperated with regards to the Otaku.
>
> Is it? Otaku don't pay karma for forms they start the game with (they
> never did), but they must pay karma when creating new forms (equal to the
> forms rating), afaik. What do you mean by "seperated"?

Otaku no longer pay Karma for Forms, as per RA:S (and the associated Errata),
which updated SR3.

> > And as for Size of something, if it were code, they would of course be
> > concerned. They still don't have "Resonant Memory" per say, as such
they
>
> > have to have external/internalized memory sources just like everyone
> else.
>
> Forms don't require memory of any sort, right? A "big" one does take
> longer to create, but once created, it is always considered "in active
> memory" if the Otaku so wishes it. At least, that is how I see it...

True, as per the rules anyway.

> An Otaku's chip based memory (implanted or external) is there for
> downloads (or uploads, or whatever "outside" data they have), and not for
> forms. They don't have active / storage memory because thay do not need
> any sort of memory for thier persona. Or am I missing something?

No, you aren't missing anything. It should be noted however, that if an
Otaku decides NOT to use a Form (not an impossibility, just rare), they do
not get the benefit of their channels/otaku abilities. Hence, certain
programs would be required. For instance, the concept of "super user
passcodes" would be completely alien to an Otaku, as they couldn't "trigger a
file" that contained a code. They'd be forced to function "illegally"
everywhere they went. And sometimes, the ability to present "Matrix Keys"
would be very important.

> Otaku also can't "store" thier forms and loan them to friends- in fact,
> the inabilty to swap software seems a major limit on Otaku as a group.
> Groups of deckers can become quite powerful by programming as teams or each
> working on seperate componants of a deck and then sharing code.

We've always wondered about this, what seems to us as a strange limitation,
ourselves. What good is that "Programming Task Bonus" and the ability to
work together, if the final code is not sharable by all members of the group.
We have to admit that the concept of the "Resonant Well" presented on the
now-down Shadowland.org site allowed us to consider that "Form Source Code"
could be stored there, and then (at the time, requiring Karma), the code
could be "uploaded" into active ability by the Otaku.

Also, here is something VERY strange to consider. The Forms are NOT always
in active mode with the Otaku, otherwise their Trace and Bandwidth
considerations would be ENORMOUS quite quickly. There *have* to be some form
of downtime or 'cold mode' the mind of the Otaku goes into at some point.

> > Everything that Mongoose says is accurate, and I'll give him credit in
> > that he does like to do the math.
>
> Can I put that on my resume, Kieth? :-)

That is entirely up to you, but if you do so, would you also put the HHH
website address on it so we get the hits??? ;-P

-K
Message no. 26
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:52:40 EDT
In a message dated 9/6/1999 11:46:47 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
m0ng005e@*********.com writes:

>
> Yes, the cyberware's benefit to living persona would be quite nice. On
> the other hand, raising unaugmented int above racial max is going to cost a
> lot- 30 points to raise it to 10, in your case, and a total of 180 to raise
> it to 14. I'm not to impressed by the fact that you "can" raise racial
> maximums 50% above norm, especially in cases where the max is above 6. I
> mean, a troll "can" have a natural body of 16, but is it going to happen
in
> any reasonable campaign? Aren't there better things to spend the karma on?
>
Mongoose, you know better that make those statements because you are implying
to many that "games outside your own aren't reasonable." And, just to
consider that the rules DO give the options for attributes of this range, OF
COURSE you will have some people who want to find/test those limits.

Next problem here is you are putting two different archetypes into
contrast/comparison mode. As the rules stand now, the intel that Starrngr is
mentioning is already a 13 (the 9 of the gnome, plus 4 points for CB and
Enceph..). The idea of going beyond this would merely be nose-bleed options
in must about any case. Personally, I thought the limit would be, in SR3
mechanics here...a 14. As "10" is the maximum stat then add the cyber/bio
stuff.

But, who knows...all of this may be only so much dreaming once M&M comes out.

-K
Message no. 27
From: Schizi@***.com Schizi@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:21:11 EDT
In a message dated 9/6/99 2:54:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ereskanti@***.com
writes:

> Personally, I thought the limit would be, in SR3
> mechanics here...a 14. As "10" is the maximum stat then add the cyber/bio

> stuff.
actually, the gnome has exceptional intel, which brings his "normal" limit to
9, +50% to 13 for the modified limit. I don't know f the "10" limit, which
trolls totally trounce anyway :-)
Message no. 28
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:13:53 EDT
In a message dated 9/6/1999 5:22:56 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
Schizi@***.com writes:

> > Personally, I thought the limit would be, in SR3
> > mechanics here...a 14. As "10" is the maximum stat then add the
cyber/
> bio
> > stuff.
> actually, the gnome has exceptional intel, which brings his "normal" limit

> to
> 9, +50% to 13 for the modified limit. I don't know f the "10" limit, which

> trolls totally trounce anyway :-)

Uhm, actually, I thought..oh wait a second..a Gnome...okay...catching back up
with ya'll now. Okay, I was going on stats for intel like a humans, my
mistake.

Human max is a "6", with the 50% bringing that to a 9, with exceptional
bringing that to a 10. The +4 for cyber/bio then brings that max to a
14...sorry...I's cofoozed serrr...

-K ;-)
Message no. 29
From: Schizi@***.com Schizi@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 23:01:09 EDT
In a message dated 9/6/99 9:15:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ereskanti@***.com
writes:

> Uhm, actually, I thought..oh wait a second..a Gnome...okay...catching back
up
>
> with ya'll now. Okay, I was going on stats for intel like a humans, my
> mistake.


oh, its okay we won't hold it against you
<signals FASA police behind back>
Message no. 30
From: Angelkiller 404 angelkiller404@**********.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:12:45 -0400
>> > > >> What do otaku use for Hacking Pool? Do they even get a
hacking
>> > > pool?
>> >
>> > The certainly get one, and it is calculated as normal, based
off MPCP
>and
>> > Int. That means it will be large, by hacking pool standards.
>> Actually, given the range of attributes vs. cyberdecks in a the
hands of
>a
>> regular decker, Decker's should win out here on the Hacking Pool.
>
> That depends on the decker and Otaku. You are right- the diffrence
isn't
>big (either way) as I had though. In fact a "normal" decker will
often
>have a higher hacking pool, especially if they have the (expensive)
cyber
>that specifiacally boosts it. They can also (eventually) get decks
with an
>MPCP higher than an Otakus living persona would have. Still, a good
>starting otaku character can have a hacking pool of 5 or 6, which is
>respectable, and once they can get good cyber, it (might) go higher.
>


OK, here's another question: How would cyber affect a still-growing
body? I mean, I don't see much problem with bio--that stuff grows
right along with you--but cyber? I don't think an otaku would take in
an encephalon, not when it's made to conform to his skull when he's
about 10-13 years old. Or am I just speculating here?

<SNIP>

>> And as for Size of something, if it were code, they would of course
be
>> concerned. They still don't have "Resonant Memory" per say, as
such they
>
>> have to have external/internalized memory sources just like
everyone
>else.
>
> Forms don't require memory of any sort, right? A "big" one does
take
>longer to create, but once created, it is always considered "in
active
>memory" if the Otaku so wishes it. At least, that is how I see it...
> An Otaku's chip based memory (implanted or external) is there for
>downloads (or uploads, or whatever "outside" data they have), and not
for
>forms. They don't have active / storage memory because thay do not
need
>any sort of memory for thier persona. Or am I missing something?
> Otaku also can't "store" thier forms and loan them to friends- in
fact,
>the inabilty to swap software seems a major limit on Otaku as a
group.
>Groups of deckers can become quite powerful by programming as teams
or each
>working on seperate componants of a deck and then sharing code.


Very true. Actually, I believe that Otaku have an effective unlimited
amount of active memory needed to run their complex forms, but they
still need memory to store paydata and the such. As for programming
groups, true, the Otaku can't share programs, but the older, more
experienced, otaku can still teach the younger otaku how to create
forms and the like, sort of like an older mage teaching younger mages
how to cast magic. And to the otaku, that what complex forms are.

-----
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Message no. 31
From: Angelkiller 404 angelkiller404@**********.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:21:02 -0400
<SNIPPEROONIE>
>>
>> Is it? Otaku don't pay karma for forms they start the game with
(they
>> never did), but they must pay karma when creating new forms (equal
to the
>> forms rating), afaik. What do you mean by "seperated"?
>
>Otaku no longer pay Karma for Forms, as per RA:S (and the associated
Errata),
>which updated SR3.


Whoa. When did *this* happen? What do they use to pay for Complexd
Forms, then? Time?

-----
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http://gibbed.com/parasiteve/
ICQ: 2157053

"You fool, pain is my friend! Allow me to introduce you to him!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!"
Message no. 32
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:11:54 EDT
In a message dated 9/6/1999 10:02:21 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
Schizi@***.com writes:

>
> oh, its okay we won't hold it against you
> <signals FASA police behind back>

<K smiles and holds up his FASA Badge...>

Move along folks...nothing to see here...

-K (NO, I'm not an employee, but anyone can make a good forgery if they
try... ;-)
Message no. 33
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:49 EDT
In a message dated 9/6/1999 11:22:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
angelkiller404@**********.com writes:

>
> OK, here's another question: How would cyber affect a still-growing
> body? I mean, I don't see much problem with bio--that stuff grows
> right along with you--but cyber? I don't think an otaku would take in
> an encephalon, not when it's made to conform to his skull when he's
> about 10-13 years old. Or am I just speculating here?

Its' actually healthy speculation. However, if the 'ware is implanted in the
later years of a child's life (say the middle teens), there is little
potential for problems. The exact reason for this I cannot say, but I would
call a good "gut instinct".

As for what the cyberware does for attributes which in then may affect the
Otaku...we've used the rule that although a piece of ware may augment the
attribute of the Otaku, the "Living Persona" needs to be "updated".
In this
case, it won't function at the higher rating until some "Programming Time" is
done to augment the rating. Similar to when an Otaku must do the time to
repair damage to their Living Persona attributes in this case.

-K
Message no. 34
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:27:18 EDT
In a message dated 9/6/1999 11:41:58 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
angelkiller404@**********.com writes:

> >Otaku no longer pay Karma for Forms, as per RA:S (and the associated
> Errata),
> >which updated SR3.
>
>
> Whoa. When did *this* happen? What do they use to pay for Complexd
> Forms, then? Time?

Its' in the otaku errata...#7 ...here's a copy...
http://hometown.aol.com/hhackerh/msc/otakuerrata.htm

-K (please note, "Karma" isn't used for creating characters)
Message no. 35
From: Sebastian Wiers m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:38:52 -0700
> OK, here's another question: How would cyber affect a still-growing
> body? I mean, I don't see much problem with bio--that stuff grows
> right along with you--but cyber? I don't think an otaku would take in
> an encephalon, not when it's made to conform to his skull when he's
> about 10-13 years old. Or am I just speculating here?

Certain items would be a problem, but most headware would not. The plates
of the skull fuse by that age (meaning growth is finished), and the brain
doesn't signifigantly grow or chage structure (afaik) past age 5 or so.
In any case, the encephalon (nad other brainware isn't going to be much
more dagerous than a datajack.

Mongoose


>
> <SNIP>
>
> >> And as for Size of something, if it were code, they would of course
> be
> >> concerned. They still don't have "Resonant Memory" per say, as
> such they
> >
> >> have to have external/internalized memory sources just like
> everyone
> >else.
> >
> > Forms don't require memory of any sort, right? A "big" one does
> take
> >longer to create, but once created, it is always considered "in
> active
> >memory" if the Otaku so wishes it. At least, that is how I see it...
> > An Otaku's chip based memory (implanted or external) is there for
> >downloads (or uploads, or whatever "outside" data they have), and not
> for
> >forms. They don't have active / storage memory because thay do not
> need
> >any sort of memory for thier persona. Or am I missing something?
> > Otaku also can't "store" thier forms and loan them to friends- in
> fact,
> >the inabilty to swap software seems a major limit on Otaku as a
> group.
> >Groups of deckers can become quite powerful by programming as teams
> or each
> >working on seperate componants of a deck and then sharing code.
>
>
> Very true. Actually, I believe that Otaku have an effective unlimited
> amount of active memory needed to run their complex forms, but they
> still need memory to store paydata and the such. As for programming
> groups, true, the Otaku can't share programs, but the older, more
> experienced, otaku can still teach the younger otaku how to create
> forms and the like, sort of like an older mage teaching younger mages
> how to cast magic. And to the otaku, that what complex forms are.
>
> -----
> AK404
>
> http://freespeech.org/ak404/
> http://gibbed.com/parasiteve/
> ICQ: 2157053
>
> "You fool, pain is my friend! Allow me to introduce you to him!
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!"
>
Message no. 36
From: Alfredo B Alves dghost@****.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 01:48:21 -0700
On Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:49 EDT Ereskanti@***.com writes:
> In a message dated 9/6/1999 11:22:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> angelkiller404@**********.com writes:

> > OK, here's another question: How would cyber affect a
still-growing
> > body? I mean, I don't see much problem with bio--that stuff grows
> > right along with you--but cyber? I don't think an otaku would take
in
> > an encephalon, not when it's made to conform to his skull when he's
> > about 10-13 years old. Or am I just speculating here?

> Its' actually healthy speculation. However, if the 'ware is implanted
in the
> later years of a child's life (say the middle teens), there is little
> potential for problems. The exact reason for this I cannot say, but I
would
> call a good "gut instinct".

The skull grows differently than the rest of the body ... it starts out
proportionally larger and to the best of my knowledge grows relatively
slower. I'm not certain if the skull stops growing sooner than the rest
of the body. However, there is always the risk of a latter growth spurt
or even an HGH (Juman Growth Hormone) screw up and you wind up with
someone who never actually stops growing. This actually is to much of a
problem from cranial ware like a datajack since the skull would grow
along the ridges rather than throughout the plates. Additionally, the
brain is allowed freedom of motion within the skull and the datatjack
must accomodate for that with a floating connection (otherwise, people'd
have their brains shredded left and right). Most likely, this will
manifest as a connection resting on the brain with wires running to the
`jack imbedded in the skull.

The problem posed by implanting cyber in growing bodies is primarily in
bodyware, not headware. Even then, you have to keep in mind that bone
growth occurs at the ends not throughout.

> As for what the cyberware does for attributes which in then may affect
the
> Otaku...we've used the rule that although a piece of ware may augment
the
> attribute of the Otaku, the "Living Persona" needs to be
"updated".
In this
> case, it won't function at the higher rating until some "Programming
Time" is
> done to augment the rating. Similar to when an Otaku must do the time
to
> repair damage to their Living Persona attributes in this case.
>
> -K

??? K, did you just go off on a tangent or am I completely missing the
connection between this and the above? :)

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Message no. 37
From: Sebastian Wiers m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:02:28 -0700
> > >Otaku no longer pay Karma for Forms, as per RA:S (and the associated
> > Errata),
> > >which updated SR3.
> >
> >
> > Whoa. When did *this* happen? What do they use to pay for Complexd
> > Forms, then? Time?
>
> Its' in the otaku errata...#7 ...here's a copy...
> http://hometown.aol.com/hhackerh/msc/otakuerrata.htm

and from there-
7. When creating an otaku character, Complex Forms do not require Karma.
Characters may only start with one incomplete (programming in process)
Complex Form.

As I read it, that doesn't change the fact that they DO have to spend
karma on complex forms after the game starts. In fact, this changes
nothing, except preventing them from having a few dozen partly completed
forms at the start of the game..
As far as I can tell, the DO spend karma to create forms AFTER character
creation.

Mongoose
Message no. 38
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:32:13 EDT
In a message dated 9/7/1999 2:08:29 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
m0ng005e@*********.com writes:

> and from there-
> 7. When creating an otaku character, Complex Forms do not require Karma.
> Characters may only start with one incomplete (programming in process)
> Complex Form.
>
> As I read it, that doesn't change the fact that they DO have to spend
> karma on complex forms after the game starts. In fact, this changes
> nothing, except preventing them from having a few dozen partly completed
> forms at the start of the game..
> As far as I can tell, the DO spend karma to create forms AFTER character
> creation.
>
> Mongoose

Mongoose, again, note that "KARMA" is not used by beginning characters. If
this remains so (meaning that Karma is still required to create Forms, then
the Errata itself is likely needing an errata ... and we both know how much
Mike M. loves to do these...), then the word needs to be removed from the
statement/line.

And besides, if Karma *IS* required, then again, the Otaku have an even
*GREATER* restriction than any decker does and more than allows for the Otaku
to balance out against the Decker in such a way as to make them the "lesser"
of the two character-types. Also remember that an Otaku does NOT use Forms
for "Operational Utilities" any longer, that is what their channels are used
for. The Otaku that exist after RA:S/Errata are NOT at all like their VR2.0
predecessors.

-K
Message no. 39
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:37:04 EDT
In a message dated 9/7/1999 2:12:24 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
dghost@****.com writes:

> > As for what the cyberware does for attributes which in then may affect
> the
> > Otaku...we've used the rule that although a piece of ware may augment
> the
> > attribute of the Otaku, the "Living Persona" needs to be
"updated".
> In this
> > case, it won't function at the higher rating until some "Programming
> Time" is
> > done to augment the rating. Similar to when an Otaku must do the time
> to
> > repair damage to their Living Persona attributes in this case.
> >
> > -K
>
> ??? K, did you just go off on a tangent or am I completely missing the
> connection between this and the above? :)

I went off on a *related* tangent. Cyberware implants can effect the mental
attributes (Intelligence). The Subject Line is still "Otaku questions", and
I decided to make the connection between the two while I had the chance...
;-P

-K
Message no. 40
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:52:20 -0700
On Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:37:04 EDT Ereskanti@***.com writes:
> In a message dated 9/7/1999 2:12:24 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> dghost@****.com writes:
<SNIP>
> > ??? K, did you just go off on a tangent or am I completely missing
the
> > connection between this and the above? :)

> I went off on a *related* tangent. Cyberware implants can effect the
mental
> attributes (Intelligence). The Subject Line is still "Otaku
questions", and
> I decided to make the connection between the two while I had the
chance...
> ;-P

*phew* `:)
I was worried I was missing something... I would think that the
encephalon is a sort of percentage boost to brainpower ... as such the
Otaku wouldn't really need to adjust to it more than anyone else ... the
otaku just gets more bang for the buck. Image if everytime you upgrading
your CPU you had to sit down and hack out upgrades for your software ...
:)

--
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Message no. 41
From: Schizi@***.com Schizi@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:37:34 EDT
In a message dated 9/7/99 2:13:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Ereskanti@***.com
writes:

> > oh, its okay we won't hold it against you
> > <signals FASA police behind back>
>
> <K smiles and holds up his FASA Badge...>
>
> Move along folks...nothing to see here...
>
> -K (NO, I'm not an employee, but anyone can make a good forgery if they
> try... ;-)

Oh, so sorry, they had to drop the Mitsuhama contract, and go with Bob's
Drones and Badges. They HAVE had a few problems with it not recognizing
things.
OTOH, the bullet holes all over the place add a certain quality too, nay? :-)
Message no. 42
From: Schizi@***.com Schizi@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:51:27 EDT
In a message dated 9/7/99 1:33:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ereskanti@***.com
writes:

>
> Mongoose, again, note that "KARMA" is not used by beginning characters.
If
> this remains so (meaning that Karma is still required to create Forms,
then
> the Errata itself is likely needing an errata ... and we both know how
much
> Mike M. loves to do these...), then the word needs to be removed from the
> statement/line.
>
IMO, this was the point, to make sure that everyone understood that you have
the Complex Forms at start without paying the karma.

> Also remember that an Otaku does NOT use Forms
>for "Operational Utilities" any longer, that is what their channels are used

>for.

I don't think they were ever intended to be able to "double up", it just took
so long for the erratta that ot looked like a change :-)
Message no. 43
From: Mad Hamish h_laws@**********.utas.edu.au
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 10:23:45 +1000
At 00:12 7/09/99 -0400, Angelkiller 404 wrote:
>
>OK, here's another question: How would cyber affect a still-growing
>body? I mean, I don't see much problem with bio--that stuff grows
>right along with you--but cyber? I don't think an otaku would take in
>an encephalon, not when it's made to conform to his skull when he's
>about 10-13 years old. Or am I just speculating here?

That depends on the cyber. An encephlon should be fine, ditto a datajack.
Skillwires, bone lacing etc would be problematic. Ditto wired reflexes....
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Message no. 44
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:13:46 EDT
In a message dated 9/7/1999 1:59:21 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
dghost@****.com writes:

> *phew* `:)
> I was worried I was missing something... I would think that the
> encephalon is a sort of percentage boost to brainpower ... as such the
> Otaku wouldn't really need to adjust to it more than anyone else ... the
> otaku just gets more bang for the buck. Image if everytime you upgrading
> your CPU you had to sit down and hack out upgrades for your software ...
> :)

That is *exactly* what I was imagining here D.Ghost...if you recall, we do
have Otaku in our games, and even with the errata and a few others things
helping them out, we do feel that on occasion the Otaku *must* perform their
own kind of "SOTA Maintenance". Their Forms don't suffer from the problem,
but if you change the hardware that is supporting their Living Persona (aka;
their minds), then you do have to do something.

Besides, it adds to some of the "flavor" a bit.

-K
Message no. 45
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:32:42 EDT
In a message dated 9/7/1999 6:39:44 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
Schizi@***.com writes:

> >
> > -K (NO, I'm not an employee, but anyone can make a good forgery if they
> > try... ;-)
>
> Oh, so sorry, they had to drop the Mitsuhama contract, and go with Bob's
> Drones and Badges. They HAVE had a few problems with it not recognizing
> things.
> OTOH, the bullet holes all over the place add a certain quality too, nay?
:-
> )

Too true....and are you sure? I was told Bob's Drones and Badges were owned
by Mitsuhama still ... what, you mean you boys didn't know that??? Maybe you
should go check the ownership rights out a little bit better ... ;-)

-K
Message no. 46
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:35:28 -0700
On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:13:46 EDT Ereskanti@***.com writes:
<SNIP>
> That is *exactly* what I was imagining here D.Ghost...if you recall,
we do
> have Otaku in our games, and even with the errata and a few others
things
> helping them out, we do feel that on occasion the Otaku *must* perform
their
> own kind of "SOTA Maintenance". Their Forms don't suffer from the
problem,
> but if you change the hardware that is supporting their Living Persona
(aka;
> their minds), then you do have to do something.

Going from a P-II to a P-III you'd get some extra functions that you may
make your spiffy program run better.
Going from a P-II 350 MHz to a P-II 400 MHz, all you get is more speed;
or better yet more MIPS (Millions of Instructions Per Second.). You see
an otaku implanted an encephalon as the first type of upgrade. I think
the otaku's brain already emulates the functionality of an encephalon and
thus the actual implantation of an encephalon is akin to the second type
of upgrade. Even if you see it as the first, there is a raw power boost
and the otaku should get some benefit without programming.

Here's a nastier, though ... should their be any compatability issues
when implanting an encephalon in an otaku? (ie, would otaku need a
different interface with the encephalon?)

> Besides, it adds to some of the "flavor" a bit.

I prefer original recipe, myself ... :P

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Message no. 47
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:51:33 EDT
In a message dated 9/9/1999 12:21:44 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
dghost@****.com writes:

> Here's a nastier, though ... should their be any compatability issues
> when implanting an encephalon in an otaku? (ie, would otaku need a
> different interface with the encephalon?)

Actually, *this* is another way of viewing exactly what we are trying to say.

> > Besides, it adds to some of the "flavor" a bit.
>
> I prefer original recipe, myself ... :P

BOOO HISSS!!!!! ;-)

-K
Message no. 48
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:31:51 -0700
On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:51:33 EDT Ereskanti@***.com writes:
> In a message dated 9/9/1999 12:21:44 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> dghost@****.com writes:
>
> > Here's a nastier, though ... should their be any compatability
issues
> > when implanting an encephalon in an otaku? (ie, would otaku need a
> > different interface with the encephalon?)

> Actually, *this* is another way of viewing exactly what we are trying
to say.

Not exactly ... I mean total incompatability. Like the otaku can't use
it all. Because the otaku brain already does many, if not all --- or
even more, of the encephalon's functions and hardware (or software)
alterations required are impractical/impossible for a streetdoc to
perform and/or slow down everything to negate any benefit for the
installation. Kind of like trying to run a dual processor system with a
Pentium chip and a Power PC chip ...

> > > Besides, it adds to some of the "flavor" a bit.

> > I prefer original recipe, myself ... :P

> BOOO HISSS!!!!! ;-)

(by original recipe, I mean pre-errata, btw, when they still had 11 herbs
and spices :P )

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Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx

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Message no. 49
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Otaku questions
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:54:11 EDT
In a message dated 9/9/1999 1:31:17 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
dghost@****.com writes:

> > Actually, *this* is another way of viewing exactly what we are trying
> to say.
>
> Not exactly ... I mean total incompatability. Like the otaku can't use
> it all. Because the otaku brain already does many, if not all --- or
> even more, of the encephalon's functions and hardware (or software)
> alterations required are impractical/impossible for a streetdoc to
> perform and/or slow down everything to negate any benefit for the
> installation. Kind of like trying to run a dual processor system with a
> Pentium chip and a Power PC chip ...

Ah, along the lines of "Dead End Technology" theory in the SOTA sections of
the various books. Hmm...for some reason I'm not wanting to agree with this,
but I think the reason I'm not recalling it is I'm not supposed to recall
it....gotta think about this for a bit.

-K

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