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Message no. 1
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:50:59 -0500
Heard a very bad thing today.
A friend of a freind told me, so I'm not sure how reliable it is, and
please don't quote me, or think that I'm in any way slamming a particular
lifestyle or game system, but ...

After speaking to a few friends in the local county justice dept. there is
a current murder trial before the bench wherein the two teens being tried
for the crime apparently committed the act as a LARP "ritual
slaying/bleeding" while playing Vampire.

Already the general population has begun talking about "those evil RPG's"
and how they twist minds.
If it's true, and I hope it isn't, it's a sad thing for our hobby.

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com./users/bluewizard
"Pook, pook, pook."
Message no. 2
From: Dvixen <dvixen@********.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 20:14:19 -0800
> Heard a very bad thing today.
> A friend of a freind told me, so I'm not sure how reliable it is, and
> please don't quote me, or think that I'm in any way slamming a
particular
> lifestyle or game system, but ...

There's prolly some basis in reality.

> After speaking to a few friends in the local county justice dept. there
is
> a current murder trial before the bench wherein the two teens being
tried
> for the crime apparently committed the act as a LARP "ritual
> slaying/bleeding" while playing Vampire.

A few years back, we had a similar trial happening in town, and because
one of the boys involved played ##$#, and used an axe to kill his mother
and grandmother, it was blamed on the rpg. I was working in the local
gaming shop during the trail, and it didn't really seem to hurt business,
we had a lot more people coming in to find out what rpg's were, instead of
taking the media's word for it. My advice to a few of the parents
concerned about their boys who were playing, was to sit in and watch, or
even try and join. Hey, it's the same advice for watching tv, and there's
far worse on the tube!

> Already the general population has begun talking about "those evil
RPG's"
> and how they twist minds.

Yep. Just remember, how many people who play monotony have ended up being
embezzlers or bank robber?

> If it's true, and I hope it isn't, it's a sad thing for our hobby.

It always is. Some people should not play the games, but they'd get their
ideas (and find places to put the blame) from somewhere.

--

Dvixen dvixen@********.com
"And I thought First Ones were rare." - Ivanova - Babylon 5
The opinions expressed are those of the myriad voices in my head
Message no. 3
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 23:15:54 EST
On Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:50:59 -0500 "Steven A. Tinner"
<bluewizard@*****.COM> writes:
>Heard a very bad thing today.
>A friend of a freind told me, so I'm not sure how reliable it is, and
>please don't quote me, or think that I'm in any way slamming a
>particular
>lifestyle or game system, but ...
>
>After speaking to a few friends in the local county justice dept.
>there is
>a current murder trial before the bench wherein the two teens being
>tried
>for the crime apparently committed the act as a LARP "ritual
>slaying/bleeding" while playing Vampire.
>
>Already the general population has begun talking about "those evil
>RPG's"
>and how they twist minds.
>If it's true, and I hope it isn't, it's a sad thing for our hobby.
>
>Steven A. Tinner
>bluewizard@*****.com
>http://www.ncweb.com./users/bluewizard
>"Pook, pook, pook."
----
Well, this issue was best discussed by those spunky editors at Inquest
magazine. "Does God Cry When You Play Dungeons & Dragons" was a very
good article that researched , and told their findings about what has
been going on, with rpg's and the irked people that hate them.

"Acusations against fantasy games began in 1979 when Patricia Pulling,
founder of the political group Bothered About Dungeons & Dragons
(B.A.D.D), and Dr. Tom Radecki, from the National Coalition on Television
Violence, started publicly connecting D & D to a number of suicide and
murder cases."

obviously this has gone on very for a very long time, and really doesn't
stop, justs fades in and out.

"The game causes young men to kill themselves and others," Radecki told
newsweek in 1985..."

yet another showing of how people jump to conclusions..

"Pulling and Radecki have crusaded to raise the public's awareness of the
damage they believe fantasy games cause. D&D, they allege, is
responsible for no fewer than 125 deaths. Take Pulling's assertion that
in 1981 there were four million D&D players and factor in the teen
suicide rate for that year. We would expect to find 500 suicides among
D&D players just for that one year. Multiply that over a 15 year period
and you wind up with 7,500 suicides. But Pulling and Radecki claim there
were only 125."

never the less, there will always be the people that will make almost any
claim they can to implicate rpg's being evil, deathly, or dangerous.
Maybe they just can't understand them, so they try to destroy them....I
don't know. I guess it really only matters with the gamers, and
hopefully most people will take this with a grain of salt.


Gweedo the Killer Pimp strikes again!
Message no. 4
From: Kevin Roberts <krst0023@****.NET>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:39:01 -0600
> >Heard a very bad thing today.
> >A friend of a freind told me, so I'm not sure how reliable it is, and
> >please don't quote me, or think that I'm in any way slamming a
> >particular
> >lifestyle or game system, but ...
> >
> >After speaking to a few friends in the local county justice dept.
> >there is
> >a current murder trial before the bench wherein the two teens being
> >tried
> >for the crime apparently committed the act as a LARP "ritual
> >slaying/bleeding" while playing Vampire.
> >
> >Already the general population has begun talking about "those evil
> >RPG's"
> >and how they twist minds.
> >If it's true, and I hope it isn't, it's a sad thing for our hobby.


This story of a "vampire cult" is happening in Western Ky.
The people are From there.

I do know that there is an investigation still going on
where as to the involvement as to what RPG games
were involved.

I can't comment more because It would be not true as to
what I say. There are several Rumors on this thing right
now...

End of line....
Message no. 5
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:37:32 +0000
|Already the general population has begun talking about "those evil RPG's"
|and how they twist minds.
|If it's true, and I hope it isn't, it's a sad thing for our hobby.

That type of thing's always happening....

Even when the murderer was abused as a child/is a cocaine addict and suffers
from paranoid schizophrenia, the press always picks up on the fact that he
plays ADnD and instantly jumps to the conclusion that RPGs are the cause.

It has been proved that in general, Role-players are MORE stable and LESS prone
to suicide than non-role-players....

I wouldn't worry about it. There's something like this coming 'round ever
year or two anyway.....

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Message no. 6
From: Droopy <droopy@*******.NB.NET>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 01:25:49 +0000
> From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
> Subject: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News

> After speaking to a few friends in the local county justice dept. there is
> a current murder trial before the bench wherein the two teens being tried
> for the crime apparently committed the act as a LARP "ritual
> slaying/bleeding" while playing Vampire.

There was a big story in the national news (USA) about 4 teens who
killed one's parents and took the car, etc. The newsies reported
that these kids played Live action Vampire and were a part of a
vampirecult, believing themselves to be actual live (well, dead,
really) vampires.

Luckily no one siezed on the role playing thing nationally.


--Droopy
droopy@**.net
Message no. 7
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:30:36 +0100
Spike said on 13:37/26 Feb 97...

> It has been proved that in general, Role-players are MORE stable and
> LESS prone to suicide than non-role-players....

Because they play RPGs, or were they already before they picked up the
hobby?

> I wouldn't worry about it. There's something like this coming 'round ever
> year or two anyway.....

A lot more often than that, I think...

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Message no. 8
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:06:44 EST
On Tue, 25 Feb 1997 23:15:54 EST Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
writes:
<snipping Inquest>
>never the less, there will always be the people that will make almost
>any
>claim they can to implicate rpg's being evil, deathly, or dangerous.
>Maybe they just can't understand them, so they try to destroy
>them....I don't know. I guess it really only matters with the gamers,
>and hopefully most people will take this with a grain of salt.
>
>Gweedo the Killer Pimp strikes again!
>
Would it be possible to get a copy of this article? Does Inquest have a
web site?

--
-Canthros
If any man wishes peace, canthros1@***.com
let him prepare for war. lobo1@****.com
--Roman proverb
http://members.aol.com/canthros1/
Message no. 9
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 19:48:25 +0000
On 26 Feb 97 at 13:37, Spike wrote:
[snip]
> It has been proved that in general, Role-players are MORE stable and LESS prone
> to suicide than non-role-players....
Do you have a source for this? I am always collecting ammo... err,
VERBAL ammo in my ongoing firefig... err... discussion with my mother
about RPGs. Not that she tries to tell me I'll be unsocial, or even a
murderer, but she simply thinks it silly. At least, we both can laugh
when people start their "RPGs are evil!" campaign - for different
reasons, ok, but... :-)



Sascha
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Message no. 10
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 18:13:49 EST
To: L Canthros
From: Gweedo the Killer Pimp
Subject: Inquest article
>Would it be possible to get a copy of this article? Does Inquest have
>a
>web site?
>--
>-Canthros
>If any man wishes peace, canthros1@***.com
>let him prepare for war. lobo1@****.com
>--Roman proverb
>http://members.aol.com/canthros1/
-------
The most i could do for you, is privately mail you the article, I know
they have a site, but i don't know just quite where it is. Try using a
search engine with the words inquest.
Oh well. . . .
Message no. 11
From: "Faux Pas (Thomas)" <thomas@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 17:25:46 -0600
On 06:13 PM 2/28/97 EST, Gweedo The Killer Pimp screamed at the world:
>The most i could do for you, is privately mail you the article, I know
>they have a site, but i don't know just quite where it is. Try using a
>search engine with the words inquest.

http://www.wizardpress.com/inquest.html

is InQuest's URL.



Thomas Deeny
Infobahn Austin
512 320 0556
Message no. 12
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 19:49:48 EST
Faux Pass writes:

>http://www.wizardpress.com/inquest.html
>
>is InQuest's URL.
-------
Nifty, mayhaps do you know what their E-mail address is?
Message no. 13
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 14:25:15 +1000
> > It has been proved that in general, Role-players are MORE stable and
> > LESS prone to suicide than non-role-players....
>
> Because they play RPGs, or were they already before they picked up the
> hobby?
>

Hell, personally I think that if you are that unstable that you take
RPG's that much to heart that you kill yourself or your family or friends,
then you'd have found another outlet for the disturbance somewhere else.

Could you tell me where to find that proof of stability?

It makes sense, because it (RPG's) provides an outlets for some of the
darker passions inside some of us..

Hell, In the words of Denis Leary;

"Kill your parents, kill the band, then kill yourself.
Please remember to get your whole head in front of the shotgun.
Thankyou"

Bleach
Message no. 14
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 11:10:39 EST
On Fri, 28 Feb 1997 17:25:46 -0600 "Faux Pas (Thomas)"
<thomas@*******.COM> writes:
>On 06:13 PM 2/28/97 EST, Gweedo The Killer Pimp screamed at the world:
>>The most i could do for you, is privately mail you the article, I
>know
>>they have a site, but i don't know just quite where it is. Try using
>a
>>search engine with the words inquest.
>
>http://www.wizardpress.com/inquest.html
>
>is InQuest's URL.
>

Thank ye greatly:)


>
>
> Thomas Deeny
>Infobahn Austin
> 512 320 0556
>

--
-Canthros
If any man wishes peace, canthros1@***.com
let him prepare for war. lobo1@****.com
--Roman proverb
http://members.aol.com/canthros1/
Message no. 15
From: Droopy <droopy@*******.NB.NET>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 01:25:50 +0000
> From: Dvixen <dvixen@********.COM>
> Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News

> A few years back, we had a similar trial happening in town, and because
> one of the boys involved played ##$#, and used an axe to kill his mother
> and grandmother, it was blamed on the rpg. I was working in the local

It's always something. Judas Priest had to go to court in a teen
suicide case. The parents sued the band because the kid had their
record playing when or before he died. The case was thrown out (for
stupidity, I'd guess.)


--Droopy
droopy@**.net
Message no. 16
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 22:08:30 -0700
At 01:25 2/27/97 +0000, Droopy wrote:
>It's always something. Judas Priest had to go to court in a teen
>suicide case. The parents sued the band because the kid had their
>record playing when or before he died. The case was thrown out (for
>stupidity, I'd guess.)

I've forgotten which singer it was, but sometime in the 80's he had to go
to court on a similar trial. When asked something along the lines of "Do
you encourage your listeners to commit suicide?"
"No..I wouldn't have anyone to buy my records then, would I?"

Fro-who-thought-he-knew-what-he-was-talking-bout-when-he-hit-reply:)
Message no. 17
From: Court Schuett <schuett@*****.IVCC.EDU>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 03:29:49 -0600
Just to let everyone feel a little better. My friend is in some wellness
class at school, and they were taking a stress test. He was reading
down, and noticed "Actively plays a role playing game" -30!!!! That's
extremely good for the test I guess. Anyway, we were kinda figuring,
he'd prolly have keeled over from too much stress by now. So in some
weird way, I've helped save my friends life. :) After all this somewhat
sad news about RPGs in the media and society, I thought I'd try to cheer
everyone up. :)
-COurt


/* Court Schuett

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Peter came out and gave us medals
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Message no. 18
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 07:16:09 -0500
> Just to let everyone feel a little better. My friend is in some wellness
> class at school, and they were taking a stress test. He was reading
> down, and noticed "Actively plays a role playing game" -30!!!! That's
> extremely good for the test I guess. Anyway, we were kinda figuring,
> he'd prolly have keeled over from too much stress by now. So in some
> weird way, I've helped save my friends life. :) After all this somewhat
> sad news about RPGs in the media and society, I thought I'd try to cheer
> everyone up. :)

That IS good news!
And your cheer-up attempt worked for me!

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com./users/bluewizard
"But I don't have any skin!"
Message no. 19
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 00:14:23 +0000
|
|Spike said on 13:37/26 Feb 97...
|
|> It has been proved that in general, Role-players are MORE stable and
|> LESS prone to suicide than non-role-players....
|
|Because they play RPGs, or were they already before they picked up the
|hobby?

That, is one of the big questions...

Does playing out your fantasies make you more stable? Or are RPGs more
attractive to more "stable" people anyway....?

|> I wouldn't worry about it. There's something like this coming 'round ever
|> year or two anyway.....
|
|A lot more often than that, I think...

Yeh, but it usually gets blown out of all proportion once or twice a
year..... All the rest are just.... small by comparison...
--
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Message no. 20
From: Tim P Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 20:23:54 EST
On Sun, 2 Mar 1997 03:29:49 -0600 Court Schuett <schuett@*****.IVCC.EDU>
writes:
>Just to let everyone feel a little better. My friend is in some
wellness
>class at school, and they were taking a stress test. He was reading
>down, and noticed "Actively plays a role playing game" -30!!!! That's
>extremely good for the test I guess. Anyway, we were kinda figuring,
>he'd prolly have keeled over from too much stress by now. So in some
>weird way, I've helped save my friends life. :) After all this
somewhat
>sad news about RPGs in the media and society, I thought I'd try to cheer
>everyone up. :)
>-COurt

Hmm...Cool.

I've got a fairly highstrung friend who plays RPG's. If they supposedly
lower stress, I'd hate to see how he'd be WITHOUT rpg's. I think he'd be
spending a great deal of his time "Going Postal" over stuff...

~Tim (who thinks his buddy takes life WAY too seriously)
Message no. 21
From: Ashelock <woneal@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 08:17:27 -0005
On 27 Feb 97 at 10:30, Gurth wrote:

> Spike said on 13:37/26 Feb 97...
>
> > It has been proved that in general, Role-players are MORE stable and
> > LESS prone to suicide than non-role-players....
>
> Because they play RPGs, or were they already before they picked up the
> hobby?
>
> > I wouldn't worry about it. There's something like this coming 'round
> > ever year or two anyway.....
>
> A lot more often than that, I think...

What disturbs me most about all this is the repeated tendancy of people
to blame something, look for a simplistic answer, when these crimes happen.
Nobody wants to hear that the kid was bent in the head because his mother
ignored him, his father told him he was a failure, or worse still, he
slipped through the cracks of society. God forbid people have to face the
fact that society creates these monsters. They want a nice simple answer
that they can blame it on. And all through history people have picked
inanimate objects, mysterious curses or some similiar thing. Anything to
keep them from looking at each other and asking the dreaded quesion, "Is
humanity really this savage?" Oh... he was demon possessed, or she was a
witch or.... you get the point. It struck me how moronic we are when I was
reviewing some legal material the other day. In America if a weapon (gun,
knife, or whatever) is used in a crime, it must be destroyed. The crime
doesn't have to involve injury, if you get caught carrying a concealed
pocket knife for example, even if you are found innocent, the pocket knife
still gets destroyed. Essentially what the law implies is that since the
object was involved in a crime, it is now somehow "evil" and so we must
destroy it. Makes you wonder just how "civilized" humanity is, doesn't
it? Oops.... looks like I just asked that forbidden question, wonder
someone is going to stone me to death now ; ) Just my 2 yen.

--

Ashelock
mailto:woneal@*******.net

"They say it's a brave new world we're building. I say they're right,
and we'll all have to be pretty brave to live in it."
Message no. 22
From: Angel Ramos y David Fayes <hansa@****.NET>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 21:26:30 -0500
At 10:08 PM 03/1/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>I've forgotten which singer it was,

OZZIE OSBOURNE 8-)

but sometime in the 80's he had to go
>to court on a similar trial. When asked something along the lines of "Do
>you encourage your listeners to commit suicide?"
>"No..I wouldn't have anyone to buy my records then, would I?"

ARRT
THE ROCKER ELVEN MAGE
Message no. 23
From: Angel Ramos y David Fayes <hansa@****.NET>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 21:26:32 -0500
At 05:25 PM 02/28/97 -0600, you wrote:
>On 06:13 PM 2/28/97 EST, Gweedo The Killer Pimp screamed at the world:
>>The most i could do for you, is privately mail you the article,

WOULD YOU PLEASE EMAIL ME A COPY OF THE ARTICLE, PLEASE

ARRT
THE ELVEN MAGE
Message no. 24
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:17:04 +0000
|
|At 05:25 PM 02/28/97 -0600, you wrote:
|>On 06:13 PM 2/28/97 EST, Gweedo The Killer Pimp screamed at the world:
|>>The most i could do for you, is privately mail you the article,
|
|WOULD YOU PLEASE EMAIL ME A COPY OF THE ARTICLE, PLEASE

There's no need to shout....
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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Message no. 25
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:11:41 EST
TO: Spike
>|At 05:25 PM 02/28/97 -0600, you wrote:
>|>On 06:13 PM 2/28/97 EST, Gweedo The Killer Pimp screamed at the
>world:
>|>>The most i could do for you, is privately mail you the article,
>|
>|WOULD YOU PLEASE EMAIL ME A COPY OF THE ARTICLE, PLEASE
>
>There's no need to shout....
-----
Mr. Spike, I do say. It chafes my willy to see people acting like a
school marm, please, if the person feels the need to shout, let him vent
his anger, it's only natural.(In case you didn't catch on, this post was
written in jest by my alter ego, thank you and good night :-p


Gweedo the Killer Pimp strikes again!
Message no. 26
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:15:06 EST
On Fri, 28 Feb 1997 21:26:32 -0500 Angel Ramos y David Fayes
<hansa@****.NET> writes:
>At 05:25 PM 02/28/97 -0600, you wrote:
>>On 06:13 PM 2/28/97 EST, Gweedo The Killer Pimp screamed at the
>world:
>>>The most i could do for you, is privately mail you the article,
>
>WOULD YOU PLEASE EMAIL ME A COPY OF THE ARTICLE, PLEASE

Could you do the same for me? Somehow, I don't think my library carries
Inquest...Could you also tell me what issue of Inquest it was in
(month/year)

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Message no. 27
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:22:58 +0000
|>|WOULD YOU PLEASE EMAIL ME A COPY OF THE ARTICLE, PLEASE
|>
|>There's no need to shout....
|-----
|Mr. Spike, I do say. It chafes my willy to see people acting like a
|school marm, please, if the person feels the need to shout, let him vent
|his anger, it's only natural.(In case you didn't catch on, this post was
|written in jest by my alter ego, thank you and good night :-p

<Bugs Bunny>

He don't know me too well..... Do he?

</Bugs Bunny>
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Message no. 28
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:59:43 -0800
On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Angel Ramos y David Fayes wrote:

> At 05:25 PM 02/28/97 -0600, you wrote:
> >On 06:13 PM 2/28/97 EST, Gweedo The Killer Pimp screamed at the world:
> >>The most i could do for you, is privately mail you the article,
>
> WOULD YOU PLEASE EMAIL ME A COPY OF THE ARTICLE, PLEASE
>
> ARRT
> THE ELVEN MAGE
>

Hey Arrt, do us all a favor and give that long key to the left of your
keyboard marked "Caps Lock" a tap will ya?

Nuance is very important in email - and well.. none of us are deaf.

~Tim (who realizes he just made a semi-sweeping generalization and
apologizes to all the deaf list members. :)
Message no. 29
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:37:28 EST
On Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:22:58 +0000 Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
writes:

>|Mr. Spike, I do say. It chafes my willy to see people acting like a
>|school marm, please, if the person feels the need to shout, let him
>vent
>|his anger, it's only natural.(In case you didn't catch on, this post
>was
>|written in jest by my alter ego, thank you and good night :-p
>
><Bugs Bunny>
>
>He don't know me too well..... Do he?
----
huh huh huh, it's time to hunt some wabbit! (Yes this is cheesy but so
what!)



Gweedo the Killer Pimp strikes again!
Message no. 30
From: Droopy <droopy@*******.NB.NET>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 01:13:41 +0000
> From: Ashelock <woneal@*******.NET>
> Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News

> What disturbs me most about all this is the repeated tendancy of people
> to blame something, look for a simplistic answer, when these crimes happen.

To snip this down into a true statement....No one want to be
responsible for their kids. Look at all of the US laws that restrict
something or other and you'll see it. (like the new FDA rule about
tobacco products, the whole internet thing, etc...)


--Droopy
droopy@**.net
Message no. 31
From: "-={*~CHASZMYR~*}=-" <d96403@***.LYNGBYES.DK>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 08:25:36 +0100
At 16.59 03-03-97 -0800, you wrote:
>On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Angel Ramos y David Fayes wrote:
>
>> At 05:25 PM 02/28/97 -0600, you wrote:
>> >On 06:13 PM 2/28/97 EST, Gweedo The Killer Pimp screamed at the world:
>> >>The most i could do for you, is privately mail you the article,
>>
>> WOULD YOU PLEASE EMAIL ME A COPY OF THE ARTICLE, PLEASE
>>
>> ARRT
>> THE ELVEN MAGE
>>
>
>Hey Arrt, do us all a favor and give that long key to the left of your
>keyboard marked "Caps Lock" a tap will ya?
>
>Nuance is very important in email - and well.. none of us are deaf.
>
>~Tim (who realizes he just made a semi-sweeping generalization and
>apologizes to all the deaf list members. :)
>
Hej Tim, what about us blind people, that kind of font really hurts our eyes ;)

Chaszmyr.

Just bored and having some fun
Check out my homepage on:

http://www.lyngbyes.dk/users/d96403

"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
Yet with strange aeons, even Death may die."
Howard P. Lovecraft
Message no. 32
From: Shawn Baumgartner <Breakdown@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 02:23:40 -0500
Hey, cut me a copy of that article to my e-mail address. I'd love to
bitch in there ear about their bias.

Shawn
Planning a page listing known spammers' e-mail addresses so people can
spam the shit out of THEIR mailboxes with stupid drivel.

-----------------------------------------------------
Oh No!
Another damn page!
http://www.toptown.com/CENTRALPARK/DEOSYNE/
Ah what the hell; better than gardening!
Message no. 33
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 06:39:06 -0500
At 12:22 AM 3/4/97 +0000, Spike wrote these timeless words:
>|>|WOULD YOU PLEASE EMAIL ME A COPY OF THE ARTICLE, PLEASE
>|>
>|>There's no need to shout....
>|-----
>|Mr. Spike, I do say. It chafes my willy to see people acting like a
>|school marm, please, if the person feels the need to shout, let him vent
>|his anger, it's only natural.(In case you didn't catch on, this post was
>|written in jest by my alter ego, thank you and good night :-p
>
><Bugs Bunny>
>
>He don't know me too well..... Do he?
>
></Bugs Bunny>
>
No, not at all... Hey Gweedo... Spike IS a school marm...:):):)

Hmmm, now there's an image... a School Marm with grey hair, in a spiked
mohawk, a granny dress, and combat boots...:):):)

Bull-the-just-imagining-it-Ork-Decker
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= "Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours?" =
=======================================================

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Message no. 34
From: Ashelock <woneal@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 04:00:33 -0005
On 4 Mar 97 at 1:13, Droopy wrote:

> > From: Ashelock <woneal@*******.NET>
> > Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
>
> > What disturbs me most about all this is the repeated tendancy
> > of people
> > to blame something, look for a simplistic answer, when these crimes
> > happen.
>
> To snip this down into a true statement....No one want to be
> responsible for their kids. Look at all of the US laws that restrict
> something or other and you'll see it. (like the new FDA rule about
> tobacco products, the whole internet thing, etc...)
>
That's it in a nut shell, no one wants to take responsibility. One of
these days I'll learn to be succinct.... but don't hold your breath
waiting : )
--

Ashelock
mailto:woneal@*******.net

"They say it's a brave new world we're building. I say they're right,
and we'll all have to be pretty brave to live in it."
Message no. 35
From: Angel Ramos y David Fayes <hansa@****.NET>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 06:48:10 -0500
At 04:59 PM 03/3/97 -0800, you wrote:

>Hey Arrt, do us all a favor and give that long key to the left of your
>keyboard marked "Caps Lock" a tap will ya?
>Nuance is very important in email - and well.. none of us are deaf.

Sorry man! I'm just new on the email etiquette. Didn't know that DOING THIS
was shout 8-)

ARRT (Angel Rolando Ramos Tomasini)
The elven mage
Message no. 36
From: Tim P Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 14:17:34 EST
On Tue, 4 Mar 1997 08:25:36 +0100 "-={*~CHASZMYR~*}=-"
>Hej Tim, what about us blind people, that kind of font really hurts
>our eyes ;)
>
>Chaszmyr.

Uh..don't you mean your fingers?
:)

~Tim (who'd be blind without his glasses)
Message no. 37
From: John Jones <jjonnzz@********.INFI.NET>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hate to tell ya - RL Anti-RPG News
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 21:58:29 -0500
MARTIN E. GOTTHARD wrote:
>
> > > It has been proved that in general, Role-players are MORE stable and
> > > LESS prone to suicide than non-role-players....
> >
> > Because they play RPGs, or were they already before they picked up the
> > hobby?
> >
>
> Hell, personally I think that if you are that unstable that you take
> RPG's that much to heart that you kill yourself or your family or friends,
> then you'd have found another outlet for the disturbance somewhere else.
>
> Could you tell me where to find that proof of stability?
>

Actually, several years ago during the Patricia Bulling/BADD fiasco,
several Psychologists/Psychiatrists were quoted in national medical
journals as stating this. (Can't remember the magazines or issue
numbers, ....sorry)

> It makes sense, because it (RPG's) provides an outlets for some of the
> darker passions inside some of us..
>
> Hell, In the words of Denis Leary;
>
> "Kill your parents, kill the band, then kill yourself.
> Please remember to get your whole head in front of the shotgun.
> Thankyou"
>
> Bleach

John Jones

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