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Message no. 1
From: loneeagle2061@*******.com (Lone Eagle)
Subject: [OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one for the
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:13:18 +0000
>From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
>Sorry, what I meant was that I didn't think locks
>would be much help in the situation I described
>because while I don't doubt that you can (and have
>to!) perform them quickly, you're then tied up keeping
>the lock in effect, or the guy you just locked can
>start fighting back once you drop the lock. Or is that
>what you're saying - you can quickly perform a lock,
>then use the lock to disable the victim (or at least
>the limb you're locking) then release the lock and
>move on?

Take a simple wrist and elbow lock as an example, to help you envisage it
stick your arm out horizontal with the palm of your hand facing downwards.
Now let your wrist sag keeping your hand straightish so that your fingers
are pointing downwards and rotate your arm on its axis from your shoulder
until your fingers are pointing upwards, you'll find that unless you're
double jointed you're doubled over at the waist. Now imagine a hand pushing
lightly on the outside of your elbow and another holding your hand in
position. With you in that position pressure on your elbow will cause you to
run if the person applying the lock wants you to; sharp pressure at either
lock will dislocate the joint and put you out of the fight but more
important in a multiple opponent combat is the movement bit. By manipulating
the lock you can be "swung" around like a two pound rag doll, your mates
however when you hit them are going to feel a two hundred pound sack of
flour impact. You can be maneuvered to block attacks, as a ram or simply to
put you between your opponent and your mates. A skilled fighter rarely
fights more than one opponent at a time, he fights lots of single opponent's
in sequence, one after another but will tend to make each attacker get in
all of the other attacker's way.

For an appreciation of the wrist lock by the way (and be very careful doing
this, overdoing it can easily cause permenant tendon damage.)
Hold your forearm level in front of you with your palm pointing down, cock
your wrist so that your fingers are pointing at the ground. Using the heel
of your other hand slowly apply pressure to the first two knuckles in effect
trying to push the hand up the arm from the knuckles. Stop as soon as it
gets uncomfortable but don't let the pressure off for a moment, let the
pressure off slowly and imagine what that would do if it were quickly
snapped on with your strength and no pain resulting... ie what it would do
to your opponent when you snapped it onto him.

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Message no. 2
From: Gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: [OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one for the
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:36:24 +0200
According to Lone Eagle, on Thu, 10 Oct 2002 the word on the street was...

> Take a simple wrist and elbow lock as an example, to help you envisage it
> stick your arm out horizontal with the palm of your hand facing
> downwards. Now let your wrist sag keeping your hand straightish so that
> your fingers are pointing downwards and rotate your arm on its axis from
> your shoulder until your fingers are pointing upwards, you'll find that
> unless you're double jointed you're doubled over at the waist.

Not sure if I'm doing it right, but I can easily follow those instructions
without having to move my waist at all, whether I turn my arm clockwise or
counter-clockwise...

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Message no. 3
From: bjh10@***.edu.au (Ben Hayes)
Subject: [OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one for the
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:00:15 +1000
-------------------
> According to Lone Eagle, on Thu, 10 Oct 2002 the word on the street
was...
>
> > Take a simple wrist and elbow lock as an example, to help you
envisage it
> > stick your arm out horizontal with the palm of your hand facing
> > downwards. Now let your wrist sag keeping your hand straightish so
that
> > your fingers are pointing downwards and rotate your arm on its
axis from
> > your shoulder until your fingers are pointing upwards, you'll find
that
> > unless you're double jointed you're doubled over at the waist.
>
> Not sure if I'm doing it right, but I can easily follow those
instructions
> without having to move my waist at all, whether I turn my arm
clockwise or
> counter-clockwise...

Never done any formal training, but I've used this one lots of times,
and it does work much better that way.

Ben the Chunky Dwarf
TDoW
Message no. 4
From: dmhyde@***.net (Derek Hyde)
Subject: [OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one for the
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:55:46 -0500
> Just got one question - you said that Aikido is always
> the best style for women to learn. Why is that?

I'd agree with that based upon my minimal knowledge of the art simply
because it's not "action" based but "reaction" based, purely defensive
yet extremely potent
Message no. 5
From: korishinzo@*****.com (Ice Heart)
Subject: [OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one for the
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:19:59 -0700 (PDT)
--- Derek Hyde <dmhyde@***.net> wrote:
>
> > Just got one question - you said that Aikido is
> always
> > the best style for women to learn. Why is that?
>
> I'd agree with that based upon my minimal knowledge
> of the art simply
> because it's not "action" based but "reaction"
> based, purely defensive
> yet extremely potent

Think again peoples. :)

Women are good at any art they want to be, and
especially dangerous in an art favoring strong, low
kicks.

Some of the toughest martial artists I've met were
women who practiced such styles as mui tai kickboxing,
tai kwan do, wing chun, silat, and kenpo.

Yes, aikido is reaction based, and a relatively weak
aikidoka can utterly disable a much stronger opponent
using the style. However, watch closely the next time
you get a chance to see a woman sparring in a style
like tai kwan do or kickboxing. You have not realy
experienced the punishing power of an axe kick until
you have recieved one from a woman. A physiological
tendancy to smaller feet helps. Smaller striking
surfaces mean greater penetration and more efficient
transfer of kinetic energy. Ouch... :)

======Korishinzo
--*grinning evilly*

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Message no. 6
From: christian@********.org (Christian Casavant)
Subject: [OT] He's baaaack! And this time with one for the
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 20:02:32 +0100
Rand and Company,

My connection has been down all day and will be down for the rest of the
weekend. Apologies for not replying sooner....

My statement about Aikido being the best martial art for women was not
based on the fact that women are shorter, weaker, or slower. My
statement about Aikido being the best martial art for women is based
solely on notion that women are attacked differently than men. If a
woman is attacked by a man, the likelihood that the opening attack will
be a punch or kick is not as great as a grab of some kind. In every
case where I know a woman has been mugged or attacked, it's been from a
hold of some kind, and again more often than not, it's a 2 handed grab.

It is for that reason, and that reason ALONE that I always recommend
Aikido to women. Aikido excels at breaking grabs and using the initial
force back at the attacker.

If you'll remember from my original post, my favouring of Aikido for
women is the only time where I'll say that style is important.
Otherwise, style is meaningless and I've long since grown out of the
which style is best argument. I know which style is best for me, and
it's not Aikido. I downplayed physiology in my original post, I don't
think it's all that important. (Although strength and speed are always
beneficial, internal martial art or not...although in my opinion all
martial arts are both internal and external, it may just take a bit
longer to find out how.)

Happy martial arting,

Xian.





>Women are good at any art they want to be, and
>especially dangerous in an art favoring strong, low
>kicks.
>
>Some of the toughest martial artists I've met were
>women who practiced such styles as mui tai kickboxing,
>tai kwan do, wing chun, silat, and kenpo.
>
>Yes, aikido is reaction based, and a relatively weak
>aikidoka can utterly disable a much stronger opponent
>using the style. However, watch closely the next time
>you get a chance to see a woman sparring in a style
>like tai kwan do or kickboxing. You have not realy
>experienced the punishing power of an axe kick until
>you have recieved one from a woman. A physiological
>tendancy to smaller feet helps. Smaller striking
>surfaces mean greater penetration and more efficient
>transfer of kinetic energy. Ouch... :)
>
>====== >Korishinzo
>--*grinning evilly*
>
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