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Message no. 1
From: derek@***************.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: [OT] Re: Sniper rifles (Was: Re: The new SR4 map
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:27:57 -0500
> > The longest shot that I am aware of was
> > done at just under
> > 2500 meters with a .50 BMG M-2 machine gun. The shot
> > was taken by
> > Carlos Hathcock back in the Vietnam War. The weapon
> > used was a .50 BMG
> > M-2 belt fed machine gun set to single shot. It had
> > an Unertl 8x scope
> > and was zeroed in by adjusting fire until it
> > intersected the target.

Close, but not quite, it was 2500 yards, which is in the neighborhood of
2200-2300 meters, and it wasn't an 8x, but rather a 10x scope, the Canadian
snipers were using a McMillan .50 Sniper rifle with most likely a
leupold(sp?) 16x scope and match grade ammo, both shots are fully
impressive, however, the marine in nam's shot is more difficult, firing a
full auto machinegun in a manner which causes it to fire like a sniper rifle
is a challenge in itself and attaching a scope that's not meant to fit it,
and then using it to try to snipe with it....very much a world class shot.

Canadian snipers.....well....they deserve all the awards they're going to
get for their shots and then some. That's all I can say on that one.
Message no. 2
From: grimjack@******.com (Martin Little)
Subject: [OT] Re: Sniper rifles (Was: Re: The new SR4 map
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:47:05 -0400 (EDT)
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Derek Hyde wrote:

> > > The longest shot that I am aware of was
> > > done at just under
> > > 2500 meters with a .50 BMG M-2 machine gun. The shot
> > > was taken by
> > > Carlos Hathcock back in the Vietnam War. The weapon
> > > used was a .50 BMG
> > > M-2 belt fed machine gun set to single shot. It had
> > > an Unertl 8x scope
> > > and was zeroed in by adjusting fire until it
> > > intersected the target.
>
> Close, but not quite, it was 2500 yards, which is in the neighborhood of
> 2200-2300 meters, and it wasn't an 8x, but rather a 10x scope, the Canadian
> snipers were using a McMillan .50 Sniper rifle with most likely a
> leupold(sp?) 16x scope and match grade ammo, both shots are fully
> impressive, however, the marine in nam's shot is more difficult, firing a
> full auto machinegun in a manner which causes it to fire like a sniper rifle
> is a challenge in itself and attaching a scope that's not meant to fit it,
> and then using it to try to snipe with it....very much a world class shot.

If you've ever read Hathcock's description of this shot you'll know that
the teenager he shot happened to be moving right beside the object (I
think it was a tree stump but it's been some years since I read the
book) he sighted the gun in on which is what he credits to making the shot.

As to firing the machine gun, if you ever get a chance to examine the
firing mechanism of a browning 50 you'll see that it's designed to fire
either single shot or automatic. A great weapon, as long as you don't
actually have to carry it anywhere :)
Message no. 3
From: derek@***************.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: [OT] Re: Sniper rifles (Was: Re: The new SR4 map
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:20:14 -0500
.
>
> If you've ever read Hathcock's description of this shot you'll know that
> the teenager he shot happened to be moving right beside the object (I
> think it was a tree stump but it's been some years since I read the
> book) he sighted the gun in on which is what he credits to making the shot.
>
> As to firing the machine gun, if you ever get a chance to examine the
> firing mechanism of a browning 50 you'll see that it's designed to fire
> either single shot or automatic. A great weapon, as long as you don't
> actually have to carry it anywhere :)

I've had the misfortune of being around that gun.....and semi or full auto
either way.....it still sucks to be the one in charge of cleaning and
maintaining it ;)

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