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Message no. 1
From: Mon goose <landsquid@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Otaku / rigging
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 04:17:01 PST
>Now I ask you the question, Why with enough datajack leads and some
>Forms could an Otaku not plug straight into the Vehicle Computers,
>controls, sensors etc bypassing all those slow computer's and 'ware
>that a rigger has to rely on?

Becuae an Otaku's brain, thanks to the resonance, understands the
language of the MATRIX, a subset of all existing computer types. The
matrix sends simsense signals of a specific kind- rigger adaptations and
CCCS send another.

Look at it this way: the living person a works for matrix opperations.

Thats computer/software/(matrix programing and decking), 2 specialized
skills. With otheraspectsof Computer, the Otaku may have a lot of
skill, but his "living persona" doesn't do him any good.

That also cuts down on theidea of "living cyberware", because all forms
ar MATRIX programs. Now, if the resonance understood cyberware, and
showed the Otaku how to prgram forms that could opperate thier body's
implants, you might get some freaky results. But I think that would
require that the resonace BE cyberware- the resonace IS the matrix, in a
sense. It is, at least, contact with analien mind that exists in the
matrix- no such thing exists in any other kind of computer.

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Message no. 2
From: Matthew Waddilove <m_waddilove@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Otaku / rigging
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 05:05:04 PST
>Mon goose said
>
>>Now I ask you the question, Why with enough datajack leads and some
>>Forms could an Otaku not plug straight into the Vehicle Computers,
>>controls, sensors etc bypassing all those slow computer's and 'ware
>>that a rigger has to rely on?
>
>Becuae an Otaku's brain, thanks to the resonance, understands the
>language of the MATRIX, a subset of all existing computer types. The

Please do correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that the language of the
matrix wasn't simsense I thought that the cyberdeck, and by extension an
Otaku, generated the simsense signal from the .

>matrix sends simsense signals of a specific kind- rigger adaptations
and
>CCCS send another.
>
>Look at it this way: the living person a works for matrix opperations.
>
>Thats computer/software/(matrix programing and decking), 2 specialized
>skills. With otheraspectsof Computer, the Otaku may have a lot of
>skill, but his "living persona" doesn't do him any good.
>
>That also cuts down on theidea of "living cyberware", because all forms
>ar MATRIX programs. Now, if the resonance understood cyberware, and
>showed the Otaku how to prgram forms that could opperate thier body's
>implants, you might get some freaky results. But I think that would
>require that the resonace BE cyberware- the resonace IS the matrix, in
a
>sense. It is, at least, contact with analien mind that exists in the
>matrix- no such thing exists in any other kind of computer.

I would argue that the Matrix IS part of cyberware and CCCS or at least
would understand cyberware and Rigger protocols because of
A: There are CCCS systems jacked into the matrix. there is a reference
in CorpSec when it's talking about control centres that the Decker
watches the CCCS system when there isn't a Rigger online (or something
like that I have'nt got the book here)
B: Where is CyberWare and CCCS designed? on Hosts which ... are
connected to the matrix.
C: (A more tenuous link here ;-) ) asuming that the Resonance is in
contact or similar with the Otaku then if an Otaku has a piece of,
Computing oriented at least(so I don't get shouted down by the people
believing this is heresy or the like), cyberware then the Resonance
could see it/at least be aware of it's function especially encephalons
and other 'ware that will directly effect the Otaku's performance in the
Matrix.



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Message no. 3
From: Matthew Waddilove <m_waddilove@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Otaku / rigging
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 05:07:30 PST
>Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 04:17:01 PST
>Reply-To: Shadowrun Discussion <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
>From: Mon goose <landsquid@*******.COM>
>Subject: Re: Otaku / rigging
>To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
>
>>Now I ask you the question, Why with enough datajack leads and some
>>Forms could an Otaku not plug straight into the Vehicle Computers,
>>controls, sensors etc bypassing all those slow computer's and 'ware
>>that a rigger has to rely on?
>
>Becuae an Otaku's brain, thanks to the resonance, understands the
>language of the MATRIX, a subset of all existing computer types. The
>matrix sends simsense signals of a specific kind- rigger adaptations
and
>CCCS send another.
>
>Look at it this way: the living person a works for matrix opperations.
>
>Thats computer/software/(matrix programing and decking), 2 specialized
>skills. With otheraspectsof Computer, the Otaku may have a lot of
>skill, but his "living persona" doesn't do him any good.
>
>That also cuts down on theidea of "living cyberware", because all forms
>ar MATRIX programs. Now, if the resonance understood cyberware, and
>showed the Otaku how to prgram forms that could opperate thier body's
>implants, you might get some freaky results. But I think that would
>require that the resonace BE cyberware- the resonace IS the matrix, in
a
>sense. It is, at least, contact with analien mind that exists in the
>matrix- no such thing exists in any other kind of computer.
>
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Message no. 4
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Otaku / rigging
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:22:49 EST
In a message dated 98-02-13 07:17:51 EST, landsquid@*******.COM writes:

> Becuae an Otaku's brain, thanks to the resonance, understands the
> language of the MATRIX, a subset of all existing computer types. The
> matrix sends simsense signals of a specific kind- rigger adaptations and
> CCCS send another.

Be careful there buddy, that is also not said in any of the books, you are
dealing in an implication. If it were -just- the matrix, then the ability to
interface with anything simsense would falter. BTW, they get their bonuses to
programming of -ALL- kinds (computer), thus it is not limited to matrix only.

I do agree that the VCR/CCSS is different than Matrix, but I also believe that
it would possible to devise some sort of "converter" or similar structure into
translating things. Protocol Emulation stuff was intro'd in Corporate
Security, and specifically made mention of rigging/decking. All of it has to
do with Simsense. That is where the crossover can be made/built/designed.

> Look at it this way: the living person a works for matrix opperations.

But not only matrix operations.

> Thats computer/software/(matrix programing and decking), 2 specialized
> skills. With otheraspectsof Computer, the Otaku may have a lot of
> skill, but his "living persona" doesn't do him any good.

Really, it already emulates given types of hardware, including the MPCP and
Persona Module of a Cranialdeck, and does it better for that matter. Making
the leap from "cyberdecks" to "neural cyberware" is not a big one,
hence the
reason that Mike and I were focusing on the "Living Persona Rating" as the
basis for a LOT of these "cyberforms".

> That also cuts down on theidea of "living cyberware", because all forms
> ar MATRIX programs. Now, if the resonance understood cyberware, and
> showed the Otaku how to prgram forms that could opperate thier body's
> implants, you might get some freaky results. But I think that would
> require that the resonace BE cyberware- the resonace IS the matrix, in a
> sense. It is, at least, contact with analien mind that exists in the
> matrix- no such thing exists in any other kind of computer.

Something tells me a "Read/Write Form" would work just fine on a computer that
was cybercapable OR standard. The trick is merely getting the access to it.
In SR terms, that means the Matrix-orientation due to the oversimplification
of the SR mechanics.

The Living Persona option for cyberware of a mental sort is not a big leap.
Going into physical augmentations, yes, even we here agree that is a "suicidal
jump".

-K
Message no. 5
From: Mon goose <landsquid@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Otaku / rigging
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 05:43:24 PST
>>>Now I ask you the question, Why with enough datajack leads and some
>>>Forms could an Otaku not plug straight into the Vehicle Computers,
>>>controls, sensors etc bypassing all those slow computer's and 'ware
>>>that a rigger has to rely on?
>>
>>Becuase an Otaku's brain, thanks to the resonance, understands the
>>language of the MATRIX, a subset of all existing computer types.
>
>Please do correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that the language of
the matrix wasn't simsense I thought that the cyberdeck, and by
extension an Otaku, generated the simsense signal from the .
>

Your right, but the matrix also includes information that describes what
simsense imagery should be used to describe it. Point is, what the
Otaku do is not the same as rigging or computing- its decking. The
"resonance" grants an understanding of matrix operations. The reason I
see for Otaku not needinga deck is that thier mind understands the
"cues" used for simsense creation in a deck, and can output data the
matrix understands (probaly a similar set of "cues").

>I would argue that the Matrix IS part of cyberware and CCCS or at
least would understand cyberware and Rigger protocols because of

>A: There are CCCS systems jacked into the matrix. there is a reference
in CorpSec when it's talking about control centres that the Decker
watches the CCCS system when there isn't a Rigger online (or >something
like that I have'nt got the book here)

Decker cound do that with a RPEM, but he'd be doing it by jacking right
into the CCCS system. It'scounter productive getting a CCCS system if
your going to hook it to the matrix- you keep it seperate for security.
Note that the protocals are different enough that, even with the
emulator, deckers have a lot of trouble with cccs.

>B: Where is CyberWare and CCCS designed? on Hosts which ... are
>connected to the matrix.

That was what I meant by "if the resonance understood cyber". In fact,
I imagine that "UV" hosts, which are, to a decker, exactly like the
"real world", are some entities attemt to model and understand
"reality"
and its inhabetants.

>C: (A more tenuous link here ;-) ) asuming that the Resonance is in
>contact or similar with the Otaku then if an Otaku has a piece of,
>Computing oriented at least(so I don't get shouted down by the people
>believing this is heresy or the like), cyberware then the Resonance
>could see it/at least be aware of it's function especially encephalons
and other 'ware that will directly effect the Otaku's performance in the
Matrix.
>

MMMMMAybe. I don't think that the signals output would differ- the
otaku's judgement would just be better. By the same token, If such
'wares help an otaku at all, otaku decking must be pretty similar to
regular decking.

I'd grant this point if the Otaku had a headware cyberdeck, which maybe
some of the early ones did. Hell, I'm sure the "resonance entity" has
met plenty of NON otaky deckers and picked thier minds, so to speak.
Another good use for those "UV" hosts, as they'd tend to attract the
hotshots with the boss 'wares.

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Message no. 6
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Otaku / rigging
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:10:43 EST
In a message dated 98-02-13 08:44:09 EST, landsquid@*******.COM writes:

> MMMMMAybe. I don't think that the signals output would differ- the
> otaku's judgement would just be better. By the same token, If such
> 'wares help an otaku at all, otaku decking must be pretty similar to
> regular decking.

Funny, they do use the same rules, just a different set of "programs"...and
actually, there is nothing that says an Otaku can't use programs instead of
forms. They just need the "active memory" designed and implemented. Sure,
they wouldn't get their bonuses perhaps, as that seems a fair trade IMO.

The only thing that stops the average, or at least beginning, Otaku is the
concept of beginning money. The book says not more than 5000 nuyen, IIRC.
Enough for a datajack (Level 1 is only 900 IIRC) and perhaps an SPU (Math) of
lower level. They don't really need anything else to begin with.

> I'd grant this point if the Otaku had a headware cyberdeck, which maybe
> some of the early ones did. Hell, I'm sure the "resonance entity" has
> met plenty of NON otaky deckers and picked thier minds, so to speak.
> Another good use for those "UV" hosts, as they'd tend to attract the
> hotshots with the boss 'wares.

Interesting Squid, you are applying the "entity" concept to the Resonance.
One thing you would want to remember, if you are going to treat it as such,
then you may want to consider it's motivations.

One of which would be to learn and adapt to everything it can gain access to
in any way, which includes VCR related hardware and software.

-K (who likes getting the parties Otaku involved in designing TAPS and
Clearsight)
Message no. 7
From: Da Twink Daddy <twinkie@*******.DMSC.K12.AR.US>
Subject: Re: Otaku / rigging
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:18:56 -0600
-----Original Message-----
From: J. Keith Henry <Ereskanti@***.COM>


>In a message dated 98-02-13 07:17:51 EST, landsquid@*******.COM writes:
>
>> Becuae an Otaku's brain, thanks to the resonance, understands the
>> language of the MATRIX, a subset of all existing computer types. The
>> matrix sends simsense signals of a specific kind- rigger adaptations and
>> CCCS send another.


Well, I'm writing this after hte rest of my post and so, I'd have to say the
reason it doesn't work is because deep resonance doesn't exist/work outside
the matrix.

>Be careful there buddy, that is also not said in any of the books, you are
>dealing in an implication. If it were -just- the matrix, then the ability
to
>interface with anything simsense would falter. BTW, they get their bonuses
to
>programming of -ALL- kinds (computer), thus it is not limited to matrix
only.


Actually, they don't. Channels only apply to Matrix acrtivites. If you are
talking about the technoshaman/cyberadept benefits, One affects complex
forms (Only matrix) and the other affects Cannels (Only Matrix)

>I do agree that the VCR/CCSS is different than Matrix, but I also believe
that
>it would possible to devise some sort of "converter" or similar structure
into
>translating things. Protocol Emulation stuff was intro'd in Corporate
>Security, and specifically made mention of rigging/decking. All of it has
to
>do with Simsense. That is where the crossover can be made/built/designed.
>
>> Look at it this way: the living person a works for matrix opperations.
>
>But not only matrix operations.
>
>> Thats computer/software/(matrix programing and decking), 2 specialized
>> skills. With otheraspectsof Computer, the Otaku may have a lot of
>> skill, but his "living persona" doesn't do him any good.
>
>Really, it already emulates given types of hardware, including the MPCP and
>Persona Module of a Cranialdeck, and does it better for that matter.
Making
>the leap from "cyberdecks" to "neural cyberware" is not a big one,
hence
the
>reason that Mike and I were focusing on the "Living Persona Rating" as the
>basis for a LOT of these "cyberforms".


Actually, you are just looking at the rules. FASA tried to make Otaku fit as
much into normal decking as possible (no need to make them even MORE
complex) so, they likened a living persona's rating to a cyberdeck However,
Living Persona <> Cyberdeck. A lining persona is much more, yet much more
limited.

>> That also cuts down on theidea of "living cyberware", because all
forms
>> ar MATRIX programs. Now, if the resonance understood cyberware, and
>> showed the Otaku how to prgram forms that could opperate thier body's
>> implants, you might get some freaky results. But I think that would
>> require that the resonace BE cyberware- the resonace IS the matrix, in a
>> sense. It is, at least, contact with analien mind that exists in the
>> matrix- no such thing exists in any other kind of computer.


Right, the deep resonance does aid is cyberware programming because it
doesn't exist in cyberware. It surrounds the matrix almost like the astral
plane "surrounds" the earth. (I love likening Otaku to Mages better than to
deckers.) You could almost view it as a nother astral/meta plane that came
into the existance because of all the living beings in it. ASSIST+Deckers
inadventantly created the deep resonace and Otaku have learned how to use
it. YOu might say that the deepresonance isn't actually in the Otaku, but
they are the only ones that can access it. Similar to the way that all the
life on earth created the astral plane (how else can you explain the
comeplete lack of astral in space) and then mages learned how to use it.

>Something tells me a "Read/Write Form" would work just fine on a computer
that
>was cybercapable OR standard. The trick is merely getting the access to
it.
>In SR terms, that means the Matrix-orientation due to the
oversimplification
>of the SR mechanics.


Well, no, because the way a Otaku "programs" it, it only works in
conjunction with the Matrix.

>The Living Persona option for cyberware of a mental sort is not a big leap.
>Going into physical augmentations, yes, even we here agree that is a
"suicidal
>jump".


I don't know... remember the deep resonance only exists on the matrix. And
it only aids Matrix Operations.

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Message no. 8
From: losthalo <losthalo@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Otaku / rigging
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:37:30 -0500
At 08:22 AM 2/13/98 EST, you wrote:
>> Thats computer/software/(matrix programing and decking), 2 specialized
>> skills. With otheraspectsof Computer, the Otaku may have a lot of
>> skill, but his "living persona" doesn't do him any good.
>
>Really, it already emulates given types of hardware, including the MPCP and
>Persona Module of a Cranialdeck, and does it better for that matter.
Actually, it emulates software, and software only. Persona progs and MPCP
are just programs that, instead of being run in memory, are burnt into an
optical chip permanently (prolly because they'd be enormous memory hogs
otherwise). So the Otaku isn't emulating any hardware with his brain, just
software, in this regard. The place I'm a little foggy on, but I still
think it's a matter of software emulation, is translating incoming binary
into simsense, and outgoiing simsense into binary. But that still is
software I think, the datajack is actual cyber, so all the Otaku is doing
is a different sort of processing with his brain.

Making
>the leap from "cyberdecks" to "neural cyberware" is not a big one,
hence the
>reason that Mike and I were focusing on the "Living Persona Rating" as the
>basis for a LOT of these "cyberforms".

I don't think developing an Encephalon or MathSPU would be along the lines
of creating a decking 'form', rather it would be along the lines of
learning to become an Otaku in the first place. That is, years of hard
work and familiarity with the item in question.

>The Living Persona option for cyberware of a mental sort is not a big leap.
>Going into physical augmentations, yes, even we here agree that is a
"suicidal
>jump".

I still think the mental cyber emulation *would* be a big leap, in time
required to develop it. And who, really, would spend years trying to build
a Math SPU in their brain, taking away from other things they could be
learning (like what they'd use the SPU for once they had it) rather than
just getting the cyber implanted and getting *on* with it.

Note: I have no problem with this sort of thing being developed, I'm just
asking questions about the *how*, and *why* of it.

losthalo
Message no. 9
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Otaku / rigging
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 00:07:52 EST
In a message dated 98-02-13 11:42:05 EST, losthalo@********.COM writes:

> Note: I have no problem with this sort of thing being developed, I'm just
> asking questions about the *how*, and *why* of it.
>
> losthalo
>
And I am still trying to come up with a more detailed way of explaining it.
Of course, when I do, it's all going up on the web site...

-K
Message no. 10
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Otaku / rigging
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 00:12:02 EST
In a message dated 98-02-13 10:51:52 EST, you write:

> >Be careful there buddy, that is also not said in any of the books, you are
> >dealing in an implication. If it were -just- the matrix, then the ability
> to
> >interface with anything simsense would falter. BTW, they get their
bonuses
> to
> >programming of -ALL- kinds (computer), thus it is not limited to matrix
> only.
>
>
> Actually, they don't. Channels only apply to Matrix acrtivites. If you are
> talking about the technoshaman/cyberadept benefits, One affects complex
> forms (Only matrix) and the other affects Cannels (Only Matrix)
>
Actually, I was referring to the "Task Bonus" section of their ability to
program in general.

-K

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Message no. 11
From: Fade <runefo@***.UIO.NO>
Subject: Re: Otaku / rigging
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 21:16:31 +0000
A small, incoherent ramble on the subject...

It is mentioned several places that decking
and rigging is done with completely different parts of the brain, and
that they're not very compatible. Take that into consideration as you
wish, but it is, I suspect, another of those 'mages get +X tn while
decking' kinds of rules - that is, an attempt to make the SR system
more 'classed'. There's a lot of cyber which is extremely useful for
both, so they probably just didn't find any better rule to make them
less symbiotic - which is as good a reason as any to ignore that
rule, I guess, especially in the case of Otaku, who cannot use cyber,
but that doesn't mean it should be discounted, either.

--
Fade

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"To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven."
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Message no. 12
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Otaku / rigging
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:06:46 -0700
Fade wrote:
/
/ A small, incoherent ramble on the subject...
/
/ It is mentioned several places that decking
/ and rigging is done with completely different parts of the brain, and
/ that they're not very compatible. Take that into consideration as you
/ wish, but it is, I suspect, another of those 'mages get +X tn while
/ decking' kinds of rules - that is, an attempt to make the SR system
/ more 'classed'.

I disagree. IMO it is very reasonable.

Decking requires a decker to direct his programs, much like playing a
game of chess or a video game. This requires the use of the frontal
lobe or conscious part of the brain. Ergo, the datajack is wired
primarily into the frontal lobe.

Rigger's control their vehicle(s) as if it were their own body. A
rigger's control interface is primarily wired to their motor cortex
to allow them to feel their vehicle.

-David
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Message no. 13
From: Fade <runefo@***.UIO.NO>
Subject: Re: Otaku / rigging
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 04:30:31 +0000
David Buehrer wrote:
> / It is mentioned several places that decking
> / and rigging is done with completely different parts of the brain, and
> / that they're not very compatible. Take that into consideration as you
> / wish, but it is, I suspect, another of those 'mages get +X tn while
> / decking' kinds of rules - that is, an attempt to make the SR system
> / more 'classed'.

> Decking requires a decker to direct his programs, much like playing a
> game of chess or a video game. This requires the use of the frontal
> lobe or conscious part of the brain. Ergo, the datajack is wired
> primarily into the frontal lobe.
>
> Rigger's control their vehicle(s) as if it were their own body. A
> rigger's control interface is primarily wired to their motor cortex
> to allow them to feel their vehicle.

Well, what then is the VCR for? I'd think the VCR hooked into the
appropriate parts of the brain, and the datajack connected into the
VCR or whatever other application needs IO at the moment. That way
it'd keep things nice and abstract. And there is a lot of things you
do while rigging that is purely based on reason, and not the motoric
system - why do you then not need an extra datajack for those, if
they were so separate in function?

(My current understanding is that the VCR comes with a basic datajack
included. Anything else - higher rated datajack for better
perception, or datajack suited for decking - is extra. I do not have
a problem with this, but it does seem like an unnecessary
complication.).
--
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"To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven."
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Message no. 14
From: Da Twink Daddy <twinkie@*******.DMSC.K12.AR.US>
Subject: Re: Otaku / rigging
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:29:32 -0600
-----Original Message-----
From: J. Keith Henry <Ereskanti@***.COM>


>> Actually, they don't. Channels only apply to Matrix acrtivites. If you
are
>> talking about the technoshaman/cyberadept benefits, One affects complex
>> forms (Only matrix) and the other affects Cannels (Only Matrix)
>>
>Actually, I was referring to the "Task Bonus" section of their ability to
>program in general.


I don't have my book here with me now, but, I'm thinking that, as a GM, I
would have to rule that it doesn't apply... I don't see the Otaku being
espically adept with anything 'cept matrix stuff. Don't quote me on this,
like I said, I don't have my books with me.

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Message no. 15
From: Da Twink Daddy <twinkie@*******.DMSC.K12.AR.US>
Subject: Re: Otaku / rigging
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:32:03 -0600
-----Original Message-----
From: Fade <runefo@***.UIO.NO>

rule, I guess, especially in the case of Otaku, who cannot use cyber,


Huh? Who says that Otaku can't use cyber? Is it canon somewhere/house
rule/or just a slip of the tongue that will probably become someone's house
rule.

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Message no. 16
From: Rune Fostervoll <runefo@***.UIO.NO>
Subject: Re: Otaku / rigging
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:03:05 GMT
Da twink wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Fade <runefo@***.UIO.NO>
>>
>>rule, I guess, especially in the case of Otaku, who cannot use cyber,
>>

>Huh? Who says that Otaku can't use cyber? Is it canon somewhere/house
>rule/or just a slip of the tongue that will probably become someone's house
>rule.

You do not quote enough of that line, becuase out of context I do not remember
saying that. I probably meant either that Otaku does not start with cyber, as
they do not have enough cash, or otherwise a slip of the tongue, because
AFAIK Otaku can use cyber and I do not post willfully erroneous posts.

(Okay, everyone's screaming for snipping posts but don't snip *MORE* than
appropriate, ok? USe some discretion for crying out loud! :)
Message no. 17
From: Czar Eggbert <czregbrt@*********.EDU>
Subject: Re: Otaku / rigging
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 05:00:53 -0600
On Sun, 15 Feb 1998, Fade wrote:

>
> (My current understanding is that the VCR comes with a basic datajack
> included. Anything else - higher rated datajack for better
> perception, or datajack suited for decking - is extra. I do not have
> a problem with this, but it does seem like an unnecessary
> complication.).

Accually if you read the BBB description of a VCR it states that
it doesn't come with the required datajack.

-=>Czar

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