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Message no. 1
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: [OT] Hackers
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:31:23 +0200
According to runnerpaul@*****.com, at 11:18 on 28 Apr 99, the word on
the street was...

> >Hackers. I got the distinct impression that the writers had heard (or
> >looked up) a bunch of computer terminology, and invented what it meant as
> >they went along writing the script.
>
> *boggle* You're kidding, right?!?

Not AFAIK...

> I've always been of the opinion that the script for Hackers was about
> as technically accurate as we're ever going to get out of Hollywood.

Which, IMHO, says a lot about the rest of the movies in this genre.

> Can you cite a specific example from the movie where you felt that
> computer terminology was being misused?

Not exactly, but I'll freely admit that 1) it's not my biggest interest,
and 2) I don't remember most of the dialog, I just remember the impression
it left me with (namely, that the movie makers decided to show some cool
special effects and chuck in some cool terminology, and then wrote a
script to fit around all that idea).

> Oh, and were you watching the film in English, or had it been dubbed
> over?

This is the Netherlands. If you dub over a movie here, nobody will watch
it beyond the first time someone speaks in it :)

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Message no. 2
From: Sven De Herdt Sven.DeHerdt@***********.be
Subject: [OT] Hackers
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 03:42:54 +0200
> Gurth [SMTP:gurth@******.nl] writes:
>
<snipping>

> > I've always been of the opinion that the script for Hackers
was about
> > as technically accurate as we're ever going to get out of
Hollywood.

> Which, IMHO, says a lot about the rest of the movies in this
genre.

> > Can you cite a specific example from the movie where you
felt that
> > computer terminology was being misused?

> Not exactly, but I'll freely admit that 1) it's not my biggest
interest,
> and 2) I don't remember most of the dialog, I just remember
the impression
> it left me with (namely, that the movie makers decided to show
some cool
> special effects and chuck in some cool terminology, and then
wrote a
> script to fit around all that idea).

I have to agree with Gurth on this one. I don't know very much
about hacking, but as an engineer in the IT world I know a bit of
security and the systems used for this purpose. Although the VR look
that was given to certain scenes might look pretty cool, I have still to
meet a security system (fi. firewalls, etc...) that actually use VR
based interfaces, most of them are text/command based. Never the less I
didn't think the film was all that bad, you always have to remember it
is just a movie and not 'real' life.

> > Oh, and were you watching the film in English, or had it
been dubbed
> > over?

> This is the Netherlands. If you dub over a movie here, nobody
will watch
> it beyond the first time someone speaks in it :)

Thank got I am not living in France and that I was able to see
an English version! I just hate dubbed over movies.

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>
Sven :)
Message no. 3
From: runnerpaul@*****.com runnerpaul@*****.com
Subject: [OT] Hackers
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:45:38 -0400 (EDT)
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At 03:42 AM 4/29/1999 +0200, Sven De Herdt wrote:
> I have to agree with Gurth on this one. I don't know very
much
>about hacking, but as an engineer in the IT world I know a bit of
>security and the systems used for this purpose. Although the VR look
>that was given to certain scenes might look pretty cool, I have still
to
>meet a security system (fi. firewalls, etc...) that actually use VR
>based interfaces, most of them are text/command based. Never the
less I
>didn't think the film was all that bad, you always have to remember
it
>is just a movie and not 'real' life.
>

I think you've missed the point of the VR sequences. The images you
were seeing while they were hacking weren't supposed to be a depiction
of the actual interface of what they were hacking. Instead, those
images were supposed to be a peek into what's going on inside the
minds of the characters. It's the same thing as all those times the
movie cut to clips of old TV footage. It's a mind's eye point of view
of how their imagination viewed the situation at hand.

And because for example, showing screen after scrolling screen of
output text of someone doing a directory listing after directory
listing in search of a particular file makes for a bit of a dry film,
the film makers would cut to that "mind's eye" point of view as an
excuse to throw some CGI eye-candy at the viewers. Instead of looking
at dir command after dir command, the non computer literates in the
audience get to see a VR flyby of a neon tower that's supposed to
represent the filesystem.

If you watch the movie with the basic assumption that the CGI
sequences are just a convention of the movie, a visually interesting
representation of the boring plain-text command lines they're actually
typing, and that their screens would actually be running a terminal
emulation, and not showing all the text in 72 point
fonts-with-attitude, then what's going on in the movie does line up
much more with the real world.



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Message no. 4
From: Cybertroll cybertroll@******.crosswinds.net
Subject: [OT] Hackers
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:13:51 +0300
runnerpaul@*****.com wrote:
> I think you've missed the point of the VR sequences. The images you
> were seeing while they were hacking weren't supposed to be a depiction
> of the actual interface of what they were hacking. Instead, those
> images were supposed to be a peek into what's going on inside the
> minds of the characters. It's the same thing as all those times the
> movie cut to clips of old TV footage. It's a mind's eye point of view
> of how their imagination viewed the situation at hand.
>

Yeap Hackers was exactly like that... I don't think that the makers of
this movie (which is very good imo although I would prefer the Hackers
to be metal fans and not rave fans :-PP ) wanted to tell us that this
was a real network interface... They just made something that it was
easy for those who don't know anything about computers to understand and
at the same time something that it was close to those who actually
understand... The VR interface was simply a very clever thing to make
the movie interesting... Who would like to see a bunch of sick people
that type 200000 characters per second of Linux text commands, CGI code,
C code etc etc. Anyway it surely reminds in a way the Matrix in
Shadowrun... But since those chummers were talking about machines like
Pentium 200 MMX and 64 MB of RAM etc etc which are consoles of our days,
I can't actually assume that the VR interface was real since no machine
of our days could actually manage to handle that kind of graphical
interface.

Cybertroll

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Message no. 5
From: Bruce gyro@********.co.za
Subject: [OT] Hackers
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:52:31 +0200
-----Original Message-----
From: Cybertroll <cybertroll@******.crosswinds.net>
To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: 29 April 1999 10:25
Subject: Re: [OT] Hackers


>runnerpaul@*****.com wrote:
>> I think you've missed the point of the VR sequences. The images you
>> were seeing while they were hacking weren't supposed to be a
depiction
>> of the actual interface of what they were hacking. Instead, those
>> images were supposed to be a peek into what's going on inside the
>> minds of the characters. It's the same thing as all those times the
>> movie cut to clips of old TV footage. It's a mind's eye point of
view
>> of how their imagination viewed the situation at hand.
>>
>
>Yeap Hackers was exactly like that... I don't think that the makers
of
>this movie (which is very good imo although I would prefer the
Hackers
>to be metal fans and not rave fans :-PP ) wanted to tell us that this
>was a real network interface... <big Snips>

Hackers. IMO, was simply a teen movie with computing bits thrown in as
a "flavour of the month" kinda deal.
The movie is weak in most deartments and its status as anything but a
laughing stock survives due to a good solid soundtrack and the worship
of computer illeterates who wannabe "hackers".

IMHO, this movie is not at all SR or SR - inspirational material at
all.

But then, a lot of people really enjoyed it.... just goes to show....

-- BRUCE <gyro@********.co.za>

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Message no. 6
From: runnerpaul@*****.com runnerpaul@*****.com
Subject: [OT] Hackers
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:36:24 -0400 (EDT)
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At 08:35 AM 4/29/1999 +0200, Allen Versfeld wrote:
>> Can you cite a specific example from the movie where you felt that
>> computer terminology was being misused?

>Well, It's been a while since I saw it (and I've seen it twice)
but...
>When they are all perving over the girls Apple Powerbook (or
something,
>it definetely had the apple logo),

I hadn't noticed that it had an apple logo. Good eyes.

>they anounce that it is a pentium
>100.

Really? I thought they refer to the chip as a P6, which I took as
their way of referring to the second generation of Pentium chip. At
the time the script was written and the movie filmed, the original
Pentium had just come out, and no one outside of Intel knew anything
about the Pentium II, let alone it's name.

>Then they say it has a PCI bus.

Alright. I'll give you that one.

>Then they go on to imply that her
>pentium Apple has a RISC processor.

Again, at the time of the movie's production, the original Pentium had
just come out. It's major competition at the time was the PowerPC
processor from Motorola/IBM/Apple, and that chip did use RISC
processing. My take on it is that the writers figured that on the next
generation Pentium, Intel would have to incorporate RISC processing
also, to keep up.

>The 'Gibson' computer, the one that has lots of spurious glass
pillars
>with text scrolling up and down them

The filmmakers probably didn't want the legal hassles of using a
real-world trademarked brand name of supercomputer like Cray (and
decided to give a nod to a certain sci-fi writer at the same time). As
for the glass pillars, that's not jargon, it's more of the eye-candy.
Even so, they're no worse than the big clear lucite waterfalls stamped
with the word Cray, that are supposed to be part of the computer's
cooling system.

>the one that is 'unhackable'
>because of its Brand Name...

I'll give you this one too. Hardware should not determine whether
something is hackable or not, that's more a factor of software and
administration. Of course, if Gibson computers have a proprietary OS,
then it's possible that a properly administered Gibson could be a
tough nut to crack.

>The sysadmin who had to be told about the cookie monster virus, and
who
>was told to run an anti-virus package, like it was some sort of
secret
>revelation...

Actually, for the Cookie Monster virus, he was told to type "cookie".
:) It could very well be that the Cookie Monster virus was either A.:
a new virus that the anti-viral programs didn't have a profile for, or
B.: a virus specifically written to be resistant to any anti-viral
programs. Luckily, they had their own hacker, Mr. "The Plague" there,
who apparently keeps up with the viruses out there and knew how to
deal with it (and for all we know, maybe he even wrote Cookie Monster.
*smirk*).

As for the sysadmin having to be told to run anti-virus for all the
other virii floating around in their system, that does make him look
pretty lame. However, Plague's instructions to him are rather specific
in nature (i.e.: "run Flu Shot!") so it's possible that Plague is
either telling him exactly which out of a suite of anti-virus programs
to run, or telling him which mode to run the anti-virus program in. As
I've said before, The Plague knows viruses really well, and so he'd
know how to best deal with them.

>What irked me most was the way all
>the actors' eyes glazed over every time they started spewing
>technobabble.

And you've never seen a geek's eyes glaze over when they start talking
tech about a powerful computer? Admittedly, the geek's eyes glaze over
with technolust while the actors were glazing over with confusion, so
it's not a perfect match. :)

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Message no. 7
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: [OT] Hackers
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:59:01 EDT
In a message dated 4/29/1999 10:36:58 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
runnerpaul@*****.com writes:

> I'll give you this one too. Hardware should not determine whether
> something is hackable or not, that's more a factor of software and
> administration. Of course, if Gibson computers have a proprietary OS,
> then it's possible that a properly administered Gibson could be a
> tough nut to crack.

Just some FYI...the name of the computer was selected in respectful homage to
"Gibson" of Neuromancer fame.....

-K
Message no. 8
From: Josh grimlakin@****.com
Subject: [OT] Hackers
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:39:36 -0500
Ereskanti@***.com wrote:
<snip>

> Just some FYI...the name of the computer was selected in respectful homage to
> "Gibson" of Neuromancer fame.....

What is this Gibson and Neuromancer you speak of?

>
>
> -K



Grimlakin










yes I am kidding.
Message no. 9
From: runnerpaul@*****.com runnerpaul@*****.com
Subject: [OT] Hackers
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:17:40 -0400 (EDT)
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At 05:59 PM 4/29/1999 -0400, Ereskanti@***.com wrote:
>> I'll give you this one too. Hardware should not determine whether
>> something is hackable or not, that's more a factor of software and
>> administration. Of course, if Gibson computers have a proprietary
OS,
>> then it's possible that a properly administered Gibson could be a
>> tough nut to crack.
>
>Just some FYI...the name of the computer was selected in respectful
homage to
>"Gibson" of Neuromancer fame.....
>

As I mentioned, in the paragraph that directly preceded the one you
quote above. :)
(Hint: it's the part where I said "The filmmakers probably didn't want
the legal hassles of using a real-world trademarked brand name of
supercomputer like Cray (and decided to give a nod to a certain sci-fi
writer at the same time).")

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Message no. 10
From: Mark Fender markf@******.com
Subject: [OT] Hackers
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:41:13 -0500
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh [SMTP:grimlakin@****.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 1999 6:40 PM
> To: shadowrn@*********.org
> Subject: Re: [OT] Hackers
>
>
>
> Ereskanti@***.com wrote:
> <snip>
>
> > Just some FYI...the name of the computer was selected in respectful
> homage to
> > "Gibson" of Neuromancer fame.....
>
> What is this Gibson and Neuromancer you speak of?
>
William Gibson, author of Neuromancer, the novel that defined cyberpunk as a
genre. He practically invented the Matrix, as well as supplying that whole
cyberpunk attitude. His other books are: Count Zero, Mona Lisa Overdrive,
Burning Chrome, The Difference Engine (with Bruce Sterling), Virtual Light,
and Idoru. All of them are quite good (Except for that Difference Engine
thing - but then I hate Bruce Sterling so I blame him)

You should not be allowed to own Shadowrun if you haven't read at least
Neuromancer.



> Grimlakin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> yes I am kidding.
>
>
Message no. 11
From: Iridios iridios@*********.com
Subject: [OT] Hackers
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:05:05 -0400
Mark Fender wrote:
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Josh [SMTP:grimlakin@****.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 1999 6:40 PM
> > To: shadowrn@*********.org
> > Subject: Re: [OT] Hackers
> >
> >
> >
> > Ereskanti@***.com wrote:
> > <snip>
> >
> > > Just some FYI...the name of the computer was selected in respectful
> > homage to
> > > "Gibson" of Neuromancer fame.....
> >
> > What is this Gibson and Neuromancer you speak of?
> >
> William Gibson, author of Neuromancer, the novel that defined cyberpunk as a
> genre. He practically invented the Matrix, as well as supplying that whole
> cyberpunk attitude. His other books are: Count Zero, Mona Lisa Overdrive,
> Burning Chrome, The Difference Engine (with Bruce Sterling), Virtual Light,
> and Idoru. All of them are quite good (Except for that Difference Engine
> thing - but then I hate Bruce Sterling so I blame him)
>
> You should not be allowed to own Shadowrun if you haven't read at least
> Neuromancer.

You didn't read the whole email, did you? It was a joke, if you had
read the whole thing, you would have seen the following line:

> > yes I am kidding.


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Message no. 12
From: Daniel Brace dbrace@**********.com
Subject: [OT] Hackers
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:16:25 -0400
> You should not be allowed to own Shadowrun if you haven't read at least
> Neuromancer.


What's this Neuro... thing? ha ha :)

Is that by that Gibson fella, I hear he really likes computer, sci-fi type
stuff; maybe he should see that new Keanu Reeves movie. It might talk about
some ideas that interest him. ;)


Blackwidow

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Message no. 13
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: [OT] Hackers
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:46:19 -0500
> You should not be allowed to own Shadowrun if you haven't read at least
> Neuromancer.

Who the hell do you think you are, telling us what we can and can't
read, what we should and shouldn't own, based on what we might or might
not have read? I've played SR since it came out, and while I've read
(parts of) NEUROMANCER, I wish I hadn't (never did finish the hideous
thing). Gibson's a horrible writer, and I steer as many people away
from him as possible.

But don't for a second think you've got any sort of a right to determine
who should and shouldn't be allowed to own and play this game.

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Message no. 14
From: Steve Collins einan@*********.net
Subject: [OT] Hackers
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 99 17:26:07 -0400
On 4/30/99 4:46 pm, Patrick Goodman said:

>> You should not be allowed to own Shadowrun if you haven't read at least
>> Neuromancer.
>
>Who the hell do you think you are, telling us what we can and can't
>read, what we should and shouldn't own, based on what we might or might
>not have read? I've played SR since it came out, and while I've read
>(parts of) NEUROMANCER, I wish I hadn't (never did finish the hideous
>thing). Gibson's a horrible writer, and I steer as many people away
>from him as possible.
>
>But don't for a second think you've got any sort of a right to determine
>who should and shouldn't be allowed to own and play this game.
>
Amen brother! Tell it like it is.

In my life there have been 3 books that I have started to read and
couldn't finish. Neuromancer, Lord Foul's Bane (book 1 of the Thomas
Covenant White Gold weilder saga), and 10 Little Indians (a murder
mystery I had to read in High school). There is no association between
what books one reads (or likes) and what games a person plays. I have
never read any of Anne Rice's Vampire books but does that mean I can not
play Vampire? I never have had the chance but under the right
circumstance I would and I have played Werewolf and am currently playing
in a Mage campaign based in a different world than the World of Darkness.
Does my hating Lord Foul's Bane disqualify me from playing D&D? Well I
have better taste than to play that but I could if i wanted to. Frankly i
think most of the Shadowrun novels work perfectly well as "Cyberpunk"
genre novels.

Steve
Message no. 15
From: Trunks Ryuko kawaii@********.org
Subject: [OT] Hackers
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:31:50 -0400 (EDT)
On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, Patrick Goodman wrote:

> > You should not be allowed to own Shadowrun if you haven't read at least
> > Neuromancer.
>
> Who the hell do you think you are, telling us what we can and can't
> read, what we should and shouldn't own, based on what we might or might
> not have read? I've played SR since it came out, and while I've read
> (parts of) NEUROMANCER, I wish I hadn't (never did finish the hideous
> thing). Gibson's a horrible writer, and I steer as many people away
> from him as possible.
>
> But don't for a second think you've got any sort of a right to determine
> who should and shouldn't be allowed to own and play this game.
>

wow.

A bit passionate about Gibson and SR, are we?

Gibson may not be the best cyberpunk writer out there, but he
introduced it into "mainstream" America with Neuromancer, and for that, he
should be given props.

Just some food for thought.

Ever lovable and always scrappy,
kawaii
Message no. 16
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: [OT] Hackers
Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 11:03:35 -0500
<major snippage>

>> But don't for a second think you've got any sort of a right to determine
>> who should and shouldn't be allowed to own and play this game.
>
>wow.
>
>A bit passionate about Gibson and SR, are we?

You're saying that as if it were a bad thing. Have we as a society
regressed that far, when passion for something is regarded as a negative
trait? Maybe it *is* time to secede....

>Gibson may not be the best cyberpunk writer out there...

Nope, not in the slightest. Nor is he a decent writer of any other genre or
subgenre.

>...but he introduced it into "mainstream" America with Neuromancer,
>and for that, he should be given props.

You're saying *this* as if it were a *good* thing. I haven't determined yet
if this is good or bad that the subgenre was introduced to the mainstream by
Gibson, but my thought is that it's bad. I'd like to think that mainstream
America could demonstrate better taste, though mountains of historical
evidence is against me.

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Message no. 17
From: Nexx Many-Scars nexx@********.net
Subject: [OT] Hackers
Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 13:20:30 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.net>
> >
> >A bit passionate about Gibson and SR, are we?
>
> You're saying that as if it were a bad thing. Have we as a society
> regressed that far, when passion for something is regarded as a negative
> trait? Maybe it *is* time to secede....

Please don't. I don't want to have to get a passport just to go home.
Message no. 18
From: Trunks Ryuko kawaii@********.org
Subject: [OT] Hackers
Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 14:24:48 -0400 (EDT)
On Sat, 1 May 1999, Nexx Many-Scars wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.net>
> > >
> > >A bit passionate about Gibson and SR, are we?
> >
> > You're saying that as if it were a bad thing. Have we as a society
> > regressed that far, when passion for something is regarded as a negative
> > trait? Maybe it *is* time to secede....
>
> Please don't. I don't want to have to get a passport just to go home.
>

Actually, I didn't say it as if it were a bad thing. You intepreted as if
I was meaning that it were a bad thing.

I am not responsible for your assumptions, after all. :) A little passion
never hurt no one, I guess... except for those crimes of passion, I guess.
But hey, a little human nature isn't bad, right?

Ever lovable and always scrappy,
kawaii
Message no. 19
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: [OT] Hackers
Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 18:13:57 EDT
In a message dated 5/1/1999 11:05:40 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
remo@***.net writes:

> I'd like to think that mainstream
> America could demonstrate better taste, though mountains of historical
> evidence is against me.

<bad accent>Thar's Fools' Gold in dem dar hills' boys...<bad accent>
Message no. 20
From: Glenn Royer groyer@********.EDU
Subject: [OT] Hackers
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 02:23:16 -0700
>William Gibson, author of Neuromancer, the novel that defined cyberpunk as
a
>genre. He practically invented the Matrix, as well as supplying that whole
>cyberpunk attitude. His other books are: Count Zero, Mona Lisa Overdrive,
>Burning Chrome, The Difference Engine (with Bruce Sterling), Virtual Light,
>and Idoru. All of them are quite good (Except for that Difference Engine
>thing - but then I hate Bruce Sterling so I blame him)
>


the bastard was damn near computer illiterate when he wrote the thing,
too... go figure..
-Glenn
Message no. 21
From: Bruce gyro@********.co.za
Subject: [OT] Hackers
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 09:16:46 +0200
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.net>
To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: 30 April 1999 10:50
Subject: Re: [OT] Hackers


>> You should not be allowed to own Shadowrun if you haven't read at
least
>> Neuromancer.
>
>Who the hell do you think you are, telling us what we can and can't
>read, what we should and shouldn't own, based on what we might or
might
>not have read? I've played SR since it came out, and while I've read
>(parts of) NEUROMANCER, I wish I hadn't (never did finish the hideous
>thing). Gibson's a horrible writer, and I steer as many people away
>from him as possible.
>
>But don't for a second think you've got any sort of a right to
determine
>who should and shouldn't be allowed to own and play this game.


I just knew I could count on Patrick to go ballistic over this one :)

... predictable dude...

-- BRUCE <gyro@********.co.za>

<hard@****>

Theres nothing like a netfight
Everything is True
Nothing is Forbidden
Message no. 22
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: [OT] Hackers
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 07:02:08 -0500
>>But don't for a second think you've got any sort of a right to
>>determine who should and shouldn't be allowed to own and play
>>this game.
>
>I just knew I could count on Patrick to go ballistic over this one :)

You're saying that as if it's a bad thing.

>... predictable dude...

Perhaps. In this case in particular, I prefer the term "consistent," but
think what you like. I don't much care.

--
(>) Texas 2-Step
El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.

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