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Message no. 1
From: seb@***.ripco.com (Sebastian Wiers)
Subject: Otaku trolls+dwarves
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 14:20:52 -0600 (CST)
Hey, what if you want a dwarven or troll otaku, and you wnt to use the "assign
1 to all physical attributes, etc etc, get +2 mental, etc" creation type.
Well, both metas get -1 quickness; does this mean a super smart Otaku who is a
troll or dwarf has quickness 0? Don't you have to assign at least 2 points to
quickness when creating a dwarf or troll? Dont YOU want a dwarf otaku with a
starting Will of 9?
seb
Message no. 2
From: Nathan Walker <NTWALKER@******.SUNYGENESEE.CC.NY.US>
Subject: Re: Otaku trolls+dwarves
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 16:07:06 -0500 (EST)
Klingon Name: Captain K'vort, Commander, DSF C7 "Victory"
MIME: We shoot them here.

From: seb@***.ripco.com (Sebastian Wiers)
>Hey, what if you want a dwarven or troll otaku, and you wnt to use the "assign

Ummm... Maybe I'm wrong, but I could have sworn that Otaku are only allowed
to be human. I think I read that somewhere, but it might have just been
something else.

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Message no. 3
From: sedahdro@*****.com (Victor Rodriguez, Jr)
Subject: Re: Otaku trolls+dwarves
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 95 16:46 EST
>Ummm... Maybe I'm wrong, but I could have sworn that Otaku are only allowed
>to be human. I think I read that somewhere, but it might have just been
>something else.
Otaku can be Metahuman, if so you must take priority A in race and B in
resources, unless you GM uses the "more Metahumans Rule". This is all under
the Building an Otaku pg144 VR2.
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Message no. 4
From: GLENN.ROBERTSON@***.Edu
Subject: Re: Otaku trolls+dwarves
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 19:01:11 -0700 (MST)
> Hey, what if you want a dwarven or troll otaku, and you wnt to use the "assign
> 1 to all physical attributes, etc etc, get +2 mental, etc" creation type.
> Well, both metas get -1 quickness; does this mean a super smart Otaku who is a
> troll or dwarf has quickness 0? Don't you have to assign at least 2 points to
> quickness when creating a dwarf or troll? Dont YOU want a dwarf otaku with a
> starting Will of 9?
> seb
>
I'm confused. What is an otaku? Has this Shadowrun list degenerated
into an Earth Dawn list or something? I keep finding talk about stuff I
don't recognize. I've read most all of the novels and have most of the
sourcebooks. If this is all SR stuff, where can I read up on it??

Confused,
Glenn
Message no. 5
From: Justin Thomas <Justin.C.Thomas-1@**.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: Otaku trolls+dwarves
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 95 20:06:27 -0600
>I'm confused. What is an otaku? Has this Shadowrun list degenerated
>into an Earth Dawn list or something? I keep finding talk about stuff I
>don't recognize. I've read most all of the novels and have most of the
>sourcebooks. If this is all SR stuff, where can I read up on it??
>
>Confused,
>Glenn
>

Well Glen, be confused no longer, the missing source book you so desperatly
seek is title, (are you ready for this?) Virtual Realities 2.0

does that answer your question?
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Message no. 6
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Otaku trolls+dwarves
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 11:11:29 +0100
GLENN.ROBERTSON@***.Edu said on 8 Dec 95...

> I'm confused. What is an otaku? Has this Shadowrun list degenerated
> into an Earth Dawn list or something? I keep finding talk about stuff I
> don't recognize. I've read most all of the novels and have most of the
> sourcebooks. If this is all SR stuff, where can I read up on it??

Otaku are the "children of the matrix." They first appear in the Denver
sourcebox, and full rules on using them as PCs are in Virtual Realities
2.0. Basically they can deck without a cyberdeck ;)

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Message no. 7
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Otaku trolls+dwarves
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 11:11:29 +0100
Sebastian Wiers said on 8 Dec 95...

> Hey, what if you want a dwarven or troll otaku, and you wnt to use the
> "assign 1 to all physical attributes, etc etc, get +2 mental, etc"
> creation type. Well, both metas get -1 quickness; does this mean a super
> smart Otaku who is a troll or dwarf has quickness 0?

I'd say what that rule actually means is that you end up with a 1 in each
Attribute _after_ racial modifications, not that you have to assign 1
point to them and then deduct 1 because of the racial modifiers, and
thereby end up with a Quickness of 0.

> Dont YOU want a dwarf otaku with a starting Will of 9? seb

He'd be a pain in the ass to hurt in cybercombat, that's for sure :)


Nathan Walker said on 8 Dec 95...

> Ummm... Maybe I'm wrong, but I could have sworn that Otaku are only allowed
> to be human. I think I read that somewhere, but it might have just been
> something else.

The first thing said about building an otaku character is "Otaku may be of
any race." :)

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Message no. 8
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Otaku trolls+dwarves
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 11:43:25 +0000 (GMT)
>
> I'm confused. What is an otaku? Has this Shadowrun list degenerated
> into an Earth Dawn list or something? I keep finding talk about stuff I
> don't recognize. I've read most all of the novels and have most of the
> sourcebooks. If this is all SR stuff, where can I read up on it??
>
> Confused,
> Glenn
>
>
FASA recently launched Virtual Realities II, Cybertechnology and will soon
release Awakenings. I *THINK* otaku are some type of natural deckers from
the way the thread's been going, but I don't think the books have reached
Britain yet, or if they have I haven't seen them.

GOD I WANT TO SEE THOSE BOOKS!

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Message no. 9
From: Nathan Walker <NTWALKER@******.SUNYGENESEE.CC.NY.US>
Subject: Re: Otaku trolls+dwarves
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 08:48:59 -0500 (EST)
Klingon Name: Captain K'vort, Commander, DSF C7 "Victory"
MIME: We shoot them here.

Gurth <biggeek@******.nl> wrote:
> Ummm... Maybe I'm wrong, but I could have sworn that Otaku are only allowed
> to be human. I think I read that somewhere, but it might have just been
> something else.
The first thing said about building an otaku character is "Otaku may be of
any race." :)

That's why I put that "I may be wrong" in there....

Because I'm usually wrong... :)

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Message no. 10
From: The Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Otaku trolls+dwarves
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 14:13:13 +0000 (GMT)
On Fri, 8 Dec 1995, Sebastian Wiers wrote:

> Hey, what if you want a dwarven or troll otaku, and you wnt to use the "assign
> 1 to all physical attributes, etc etc, get +2 mental, etc" creation type.
> Well, both metas get -1 quickness; does this mean a super smart Otaku who is a
> troll or dwarf has quickness 0? Don't you have to assign at least 2 points to
> quickness when creating a dwarf or troll? Dont YOU want a dwarf otaku with a
> starting Will of 9?

Well, why don't you say that as they must put at least 2 poiints into
Quickness, then they have to put NO points into either Body or Strength
-the statsitic will be made up purely of the racial modifiers eg the +5
Body or whatever it is for a troll. So in total only 3 points are put
into physical attributes -but it doesn't matter where (although in teh
case of humans, they of course have to put 1 in each attribute).


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Message no. 11
From: sedahdro@*****.com (Victor Rodriguez, Jr)
Subject: Re: Otaku trolls+dwarves
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 95 14:57 EST
>I'm confused. What is an otaku? Has this Shadowrun list degenerated
>into an Earth Dawn list or something? I keep finding talk about stuff I
>don't recognize. I've read most all of the novels and have most of the
>sourcebooks. If this is all SR stuff, where can I read up on it??

Check out VR2 pg 144-148. It was released about two weeks ago.
---Sedah Drol
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Message no. 12
From: sedahdro@*****.com (Victor Rodriguez, Jr)
Subject: Re: Otaku trolls+dwarves
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 95 15:21 EST
>FASA recently launched Virtual Realities II, Cybertechnology and will soon
>release Awakenings. I *THINK* otaku are some type of natural deckers from
>the way the thread's been going, but I don't think the books have reached
>Britain yet, or if they have I haven't seen them.
>
>GOD I WANT TO SEE THOSE BOOKS!
Actually I think the book reached Britain, before it reached most places in
the states. I recall somebody for Britain announced that the book was released.
---Sedah Drol
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Message no. 13
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Otaku trolls+dwarves
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 12:05:06 +0100
Nathan Walker said on 9 Dec 95...

> Gurth <biggeek@******.nl> wrote:

What have I done to you, anyway?

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Message no. 14
From: HALOWEEN JACK <SBC3KCB@*******.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Otaku trolls+dwarves
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 11:39:23 GMT
Yes the books are available in Britian as I was the first to bring up
a question about the otaku. I've had VR2 about 3 weeks now maybe more
Message no. 15
From: seb@***.ripco.com (Sebastian Wiers)
Subject: Re: Otaku trolls+dwarves
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 18:32:38 -0600 (CST)
>
> On Fri, 8 Dec 1995, Sebastian Wiers wrote:
>
> > Hey, what if you want a dwarven or troll otaku, and you wnt to use the
"assign
> > 1 to all physical attributes, etc etc, get +2 mental, etc" creation type.
> > Well, both metas get -1 quickness; does this mean a super smart Otaku who is a
> > troll or dwarf has quickness 0? Don't you have to assign at least 2 points to
> > quickness when creating a dwarf or troll? Dont YOU want a dwarf otaku with a
> > starting Will of 9?
>
> Well, why don't you say that as they must put at least 2 poiints into
> Quickness, then they have to put NO points into either Body or Strength
> -the statsitic will be made up purely of the racial modifiers eg the +5
> Body or whatever it is for a troll. So in total only 3 points are put
> into physical attributes -but it doesn't matter where (although in teh
> case of humans, they of course have to put 1 in each attribute).
>
>
> The Digital Mage : mn3rge@****.ac.uk

Nice Idea. Technically, you are required to assign at least 1 to every
attribute, but otaku, particularrly the supper smart, are often sickly or
whatever- I like.
seb
Message no. 16
From: seb@***.ripco.com (Sebastian Wiers)
Subject: Re: Otaku trolls+dwarves
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 18:44:07 -0600 (CST)
>
> Sebastian Wiers said on 8 Dec 95...
>
> > Hey, what if you want a dwarven or troll otaku, and you wnt to use the
> > "assign 1 to all physical attributes, etc etc, get +2 mental, etc"
> > creation type. Well, both metas get -1 quickness; does this mean a super
> > smart Otaku who is a troll or dwarf has quickness 0?
>
> I'd say what that rule actually means is that you end up with a 1 in each
> Attribute _after_ racial modifications, not that you have to assign 1
> point to them and then deduct 1 because of the racial modifiers, and
> thereby end up with a Quickness of 0.
>
No sir, I don't like it. I would not allow any caracter to apply NEGATIVE
creation attribut points. Trolls, for example, can not start with 1
strength. I like the idea of only 3 points for physical attributes, though.
And halfing racial max means trolls start almost at racail max!
Message no. 17
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Otaku trolls+dwarves
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 12:59:10 +0100
Sebastian Wiers said on 11 Dec 95...

> > I'd say what that rule actually means is that you end up with a 1 in each
> > Attribute _after_ racial modifications, not that you have to assign 1
> > point to them and then deduct 1 because of the racial modifiers, and
> > thereby end up with a Quickness of 0.
> >
> No sir, I don't like it. I would not allow any caracter to apply NEGATIVE
> creation attribut points. Trolls, for example, can not start with 1
> strength. I like the idea of only 3 points for physical attributes, though.

Read more carefully. What I said is that IMHO you _cannot_ start with an
Attribute of 0 or less, but instead must assign enough points to each
attribute so that _after_ modification it is 1 or higher.

> And halfing racial max means trolls start almost at racail max!

Wouldn't you also halve the racial modifiers? So trolls would get +3
(or +2, if you want to round down) Body instead of +5.
instad of +5

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Message no. 18
From: seb@***.ripco.com (Sebastian Wiers)
Subject: Re: Otaku trolls+dwarves
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 14:30:02 -0600 (CST)
> > No sir, I don't like it. I would not allow any caracter to apply NEGATIVE
> > creation attribut points. Trolls, for example, can not start with 1
> > strength. I like the idea of only 3 points for physical attributes, though.
>
> Read more carefully. What I said is that IMHO you _cannot_ start with an
> Attribute of 0 or less, but instead must assign enough points to each
> attribute so that _after_ modification it is 1 or higher.

I read carefully, when lambasting wally the zen monowhipper. SRII says to
assign at least one point to all attributes, then apply racial modifiers.
There is no way to start with an attribute lower than racail mod+1, if you
follow the caracter creation steps one at a time.
>
> > And halfing racial max means trolls start almost at racail max!
>
> Wouldn't you also halve the racial modifiers? So trolls would get +3
> (or +2, if you want to round down) Body instead of +5.
> instad of +5
>
No, nothing was said about racial modifiers bieng affected by Otaku carecter
generation.
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>
Aparently we have a new, well written, concise set of rules to be confused
about.
Message no. 19
From: Nathan Walker <NTWALKER@******.SUNYGENESEE.CC.NY.US>
Subject: Re: Otaku trolls+dwarves
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 18:23:37 -0500 (EST)
Klingon Name: Captain K'vort, Commander, DSF C7 "Victory"
MIME: We shoot them here.

From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
>Nathan Walker said on 9 Dec 95...
>
>> Gurth <biggeek@******.nl> wrote:
>
>What have I done to you, anyway?

Nothing... I just felt an uncontrollable urge to pick on you... It's
kind of fun, really...

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Message no. 20
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Otaku trolls+dwarves
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 11:15:17 +0100
Sebastian Wiers said on 12 Dec 95...

> I read carefully, when lambasting wally the zen monowhipper.

That was Jani's character, not mine... I told him when he explained his
views on those rules to me that I thought it wasn't the case. I have never
allowed any metahuman character to assign negative points to attributes.

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