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Message no. 1
From: NightLife habenir@*****.uc.edu
Subject: OT: Never Deal With a Dragon
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:18:20 -0400
A friend of mine sent me this so enjoy for what it's worth.

Never Deal with a Dragon.
If I could offer you only one tip for the future, avoiding Dragons would be
it. The long term dangers of associating with Dragons have been proved by
scientists whereas the rest of my advice has no basis more reliable than my
own meandering experience...I will dispense this advice now.

Enjoy the power and beauty of your tres chic clothing; oh nevermind; you
will not understand the power and beauty of your clothes until they have
faded. But trust me, in 20 years you'll look back at wanted posters of
yourself and recall in a way you can't grasp now how much possibility lay
before you and how fabulous you really looked.

You're not as fast as you imagine.

Don't worry about the Awakened World; or worry, but know that worrying is
as effective as trying to summon a spirit by chewing bubblegum. The real
troubles in your life are apt to be things that never crossed your worried
mind; the kind that are 2 metres tall and want to blind you on a Tuesday at
4am.

Do one thing everyday that scares the neighbours.

Shoot straight.

Don't be reckless with other people's heavy machine guns, don't put up with
people who are reckless with yours.

Conserve Ammo.

Keep up with SOTA; sometimes you're ahead, sometimes you're behind; the
race is long, and in the end, it's what keeps you alive.

Remember the secret pay data you retreive, forget the loused up runs; if
you succeed in doing this, tell me how. Keep your old cyberdecks, throw
away your old credsticks.

Stay Low.

Don't feel safe if you don't know what you want to do with that hot
merchandise, the most wanted people I know didn't know at 22 what they
wanted to do with their illegal wares, some of the most dangerous 40 year
olds I know still don't.

Get plenty of soykaf.

Be kind to your knees, they're expensive to replace.

Maybe you'll goblinize, maybe you won't, maybe you'll have HMHVV, maybe you
won't, maybe you'll retire after 40 runs, maybe you'll dance the funky
chicken on your 75th ;what ever you do, don't congratulate yourself too
much or berate yourself either. Your survival is half chance, so is everybody
else's.

Enjoy your Ares Predator, use it every way you can; don't be afraid of it,
or what other people think of it, it's the greatest instrument you'll ever
own..

Deck, even if you have nowhere to do it but in your own living room.

RTFM, even if you don't understand it.

Do NOT read Slashnull, it will only make you feel ugly.

Get to know your parents, you never know when you'll need some extra cash
from them.

Be afraid of your criminal record; it's the best link to your past and the
thing most likely to stick with you in the future.

Understand that Johnsons come and go, but for the precious few you should
hold on. Work hard to bridge the gaps in geography in lifestyle because the
older you get, the more you need the money.

Live in Seattle once, but leave before it makes you hard; live in Chicago
once, but leave before you turn into a bug.

Travel.

Accept certain inalienable truths, the weirdness will increase, runners
will sell out, you too will get old, and when you do you'll fantasize that
when you were young the streets were normal, runners were noble and elves
were trustworthy.

Never trust an elf.

Don't expect anyone else to support you. Maybe you have a stolen bank
account, maybe you have a wealthy Johnson; but you never know when either
one might be eaten by insect spirits.Don't mess too much with your wired
reflexes, or by the time they're 40, they will be out of warranty. Be
careful whose BTL's you buy, but, be patient with those who supply it.

Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past
from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and
recycling it for more than it's worth.

But trust me on the Dragons.
Message no. 2
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*********.html.com
Subject: OT: Never Deal With a Dragon
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:34:35 +1000
*ROFL*

Ow... it only hurts me when I laugh. :-)

(I vote for this to go in the FAQ, after Shadowmaniacs. It's just too good
to waste. :-)

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 3
From: Hunter griffinhq@****.com
Subject: OT: Never Deal With a Dragon
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:52:43 -0400
>A friend of mine sent me this so enjoy for what it's worth.
>
*cough cough* You're welcome. *cough cough*
:)

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Message no. 4
From: gordmeister@*********.org gordmeister@*********.org
Subject: OT: Never Deal With a Dragon
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:19:03 +0100
Hmm, I posted this yesterday under the heading class of '57, did it not go
through? Oh well, at least the internet is very fast at spreading the stuff :)


BTW, feel free to ignore the part that says don't read slashnull. Read
slashnull, it could be funky, oh and post there too...

http://slashnull.org

[End gratuitous advert]

> A friend of mine sent me this so enjoy for what it's worth.
>
> Never Deal with a Dragon.

Oh, and feel free to put it in the FAQ :) :) :)

gordmeister
Message no. 5
From: Dvixen dvixen@****.com
Subject: OT: Never Deal With a Dragon
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:02:15 -0700
At 04:34 PM 16/06/99 , Lady Jestyr annoyed me by writing:
>
>*ROFL*
>
>Ow... it only hurts me when I laugh. :-)
>
>(I vote for this to go in the FAQ, after Shadowmaniacs. It's just too good
>to waste. :-)

Seconded. :)

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Message no. 6
From: runnerpaul@*****.com runnerpaul@*****.com
Subject: OT: Never Deal With a Dragon
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:23:26 -0400 (EDT)
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At 04:34 PM 6/16/99 +1000, Lady Jestyr wrote:
<<snip reaction to the Shadowrun Commencement Address>>
>(I vote for this to go in the FAQ, after Shadowmaniacs. It's just too

>good
>to waste. :-)

You might want to mention some history behind it. The original version
(the one about sunscreen), was written by a Chicago newspaper
columnist. Sometime after the newspaper published her article, someone
sent it out by email, listing it as the commencement address that Kurt
Vonnegut gave at MIT (even though, at the time, Mr. Vonnegut had never
given a commencement address at MIT).

In the tradition of such emails as the "'Good Times' Virus Warning",
"Send Craig Shergold a Postcard", and the "Neiman-Marcus Cookie
Recipe", the "Vonnegut" Commencement Address was mass forwarded
through the net like wildfire. Since then, it has been debunked by the
various websites that catalog urban legends and net.myths, it has been
set to music and become a top-40 radio hit, and Kurt Vonnegut actually
has given a commencement address at MIT (though he wrote it all
himself).

It would seem that the Shadowrun version is living up to the
reputation of its inspiration. Even though the original author posted
it to the list just a few days ago, people already seem to be
forwarding it around, including right back to the list. :)

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Message no. 7
From: gordmeister@*********.org gordmeister@*********.org
Subject: OT: Never Deal With a Dragon
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:46:30 +0100
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>
> At 04:34 PM 6/16/99 +1000, Lady Jestyr wrote:
> <<snip reaction to the Shadowrun Commencement Address>>
> >(I vote for this to go in the FAQ, after Shadowmaniacs. It's just too
>
> >good
> >to waste. :-)
>
> You might want to mention some history behind it. The original version
> (the one about sunscreen), was written by a Chicago newspaper
> columnist. Sometime after the newspaper published her article, someone
> sent it out by email, listing it as the commencement address that Kurt
> Vonnegut gave at MIT (even though, at the time, Mr. Vonnegut had never
> given a commencement address at MIT).
>
> In the tradition of such emails as the "'Good Times' Virus Warning",
> "Send Craig Shergold a Postcard", and the "Neiman-Marcus Cookie
> Recipe", the "Vonnegut" Commencement Address was mass forwarded
> through the net like wildfire. Since then, it has been debunked by the
> various websites that catalog urban legends and net.myths, it has been
> set to music and become a top-40 radio hit, and Kurt Vonnegut actually
> has given a commencement address at MIT (though he wrote it all
> himself).

I first heard it on the radio, it's been played to death on all the Dublin
radio stations [though I still love the song :) ] it's all over the web, just
do a search for sunscreen and you can find the lyrics...

> It would seem that the Shadowrun version is living up to the
> reputation of its inspiration. Even though the original author posted
> it to the list just a few days ago, people already seem to be
> forwarding it around, including right back to the list. :)


I noticed...as long as people who like it maybe take a look at slashnull.org I
don't mind :) :)

Since writing it I've been posted other spoofs of the song, including Drink
Alcohol and Wear Kevlar...there's a few of these around...


gordmeister:SysOp slashnull.org
Message no. 8
From: gordmeister@*********.org gordmeister@*********.org
Subject: OT: Never Deal With a Dragon
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:48:57 +0100
> At 04:34 PM 16/06/99 , Lady Jestyr annoyed me by writing:
> >
> >*ROFL*
> >
> >Ow... it only hurts me when I laugh. :-)
> >
> >(I vote for this to go in the FAQ, after Shadowmaniacs. It's just too good
> >to waste. :-)
>
> Seconded. :)

If you're putting it in a FAQ you could just include the url

http://slashnull.org/article.php3?articlenum=3

:)

gordmeister

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Message no. 9
From: Adam J adamj@*********.html.com
Subject: OT: Never Deal With a Dragon
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:54:13 -0600
At 17:46 6/16/99 +0100, gordmeister@*********.org wrote:

>I first heard it on the radio, it's been played to death on all the Dublin
>radio stations [though I still love the song :) ] it's all over the web, just
>do a search for sunscreen and you can find the lyrics...

There's also a Yoda parody..

"Fat as Jabba the Hut, you are not!"

Pretty funny. I highly urge you to dig up the MP3 of it. :-)

(And I have no clue who did it, or where to get it.. websearch time. ;) )

Adam

< http://shadowrun.html.com/tss / adamj@*********.html.com / ICQ# 2350330 >
Message no. 10
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: OT: Never Deal With a Dragon
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:34:17 +0200
According to runnerpaul@*****.com, at 12:23 on 16 Jun 99, the word on
the street was...

> You might want to mention some history behind it. The original version
> (the one about sunscreen), was written by a Chicago newspaper
> columnist. Sometime after the newspaper published her article, someone
> sent it out by email, listing it as the commencement address that Kurt
> Vonnegut gave at MIT (even though, at the time, Mr. Vonnegut had never
> given a commencement address at MIT).

Somebody made a song out of it, too. Buzz somethingorother, I think; what
the radio and TV stations here don't tell you, of course, is (from what
I've seen on the list now) that it's actually a newspaper article.

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Message no. 11
From: runnerpaul@*****.com runnerpaul@*****.com
Subject: OT: Never Deal With a Dragon
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:08:23 -0400 (EDT)
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At 07:34 PM 6/16/99 +0200, Gurth wrote:
<<Snip explanaton about the sunscreen commencement address>>
>Somebody made a song out of it, too. Buzz somethingorother, I think;

Baz Luhrmann (who also directed 1996's Romeo & Juliet, starring L.
DiCaprio and C. Danes) was the one who put it to music.

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Message no. 12
From: David Yiannakos yiannako@***.cc.geneseo.edu
Subject: OT: Never Deal With a Dragon
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:13:13 -0400
|> Somebody made a song out of it, too. Buzz somethingorother, I think; what
| >the radio and TV stations here don't tell you, of course, is (from what
| >I've seen on the list now) that it's actually a newspaper article.
|
That's Baz Luhermann (sp?). He produced the song, provided the music and got
a voice actor (I used to know the name but forgot) to do the lyrics.
Incidentally Luhermann is the same guy that made the Romeo+Juliet movie
three or four years ago starring John Leguizamo (sp again?) and Claire
Daines.

Dropping back into Lurker status....

Dave ('s not here man)

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Maugham
Message no. 13
From: Starrngr@***.com Starrngr@***.com
Subject: OT: Never Deal With a Dragon
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:55:10 EDT
In a message dated 6/16/99 9:04:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dvixen@****.com
writes:

> >(I vote for this to go in the FAQ, after Shadowmaniacs. It's just too good
> >to waste. :-)
>
> Seconded. :)

I vote Aye.
Message no. 14
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*********.html.com
Subject: OT: Never Deal With a Dragon
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:24:20 +1000
><<Snip explanaton about the sunscreen commencement address>>
>>Somebody made a song out of it, too. Buzz somethingorother, I think;
>
>Baz Luhrmann (who also directed 1996's Romeo & Juliet, starring L.
>DiCaprio and C. Danes) was the one who put it to music.

There's also an Australian spoof of it called 'Not the Sunscreen Song', by
a guy called John Safran. Very funny. :-) (The video clip is better.)

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 15
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*********.html.com
Subject: OT: Never Deal With a Dragon
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:28:39 +1000
>|> Somebody made a song out of it, too. Buzz somethingorother, I think; what
>| >the radio and TV stations here don't tell you, of course, is (from what
>| >I've seen on the list now) that it's actually a newspaper article.
>|
>That's Baz Luhermann (sp?). He produced the song, provided the music and got
>a voice actor (I used to know the name but forgot) to do the lyrics.
>Incidentally Luhermann is the same guy that made the Romeo+Juliet movie
>three or four years ago starring John Leguizamo (sp again?) and Claire
>Daines.

John Leguiziamo? *rofl* Hordes of slavering teenyboppers would lynch you
for that. (It was Leonardo diCaprio. The difference between Leonardo and
John is that *one* of them is a reasonably talented actor who *doesn't*
deserve to be torn limb from limb. See if you can guess which one. :-)

Luhrmann also made 'Strictly Ballroom', for those who remember it. :-)

Lady Jestyr

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Love like you've never been hurt. | nothing, but at the cellular
Dance like nobody's watching. | level I'm really quite busy.

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Message no. 16
From: David Yiannakos yiannako@***.cc.geneseo.edu
Subject: OT: Never Deal With a Dragon
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:53:15 -0400
| John Leguiziamo? *rofl* Hordes of slavering teenyboppers would lynch you
| for that. (It was Leonardo diCaprio. The difference between Leonardo and
| John is that *one* of them is a reasonably talented actor who *doesn't*
| deserve to be torn limb from limb. See if you can guess which one. :-)
|
| Luhrmann also made 'Strictly Ballroom', for those who remember it. :-)
|
| Lady Jestyr
|

Damn it. Drawn out of lurk mode again... :-D

Leonardo was pointedly omitted from that list for all the obvious reasons.
John Leguizamo was substituted because he really made that movie worth
watching (as did most of the supporting characters, but I don't know their
names.) so as far as I'm concerned, John starred, and Leo....well.....was in
it also.

Dave ('s not here man)

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Message no. 17
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*********.html.com
Subject: OT: Never Deal With a Dragon
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:56:35 +1000
>| John Leguiziamo? *rofl* Hordes of slavering teenyboppers would lynch you
>| for that. (It was Leonardo diCaprio. The difference between Leonardo and
>| John is that *one* of them is a reasonably talented actor who *doesn't*
>| deserve to be torn limb from limb. See if you can guess which one. :-)
>|
>| Luhrmann also made 'Strictly Ballroom', for those who remember it. :-)
>
>Damn it. Drawn out of lurk mode again... :-D
>
>Leonardo was pointedly omitted from that list for all the obvious reasons.
>John Leguizamo was substituted because he really made that movie worth
>watching (as did most of the supporting characters, but I don't know their
>names.) so as far as I'm concerned, John starred, and Leo....well.....was in
>it also.

Oh. Alright. You're forgiven, then. :-)

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 18
From: Dvixen dvixen@****.com
Subject: OT: Never Deal With a Dragon
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:44:11 -0700
Would the write of this please contact me offlist?


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Message no. 19
From: Razors Edge. razrzedge@*****.com
Subject: OT: Never Deal With a Dragon
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:09:54 -0700 (PDT)
> >Incidentally Luhermann is the same guy that made
> the Romeo+Juliet movie
> >three or four years ago starring John Leguizamo (sp
> again?) and Claire
> >Daines.
>
> John Leguiziamo? *rofl* Hordes of slavering
> teenyboppers would lynch you
> for that. (It was Leonardo diCaprio. The difference
> between Leonardo and
> John is that *one* of them is a reasonably talented
> actor who *doesn't*
> deserve to be torn limb from limb. See if you can
> guess which one. :-)
>
He was in the movie. He was the prince of cats. The
antagonist that romeo kills and flees fair verona for.


Appologies please. ;-)

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Message no. 20
From: Marc Renouf renouf@********.com
Subject: OT: Never Deal With a Dragon
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:00:29 -0400 (EDT)
On Thu, 17 Jun 1999, Lady Jestyr wrote:

> John Leguiziamo? *rofl* Hordes of slavering teenyboppers would lynch you
> for that. (It was Leonardo diCaprio. The difference between Leonardo and
> John is that *one* of them is a reasonably talented actor who *doesn't*
> deserve to be torn limb from limb. See if you can guess which one. :-)

John Leguizamo was Tybalt. The original poster probably felt that
he (rightly) deserved more mention than Leonardo DiCrapio.

> Luhrmann also made 'Strictly Ballroom', for those who remember it. :-)

That movie kicked ass. It's probably my wife's favorite movie.

Marc
Message no. 21
From: Kelson kelson13@*******.com
Subject: OT: Never Deal With a Dragon
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:26:49 -0700
>On Thu, 17 Jun 1999, Lady Jestyr wrote:

>> John Leguiziamo? *rofl* Hordes of slavering teenyboppers would lynch you
>> for that. (It was Leonardo diCaprio. The difference between Leonardo and
>> John is that *one* of them is a reasonably talented actor who *doesn't*
>> deserve to be torn limb from limb. See if you can guess which one. :-)

John Leguizamo is quite talented. Anyone who can successfully pull off being a marine and
a drag queen is definitely talented!

Justin


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