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Message no. 1
From: Simon Fuller sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: [OT] SSN for other countries
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:31:04 +1100
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Tomasso <rtomasso@*******.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Friday, March 10, 2000 2:47 AM
Subject: [OT] SSN for other countries


>What do other countries have like the USA's Social Security Numbers?
>Or something similar that serves as a universal ID number?
>
>
Australia has a Tax File Number. You are not obliged to let ANYONE know what
your Tax File Number is, and you are in fact encouraged to keep it a secret
because people who know it can use it to get into your files.

Of course, if you do not let your employer, and the tax department in july,
know about it, you will be taxed at the highest possible bracket. As the
Australian employment situation is now set up so that it is far more
beneficial to employ casual staff that have none of the rights of actual
employees, after a few years you can end up telling dozens of people your
Tax File Number. What they do with your confidential information is mostly
their business.

Tax File Numbers are beginning to be used in situations other than
employment, because everybody can only have one, and it is unique.

I also would like to know why you want to know.
Message no. 2
From: Richard Tomasso rtomasso@*******.com
Subject: [OT] SSN for other countries
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:46:16 -0500 (EST)
What do other countries have like the USA's Social Security Numbers?
Or something similar that serves as a universal ID number?
Message no. 3
From: Peter Steen Kristiansen sds@**.auc.dk
Subject: [OT] SSN for other countries
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:40:19 +0100 (MET)
On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Richard Tomasso wrote:

> What do other countries have like the USA's Social Security Numbers?
> Or something similar that serves as a universal ID number?
>
Here in Denmark we have the CPR-number

The form is rather simple.
The CPR-number consists of two parts.
XXXXXX-XXXX

The first part (XXXXXX) is the date of birth.
E.g. if you are born on January 23 1977 this would be
230177 (day-month-year).

The last part (XXXX) is AFAIK partially calculated/derived from your
brithdate. But I have only heard unsubstantiated rumors about this.
The only thing I can say for sure is that the last digit is dependent upon
your gender. Even : female, Odd : Male

So to continue the above example:
230177-1835
IS a valid (to my knowledge) CPR-number for a male person.

Quick statement : This is not my birthdate, so no need to try getting
further info about me on this account O;-). The CPR-number is constructed,
I have no knowledge if it is a real one.

CPR:
Danish : Central Person Registret
English: Central Person Registry (or something like that)

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Message no. 4
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: [OT] SSN for other countries
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:10:24 +0100
According to Richard Tomasso, at 10:46 on 9 Mar 00, the word on the street
was...

> What do other countries have like the USA's Social Security Numbers?
> Or something similar that serves as a universal ID number?

Going by the subject, I thought you were asking about submarines :)

Here in the Netherlands everyone has a SoFi (Social-Fiscal) number of a
whole bunch of digits (too many to remember easily, especially because I
certainly never use it for anything). It's mainly used for work-related
matters, I believe, although these days IIRC it also appears on passports
and other IDs.

Why do you ask?

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Message no. 5
From: Daniel Duque dduque@******.net.ve
Subject: [OT] SSN for other countries
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:51:10 -0600
----- Mensaje original -----
De: "Richard Tomasso" <rtomasso@*******.com>
Para: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Enviado: Jueves, 09 de Marzo de 2000 09:46 a.m.
Asunto: [OT] SSN for other countries


> What do other countries have like the USA's Social Security Numbers?
> Or something similar that serves as a universal ID number?
>

Here in Venezuela each citizen has an ID of his own called "Cédula de
Identidad" sort of like identity credential or something like that, wich is
represented by a number and your basic personal information (birthplace,
age, city of residence, etc.) mine is 15.088.835 btw.


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Message no. 6
From: Spike spike1@******
Subject: [OT] SSN for other countries
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 19:41:54 +0000 (GMT)
> On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Richard Tomasso wrote:
>
> > What do other countries have like the USA's Social Security Numbers?
> > Or something similar that serves as a universal ID number?
> >
> Here in Denmark we have the CPR-number

In Britain we have the "National Insurance" number.

> The form is rather simple.
> The CPR-number consists of two parts.
> XXXXXX-XXXX
>
> The first part (XXXXXX) is the date of birth.
> E.g. if you are born on January 23 1977 this would be
> 230177 (day-month-year).

Ours is more complex. Mine, for example, is NP 08 39 94 B.
I think the letters at the beginning are a sort of "year code".

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Message no. 7
From: Dvixen dvixen@****.com
Subject: [OT] SSN for other countries
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 14:21:26 -0800
At Richard Tomasso, 10:46 AM 09/03/00 wrote:
>What do other countries have like the USA's Social Security Numbers?
>Or something similar that serves as a universal ID number?

Canada has ###-###-### (Social Insurance Number - Can't work legally in
Canada with out one) First digit is province, then the rest are whatever.
(Silly thing makes no sense to me. ;)

Italy has a Taxation ID. It is as follows (Thanks Paolo!) : first three
consonants of your last name, first three consonants of your first name,
(and if you run out of consonants, start at the begginning again, and use
the vowels this time around) last two digits of your birth year, a letter
for the month and the 2 digit day (+40 if you are a woman). Then a letter
and 3 digits that represents the province of birth and a checksum letter at
the end.

SSSFFF##M##C###X
MRCPLA62H24L424F <=Any guesses whose this is? ;)

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Message no. 8
From: R. Clay Stewart clay.stewart@*******.com
Subject: [OT] SSN for other countries
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:42:22 -0600
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shadowrn-admin@*********.com
> [mailto:shadowrn-admin@*********.com]On Behalf Of Dvixen
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 4:21 PM
> To: shadowrn@*********.com
> Subject: Re: [OT] SSN for other countries

> Italy has a Taxation ID. It is as follows (Thanks Paolo!) : first three
> consonants of your last name, first three consonants of your first name,
> (and if you run out of consonants, start at the begginning again, and use
> the vowels this time around) last two digits of your birth year, a letter
> for the month and the 2 digit day (+40 if you are a woman). Then a letter
> and 3 digits that represents the province of birth and a checksum
> letter at
> the end.
>
> SSSFFF##M##C###X
> MRCPLA62H24L424F <=Any guesses whose this is? ;)
>

Marco Polo sprang to mind, but wrong date.
Message no. 9
From: Allen Versfeld moe@*******.com
Subject: [OT] SSN for other countries
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:42:25 +0200
Richard Tomasso wrote:
>
> What do other countries have like the USA's Social Security Numbers?
> Or something similar that serves as a universal ID number?

South Africa has an Identity Number. In the Old apartheid days, it was
structured as follows: 6 digits representing the date of birth, 4
random digits, 2 digits denoting race and gender, and a checksum digit.
These days, however, the scheme has changed, at least with regard to the
last 3 digits. So, my ID number is 770510-5094-087, although it used to
be 770510-5094-01*something*, with the 01 representing Male White.

Enough info?
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Message no. 10
From: Andrew Norman andrew_norman@******.com
Subject: [OT] SSN for other countries
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:26:32 +0000
Richard Tomasso wrote:
>
> What do other countries have like the USA's Social Security Numbers?
> Or something similar that serves as a universal ID number?

In New Zealand the closest thing would be the IRD (Inland Revenue
Department)
number. This is basically a number used to track tax, you also could get
a
social security number if you claim the benefit.

I think I use to have about 4 different numbers tracking my life before
I
left NZ.

-Andrew

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Message no. 11
From: Annachie Gordon annachie_g@*******.com
Subject: [OT] SSN for other countries
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:54:38 EST
I don't believe our Tax File number quite count's for the US' SSN, as it's
only real use is for taxation purposes. But it did come close.

I don't know if you are old enough to remember, but a few years ago they
came up with an 'Australia Card', which had a unique number, and was to be
used for everything. But it failed to get through parliment, mostly because
of a flaw in the writing of it.

(The Gov't of the day could have used a constitutional legal trick to ram it
through the lower house where they didn't have a majority, but they needed
the lower house to pass a second act to enact it, and they couldn't use the
trick twice)

I think they then came up with the Tax File number

Paul.

>From: "Simon Fuller" <sfuller@******.com.au>
>Reply-To: shadowrn@*********.com
>To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
>Subject: Re: [OT] SSN for other countries
>Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:31:04 +1100
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard Tomasso <rtomasso@*******.com>
>To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
>Date: Friday, March 10, 2000 2:47 AM
>Subject: [OT] SSN for other countries
>
>
> >What do other countries have like the USA's Social Security Numbers?
> >Or something similar that serves as a universal ID number?
> >
> >
>Australia has a Tax File Number. You are not obliged to let ANYONE know
>what
>your Tax File Number is, and you are in fact encouraged to keep it a secret
>because people who know it can use it to get into your files.
>
>Of course, if you do not let your employer, and the tax department in july,
>know about it, you will be taxed at the highest possible bracket. As the
>Australian employment situation is now set up so that it is far more
>beneficial to employ casual staff that have none of the rights of actual
>employees, after a few years you can end up telling dozens of people your
>Tax File Number. What they do with your confidential information is mostly
>their business.
>
>Tax File Numbers are beginning to be used in situations other than
>employment, because everybody can only have one, and it is unique.
>
>I also would like to know why you want to know.
>
>
>

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Message no. 12
From: Peter Steen Kristiansen sds@**.auc.dk
Subject: [OT] SSN for other countries
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:14:49 +0100 (MET)
Oh.. I forgot something.

Every dane born will get a CPR-number pr. default. And you are only
required to tell it to the different public offices. Nobody else has any
right to ask you for your CPR-number.

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ri++ mc-- rk? m- gm M+ P
Message no. 13
From: Guru gburus@***.univ.szczecin.pl
Subject: [OT] SSN for other countries
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:29:06 +0100 (MET)
Hello,
In Poland where I live, we do have assigned a PESEL number. It consists
of 11 digit number in XXXXXXXXXXX format, where the first 6 digits are
your birthdate. I.e. someone born 23 March 1987 will get first 6 digits
as follows: 870323 and the remaining 5 ones stand for I don't know what,
but suspect this is assigned just for differentiate between persons born
the same day. Don't quote me on it.

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Message no. 14
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: [OT] SSN for other countries
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:05:03 +0100
According to R. Clay Stewart, at 16:42 on 9 Mar 00, the word on the street
was...

> > SSSFFF##M##C###X
> > MRCPLA62H24L424F <=Any guesses whose this is? ;)
>
> Marco Polo sprang to mind, but wrong date.

You haven't been on the list long enough, I guess... Hint: go to the
Shadowrun Archive and try to find the names of the people who maintain
that site :)

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Message no. 15
From: . s t e f a n stefan@*****.org
Subject: [OT] SSN for other countries
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 02:55:07 +0100
> > What do other countries have like the USA's Social Security Numbers?
> > Or something similar that serves as a universal ID number?
> >
>Here in Denmark we have the CPR-number

We got the same in Sweden. Works the same, looks the same.

.stefan


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