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Message no. 1
From: Jakko Westerbeke <jweste%smtp@******.HZEELAND.NL>
Subject: Other stuff in cyberarms
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 22:37:26 +0100
Everybody's talking about putting cyberdecks in cyberarms, but why
couldn't you put other things in it as well. Radios, headware phones,
white-noise generators, you name it.

While I'm on the subject, a friend of mine had the idea of stitching a
reusable fetish or a focus (bit tricky) inside a magician's body...any
ideas?
Message no. 2
From: What's this button do? <GRAFF85@********.CORTLAND.EDU>
Subject: Re: Other stuff in cyberarms
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 18:57:03 -0400
>While I'm on the subject, a friend of mine had the idea of stitching a
>reusable fetish or a focus (bit tricky) inside a magician's body...any
>ideas?

umm this would be possible but kinda usless (read as stupid...) because think
of this: you now have a fetish that is "permenantly" part of your body. The
plusses: you have the fetish always, you can reuse it, The minuses: the damn
thing is like a fragging flare saying here I am in astral space...if your
friend was on a run with me and I knew that he had it...I'd be out the moment I
heard that I was being paired with him.

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Message no. 3
From: Michael Lozano <lozanom@******.ENMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Other stuff in cyberarms
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 01:07:34 +0100
>While I'm on the subject, a friend of mine had the idea of stitching a
>reusable fetish or a focus (bit tricky) inside a magician's body...any
>ideas?

If you've ever read through the Harlequin adventure, Ehran had supposedly
fused a spell lock onto the thighbone of his daughter. A fetish or focus
shouldn't be that far away.

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Message no. 4
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Other stuff in cyberarms
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 20:04:08 -0500
>>>>> "JW" == Jakko Westerbeke
<jweste%smtp@******.HZeeland.nl> writes:

JW> While I'm on the subject, a friend of mine had the idea of stitching a
JW> reusable fetish or a focus (bit tricky) inside a magician's body...any
JW> ideas?

Target! Target! Thing is, you /don't/ want something like that implanted,
just in case someone else decides to make use of it as a link. Not to
mention that the mage's body's immune system will reject the sucker.

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Message no. 5
From: Matt <mosbun@******.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Other stuff in cyberarms
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 21:50:42 -0500
The difference being that a spell lock can be turned off. I don't think a
fetish can be.

Matt
Message no. 6
From: The Powerhouse <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Other stuff in cyberarms
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 22:23:14 +0000
In reply to Jakko Westerbeke .....

> While I'm on the subject, a friend of mine had the idea of stitching a
> reusable fetish or a focus (bit tricky) inside a magician's body...any
> ideas?

Well warn him that if he does it with a focus then when the focus is activated
and a spell ground through then that spell really hits the guy. In either
case I'd suggest a loss of essence unless done inside of a cyberarm.

Phill.
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Message no. 7
From: Joe Bay <bay@*******.RUTGERS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Other stuff in cyberarms
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 23:44:25 EST
Fetishes don't act as astral beacons; only foci do that.
Message no. 8
From: "C. Paul Douglas" <granite@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Other stuff in cyberarms
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 00:12:31 -0500
On Mon, 28 Feb 1994, Jakko Westerbeke wrote:

> While I'm on the subject, a friend of mine had the idea of stitching a
> reusable fetish or a focus (bit tricky) inside a magician's body...any
> ideas?
>
I think it could be done without rejection problems and without loosing
essence [they don't have to be huge afterall-you could even swallow it]
BUT I sure wouldn't want
one inside me when some initiate grounded a Mana Blow your Head Right Off
Spell through it...
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Message no. 9
From: "Nathan V. Hughes" <has3nvh@******.VCU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Other Stuff in cyberarms
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 11:41:06 EST
The idea of having a magical item implanted in one's body could
provoke quite a mess if another mage saw the item thru astral space
and decided that he wants it...ewww *shudder*

---Zero---
Message no. 10
From: Micah Levy <M.Levy@**.UCL.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Other Stuff in cyberarms
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 17:20:34 +0000
Why? Apart from any astral->mundane plane grounding of spells as previously
mentioned what worse could (or needs) to be done?


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Message no. 11
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Other stuff in cyberarms
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 09:54:20 -0700
>> While I'm on the subject, a friend of mine had the idea of stitching a
>> reusable fetish or a focus (bit tricky) inside a magician's body...any
>> ideas?
>>
>I think it could be done without rejection problems and without loosing
>essence [they don't have to be huge afterall-you could even swallow it]
>BUT I sure wouldn't want
>one inside me when some initiate grounded a Mana Blow your Head Right Off
>Spell through it...

First of all Fetishes can not be ground through, secondly, when grounding a
spell it really doesn't matter if you are an initiate or not.

As to putting the focus in the body - I would say no, use the focus was biult
that way - ie the focus was biuld as a pacemaker or knee pin (doesn't this sound
slightly stupid to any of you othe people?) Anything that you put in your body,
the body considers to be alien and tries to get rid of - unless that thing is
non reactive and medically sound (IE the pins they use in your knees) now
anything that the body is not going to attack is probably very processed making
it extremely hard to enchant. Also, things that are in your body the body tends
to eat away at - slowly destroying it. All in all, I would say it isn't that
great of an idea.

Fetishes - same thing - though I can see an earring or other ring being used as
a reusable fetish (or possibly even expandable if you have a lot of earrings).


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Message no. 12
From: Michael Garoni <Michael_Garoni@****.INTERSOLV.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Other stuff in cyberarms
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 10:35:00 LCL
Inbuilt Fetishes: Munchkin Concept.

The reason that game balance allows fetishes to increase your spell casting
ability is that it is something that you need to rely on having. You get
advantages because these items can be taken, dropped etc and leave you unable to
cast the spell. Building it in is evading that purpose. If you decide to allow
the guy to build it in, modify the way that fetishes (specifically in built
fetishes) act in the game.

If you want to allow this, then give it a link or even just a recognisable
signature, so that it can at least be detected astrally. Why ? If the pc ever
gets caught by a mage, remind them that the fetish will most likely be removed,
quickly! Any time I catch a hostile mage, the first things is to remove all
jewellery etc that could be an item of magical assistance. We also have a mage
in the team, and if I was told that the captive had implanted magic aids - out
with the katana, slice open the body, rip out the fetish etc. Can't have a mage
toasting you when you aren't looking. Messy but effective.

If you don't want to allow it, try to encourage the guy to role play, not rules
play. The player is thinking like a person who knows the rules and has found a
loophole, rather than a mage studying the arcane arts. The character could
probably explain to the player why it wouldn't work. We have a guy like that in
our team, and we have had to get to the point of saying, "the GM has made a
decision, and it just doesn't work."

Smoke
Message no. 13
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Other stuff in cyberarms
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 00:21:40 -0500
On Mon, 28 Feb 1994, Jakko Westerbeke wrote:

> Everybody's talking about putting cyberdecks in cyberarms, but why
> couldn't you put other things in it as well. Radios, headware phones,
> white-noise generators, you name it.

I had one character, name of Loudmouth, who had an audiochip
player embedded in his arm. It was linked with the head memory, recording
ears, and voicebox modifications, so that I could (among other things)
mimic any musician (and their whole band) perfectly!
Actually, it only came in handy twice -- once to record a
conversation and play it back to somebody else later, and once to mimic
somebody else's voice.
Message no. 14
From: Joe Bay <bay@*******.RUTGERS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Other stuff in cyberarms
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 11:29:40 EST
I dislike the idea of allowing inbuilt fetishes. As I said before, the whole
fetish concept is the requirement of an item for spellcasting. It would be
downright silly to allow inbuilt fetishes. Look at the talisman geas in the
Grimoire. This requires a specific object for (any) spellcasting. A fetish
is like that, except for a single spell. Now, if you could designate your
fetish like a talisman (not a difficult matter, just requires some
talismongering), you might want to say "Ok, my pelvis is my fetish for this
spell" (best to make it a reusable fetish - ouch). This is ridiculous.

Joe
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