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Message no. 1
From: Frank Pelletier (Trinity) fpelletier@******.usherb.ca
Subject: [OT] Bull (was [OT] General List Behavior and Attitude towards FASA)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:10:09 -0400
Bull <bull@*******.net> once wrote,

> Who me? I'm cuddly :] Ask anyone :]
>
> Anyways, to address a few things before I do this for some dumbass reason
:]
>
> First off keep in mind two things: 1) Bull was part of a two man team,
> along with a Coyote Shaman. Both characters learned to branch out early
on
> simply to survive. and 2) Bull became what he did because Tinner fdelt
> the urge to throw anything and everything at us :]
>
> Also to address the Intelligence/Decker issue concerning Trogs vs. Humans,
> well... It's all in how you look at it. Non-trogs have a higher
potential
> for intelligence than Trogs, but as far as decking goes, Intelligence
isn;t
> quite everything. Once you hit a certain point (above 7 or 8), it all
> becomes a wierd, moot point. Plus without the hardware and programs to
> back it up, doesn;t really matter how smart you are. It's all in
> perspective, but (as you'll see) Bull currently has an Intelligence of 12.
> How many characters, even deckers, have an Intelligence that high? Other
> than characters that are 5 plus years old and had nothing better to spend
> karma on.
>
> Anyways, here we go... Enjoy, though god only knows why you want to see
> this drek :]

<snipped>

Hell, I'm surprised. I would've expected some monstrous munchie beast, but
he's quite alright. Very, very skillfull, able to handle himself well in a
fight, and can deck with the best of 'em (which is to be expected, after 8
years). Haze was only 4-5 years old, and frankly, he was faster/stronger,
but didn't have half the skills Bull the PC has.

Hats off Bull, you managed to keep your character humble through 8 years.
Not many people can say that.

Trinity
---------------------------------------------
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Message no. 2
From: Daniel Brace dbrace@**********.com
Subject: [OT] Bull (was [OT] General List Behavior and Attitude towards FASA)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:31:28 -0400
All Hail the mighty Bull!!!

Phantom, you and Bull should get together and swap recipes(programs). :)


BlackWidow-
"There's no business, like Shadow business, it's the only business we know."
-For Phantom
Message no. 3
From: Daniel Brace dbrace@**********.com
Subject: [OT] Bull (was [OT] General List Behavior and Attitude towardsFASA)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:13:03 -0400
>With Cyber and Bio you can go above your 1.5. And Tinner cut me some
>slack, since depending on whether you round up or down, the 1.5 for an Ork
>is 7 or 8. We went with 8.
>Bull

Bad Tinner, don't you know you're always supposed to go against the players
in ShadowRun? :)

BlackWidow-
"There's no business, like Shadow business, it's the only business we know."
-For Phantom
Message no. 4
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [OT] Bull (was [OT] General List Behavior and Attitude towardsFASA)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:09:03 -0700 (PDT)
<Snipples(TM)>
> With Cyber and Bio you can go above your 1.5. And Tinner cut me some
slack, since depending on whether you round up or down, the 1.5 for an
Ork is 7 or 8. We went with 8.
>
> And as for can he go to 12 under SR3... Provided they don;t change
Bio too much, and assuming your GM lets you round up on the Stat Max...
Yes :]
>
> Bull

Just so we don't get everyone too confused, you DO round up when
determining attribute maximums. I don't think it was explicitly stated
in SR2 (probably because there WEREN'T any actual maximums, just
suggestions), but in SR3 it IS stated. You round up. There's actually a
table for it, and orks have a maximum intelligence of 8.

Of course, this shouldn't concern the more munchkinous amongst us, as
they always would have rounded up in any case. :)

Btw, don't y'all go starting in on people whose characters are gonna be
stuffed by the new cyber/bio rules and callin' 'em all munchies. I've
got a little lady who I'm gonna have trouble with - and she sure as
hell ain't munched. Hell, she's only got 3 points of cyber. But she's
gonna pop under the new rules because she does have a bunch of bioware.
And that really irritates me, because she's such a great concept, but
unless they seriously lower the essence "cost" of bioware in M&M, she
just can't be done anymore. And that sux.

Oh well. Me gettin' OT. Me no rant no more.

*Doc' goes and sulks in the corner...*
==Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow)

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Message no. 5
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: [OT] Bull (was [OT] General List Behavior and Attitude towardsFASA)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:07:12 -0500
> Btw, don't y'all go starting in on people whose characters are gonna be
> stuffed by the new cyber/bio rules and callin' 'em all munchies. I've
> got a little lady who I'm gonna have trouble with - and she sure as
> hell ain't munched. Hell, she's only got 3 points of cyber. But she's
> gonna pop under the new rules because she does have a bunch of bioware.
> And that really irritates me, because she's such a great concept, but
> unless they seriously lower the essence "cost" of bioware in M&M, she
> just can't be done anymore. And that sux.

Don't feel so all alone, Doc'; Dancer's just gonna plain implode. I'm not
at all sure I'm going to like the new bioware rules, either. I'm sure I'll
adapt, but....

OTOH, Mike M. did say something to me about grandfathering SR/SR2 veteran
characters the other night in Instant Messenger, so there's a chance that
horrible things aren't going to happen.

--
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El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.
Message no. 6
From: Barbie LeVile barbie@********.de
Subject: [OT] Bull (was [OT] General List Behavior and Attitude towardsFASA)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:51:14 +0200
GreyWolf wrote:
>
>
> I sympathise. I know a certain rigger who is going to go out in a blaze of
> gory (spelling intended) when the M&M book comes out.
>
> <sigh>
>
Where is the problem there? don`t use the new rules then. Simple

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Message no. 7
From: Steven A. Tinner bluewizard@*****.com
Subject: [OT] Bull (was [OT] General List Behavior and Attitude towardsFASA)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:09:51 -0400
>Bad Tinner, don't you know you're always supposed to go against the players
>in ShadowRun? :)

True evil can never be fully appreciated unless there is something to
compare it to.
I dole out my generosity in small doses, using it as a spice to flavor the
full melange of my evil.

Like any EGM should! ;-)

Besides, ALWAYS is a word to avoid when dishing out evil.
Wanna know the most evil thing I ever did to Bull?
IMO it was when I had his wife and kids throw him a surprise party.
Thanks to playing up how she was sneaking around, and how the kids wouldn't
talk to him, he assumed that she was cheating on him, and/or getting ready
to leave him.
Bull was totally distraught, and actually became a little suicidal! ;-)

>Besides, I had just lopped off his arm, blown up is 500,000 nuyen van, and
injected him with Wasp Spirit Venom ... I figured the change would throw him
off his game! ;-)>

Steven A. Tinner
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Message no. 8
From: Angelkiller 404 angelkiller404@**********.com
Subject: [OT] Bull (was [OT] General List Behavior and Attitude towardsFASA)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:13:05 -0400
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbie LeVile <barbie@********.de>
To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: Friday, August 13, 1999 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] Bull (was [OT] General List Behavior and Attitude
towardsFASA)


>GreyWolf wrote:
>>
>>
>> I sympathise. I know a certain rigger who is going to go out in a
blaze of
>> gory (spelling intended) when the M&M book comes out.
>>
>> <sigh>
>>
>Where is the problem there? don`t use the new rules then. Simple
>


Yeah, just call up the Grandfather Clause. If the character was made
before the new rules came up, then the character is not illegal.
However, all characters made after that period are subject to the
mercy of the GM...

But in regards to bioware, I'm going to find it hard to break a set of
rules that've been around for what, seven years?

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Message no. 9
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [OT] Bull (was [OT] General List Behavior and Attitude towardsFASA)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 01:04:12 -0700 (PDT)
> > > I sympathise. I know a certain rigger who is going to go out in a
blaze of gory (spelling intended) when the M&M book comes out.
> > >
> > > <sigh>
> > >
> > Where is the problem there? don`t use the new rules then. Simple
> >
> > --
> > Barbie
>
> A nice thought.. but it would be up to my GM.. and I cant garantee he
will be reasonable.. :)
>
> Then again I could always go find a new GM? :)
>
> GreyWolf

*Doc' is stunned. "Moi? You think moi would be unreasonable???"*
==Doc'
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Message no. 10
From: Daniel Brace dbrace@**********.com
Subject: [OT] Bull (was [OT] General List Behavior and Attitude towardsFASA)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:07:06 -0400
>True evil can never be fully appreciated unless there is something to
>compare it to.
>I dole out my generosity in small doses, using it as a spice to flavor the
>full melange of my evil.

> (snip)

>>Besides, I had just lopped off his arm, blown up is 500,000 nuyen van, and
>injected him with Wasp Spirit Venom ... I figured the change would throw
him
>off his game! ;-)>

>Steven A. Tinner

BlackWidow tips her hat and softly asks you not to talk to her GM, he's evil
enough on his own and doesn't need any help? :) (I love you ShadowDancer
:P )

BlackWidow-
"A spoon full of sugar helps the medicine go down.
like a Mana Bolt to the chest helps the BadGuy go down."

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