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Message no. 1
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: OT: Officially...
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 23:59:04 -0500
...by my watch, I am now 21 years old. Just thought y'all should
know.

***************
Rev. Mark Hall, Bard to the Lady Mari
aka Pope Nexx Many-Scars
*
The place to improve the world is in one's own heart and head and
hands, and then work outward from there. Other people talk about how
to expand the destiny of mankind. I just want to talk about how to
fix a motorcycle. I think that what I have to say has more lasting
value.
-Robert Pirsig, "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance"
Message no. 2
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 00:15:17 -0500
>...by my watch, I am now 21 years old. Just thought y'all should
>know.

Happy Birthday, Mark. Welcome to legal drinking age...just give someone
else the keys, okay?

Patrick
Message no. 3
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:18:10 +1000
Patrick Goodman writes:
> Nexx writes:
> >...by my watch, I am now 21 years old. Just thought y'all should
> >know.
>
> Happy Birthday, Mark. Welcome to legal drinking age...just give someone
> else the keys, okay?

He doesn't have a car, Patrick... :)

Happy birthday, Nexx. (And isn't legal drinking age 18 in the States, just
like here?)

--
Duct tape is like the Force: There's a Light side, a Dark side, and it
binds the Universe together.
Robert Watkins -- robert.watkins@******.com
Message no. 4
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 00:23:49 -0500
>> >...by my watch, I am now 21 years old. Just thought y'all should
>> >know.
>>
>> Happy Birthday, Mark. Welcome to legal drinking age...just give someone
>> else the keys, okay?
>
>He doesn't have a car, Patrick... :)

Yet. A car always seems to turn up at around this time, somehow...and a lot
of people just over 21 overdo it. I've seen it way too much, and don't wish
to lose any more friends to inexperience or stupidity.

>Happy birthday, Nexx. (And isn't legal drinking age 18 in the States, just
>like here?)

Nope. It used to be, but it went up about a decade ago. Is now 21 in all
50 States.
Message no. 5
From: "Ratinac, Rand (NSW)" <RRatinac@*****.REDCROSS.ORG.AU>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:19:31 +1000
> >...by my watch, I am now 21 years old. Just thought y'all should
> >know.
>
> Happy Birthday, Mark. Welcome to legal drinking age...just give
> someone
> else the keys, okay?
>
> Patrick
>
That's what I don't get about you Yanks (even though I am one,
technically). They let you start driving before they let you start
drinking. Seems to me that's just a bit backwards. I'd rather run into a
drunk pedestrian than a young driver. :)

Doc'
Message no. 6
From: Michael Broadwater <neon@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 00:32:27 -0500
At 03:19 PM 9/14/98 +1000, Ratinac, Rand (NSW) wrote:

>That's what I don't get about you Yanks

Watch who you're callin' a Yank. <g>


Mike Broadwater
Member of the Blackhand, White Wolf's Official Demo Team
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon/
Message no. 7
From: Michael Coleman <mscoleman@********.NET>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 00:35:25 -0500
> > >...by my watch, I am now 21 years old. Just thought y'all should
> > >know.
> >
> > Happy Birthday, Mark. Welcome to legal drinking age...just give
> > someone
> > else the keys, okay?
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> That's what I don't get about you Yanks (even though I am one,
> technically). They let you start driving before they let you start
> drinking. Seems to me that's just a bit backwards. I'd rather run into a
> drunk pedestrian than a young driver. :)
>
> Doc'
>
They also let you join the armed force before you can drink. So you can
kill or be killed before you can have a beer. Even though I understand they
let soldiers drink on base at eighteen overseas.

Mike
Message no. 8
From: "Ratinac, Rand (NSW)" <RRatinac@*****.REDCROSS.ORG.AU>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:33:48 +1000
> At 03:19 PM 9/14/98 +1000, Ratinac, Rand (NSW) wrote:
>
> >That's what I don't get about you Yanks
>
> Watch who you're callin' a Yank. <g>
>
>
> Mike Broadwater
> Member of the Blackhand, White Wolf's Official Demo Team
> http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon/
>
You can kiss my hairy, semi-Aussie butt.

8-)

Doc'
Message no. 9
From: "Ratinac, Rand (NSW)" <RRatinac@*****.REDCROSS.ORG.AU>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:34:50 +1000
> > That's what I don't get about you Yanks (even though I am one,
> > technically). They let you start driving before they let you start
> > drinking. Seems to me that's just a bit backwards. I'd rather run
> into a
> > drunk pedestrian than a young driver. :)
> >
> > Doc'
> >
> They also let you join the armed force before you can drink. So you
> can
> kill or be killed before you can have a beer. Even though I
> understand they
> let soldiers drink on base at eighteen overseas.
>
> Mike
>
Now that's an easy one. It's because you have to be drunk to stay in the
army.

Doc'
Message no. 10
From: Michael Broadwater <neon@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 00:26:11 -0500
At 11:59 PM 9/13/98 -0500, you wrote:
>...by my watch, I am now 21 years old. Just thought y'all should
>know.

Less talking, more drinking, boy...


Mike Broadwater
Member of the Blackhand, White Wolf's Official Demo Team
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon/
Message no. 11
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:57:12 +0100
And verily, did Nexx hastily scribble thusly...
|
|...by my watch, I am now 21 years old. Just thought y'all should
|know.

That's the Legal drinking age over there, isn't it?
Of course, by that time, I'd been legally drinking for 3 years...
:)
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Message no. 12
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:59:01 +0100
And verily, did Robert Watkins hastily scribble thusly...
|Happy birthday, Nexx. (And isn't legal drinking age 18 in the States, just
|like here?)

Nahhh, the USA is one of those wild and wacky places where they can't make
up their mind from one state to the next.

In some, it's 18. In some it's 21.
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| | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit |
| Andrew Halliwell | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit |
| Finalist in:- |microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that|
| Computer Science | can't stand 1 bit of competition. |
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Message no. 13
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:00:49 +0100
And verily, did Patrick Goodman hastily scribble thusly...
|Nope. It used to be, but it went up about a decade ago. Is now 21 in all
|50 States.
|

<Nelson>

HA HAAA!

</Nelson>

Isn't it ironic. You can vote, die for your country, own a gun and drive a
car, but you can't drink till your 21....
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| | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit |
| Andrew Halliwell | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit |
| Finalist in:- |microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that|
| Computer Science | can't stand 1 bit of competition. |
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Message no. 14
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:02:18 +0100
And verily, did Michael Coleman hastily scribble thusly...
|They also let you join the armed force before you can drink. So you can
|kill or be killed before you can have a beer. Even though I understand they
|let soldiers drink on base at eighteen overseas.

That's probably because in all sensible countries, 18 IS the legal drinking
age.
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| | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit |
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| Finalist in:- |microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that|
| Computer Science | can't stand 1 bit of competition. |
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Message no. 15
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:38:47 -0400
On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Robert Watkins wrote:

->Patrick Goodman writes:
->> Nexx writes:
->> >...by my watch, I am now 21 years old. Just thought y'all should
->> >know.
->>
->> Happy Birthday, Mark. Welcome to legal drinking age...just give someone
->> else the keys, okay?
->
->He doesn't have a car, Patrick... :)
->
->Happy birthday, Nexx. (And isn't legal drinking age 18 in the States, just
->like here?)

Not in most (if not all) states here in the US.

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Message no. 16
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:39:34 -0400
On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Ratinac, Rand (NSW) wrote:

->> >...by my watch, I am now 21 years old. Just thought y'all should
->> >know.
->>
->> Happy Birthday, Mark. Welcome to legal drinking age...just give
->> someone
->> else the keys, okay?
->>
->> Patrick
->>
->That's what I don't get about you Yanks (even though I am one,
->technically). They let you start driving before they let you start
->drinking. Seems to me that's just a bit backwards. I'd rather run into a
->drunk pedestrian than a young driver. :)

I'd rather avoid both, tends to bend up my fender..... ]:-)

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Message no. 17
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:40:22 -0400
On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Ratinac, Rand (NSW) wrote:

->> > That's what I don't get about you Yanks (even though I am one,
->> > technically). They let you start driving before they let you start
->> > drinking. Seems to me that's just a bit backwards. I'd rather run
->> into a
->> > drunk pedestrian than a young driver. :)
->> >
->> > Doc'
->> >
->> They also let you join the armed force before you can drink. So you
->> can
->> kill or be killed before you can have a beer. Even though I
->> understand they
->> let soldiers drink on base at eighteen overseas.
->>
->> Mike
->>
->Now that's an easy one. It's because you have to be drunk to stay in the
->army.

Or be drunk to sign up in the first place...... ]:-)

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Message no. 18
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:30:25 -0500
>|(And isn't legal drinking age 18 in the States, just like here?)
>
>Nahhh, the USA is one of those wild and wacky places where they can't make
>up their mind from one state to the next.
>
>In some, it's 18. In some it's 21.

Not anytime recently. It's 21 in all 50 states, and has been for something
like a decade.

That used to be the situation about 15 years ago (some states 18, some 19,
some 21); before that, it was pretty uniformly 18 nationwide.

Patrick
Message no. 19
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:02:55 EDT
In a message dated 9/14/1998 12:21:38 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
robert.watkins@******.COM writes:

> >
> > Happy Birthday, Mark. Welcome to legal drinking age...just give someone
> > else the keys, okay?
>
> He doesn't have a car, Patrick... :)
>
> Happy birthday, Nexx. (And isn't legal drinking age 18 in the States, just
> like here?)
>
Of course not, are you nuts??? 18 year olds with the responsibility of
drinking, driving, drafting, and shafting (long story)??? I don't think so..
:P

But again, Mark, Happy B'Day...

-K
Message no. 20
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:01:42 +0200
According to Spike, at 12:02 on 14 Sep 98, the word on the street was...

> That's probably because in all sensible countries, 18 IS the legal drinking
> age.

You mean 16, don't you? :)

<GridSec>
But with that said, this thread should probably end right now before we
get a whole thread involving what makes a country sensible and why
drinking ages are what they are.
</GridSec>

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Message no. 21
From: Mongoose <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:57:02 -0700
:>|(And isn't legal drinking age 18 in the States, just like here?)

<snip>
:That used to be the situation about 15 years ago (some states 18, some
19,
:some 21); before that, it was pretty uniformly 18 nationwide.
:

I believe Louisiana changed over just very recently (was 18 for a long
time). They were willing to make do without federal highway funds because
a lower drinking age was part of their culture, supported by voters, and
good for tourism. Acsess to those highway funds are the only stricture
placed on state regulation of drinking age.
Also, City liquor licensing has a big impact on who can go into a bar;
in Detroit, my home town, I could go to bars (and bartend!) when I was 18.
I couldn't drink, but most bars that had bands playing had handstamps for
>21 and <21. ["Hot" Vs "Cool" or "Past due" Vs
"paid" were common]. Or
they had non-removable bracelets for the 21+ crowd. Chicago does not
allow bars to have persons under 21 in attendance or as liquor handling
employees, period.

OB Shadowrun; would the drinking age be lower for trolls, due to their
faster physical maturation (and higher tolerance for liquor)? Would it
matter? How do the SINless get booze (no way to prove age)?

Mongoose
Message no. 22
From: Michael vanHulst <Schizi@***.COM>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:41:36 EDT
In a message dated 9/14/98 3:58:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK writes:

> And verily, did Nexx hastily scribble thusly...
> |
> |...by my watch, I am now 21 years old. Just thought y'all should
> |know.
>
> That's the Legal drinking age over there, isn't it?
> Of course, by that time, I'd been legally drinking for 3 years...
> :)
It is also handgun age, all you UKers :-) and Aussies can get is what a .22
now?
Message no. 23
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:51:28 +1000
> It is also handgun age, all you UKers :-) and Aussies can get is
> what a .22
> now?

Hey, I thought handgun age in the States was 6, same as school age... :)

(There haven't been any cases of kindy kids shooting each other yet, I hope)

--
.sig deleted to conserve electrons. robert.watkins@******.com
Message no. 24
From: Michael vanHulst <Schizi@***.COM>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:50:49 EDT
In a message dated 9/14/98 5:55:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
robert.watkins@******.COM writes:

> Hey, I thought handgun age in the States was 6, same as school age... :)
>
> (There haven't been any cases of kindy kids shooting each other yet, I
hope)
>
actually those law-breakers were anomlies,
knife age is 6, they should have stolen knives, but they ignored the rules.
Message no. 25
From: John Vots <jvots@**.KO.COM>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:43:19 -0400
>Hey, I thought handgun age in the States was 6, same as school age... :)

>(There haven't been any cases of kindy kids shooting each other yet, I
hope)


Well, there was the 4 or 5 year old who got his parents handgun and shot
his 2-3 yar old sibling and a similar situation where the 5-6 year
old shot asimilarly aged playmate. Of course these were accidental
shootings as in both cases the children involved thought the guns
were toys.



John (formerly Jester but aquiescing to the guy who actually got it as his
addy)
Message no. 26
From: Jonathan Hurley <jhurley1@************.EDU>
Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:53:13 -0400
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shadowrun Discussion [mailto:SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET]On
> Behalf Of Patrick Goodman
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 1998 10:30
> To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
> Subject: Re: OT: Officially...
>
>
> >|(And isn't legal drinking age 18 in the States, just like here?)
> >
> >Nahhh, the USA is one of those wild and wacky places where they
> can't make
> >up their mind from one state to the next.
> >
> >In some, it's 18. In some it's 21.
>
> Not anytime recently. It's 21 in all 50 states, and has been for
> something
> like a decade.
>
> That used to be the situation about 15 years ago (some states 18, some 19,
> some 21); before that, it was pretty uniformly 18 nationwide.

The Federal govt wasn't interfering in internal state affairs, they just
decided that they wouldn't give highway money to states with a legal
drinking age of 18. (same reason why the speed limit was uniformly dropped
to 55 about the same time. They're considering using that mechanism to raise
the legal driving age IIRC...)

(We didn't need a tenth amendment anyway...)

Ian Silvercat claims the above in the name of himself!
--------------
Those who would give up a little freedom for security
deserve neither freedom nor security - Benjamin Franklin
That which does not exist has never been named - Mirumoto Nohito
Jonathan Hurley (mailto:jhurley1@************.edu)
Homepage : http://attila.stevens-tech.edu/~jhurley1

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