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From:	loneeagle2061@*******.com (Lone Eagle)
Subject:	[OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one
Date:	Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:35:04 +0000

Message no. 1 >From: Ice Heart <korishinzo@*****.com>
<Snip>
>Variation:
>
>1. Hold out your right arm, palm down, fingers
>extended.
>
>2. Again drop your fingers, creating that 90 degree
>bend in your wrist.
>
>3. Maintaining that 90 degree bend, rotate your hand
>counter-clockwise until your finger point to the
>right. This should all be familiar.
>
>4. Now bend your elbow, bringing the back of your
>wrist/hand toward your chest. This will create a
>second 90 degree angle at your elbow. You arm and
>hand should now form a "lightning bolt" or "reverse z"
>pattern asyou look down on it.
<Snip>

One of my favourites (although it's always been half way up my forearm that
I get the pain...)

>That is enough jujitsu for now.

There's never enough Ju-Jitsu.

>Korishinzo
>--we finally found a topic I know really well ;D

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From:	loneeagle2061@*******.com (Lone Eagle)
Subject:	[OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one
Date:	Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:56:16 +0000

Message no. 2 >From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
> > This is a classic ude gatame, or arm bar. Let me
>clarify the instructions a little bit.
><snipt!(TM) series of arm lock instructions>
> > Korishinzo
>
>Are similar locks to these taught in Aikido?

Ju-Jitsu is the root art from which Aikido was developed many of the
Ju-Jitsu locks travelled intact. It is therefore very likely that indentical
locks are taught in Aikido.

>Oh, and all those nasty techniques you mentioned, Kori
>- are they the kind of things you could pick up in any
>martial art if your instructor was inclined to teach
>them to you, or are some or all specific to ju-jitsu?

My Sensai always finishes off a session with a couple of "Nice to knows" he
focusses on self defense as opposed to competition fighting anyway and his
"nice to knows" either go subtle (strong handshake getouts) or huge.
Basically anyone who is teaching the martial art so that you can defend
yourself will probably teach you how to fight dirty (and what to say to the
police afterwards) while if you're being taught to look good of fight in
competition you'll probably get less.

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From:	loneeagle2061@*******.com (Lone Eagle)
Subject:	[OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one
Date:	Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:19:46 +0000

Message no. 3 >From: Ice Heart <korishinzo@*****.com>
>Some people have weighed into this thread with
>references to ninjutsu. You should bear in mind that
>there is no more a single form of ninjutsu than there
>is a single kung fu. Ninjutsu, from its founding, is
>the art of improvisation and borrowing. There is not
>one single technique in that art that any student of
>that art can claim as original or unique to ninjutsu.
>This is not a criticism. The art's greatest strength
>is unpredictability and adaptability. Never, ever
>assume that because that last ninjutsu practicioner
>kicked you in the head, the next one will. She might
>not kick at all. She might use jujitsu arm locks,
>judo throws, tang su do kicks, shoto ryu block-punch
>combinations, or just pick up a stick and hit you
>reaklly hard. :)

Unless both the last and the current have learned American Ninjitsu of
course. Not wishing to be prejudiced but only in America do people take the
art of adaptability and formalise it.

>The second most important attribute of any martial art
>is surprise, so I am going to keep the rest of my
>secrets for myself. ;)

Ah, but what about philosophy, I mean those people who have absorbed the
philosophy will take your secrets and learn from them but if you ever fight
them (outside tournament) you'll probably both stand there faced off for ten
minutes and then decide to go and have a beer instead. Do you really want to
miss out on that beer?
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From:	loneeagle2061@*******.com (Lone Eagle)
Subject:	[OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one
Date:	Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:54:13 +0000

Message no. 4 >From: Gurth <Gurth@******.nl>
>Lone Eagle, do you have a digital camera so you can show us what we're
>supposed to do in this "exercise"? ;)

No, sorry. Kori explained it quite well (much better than me anyway.)
I'll see if I can find some other way.

> > [I'm not sure which one of these is CCW and with one is CW... I think
> > it depends on which arm you are using...]
>
>I meant when looking along your arm, from your shoulder.

I think I've already noted this but I can't be sure...
Your right arm would be rotating anti clockwise, your left clockwise.

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From:	loneeagle2061@*******.com (Lone Eagle)
Subject:	[OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one
Date:	Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:30:22 +0000

Message no. 5 >From: Gurth <Gurth@******.nl>
> > You probably aren't doing it right, although with me it does matter
> > which direction I turn my arm.
>
>Lone Eagle, do you have a digital camera so you can show us what we're
>supposed to do in this "exercise"? ;)

I'm not sure if its even the right move (and I can't check because the media
players on the work machines have been disabled :-( )
I'm also not sure how useful it might be but try this:

http://www.stanford.edu/group/jujitsu/images/Video/wristlockUkeWaza.mpg

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From:	Gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject:	[OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one
Date:	Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:08:03 +0200

Message no. 6 According to Lone Eagle, on Fri, 11 Oct 2002 the word on the street was...

> No, sorry. Kori explained it quite well (much better than me anyway.)
> I'll see if I can find some other way.

I worked it out by now, and it still looks like I'm a bit more flexible
than most people :)

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From:	iridios@********.net (Iridios)
Subject:	[OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one
Date:	Fri, 11 Oct 2002 20:16:33 -0400

Message no. 7 Lone Eagle wrote:
>
> >From: Ice Heart <korishinzo@*****.com>
> >Think again peoples. :)
> >
> >Women are good at any art they want to be, and
> >especially dangerous in an art favoring strong, low
> >kicks.
>
> Now you're just being silly, everyone knows that women kick like girls. :-)
>
> You know, straight leg, kicking from the hip...
> ;-)

Up between the legs, straight into the vitals. And with pointy toed
shoes no less. :)

@%&^#@%&@@^M@@^@& ! :(

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From:	loneeagle2061@*******.com (Lone Eagle)
Subject:	[OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one
Date:	Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:01:03 +0000

Message no. 8 >From: Iridios <iridios@********.net>
> > Now you're just being silly, everyone knows that women kick like girls.
>:-)
> >
> > You know, straight leg, kicking from the hip...
> > ;-)
>
>Up between the legs, straight into the vitals. And with pointy toed
>shoes no less. :)

Nah, Girls can't get a kick like that above shin level.
;-)

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From:	robertennew@*****.com.au (Robert Ennew)
Subject:	[OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one
Date:	Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:41:54 +1000 (EST)

Message no. 9 --- Lone Eagle <loneeagle2061@*******.com> wrote: >

> Ah, but what about philosophy, I mean those people
> who have absorbed the
> philosophy will take your secrets and learn from
> them but if you ever fight
> them (outside tournament) you'll probably both stand
> there faced off for ten
> minutes and then decide to go and have a beer
> instead. Do you really want to
> miss out on that beer?
> :-)

Yeah I sure fraggin do! especially when It involves
the full contents of a longneck getting broken over
yer' head ;)

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From:	robertennew@*****.com.au (Robert Ennew)
Subject:	[OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one
Date:	Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:55:47 +1000 (EST)

Message no. 10 --- Lone Eagle <loneeagle2061@*******.com> wrote: >
>From: Iridios <iridios@********.net>
> > > Now you're just being silly, everyone knows that
> women kick like girls.
> >:-)
> > >
> > > You know, straight leg, kicking from the hip...
> > > ;-)
> >
> >Up between the legs, straight into the vitals. And
> with pointy toed
> >shoes no less. :)
>
> Nah, Girls can't get a kick like that above shin
> level.
> ;-)
>

FRAGGIN' BULLDREK!!!!!!! Not unless you're well hung &
your balls are danglin' round your ankles (You'll see
why when you read on :)

Girls have a ungodly, inhumanely accurate aim when It
comes to rammin' there whole leg up into a guys
"Goolies" (that's Occa for nuts/balls/testicles
{Occa's Aussie slang for all those slack jaw's out
there, haven't you seen or heard of Stevo Irwen the
Croc Hunter}) their fragin' demons when It comes to
this, the beast never misses It's prey when they go in
for the kill.

(G)irls take glee in knackerin' you in the wa(Z)zas

P.S. I don't speak from regular/current experience as
I already know my balls are big but their not
swollen,(from being kicked in the nuts all the time ;)

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From:	docwagon101@*****.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject:	[OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one
Date:	Tue, 15 Oct 2002 07:57:26 +0100 (BST)

Message no. 11 <snipt!(TM)>
> Girls have a ungodly, inhumanely accurate aim when
It comes to rammin' there whole leg up into a guys
"Goolies" (that's Occa for nuts/balls/testicles
{Occa's Aussie slang for all those slack jaw's out
there, haven't you seen or heard of Stevo Irwen the
Croc Hunter}) their fragin' demons when It comes to
this, the beast never misses It's prey when they go in
for the kill.
<snipt!(TM)>

Er, Robert - I believe it's spelt "ocker". Let's not
confuse the poor Americans more than they already are.

;)

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From:	korishinzo@*****.com (Ice Heart)
Subject:	[OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one
Date:	Tue, 15 Oct 2002 05:51:44 -0700 (PDT)

Message no. 12 --- Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com> wrote:
> <snipt!(TM)>
> > Girls have a ungodly, inhumanely accurate aim when
> It comes to rammin' there whole leg up into a guys
> "Goolies" (that's Occa for nuts/balls/testicles
> {Occa's Aussie slang for all those slack jaw's out
> there, haven't you seen or heard of Stevo Irwen the
> Croc Hunter}) their fragin' demons when It comes to
> this, the beast never misses It's prey when they go
> in
> for the kill.
> <snipt!(TM)>
>
> Er, Robert - I believe it's spelt "ocker". Let's not
> confuse the poor Americans more than they already
> are.
>
> ;)

*immediately signs up for course in Advanced
Confusion*

Too late...darn you Aussies, darn you all to heck!!!

*geat big crocadile tear* ;)

Actually, I realized ong ago that Americans speak a
completely different English than anyone else in the
world, in our constant efforts to globilize with our
eyes closed, our ears covered, and heads shoved...

Anyway...

As far as the disputed capability of a woman to place
a kick on senstive targets...

I think the original poster was joking. :)

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time! :p

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From:	loneeagle@********.co.uk (Lone Eagle)
Subject:	[OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one
Date:	Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:15:29 +0100

Message no. 13 At 01:41 PM 15/10/2002 +1000, GZ wrote:
> --- Lone Eagle <loneeagle2061@*******.com> wrote: >
>
> > Ah, but what about philosophy, I mean those people
> > who have absorbed the
> > philosophy will take your secrets and learn from
> > them but if you ever fight
> > them (outside tournament) you'll probably both stand
> > there faced off for ten
> > minutes and then decide to go and have a beer
> > instead. Do you really want to
> > miss out on that beer?
> > :-)
>
>Yeah I sure fraggin do! especially when It involves
>the full contents of a longneck getting broken over
>yer' head ;)

I was thinking more in terms of drinking it acually :-o

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From:	loneeagle@********.co.uk (Lone Eagle)
Subject:	[OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one
Date:	Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:29:34 +0100

Message no. 14 At 05:51 AM 15/10/2002 -0700, Korishinzo wrote:
> > Er, Robert - I believe it's spelt "ocker". Let's not
> > confuse the poor Americans more than they already
> > are.
> >
> > ;)
>
>*immediately signs up for course in Advanced
>Confusion*
>
>Too late...darn you Aussies, darn you all to heck!!!
>
>*geat big crocadile tear* ;)
>
>Actually, I realized ong ago that Americans speak a
>completely different English than anyone else in the
>world, in our constant efforts to globilize with our
>eyes closed, our ears covered, and heads shoved...

And of course, an aversion to consonants :-)

More amusing is the way a number of Americans (I'm told) respond to
comments on occasion with comments like "Speak english boy!"

More annoying (although it actually goes back to older english) it the damn
spelling! especially when its set in a spellchecker which you can't work
out the dictionaries on!!! argghhh!
k:-o

>Anyway...
>
>As far as the disputed capability of a woman to place
>a kick on senstive targets...
>
>I think the original poster was joking. :)

Partly, I was also making an observation as to the tendency of untrained
women (or at least the ones I know) to kick straight legged when needled to
the point of violence but not actually homicidal enough to use the knee +
groin combination or anything like that. In the same way as they often slap
with their fingers straight but not forced together and tend to hurt
themselves more than the person they're hitting.
Plus commenting on it is a way of needling those same women...
:-)

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From:	korishinzo@*****.com (Ice Heart)
Subject:	[OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one
Date:	Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:58:30 -0700 (PDT)

Message no. 15 > And of course, an aversion to consonants :-)

Wy yu...! I on't cre fo wat yu ar sugestig mistr!!
Tae it bak!!! ;p

Actually, I have no aversion to consonants. I just
type atrociously when I am on the phone. :)

> More amusing is the way a number of Americans (I'm
> told) respond to
> comments on occasion with comments like "Speak
> english boy!"

Ahhhh, America and England, two countries seperated by
a common language. ;)

> More annoying (although it actually goes back to
> older english) it the damn
> spelling! especially when its set in a spellchecker
> which you can't work
> out the dictionaries on!!! argghhh!
> k:-o

Spell-checkers are the devil, and grammar-checkers are
his army of wickedness. Trust neither, lest ye be led
astray. :p

> >Anyway...
> >
> >As far as the disputed capability of a woman to
> place
> >a kick on senstive targets...
> >
> >I think the original poster was joking. :)
>
> Partly, I was also making an observation as to the
> tendency of untrained
> women (or at least the ones I know) to kick straight
> legged when needled to
> the point of violence but not actually homicidal
> enough to use the knee +
> groin combination or anything like that. In the same
> way as they often slap
> with their fingers straight but not forced together
> and tend to hurt
> themselves more than the person they're hitting.
> Plus commenting on it is a way of needling those
> same women...
> :-)

You like to live dangerously, don't you...? ;)

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From:	loneeagle@********.co.uk (Lone Eagle)
Subject:	[OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one
Date:	Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:16:12 +0100

Message no. 16 At 04:58 PM 15/10/2002 -0700, Korishinzo wrote:
> > And of course, an aversion to consonants :-)
>
>Wy yu...! I on't cre fo wat yu ar sugestig mistr!!
>Tae it bak!!! ;p
>
>Actually, I have no aversion to consonants. I just
>type atrociously when I am on the phone. :)

And most of the rest of the time as well ;-)

>Ahhhh, America and England, two countries seperated by
>a common language. ;)

And the Atlantic :-)

> > >Anyway...
> > >
> > >As far as the disputed capability of a woman to
> > place
> > >a kick on senstive targets...
> > >
> > >I think the original poster was joking. :)
> >
> > Partly, I was also making an observation as to the
> > tendency of untrained
> > women (or at least the ones I know) to kick straight
> > legged when needled to
> > the point of violence but not actually homicidal
> > enough to use the knee +
> > groin combination or anything like that. In the same
> > way as they often slap
> > with their fingers straight but not forced together
> > and tend to hurt
> > themselves more than the person they're hitting.
> > Plus commenting on it is a way of needling those
> > same women...
> > :-)
>
>You like to live dangerously, don't you...? ;)

Only way to be :-)
Note that I do say untrained, our other GM's missus used to do exactly
this... until he taught her to form a fist and the location of the solar
plexus. Worst mistake he ever made :-)

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From:	robertennew@*****.com.au (Robert Ennew)
Subject:	[OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one
Date:	Fri, 18 Oct 2002 19:47:35 +1000 (EST)

Message no. 17 --- Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com> wrote: >
<snipt!(TM)>
> > Girls have a ungodly, inhumanely accurate aim when
> It comes to rammin' there whole leg up into a guys
> "Goolies" (that's Occa for nuts/balls/testicles
> {Occa's Aussie slang for all those slack jaw's out
> there, haven't you seen or heard of Stevo Irwen the
> Croc Hunter}) their fragin' demons when It comes to
> this, the beast never misses It's prey when they go
> in
> for the kill.
> <snipt!(TM)>
>
> Er, Robert - I believe it's spelt "ocker". Let's not
> confuse the poor Americans more than they already
> are.
>
> ;)
>
> ====> Doc'
> (aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of
> Tomorrow, aka Doc'booner, aka Doc' Vader)
>
> .sig Sauer
>
> If you SMELL what the DOC' is COOKING!!!
>

Well as you can see right their, that's a pweeerfec'
example of a native "ocker" spelling bee, notice the
characteristic' of poor spelling, sometimes on purpose
& adding a "O" after anything e.g. "StevO", "RobO",
"trainO".

<disengage Steve Erwin "Ocker" dialect> (GZ)

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From:	docwagon101@*****.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject:	[OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one
Date:	Mon, 21 Oct 2002 04:53:43 +0100 (BST)

Message no. 18 <snipt!(TM)>
> Well as you can see right their, that's a pweeerfec'
example of a native "ocker" spelling bee, notice the
characteristic' of poor spelling, sometimes on purpose
& adding a "O" after anything e.g. "StevO", "RobO",
"trainO".
>
> <disengage Steve Erwin "Ocker" dialect> (GZ)

"OccaO"?

Now you're confusing me.

;)

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From:	robertennew@*****.com.au (Robert Ennew)
Subject:	[OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one
Date:	Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:50:09 +1000 (EST)

Message no. 19 --- Lone Eagle <loneeagle@********.co.uk> wrote: > At
01:41 PM 15/10/2002 +1000, GZ wrote:
> > --- Lone Eagle <loneeagle2061@*******.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Ah, but what about philosophy, I mean those
> people
> > > who have absorbed the
> > > philosophy will take your secrets and learn from
> > > them but if you ever fight
> > > them (outside tournament) you'll probably both
> stand
> > > there faced off for ten
> > > minutes and then decide to go and have a beer
> > > instead. Do you really want to
> > > miss out on that beer?
> > > :-)
> >
> >Yeah I sure fraggin do! especially when It involves
> >the full contents of a longneck getting broken over
> >yer' head ;)
>
> I was thinking more in terms of drinking it acually
> :-o

what does above emoticon mean (Is It shock/dismay?) so
I can fully understand context of reply.

BTW I think that In the circumstances that I have
described 60% of the time the latter happens, The
former,only 40% you then have a beer with 'em, at
least in some of the locals ("Pub" in "aussie" speak)
I've frequented anyway. (GZ)

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From:	loneeagle@********.co.uk (Lone Eagle)
Subject:	[OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one
Date:	Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:38:44 +0100

Message no. 20 At 06:50 PM 21/10/2002 +1000, GZ wrote:
> > >Yeah I sure fraggin do! especially when It involves
> > >the full contents of a longneck getting broken over
> > >yer' head ;)
> >
> > I was thinking more in terms of drinking it acually
> > :-o
>
>what does above emoticon mean (Is It shock/dismay?) so
>I can fully understand context of reply.

:-o basically suggests surprise (at the idea that anyone would waste beer
in such a criminal manner) although if you add a "k" (turning it into k:-o
) it suddenly becomes "Oh my God there's an axe in my head!"

>BTW I think that In the circumstances that I have
>described 60% of the time the latter happens, The
>former,only 40% you then have a beer with 'em, at
>least in some of the locals ("Pub" in "aussie" speak)
>I've frequented anyway. (GZ)

But most martial artists IMO fit into the 40% bracket, and that was the
original point...
On the other hand you may just be going to the wrong pubs ;-)

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