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Message no. 1
From: Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
Subject: [OT] Email clients vs Newsreaders [was: Re: ShadowRN vs.
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:40:17 -0400
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At 01:40 PM 6/30/98 +0100, Spike wrote:
>And verily, did Robert Watkins hastily scribble thusly...
>|Get an emailer that can handle threads. elm could do it on Unix
(AFAIR...
>|it's been a while),
>
>Alas, no. ELM can't handle threads. You just get an jumble of
messages.
>Besides, threading isn't one of the features of e-mail.
>In news, you have a references line in the header that newsreaders
can use
>to sort things into threads in the correct order.
>
>Not so in e-mail. Although I suppose some mailers can sort by subject
and do
>it that way....

There may not be a "References:" line in the header, but many emailers
insert an "In-Reply-To:" line into the headers, and it provides much
the same functionality.

(For example, in the header of the email I'm replying to here, was the
line: "In-Reply-To:
<000801bda3bd$7ff12b20$5a5211ac@********.mincom.oz.au> from "Robert
Watkins" at Jun 30, 98 10:24:52 am")

And I'm sure that there has to be a unix email client out there that
can present a mailing list in a interface/format more like a
newsgroup. It's been too long since I've been on a Unix box, but IIRC,
there was a combination email client/newsreader, called Pine. I don't
remember if Pine would do that sort of thing, but if not Pine, I'm
sure some program does. It's such a relatively simple concept to
program, and with plenty of demand from the userbase, I'd be shocked
if there weren't one. (especially since I can think of at least one or
two win programs that fit the bill)
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Message no. 2
From: Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: [OT] Email clients vs Newsreaders [was: Re: ShadowRN vs.
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:27:51 -0500
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>
> At 01:40 PM 6/30/98 +0100, Spike wrote:
> >And verily, did Robert Watkins hastily scribble thusly...
> >|Get an emailer that can handle threads. elm could do it on Unix
> (AFAIR...
> >|it's been a while),
> >
> >Alas, no. ELM can't handle threads. You just get an jumble of
> messages.
> >Besides, threading isn't one of the features of e-mail.
> >In news, you have a references line in the header that newsreaders
> can use
> >to sort things into threads in the correct order.
> >
> >Not so in e-mail. Although I suppose some mailers can sort by subject
> and do
> >it that way....
>
> There may not be a "References:" line in the header, but many emailers
> insert an "In-Reply-To:" line into the headers, and it provides much
> the same functionality.
>
> (For example, in the header of the email I'm replying to here, was the
> line: "In-Reply-To:
> <000801bda3bd$7ff12b20$5a5211ac@********.mincom.oz.au> from "Robert
> Watkins" at Jun 30, 98 10:24:52 am")
>
> And I'm sure that there has to be a unix email client out there that
> can present a mailing list in a interface/format more like a
> newsgroup. It's been too long since I've been on a Unix box, but IIRC,
> there was a combination email client/newsreader, called Pine. I don't
> remember if Pine would do that sort of thing, but if not Pine, I'm
> sure some program does. It's such a relatively simple concept to
> program, and with plenty of demand from the userbase, I'd be shocked
> if there weren't one. (especially since I can think of at least one or
> two win programs that fit the bill)

I believe Pine can do it, mutt does an even better job (IMHO), and you
can play around with procmail to do filtering if it comes to that.
There are also some x-mail clients (xmh perhaps), that can do this
as well.
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Message no. 3
From: Justin Bell <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: [OT] Email clients vs Newsreaders [was: Re: ShadowRN vs.
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:02:42 -0500
At 11:40 AM 6/30/98 -0400, Paul Gettle wrote:
#
# There may not be a "References:" line in the header, but many emailers
# insert an "In-Reply-To:" line into the headers, and it provides much
# the same functionality.
#
# (For example, in the header of the email I'm replying to here, was the
# line: "In-Reply-To:
# <000801bda3bd$7ff12b20$5a5211ac@********.mincom.oz.au> from "Robert
# Watkins" at Jun 30, 98 10:24:52 am")
#
# And I'm sure that there has to be a unix email client out there that
# can present a mailing list in a interface/format more like a
# newsgroup. It's been too long since I've been on a Unix box, but IIRC,
# there was a combination email client/newsreader, called Pine. I don't
# remember if Pine would do that sort of thing, but if not Pine, I'm
# sure some program does. It's such a relatively simple concept to
# program, and with plenty of demand from the userbase, I'd be shocked
# if there weren't one. (especially since I can think of at least one or
# two win programs that fit the bill)
well.... there is PINE, and MUTT, MUTT does mail threading quite well with
an SLRN type interface
it's still in Alpha though.


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Message no. 4
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: [OT] Email clients vs Newsreaders [was: Re: ShadowRN vs.
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:42:20 +0100
And verily, did Paul Gettle hastily scribble thusly...
|there was a combination email client/newsreader, called Pine. I don't
|remember if Pine would do that sort of thing, but if not Pine, I'm
|sure some program does.
I think PINE does. It is after all a newsreader AND e-mailer.
I just hhhhhate pine though....

:)

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