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Message no. 1
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: OT - Help for religously oppressed gamers
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:03:25 -0400
>The attitude against RPGs here in Salt Lake City is quite
>famous. Everyone here thinks that the activity is evil all the time and
>can't be used for Good and Moral purposes.
>>
>> — Elton Robb

>Go to Navou (spelling?) Illinois. There is a group of people there that
play
>RPG's, even if it is modified just a bit, so as to allow for moral
>'interloping'. And they are the same religious coat as the Salt Laker's
>(granted, they are also the one's that are sabatical half the time).

For those of you that are catching similar arguments like Elton, check out
this web site
http://www.alaska.net/~cass/draid/draid.html

This is just one site dedicated to the religous RPG Dragonraid.
I personally have used this game IN a church with our youth group.
It promotes solid, Christian values, and also promotes gamiong in a VERY
positive light.
It certainly helped me justify my hobby to people who were actively against
gaming.

Hope it helps you with yours!
(I've fought this fight a LOT, and if anyone would like some tips on how to
defend gaming from those who consider it an "evil" hobby, please contact me
privately, I'd be happy to help.)

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard
"Never trust a monkey!"
Message no. 2
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: OT - Help for religously oppressed gamers
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:27:20 -0600
Steven A. Tinner wrote:
|
| For those of you that are catching similar arguments like Elton, check out
| this web site
| http://www.alaska.net/~cass/draid/draid.html
|
| This is just one site dedicated to the religous RPG Dragonraid.
| I personally have used this game IN a church with our youth group.
| It promotes solid, Christian values, and also promotes gamiong in a VERY
| positive light.

Solid, Christian values in a positive light? <friendly grin> Sorry,
I'm a Unitarian Universalist and I couldn't help it. Such is our nature.

| It certainly helped me justify my hobby to people who were actively against
| gaming.

Knowledge is the greatest weapon. I'll have to check out that website.

-David
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
--
"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing
which ones to keep."
Message no. 3
From: Glenn Robb <GLENNROBB@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: OT - Help for religously oppressed gamers
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:57:56 -0600
Knowledge is power. Tracy Hickman's site is the best I've seen so far, that is,
on the subject. I'll check out the Draid site sooner or later. And thanks
everyone.

— Elton Robb
"Your Generously Liberal GM.
I broke all the rules."

David Buehrer wrote:

> Steven A. Tinner wrote:
> |
> | For those of you that are catching similar arguments like Elton, check out
> | this web site
> | http://www.alaska.net/~cass/draid/draid.html
> |
> | This is just one site dedicated to the religous RPG Dragonraid.
> | I personally have used this game IN a church with our youth group.
> | It promotes solid, Christian values, and also promotes gamiong in a VERY
> | positive light.
>
> Solid, Christian values in a positive light? <friendly grin> Sorry,
> I'm a Unitarian Universalist and I couldn't help it. Such is our nature.
>
> | It certainly helped me justify my hobby to people who were actively against
> | gaming.
>
> Knowledge is the greatest weapon. I'll have to check out that website.
>
> -David
> http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
> --
> "Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing
> which ones to keep."
Message no. 4
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: OT - Help for religously oppressed gamers
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:37:07 +0100
And verily, did Glenn Robb hastily scribble thusly...
|
|Knowledge is power. Tracy Hickman's site is the best I've seen so far, that is,
|on the subject. I'll check out the Draid site sooner or later. And thanks
|everyone.

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Message no. 5
From: Stefan <casanova@******.PASSAGEN.SE>
Subject: Re: OT - Help for religously oppressed gamers
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 13:27:20 +0000
> It promotes solid, Christian values, and also promotes gamiong in a VERY
> positive light.

This is starting to sound like a promo for the Universal Brotherhood
or something similar ... or perhaps that is just to heathens like me
... :)

/Stefan

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Message no. 6
From: Tobias Berghoff <Zixx@*****.TEUTO.DE>
Subject: Re: OT - Help for religously oppressed gamers
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:19:00 GMT
on 18.10.97 casanova@******.PASSAGEN.SE wrote:
c> Authenticated sender is <casanova@***.passagen.se>
c> > It promotes solid, Christian values, and also promotes gamiong in a VERY
c> > positive light.
c>
c> This is starting to sound like a promo for the Universal Brotherhood
c> or something similar ... or perhaps that is just to heathens like me
c> ... :)

Oh well, I know some gamers, who say 'In Nomine Satanis' is the only true
RPG...
(Hey, that would be great: Make a session of INS at a church...YES!!)



Tobias Berghoff a.k.a Zixx a.k.a. Charon, your friendly werepanther physad.

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Message no. 7
From: Stefan <casanova@******.PASSAGEN.SE>
Subject: Re: OT - Help for religously oppressed gamers
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:35:05 +0000
> From: Tobias Berghoff <Zixx@*****.TEUTO.DE>

> c> > It promotes solid, Christian values, and also promotes gamiong in a VERY
> c> > positive light.
> c>
> c> This is starting to sound like a promo for the Universal Brotherhood
> c> or something similar ... or perhaps that is just to heathens like me
> c> ... :)
>
> Oh well, I know some gamers, who say 'In Nomine Satanis' is the only true
> RPG...
> (Hey, that would be great: Make a session of INS at a church...YES!!)

Just cause I am a heathen does not mean I have to bash the church or
worship the devil .... Ehh satanic roleplaying in church ? yeah right
... if you havn't been struck by lightning before you will :)

/Stefan

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Message no. 8
From: Tobias Berghoff <Zixx@*****.TEUTO.DE>
Subject: Re: OT - Help for religously oppressed gamers
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:49:00 GMT
on 28.10.97 casanova@******.PASSAGEN.SE wrote:

c> > c> > It promotes solid, Christian values, and also promotes gamiong in a
c> > c> > VERY positive light.
c> > c>
c> > c> This is starting to sound like a promo for the Universal Brotherhood
c> > c> or something similar ... or perhaps that is just to heathens like me
c> > c> ... :)
c> >
c> > Oh well, I know some gamers, who say 'In Nomine Satanis' is the only true
c> > RPG...
c> > (Hey, that would be great: Make a session of INS at a church...YES!!)
c>
c> Just cause I am a heathen does not mean I have to bash the church or
c> worship the devil ....

Never said that. Actually none of these guys worship the devil or Satan or
whatever. They just like the idea of playing demons....

c> Ehh satanic roleplaying in church ? yeah right
c> ... if you havn't been struck by lightning before you will :)

I'm not grounded and I'm carrying a farrady-cage with me all the time.
Just paranoia....:)



Tobias Berghoff a.k.a Zixx a.k.a. Charon, your friendly werepanther physad.

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