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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Thu Dec 20 06:05:28 2001
Go straight to the cinema. Do not pass "GO." Do pay the admission fee.

:)

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Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Steadfast)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Thu Dec 20 06:40:01 2001
And thus spoketh Gurth on the day December 20, 2001 a.d. regarding [OT]
Lord of the Rings :



>Go straight to the cinema. Do not pass "GO." Do pay the admission fee.
>
>:)

Amen!
Do it Now! Or better, yesterday
:)

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Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Jonathan)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Thu Dec 20 07:45:01 2001
Iremember the animated movie is it the full "movie" or does it stop before
the one ring is destroyed?

Always hated that about the animated version of the movie, it was never told
to completion :(
Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Steadfast)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Thu Dec 20 08:05:01 2001
And thus spoketh Jonathan on the day December 20, 2001 a.d. regarding [OT]
Lord of the Rings :

----- Original Message -----
From: <jhogan@**********.nf.net>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: Thursday, 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Lord of the Rings


> Iremember the animated movie is it the full "movie" or does it stop before
> the one ring is destroyed?
>
> Always hated that about the animated version of the movie, it was never
told
> to completion :(
>

It will be 3 movies, coming Chirstmass 2001/2002/2003.

Each movie is about one of the books written By Tolkien.

All Movies have been shot so far, so it will be broadcasted up until the
end.

The movie now in cinemas is based on the first book out of the original
three, and now enough of it, GO OUT AND NJOY !
:)

Daniel
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Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Chris Beilby)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Thu Dec 20 08:15:01 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan" <jhogan@**********.nf.net>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] Lord of the Rings


> Iremember the animated movie is it the full "movie" or does it stop before
> the one ring is destroyed?

The Ralph Bakshi travesty stops about halfway through The Two Towers.
Rankin and Bass did release a terrible animated version of Return of the
King. However, the new Peter Jackson versions will hopefully allow us to
forget both of those.
Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Jonathan)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Thu Dec 20 09:15:01 2001
> The Ralph Bakshi travesty stops about halfway through The Two Towers.
> Rankin and Bass did release a terrible animated version of Return of the
> King. However, the new Peter Jackson versions will hopefully allow us to
> forget both of those.
>

Bleh better off I go just buy the book :)
Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Chris Beilby)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Thu Dec 20 09:20:01 2001
> Bleh better off I go just buy the book :)
>
>
Oh, absolutely buy the book. But the new movie is GOOD!
Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gak The Great)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Thu Dec 20 11:45:02 2001
Sometime, somwhere down the timeline, Chris Beilby whispered:
>
> > Bleh better off I go just buy the book :)
> >
> >
> Oh, absolutely buy the book. But the new movie is GOOD!
>
>

A life without Tolkien? A very dull life! :)

Glad to hear its good. How is Arwen as *yeech, gulp, fear* fighter?

-- GAK THE GREAT

"Ein Ring, sie zu knechten, sie alle zu finden,
Ins Dunkel zu treiben und ewig zu binden,
Im Lande Mordor, wo die Schatten drohn."
Sauron aus "Herr der Ringe von J.R.R. Tolkien
Message no. 9
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Thu Dec 20 13:30:02 2001
According to Gak The Great, on Thu, 20 Dec 2001 the word on the street was...

> Glad to hear its good. How is Arwen as *yeech, gulp, fear* fighter?

Basically, she does the stuff Glorfindel does in the book, and after that
little surprise I can't say it distracted at all. Perhaps it's a sign of the
times, after all in these days of Buffy, Xena and Witchblade TV shows you
can't really have a woman like Arwen-as-in-the-novel in a movie anymore, I
think.

The thing you should know about the movie is that it follows the main lines
of the book, but changes many of the details and leaves out a lot of the
"travel" chapters -- in the book, the party is in location A, then there's a
chapter showing how they get to location B, and then they do stuff in
location B, while in the movie they just go from A to B without anything in
between. Perhaps slightly annoying if you know/like the book, but if all of
it had to be put into the movie, that would have to be about twice as long
-- that is, six hours...

Still, IMHO it's worth the price of admission just for the battle scenes at
the beginning, the way cool camera moves in places like Barad-Dur and
Isengard, and the views of Moria...

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Message no. 10
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Chris Beilby)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Thu Dec 20 13:40:01 2001
> A life without Tolkien? A very dull life! :)
>

Agreed.

> Glad to hear its good. How is Arwen as *yeech, gulp, fear* fighter?

Well, actually, she doesn't even fight. It's more a case of her being given
Glorflindel's role in the encounter at the Ford of Bruinen. The Nazgul
themselves were defeated as per the book (in a SFX sequence that looked just
like Tolkien described the encounter. Spectacular)
Message no. 11
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Griff M. Warren II)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Thu Dec 20 16:10:00 2001
> > Glad to hear its good. How is Arwen as *yeech, gulp, fear* fighter?
>
> Well, actually, she doesn't even fight. It's more a case of her being given
> Glorflindel's role in the encounter at the Ford of Bruinen. The Nazgul
> themselves were defeated as per the book (in a SFX sequence that looked just
> like Tolkien described the encounter. Spectacular)

Also it's Arwen raising the river and not Gandalf and Elrond as in the book. I
don't want to nit-pick this movie, though, There's no way it could be exactly
like the books and it does a very good job staying as close as it can. The
Balrog looked sweet, too. It didn't feel at all like a three hour movie.

Griff Warren
Message no. 12
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Thu Dec 20 16:50:01 2001
In a message dated 12/20/2001 8:00:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jhogan@**********.nf.net writes:

<< Iremember the animated movie is it the full "movie" or does it stop
before
the one ring is destroyed?

Always hated that about the animated version of the movie, it was never told
to completion :( >>

This is the Fellowship of the Ring, the Two Towers will be released this time
next year and finally Return of the King after that...at which point, yes
they'll tell the end. Also on a side note, there was a Return of the King
animated movie that was released by Rankin/Bass that finished the tale of
Lord of the Rings though it left a gap between the end of LotR and RotK...
Message no. 13
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Thu Dec 20 16:55:01 2001
In a message dated 12/20/2001 11:49:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,
andypfister@***.net writes:

<< A life without Tolkien? A very dull life! :)

Glad to hear its good. How is Arwen as *yeech, gulp, fear* fighter? >>

::laughs:: Worry not oh faithful follower of Tolkien. Her role is a lot more
minimal than the press has made it out to be. The movies stay fairly faithful
to the books in as much as they could, with a few jaunts of creative license
but for the most part it's all forgivable...
Message no. 14
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Thu Dec 20 19:55:05 2001
On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:57:00 EST KiltedJamesman@***.com writes:
<SNIP>
> The movies stay fairly
> faithful
> to the books in as much as they could, with a few jaunts of creative
> license
> but for the most part it's all forgivable...

Except fot the deletion of Tom Bomdadil and Goodberry ... Grrr...
*Fetches hunting rifle*

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Message no. 15
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Chris Beilby)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Thu Dec 20 20:40:01 2001
> Except fot the deletion of Tom Bomdadil and Goodberry ... Grrr...
> *Fetches hunting rifle*

Which is incidental to the plot (unless you're a true Tolkien scholar and
know the truth about Tom Bombadil's position in the Tolkien universe,) and
would have added 45 minutes to an hour to the film. A film significantly
longer than 3 hours is poison in the industry...
Message no. 16
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Thu Dec 20 20:45:01 2001
In a message dated 12/20/2001 8:44:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cbeilby@******.net writes:

<< > Except fot the deletion of Tom Bomdadil and Goodberry ... Grrr...
> *Fetches hunting rifle*

Which is incidental to the plot (unless you're a true Tolkien scholar and
know the truth about Tom Bombadil's position in the Tolkien universe,) and
would have added 45 minutes to an hour to the film. A film significantly
longer than 3 hours is poison in the industry... >>

Hear, hear. While I would have liked to see Tom Bombadil and a number of
other things that got cut for the sake of shortening it even to still being 3
hours just about the movie moved along fine without it.
Message no. 17
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Fri Dec 21 00:10:01 2001
On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 20:40:52 -0500 "Chris Beilby" <cbeilby@******.net>
writes:
> > Except fot the deletion of Tom Bomdadil and Goodberry ... Grrr...
> > *Fetches hunting rifle*

> Which is incidental to the plot (unless you're a true Tolkien
> scholar and
> know the truth about Tom Bombadil's position in the Tolkien
> universe,) and
> would have added 45 minutes to an hour to the film. A film
> significantly
> longer than 3 hours is poison in the industry...

How much material was added? A few new scenes at the house of Elrond
seemed like half an hour or more. Now, I can't guarantee they didn't
serve a purpose, but it accentuated the omissions.

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Message no. 18
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Fri Dec 21 01:55:05 2001
--- Chris Beilby <cbeilby@******.net> wrote: >
> > Except fot the deletion of Tom Bomdadil and
Goodberry ... Grrr... *Fetches hunting rifle*
>
> Which is incidental to the plot (unless you're a
true Tolkien scholar and know the truth about Tom
Bombadil's position in the Tolkien universe,) and
would have added 45 minutes to an hour to the film. A
film significantly longer than 3 hours is poison in
the industry...

Hey, stop that hinting! What's this about Tom
Bombadil's position in the Tolkien universe??

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Message no. 19
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Deidre M Van Hise)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Fri Dec 21 09:45:01 2001
>
> > Glad to hear its good. How is Arwen as *yeech, gulp, fear*
> fighter?
>
> Well, actually, she doesn't even fight. It's more a case of her
> being given
> Glorflindel's role in the encounter at the Ford of Bruinen. The
> Nazgul
> themselves were defeated as per the book (in a SFX sequence that
> looked just
> like Tolkien described the encounter. Spectacular)
>
Actually it's more like, "how is Arwen as a Blood Mage?" I'm pretty sure
I saw Arwen slash her cheek open with a dagger. Shortly afterwards
she spells her horse into greater speed and raises the river against
the Nazgul.
I was most impressed by the movie, by far one of the best fantasy
films I have seen. If only I wasn't in Puerto Rico, where everything
was subtitled in Spanish, and I only got a vague clue as to what the
elves were saying, as the conversations were clearly beyond my
limited spanish of "Dos cervesas, por favor."
I was exceptionally pleased to see that in the scenes where
everyone is bogged down and slogging miserably through heavy
snow, Legolas is easly traversing atop the drifts. I like that sort
of attention to minor detail. Shows that the moviemakers know
what they are doing (unlike the DnD movie where gold dragons
suddenly became these mute, animalistic beasts.)

Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and
good with ketchup.

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Message no. 20
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Chris Beilby)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Fri Dec 21 09:50:01 2001
> Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and
> good with ketchup.

And that, Chummers, is why you never deal with a dragon. :)
Message no. 21
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Jonathan)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Fri Dec 21 10:10:01 2001
. Shows that the moviemakers know
> what they are doing (unlike the DnD movie where gold dragons
> suddenly became these mute, animalistic beasts.)
>

Bah mock not the DnD movie. After watching the commentary from the one who
had to fight with TSR to make it it's understndable that not everything held
true to the game...

Besides seeing a beholder floating around just rocks! :)
Message no. 22
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Steadfast)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Fri Dec 21 12:40:01 2001
Nah, arwen slashed her cheek during the chase through the woods.
Trust me, I wanted to know either :)
regards
Daniel

>
> >
> > > Glad to hear its good. How is Arwen as *yeech, gulp, fear*
> > fighter?
> >
> > Well, actually, she doesn't even fight. It's more a case of her
> > being given
> > Glorflindel's role in the encounter at the Ford of Bruinen. The
> > Nazgul
> > themselves were defeated as per the book (in a SFX sequence that
> > looked just
> > like Tolkien described the encounter. Spectacular)
> >
> Actually it's more like, "how is Arwen as a Blood Mage?" I'm pretty sure
> I saw Arwen slash her cheek open with a dagger. Shortly afterwards
> she spells her horse into greater speed and raises the river against
> the Nazgul.
> I was most impressed by the movie, by far one of the best fantasy
> films I have seen. If only I wasn't in Puerto Rico, where everything
> was subtitled in Spanish, and I only got a vague clue as to what the
> elves were saying, as the conversations were clearly beyond my
> limited spanish of "Dos cervesas, por favor."
> I was exceptionally pleased to see that in the scenes where
> everyone is bogged down and slogging miserably through heavy
> snow, Legolas is easly traversing atop the drifts. I like that sort
> of attention to minor detail. Shows that the moviemakers know
> what they are doing (unlike the DnD movie where gold dragons
> suddenly became these mute, animalistic beasts.)
>
> Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and
> good with ketchup.
>
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Message no. 23
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Fri Dec 21 13:00:01 2001
> Actually it's more like, "how is Arwen as a Blood Mage?" I'm
> pretty sure I saw Arwen slash her cheek open with a dagger.

Nope, actually, she cuts her cheek on a branch while whipping through the trees.
Message no. 24
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Philip Allchin)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Fri Dec 21 17:10:01 2001
From: "Deidre M Van Hise" <kanashimi1@****.com>

> Actually it's more like, "how is Arwen as a Blood Mage?" I'm pretty sure
> I saw Arwen slash her cheek open with a dagger. Shortly afterwards
> she spells her horse into greater speed and raises the river against
> the Nazgul.

It looked like a tree limb hit her cheek as she was riding, and I don't
think it was a spell she cast on the horse so much as urging it to ride
faster. (Seen it twice now and still haven't picked out exactly what she was
saying).
Message no. 25
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Jane VR)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Fri Dec 21 21:40:05 2001
>From: "Chris Beilby" <cbeilby@******.net>

> > Except fot the deletion of Tom Bomdadil and Goodberry ... Grrr...
> > *Fetches hunting rifle*
>
>Which is incidental to the plot (unless you're a true Tolkien scholar and
>know the truth about Tom Bombadil's position in the Tolkien universe,) and
>would have added 45 minutes to an hour to the film. A film significantly
>longer than 3 hours is poison in the industry...

i would have liked to hear his songs though.

jane
>
>
>




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Message no. 26
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Sat Dec 22 07:15:15 2001
According to Jane VR, on Sat, 22 Dec 2001 the word on the street was...

> >Which is incidental to the plot (unless you're a true Tolkien scholar
> > and know the truth about Tom Bombadil's position in the Tolkien
> > universe,) and would have added 45 minutes to an hour to the film. A
> > film significantly longer than 3 hours is poison in the industry...
>
> i would have liked to hear his songs though.

Maybe you wouldn't after you'd have heard the movie rendition of them ;)

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Message no. 27
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Bira)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Sun Dec 23 09:05:01 2001
On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:16:41 -0330
"Jonathan" <jhogan@**********.nf.net> wrote:

> Iremember the animated movie is it the full "movie" or does it stop before
> the one ring is destroyed?

It covers only the first part of the book ("The Fellowship of
the Ring"). There are going to be two other movies covering the other
two parts.

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Message no. 28
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Deidre M Van Hise)
Subject: [OT] Lord of the Rings
Date: Sun Dec 23 10:20:01 2001
> It looked like a tree limb hit her cheek as she was riding, and I
> don't
> think it was a spell she cast on the horse so much as urging it to
> ride
> faster. (Seen it twice now and still haven't picked out exactly what
> she was
> saying).
>
>
Oh... well I've only seen it once, and it was a brief shot. Still,
uttlerly
incredible job by the kiwis... Let's go hunt some orcs. Ya know,
that's going to get Aragorn into such trouble with O.R.C. And
Humanis hates him for his cross species love affair. How's
he going to rule the world if he doesn't pander to the policlubs?
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