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Message no. 1
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: [OT] Gibson matrix stuff (was Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 02:42:19 +0100
Tobias Berghoff said on 20:05/ 4 Aug 97...

> The loas are AIs the Neuromacer/Wintermute-AI 'downloaded' from (IIRC)
> alpha centauri and connected to itself. IMO when people log into
> cyberspace, the loas/Neuromancer/Wintermute (let's call it NWL) create
> some biochip in their brain (just like the stuff Angie got from her
> father). As soon as this is finished, NWL can access the deckers brain
> just like any other computer. Something like that, anyway...

Might I ask where you got this idea? Nothing I can recall even suggests
this, and from my recent re-read of the whole trilogy (currently around
chapter 6 of Mona Lisa Overdrive) it seems to me that Wintermut, after
becoming the matrix, fragmented; some of the fragments decided they would
reach people best by pretending to be loa. That's more or less what the
box-creator in the old T-A space station tells Marly in Count Zero...

Angie has those "strands" in her head because someone/-thing told her
father to install them, as well as how to do it. To me, it appears one of
the loa instructed him on it, so he/it (the loa) could use Angie to do
stuff in the real world.

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Message no. 2
From: Tobias Berghoff <Zixx@*****.TEUTO.DE>
Subject: Re: [OT] Gibson matrix stuff (was Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:03:00 GMT
on 07.08.97 gurth@******.NL wrote:

g> > The loas are AIs the Neuromacer/Wintermute-AI 'downloaded' from (IIRC)
g> > alpha centauri and connected to itself. IMO when people log into
g> > cyberspace, the loas/Neuromancer/Wintermute (let's call it NWL) create
g> > some biochip in their brain (just like the stuff Angie got from her
g> > father). As soon as this is finished, NWL can access the deckers brain
g> > just like any other computer. Something like that, anyway...

g> Might I ask where you got this idea? Nothing I can recall even suggests
g> this, and from my recent re-read of the whole trilogy (currently around
g> chapter 6 of Mona Lisa Overdrive) it seems to me that Wintermut, after
g> becoming the matrix, fragmented; some of the fragments decided they would
g> reach people best by pretending to be loa. That's more or less what the
g> box-creator in the old T-A space station tells Marly in Count Zero...

Wait for the last scene of MLO. It's all explained there.


g> Angie has those "strands" in her head because someone/-thing told her
g> father to install them, as well as how to do it. To me, it appears one of
g> the loa instructed him on it, so he/it (the loa) could use Angie to do
g> stuff in the real world.

Then why the heck can the loas ride the other folks from Two-A-Day's or
Automatic Jack's bunch? (If I only had me books here, dammit!!)

bye

Tobias


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Message no. 3
From: "Wendy Wanders, Subject 117" <KGGEWEHR@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: [OT] Gibson matrix stuff (was Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:45:37 -0500
You wrote:
> Then why the heck can the loas ride the other folks from Two-A-Day's or
> Automatic Jack's bunch? (If I only had me books here, dammit!!)
They can, but only when they're jacked in (i.e. the neural interface gives the
loa (loa is also the plural) access to their minds, in a manner of speaking.
Jackie, for instance, only hears from them when she's got the trodes on and is
connected, not any time like Angie can.

losthalo
Message no. 4
From: Tobias Berghoff <Zixx@*****.TEUTO.DE>
Subject: Re: [OT] Gibson matrix stuff (was Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:06:00 GMT
on 11.08.97 KGGEWEHR@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU wrote:

K> You wrote:
K> > Then why the heck can the loas ride the other folks from Two-A-Day's or
K> > Automatic Jack's bunch? (If I only had me books here, dammit!!)
K> They can, but only when they're jacked in

Wasn't there *something* about the loa being able to access their brains
outside the matrix? Or the los establishing some bioware in their heads?
SOMETHING?!?!?

K> (i.e. the neural interface gives
K> the loa (loa is also the plural) access to their minds, in a manner of
K> speaking. Jackie, for instance, only hears from them when she's got the
K> trodes on and is connected, not any time like Angie can.

BTW, ever realised that Angie suffers what Steve K. in Awakenings calls
'unwilling possession' ?

Tobias
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Message no. 5
From: "Wendy Wanders, Subject 117" <KGGEWEHR@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: [OT] Gibson matrix stuff (was Re: ReBoot Gaming Concept)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 06:27:54 -0500
You wrote:
> Wasn't there *something* about the loa being able to access their brains
> outside the matrix? Or the los establishing some bioware in their heads?
> SOMETHING?!?!?
Nope. Sorry. Read the book at least three times. Nope.

losthalo

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