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Message no. 1
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: [OT] Star Trek Voyager Spoilers
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 15:44:24 -0400
OK, this has to do with the season primiere of ST Voyager, so no peeking if
you don;t want to see what happens...


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Ok...

Well... The season priemere was a 2 hour episode featuring the Finale from
last season and the second part which was the premiere. A Female Borg is
assigned to work with Voyager to develope Nanoprobes capable of destroying
the aliens that were thrashing the borg. The aliens had an immune system
that enabled them to destroy the Borg nano-thingies taht assimilated stuff,
so the Borg were unable to deal with them, because without assimilation,
the Borg can't learn.

Anyways, they nuke a couple dozen of teh alien ships, and they go home, but
only after they destroyed a LOT of borg and borg planets. At one point
they just non-chalantly say that 8 Borg Planets, 32 Cubes, and 8 Million+
Borg have been destroyed. Yeah! :]

Well, the female Borg, in the end, makes an attempt to take over voyager
and "assimilate" it, but the crew manages to sever the Borg's link to the
Borg Collective.

Guess what?

Voyager now has a new crew member... PLus, according to the "preview" for
next weeks episode, someone else is leaving the crew... So that could be
interesting...:]

Now, I know neither of these lists is for ST (I'm not even all that fond of
ST), but this was just pretty damned cool and I wanted to share this info...;]

Take it easy...

Bull
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Message no. 2
From: Jaymz <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: [OT] Star Trek Voyager Spoilers
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 14:46:55 -0500
At 03:44 PM 9/4/97 -0400, Bull wrote:
#OK, this has to do with the season primiere of ST Voyager, so no peeking if
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#Voyager now has a new crew member... PLus, according to the "preview" for
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#interesting...:]

It's either Kess of Harry that is leaving.

Harry is a drunk IRL, and Kess is useless, according to Brannon Braga


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Message no. 3
From: Dust <rogan@*******.BERGEN.ORG>
Subject: Re: [OT] Star Trek Voyager Spoilers
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:07:19 -0400
On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Bull wrote:

> OK, this has to do with the season primiere of ST Voyager, so no peeking if
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> Well... The season priemere was a 2 hour episode featuring the Finale from
> last season and the second part which was the premiere. A Female Borg is
> assigned to work with Voyager to develope Nanoprobes capable of destroying
> the aliens that were thrashing the borg. The aliens had an immune system
> that enabled them to destroy the Borg nano-thingies taht assimilated stuff,
> so the Borg were unable to deal with them, because without assimilation,
> the Borg can't learn.
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> Anyways, they nuke a couple dozen of teh alien ships, and they go home, but
> only after they destroyed a LOT of borg and borg planets. At one point
> they just non-chalantly say that 8 Borg Planets, 32 Cubes, and 8 Million+
> Borg have been destroyed. Yeah! :]
>
> Well, the female Borg, in the end, makes an attempt to take over voyager
> and "assimilate" it, but the crew manages to sever the Borg's link to the
> Borg Collective.
>
> Guess what?
>
> Voyager now has a new crew member... PLus, according to the "preview" for
> next weeks episode, someone else is leaving the crew... So that could be
> interesting...:]

I hear its Kess. I'd really love to see Neelix go though. He
really doesn't have any point of being on the ship. Kind of hope Kess
isn't.

Dust
Message no. 4
From: "Joshua M. Kanapkey" <Wakabout@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Star Trek Voyager Spoilers
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:12:28 -0400
STAR TREK VOYAGER SPOILERS


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Justin Bell says:
<< It's either Kess of Harry that is leaving.>>

I'd have to agree. My guess was Kess, primarily because I don't remember
seeing her name in the credits, while I did see Garrett Wang (Harry) listed.
Plus, they could have simply let Harry die from the virus of Species 8742
(??). Much easier than this "Oh, btw, I'm leaving ya'll after all this crap
we've been through together." Didn't they try that with Tom last season, but
it was a ploy to draw the bad guys out?

I'm sure it's not Tom, because of all the characters, his has had the
greatest amount of growth. Plus, Tom and Belana seem to be getting better.
Personally, I'd like to see Neelix go. I just don't like the guy(the
character, not the actor).

BTW, are you serious about Garrett Wang being an alcoholic? Damn. I kinda
like Harry, too. How'd you find out about this? Please tell, in private if
necessary.

All in all, I did like the season premiere, though I thought it was a bit
simple. They could have easily extended it to a third episode and kept up the
level of suspense. That is my only real problem with Voyager. They always
seem to do something similar to the BIG problems. Too easy.

Now DS9's season premiere should be AWESOME! That finale was too damned cool!
Can't wait.

T'anks and Adieu,
Wakabout {{@***.com}}
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Message no. 5
From: George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Star Trek Voyager Spoilers
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:15:07 -0400
In a message dated 97-09-04 15:57:35 EDT, you write:

ST:Voyuer Spoilers.... =)

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> #Voyager now has a new crew member... PLus, according to the "preview" for
> #next weeks episode, someone else is leaving the crew... So that could be
> #interesting...:]
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> Harry is a drunk IRL, and Kess is useless, according to Brannon Braga

Don't know about Harry, but Kess is off the show. The actress want's out, so
she'll be the one
Message no. 6
From: Duncan McNeill-Burton <dmcneill@************.EDU>
Subject: Re: [OT] Star Trek Voyager Spoilers
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:59:03 -0400
justin didst proclaim:
>At 03:44 PM 9/4/97 -0400, Bull wrote:
>#OK, this has to do with the season primiere of ST Voyager, so no peeking
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>#you don;t want to see what happens...
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>#Voyager now has a new crew member... PLus, according to the "preview" for
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>#interesting...:]
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>It's either Kess of Harry that is leaving.
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>Harry is a drunk IRL, and Kess is useless, according to Brannon Braga
>

It's going to be Kess...call it a hunch. She's only got another year or two
to live anyhow.

Later-

Duncan McNeill-Burton
-Berek Thunderfist, Wolf Lord of the Blackmane Company
-Freelance Corporate Espionage Agent
-Tech Priest in Training
http://attila.stevens-tech.edu/~dmcneill
Message no. 7
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Star Trek Voyager Spoilers
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:58:59 -0400
In a message dated 97-09-04 17:08:25 EDT, you write:

<< justin didst proclaim:
>At 03:44 PM 9/4/97 -0400, Bull wrote:
>#OK, this has to do with the season primiere of ST Voyager, so no peeking
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>#Voyager now has a new crew member... PLus, according to the "preview" for
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>#interesting...:]
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>It's either Kess of Harry that is leaving.
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>Harry is a drunk IRL, and Kess is useless, according to Brannon Braga
>

It's going to be Kess...call it a hunch. She's only got another year or two
to live anyhow. >>

Since the Actress who plays kess has been causing a lot of problems, I have
the feeling that she is going.

-Bandit
Message no. 8
From: Skye Comstock <bilbo@****.NWLINK.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Star Trek Voyager Spoilers
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:01:24 -0800
>STAR TREK VOYAGER SPOILERS
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>All in all, I did like the season premiere, though I thought it was a bit
>simple. They could have easily extended it to a third episode and kept up the
>level of suspense. That is my only real problem with Voyager. They always
>seem to do something similar to the BIG problems. Too easy.

I loved the episode, myself. Expecially the part with the nasty ass
aliens from the matter plane. (That's the astral plane...yeah<g>)

I thought it sucked how they just kind of blew off the borg and
8472 or whatever. "Oh, we're humans, we're spiffy, so we're going
to kill you." Even thought the Borg had assimilated damn near
everyone in their realm and the bad-ass 8472 were cooler. ;)

-Skye
Message no. 9
From: Justin Pinnow <vanyel@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: [OT] Star Trek Voyager Spoilers
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 19:41:11 -0400
While I, too, enjoy Star Trek, I must say that this is a Shadowrun Mailing
List. This list is NOT for discussing the weather, our favorite shows, or
the music we listen to - it's here to discuss Shadowrun.

There are plenty of other mailing lists and newsgroups out there you can
join if you feel the desire to express yourself on those issues.

Some people pay by the message for their e-mail accounts, and don't really
need to fork over money for something they don't have any interest in
discussing. I, for one, subscribed to this mailing list to discuss
Shadowrun. However, on several occasions, the off topic posts have
equalled or outnumbered the on topic posts. That's just plain pitiful.

Take it to a chat room if you must, but please don't clutter my e-mail box
with all this off topic stuff. It's just like being spammed by an e-mail
solicitation. And as we all know, that's downright annoying.

Thanks,

Justin
Message no. 10
From: James Lindsay <jlindsay@******.CA>
Subject: Re: [OT] Star Trek Voyager Spoilers
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:43:05 GMT
On Thu, 4 Sep 1997 15:44:24 -0400, Bull wrote:

> OK, this has to do with the season primiere of ST Voyager, so no peeking if
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> Well, the female Borg, in the end, makes an attempt to take over voyager
> and "assimilate" it, but the crew manages to sever the Borg's link to the
> Borg Collective.
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> Guess what?

What?

> Voyager now has a new crew member... PLus, according to the "preview" for
> next weeks episode, someone else is leaving the crew... So that could be
> interesting...:]

If you were watching the opening credits, you would have noticed
Jennifer Lien's (Kes) name missing and some one new (I forgot) listed
as "7 of 9". Jennifer was listed as "Also Starring" immediately after
the first commercial break, however. I hate when they do this since
it tends to give things away before the show has even started.

I also heard about it about two months ago so I kinda saw it coming.
Claudia Christian from B5 is also leaving as of the beginning of
Season 5. And Mulder ain't dead-- I don't care *what* people say :)

> Now, I know neither of these lists is for ST (I'm not even all that fond of
> ST), but this was just pretty damned cool and I wanted to share this info...;]

It was a very interesting episode. Obviously, ST learned a bit from
JMS' Babylon 5 and its-- now famous-- 5 year pre planned story line.
ST has been lacking continuity ever since half way through last season
(DS9 and Voyager).

I'm surprised you didn't mention two other things about the new cast
member-- apparently visual FX isn't the only industry relying on
silicone :P

James W. Lindsay Vancouver, British Columbia
"http://www.prosperoimaging.com/ground_zero";

"Give me the strength to change the things I can,
the grace to accept the things I cannot,
and a great big bag of money."
Message no. 11
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] Star Trek Voyager Spoilers
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 22:00:30 -0400
> OK, this has to do with the season primiere of ST Voyager, so no peeking if
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>It was a very interesting episode. Obviously, ST learned a bit from
>JMS' Babylon 5 and its-- now famous-- 5 year pre planned story line.
>ST has been lacking continuity ever since half way through last season
>(DS9 and Voyager).

As the the next generation was ending and the movies began, Berman was
approached by Michael Okuda. Okuda wrote the comprehensive Star Trek
Encylopedia, and offered to freely be the continuity consultant. Berman
essentially told him that the fans will buy anything Star Trek does, so why
bother with it.

It would be nice to see continuity on Trek, but lets face it. Trek has never
had it to begin with. Though B5 is much better, they too have made one or two
continuity errors.

-Bandit
Message no. 12
From: James Lindsay <jlindsay@******.CA>
Subject: Re: [OT] Star Trek Voyager Spoilers
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 05:28:59 GMT
On Thu, 4 Sep 1997 22:00:30 -0400, M. Sean Martinez wrote:

> > OK, this has to do with the season primiere of ST Voyager, so no peeking if
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> >ST has been lacking continuity ever since half way through last season
> >(DS9 and Voyager).

Oops! That should read "...lacking continuity up to about half way
through..."

> As the the next generation was ending and the movies began, Berman was
> approached by Michael Okuda. Okuda wrote the comprehensive Star Trek
> Encylopedia, and offered to freely be the continuity consultant. Berman
> essentially told him that the fans will buy anything Star Trek does, so why
> bother with it.
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> It would be nice to see continuity on Trek, but lets face it. Trek has never
> had it to begin with. Though B5 is much better, they too have made one or two
> continuity errors.

Little things have begun to link together from episode to episode in
both DS9 and Voyager, but nothing like B5 (things that happened at the
beginning of season #3 are being revisited right now). Most of B5's
inconsistencies came about during season #1 and early season #2, when
JMS let other writers write. Some patchwork had to be done when the
actress playing Talia Winters wanted out. As it stands, JMS holds the
current record for most consecutive screenplays (all of season #3 and
all of season #4 to date).

James W. Lindsay Vancouver, British Columbia
"http://www.prosperoimaging.com/ground_zero";

"Give me the strength to change the things I can,
the grace to accept the things I cannot,
and a great big bag of money."

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